Hilton slammed in Oslo for Cuba embargo

norm

Byrnzie wrote:

So the Florida Keys and Cancun aren't enough for ya? You fuckers would love to make the whole world your personal holiday resort wouldn't you?

We're coming here next.;):)

http://www.road-to-the-isles.org.uk/muck.html

El_Kabong

jlew24asu wrote:

who's fault is that? castro or america business?

how would it be castro's fault??? he's talking pre-castro, when we had our tenticles everywhere in cuba making all the money while they got scraps...and also when they used american tanks to run over it's civilians, which helped lead to the popular support for castro...

Byrnzie

jeffbr wrote:

Right, because our standard of living is awful compared to what they enjoy in that workers' paradise. Things are so pure there, it would be horrible if we were to go in there and offer them products, services, choices, jobs, infrastructure, industry.

Never mind 'going in there'. How about just lifting the illegal embargo?

Byrnzie

cutback wrote:

We're coming here next.;):)

http://www.road-to-the-isles.org.uk/muck.html

For a bit of sheep shagging?

Byrnzie

jlew24asu wrote:

what the fuck are you talking about? rape cuba?

heres an example. castro dies and teh have free elections and proclaim america a freind, embargo is dropped (which I am all in favor of), I travel down there for a week long vacation and spend a few thousand bucks. I stay in a american hotel that employs 500 cubans. I could go on but I sure hope you get my point.

Free elections? What, like in Palestine, or Iraq? You mean elections that must favour a pro-American leaning businessman who will sell his country down the crapper. And if the elections don't go America's way then you'll finance and promote a coup, assasinate the democratically elected leader, or just bomb the shit out of the place.

El_Kabong

Byrnzie wrote:

Never mind 'going in there'. How about just lifting the illegal embargo?

isn't it funny? we bribe the oas to take part in the embargo, meaning virtually no one could trade w/ them...so who else was left but russia?

and as someone pointed out about the cuban missile crisis, yeah, weren't we dropping bombs in cuba before that and training insurgents to attack cuba? what about the bay of pigs?

so why is cuba bad? b/c their commies? who's our biggest trading partner, again?

El_Kabong

Byrnzie wrote:

Free elections? What, like in Palestine, or Iraq? You mean elections that must favour a pro-American leaning businessman who will sell his country down the crapper. And if the elections don't go America's way then you'll finace and promote a coup, assasinate the democratically elected leader, or just bomb the shit out of the place.

well yeah, duuuuuuh

Byrnzie

jlew24asu wrote:

if the embargo is dropped do you have any idea how much money, american money, would flow in? billions. tripling the size of the small poor cuban economy. and you, an uneducated, economically challenged thinker, to tell me that wont be good for cubans?

You make it sound as if the Cubans are imposing an embargo on themselves. What the f>{#L?: are you on about?

Byrnzie

El_Kabong wrote:

isn't it funny? we bribe the oas to take part in the embargo, meaning virtually no one could trade w/ them...so who else was left but russia?

and as someone pointed out about the cuban missile crisis, yeah, weren't we dropping bombs in cuba before that and training insurgents to attack cuba? what about the bay of pigs?

so why is cuba bad? b/c their commies? who's our biggest trading partner, again?

Check this out sometime: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultimate-Sacrifice-Thom-Hartmann/dp/184529338X/sr=1-1/qid=1168119667/ref=sr_1_1/202-8515862-6791850?ie=UTF8&s=books

jeffbr

Byrnzie wrote:

Never mind 'going in there'. How about just lifting the illegal embargo?

I'm all for lifting the embargo. I don't mean "going in there" in terms of the US Govt. I was simply talking about the embargo going away and trade opening up - companies going in there. MrBrian seemed to think we'd destroy the precious paradise they currently have if US corporations touched their sacred ground.

jlew24asu

Byrnzie wrote:

Free elections? What, like in Palestine, or Iraq?

no. cubans arent interested in the destruction of israel and west.

Byrnzie wrote:

You mean elections that must favour a pro-American leaning businessman who will sell his country down the crapper. And if the elections don't go America's way then you'll finace and promote a coup, assasinate the democratically elected leader, or just bomb the shit out of the place.

I would be in favor of whatever the cuban people decide. if that want another dictator and dont care to end the embargo, fine I'll spend my money elsewhere

jlew24asu

Byrnzie wrote:

You make it sound as if the Cubans are imposing an embargo on themselves. What the f>{#L?: are you on about?

as long as castro is alive the embargo wont go anywhere. i'm hoping his brother is open to being friends with america. fidel was/is not

jlew24asu

El_Kabong wrote:

how would it be castro's fault??? he's talking pre-castro, when we had our tenticles everywhere in cuba making all the money while they got scraps...and also when they used american tanks to run over it's civilians, which helped lead to the popular support for castro...

pre castro???? that would be 1958. america, american business, world economy, world politics, (I could go on) have all changed since then. alot. get over yourself

MrBrian

jeffbr wrote:

MrBrian seemed to think we'd destroy the precious paradise they currently have if US corporations touched their sacred ground.

That is just untrue, I never said that things were great right now, infact I even said that in one of my earlier posts.

I'm scared that America will fuck cuba like it does to all the other countries I listed.

Look at how much business american companies do with third world lands, my point is that they are not better off. also I even gave examples of the pre castro days and how american companies fucked the cuban people back then, just like they fuck the indians/pakistanis, south americans and asians right now.

Byrnzie

jlew24asu wrote:

I would be in favor of whatever the cuban people decide. if that want another dictator and dont care to end the embargo, fine I'll spend my money elsewhere

So you think that it's Cubans that are imposing an embargo on themselves, and not the U.S government?

MrBrian

jlew24asu wrote:

pre castro???? that would be 1958. america, american business, world economy, world politics, (I could go on) have all changed since then. alot. get over yourself

Then you know nothing about world politics, american business or world economy.

America is the same now as they were then. They still do the same things, they still back corrupts leaders, they still try to overthrow elected governments, american companies still screw with third world nations.

jlew24asu

MrBrian wrote:

I'm scared that America will fuck cuba like it does to all the other countries I listed.

you said america fucks other countries like china, pakistan, I forgot what others your said. but you didnt say HOW they fuck those countries.

MrBrian wrote:

Look at how much business american companies do with third world lands, my point is that they are not better off. also I even gave examples of the pre castro days and how american companies fucked the cuban people back then, just like they fuck the indians/pakistanis, south americans and asians right now.

HOW HOW HOW. examples.

India?? do you know how much aid we give them? or do you have any idea how many american jobs are now in India?

regardless. you cant compare other third world countries to Cuba. Cuba is 80!!! miles off the coast of america. ask the bahmas how much they like doing business with the US. why havnt we "fucked" them over like you say.

listen dude. you have potential to get your head out of your ass for a second. you make no sense whatsoever. its embarrassing.

El_Kabong

jlew24asu wrote:

pre castro???? that would be 1958. america, american business, world economy, world politics, (I could go on) have all changed since then. alot. get over yourself

whatever that means

yes, pre-castro...cuba's president used the tanks and weapons we sold them to kill cubans and repress them...this hasn't changed...we did it throughout the 80's and 90's creating, training, arming, funding death squads to keep the current us backed leader/dictator in place. we still do it, maybe not death squads but we arm militaries who in turn use the weapons on it's ppl when they try to actually practice democracy.

a for the economy...look at the countries we have our tenticles in, pretty much the same as we did in cuba...we exploit their land, their resources, their ppl...and the government lets it happen b/c we give them 'aid' and weapons.

get over myself? by replying in a thread? i don't understand

El_Kabong

jlew24asu wrote:

you said america fucks other countries like china, pakistan, I forgot what others your said. but you didnt say HOW they fuck those countries.






HOW HOW HOW. examples.

India?? do you know how much aid we give them? or do you have any idea how many american jobs are now in India?

regardless. you cant compare other third world countries to Cuba. Cuba is 80!!! miles off the coast of america. ask the bahmas how much they like doing business with the US. why havnt we "fucked" them over like you say.

listen dude. you have potential to get your head out of your ass for a second. you make no sense whatsoever. its embarrassing.

well, in india us companies privatize water so it's illegal to even collect rain water...that's just for starters...then there's how comapnies like coke have severely polluted the water system there and this is a country where some ppl wash their clothes in the river...

what does it matter how much 'aid' we give? it's just a bribe to keep things running the way they are supposed to ie; us companies profit. we give over a billion in 'aid' to colombia, yet their military has a loooot of rape cases against it....hmmm, raping while holding us weapons...but it's only saddam's rape's we need worry about, right? the aid is payment to keep letting us oil companies make the profits while the ppl whose land it is gets treated like shit, like peasants....

i think you need to get over yourself, dude, you act so hostile and dismissive to any point of view that contradicts your own.

MrBrian

jlew24asu wrote:

you said america fucks other countries like china, pakistan, I forgot what others your said. but you didnt say HOW they fuck those countries.






HOW HOW HOW. examples.

India?? do you know how much aid we give them? or do you have any idea how many american jobs are now in India?

regardless. you cant compare other third world countries to Cuba. Cuba is 80!!! miles off the coast of america. ask the bahmas how much they like doing business with the US. why havnt we "fucked" them over like you say.

listen dude. you have potential to get your head out of your ass for a second. you make no sense whatsoever. its embarrassing.

again, you seem so obsessed with proximity. So what if pakistan is whatever many miles away, the fact is american companies pay child workers 1 dollar an hour to make clothes, fair? I call that fucking with them. even our medical tools are maid by fucking kids. I also many times gave examples of american companies in cuba, one of the reasons for the revolution.

yes, bahams are doing well, but what makes you think the cubans will want cuba to turn into another fucking bahamas? let them decide their own fate.

china with it's huge amounts of human rights violations, bad eh? yet american companies spend billions in china which helps these things go on.

you want more examples?