Hilton slammed in Oslo for Cuba embargo

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    MrBrian wrote:
    I'm not saying that life in Cuba is great, far from it. But again, these problems are the problems for the cubans, not america. America should worry about themselves, stop screwing around with everyone one else.
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    how is america screwing with them? because we arent friends with a dictator who is sworn enemy of the US?

    MrBrian wrote:
    I love how america quickly get's all righteous when it fits them. dictator this, evil whatever that.

    we are righteous compared to dictators and evil doers. you dont agree? not surprised
  • sapperskunk
    sapperskunk Posts: 684
    I guess Norway has laws against those signs you see that say "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone under any circumstance".

    I guess it's just an American thing.
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  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    jlew24asu wrote:
    how is america screwing with them? because we arent friends with a dictator who is sworn enemy of the US?

    Have you read this thread? Through the embargo and numerous travel restrictions.

    There is nothing wrong with Americans or American corporations wanting to do business in Cuba. However, if it leads to Cuba once again selling out its economy and political affairs to the United States....it will just lead to another revolution. As it did in 1959.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    ever hear of a lil event called the cuban missile crisis. o yea, thats when cuban allowed russia to use its land to point nukes at the US.

    Don't preach to me about the history between the US and Cuba. My parents are from Cuba. The Cuban missle crisis was over 40 years ago. the Cold War ended of 20 years ago. I think it's time for the stupid embargo to be put to bed. Here's a big news falsh to the government, IT DIDN'T WORK. It didn't work in the 60's. It didn't work in the 70's, 80's, 90's and it's still not working in this decade.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    no but as long as castro is alive things wont change. jury is still out on his brother who appears to be the next dictator


    Not that I'm a Castro sympathizer but do you have any idea about US/Cuban relations. Do you know what happened during the Cuban revolution and why Castro turned to the Soviet Union?
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    mc donalds huh? typical. how about the hundreds of luxury resorts and million dollar condos. and thousands of americans vacationing there.

    american money would give your average cuba wealth they never could imagine


    Really. Did you know any Cuban who lived under the Batista regime? do you realize that the only difference between Castro and the previous Cuban dictators, because they where dictators, was that they bowed to US interest and the cost of their own people. Your average Cuban will not get dick squat if Cuba was under US influence. The only change in their life will be the ability to complain about their shitty lives.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    how is america screwing with them? because we arent friends with a dictator who is sworn enemy of the US?




    we are righteous compared to dictators and evil doers. you dont agree? not surprised

    Did you know that after the Spanish American War the US placed Cuba under a 20 year trustship. Roosevelt however voided the trustship and granted Cuba it's independence. However the US demanded that it be written in the Cuban constitution that the US has the right to interfere in Cuban affairs and has the power to oversee the countries finances and foreign relations. This was something that the majority of the Cuban popiulation was against but the US back president Tomás Estrada Palma backed. Cuba has never truely had it's independence because the US always had the right to intervene in it's affairs.

    Here is some more for you. Originally when Castro seized control the Eisenhower administration welcomed Batista's fall. It wasn't under the nationalization of US owned companies and many influencial Cubans with connection to D.C. did the US' view of Fidel sour. These Cuban exiles formed a power lobby group that weilded a lot of influence in Washington. During this time the US government didn't even consider Castro a Communist but they did realize that Che Guevera was a communist and he was drawing Castro closer to affiliating hmself with Cuban Communist. It's at this time that the US turned to hostilities toward Castro which caused him to run into the arms of the Communist and eventually the Soviet Union.

    So any hostilities between the two countries was initiated by the US not Cuba.
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  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    mammasan wrote:

    So any hostilities between the two countries was initiated by the US not Cuba.

    and United Fruit...
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    MrBrian wrote:
    and United Fruit...

    Yes you are correct.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    trappedinmyradio wrote:
    but, we're supposed to learn from the past...and remember the past...to shape the things we do today in 2007...oh, how handily the double standard is used

    Oh, oh. Me sorry. Coo-ba Evil. Ug ug, gooba gooba.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    Really. Did you know any Cuban who lived under the Batista regime? do you realize that the only difference between Castro and the previous Cuban dictators, because they where dictators, was that they bowed to US interest and the cost of their own people. Your average Cuban will not get dick squat if Cuba was under US influence. The only change in their life will be the ability to complain about their shitty lives.


    bullshit. if americans did business with cuba alot of cubans would be much better off financially.
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    jlew24asu wrote:
    bullshit. if americans did business with cuba alot of cubans would be much better off financially.

    Like they do in Pakistan,India,China,Vietnam,Indonesia,Nicaragua,Honduras and the rest of the third world....?
    Yeah, these countries are so much better off financially now that the great empire and her corporate masters do business with them.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    MrBrian wrote:
    Like they do in Pakistan,India,China,Vietnam,Indonesia,Nicaragua,Honduras and the rest of the third world....?
    Yeah, these countries are so much better off financially now that the great empire and her corporate masters do business with them.


    And just look at the wonders we've done for Mexico.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    MrBrian wrote:
    Like they do in Pakistan,India,China,Vietnam,Indonesia,Nicaragua,Honduras and the rest of the third world....?
    Yeah, these countries are so much better off financially now that the great empire and her corporate masters do business with them.


    cuba is 80 miles off the coast of america. and would be a top 3 vacation spot for many americans. o im sorry, I dont think you knew that. look at a map before you say such stupid things.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    And just look at the wonders we've done for Mexico.

    can you imagine what mexico would be like if we didnt do business with them? think about it
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    Don't preach to me about the history between the US and Cuba. My parents are from Cuba. The Cuban missle crisis was over 40 years ago. the Cold War ended of 20 years ago. I think it's time for the stupid embargo to be put to bed. Here's a big news falsh to the government, IT DIDN'T WORK. It didn't work in the 60's. It didn't work in the 70's, 80's, 90's and it's still not working in this decade.

    well guess who has been the president of cuba since the cuban missle crisis. o thats right, the same fucking guy. but you knew that, your parents are from cuba. my bad
  • flywallyfly
    flywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    Ask Fredo Corleone how things go in Cuba when Americans do business in Cuba. Go ahead, ask him. Oh, you cant ! He is dead in Lake Tahoe because of what happened in Cuba. Therefore it is fairly simple to surmise that capitalism + Cuba just doesnt work.
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    I love cubans. I hope they all go 3 for 4 and bat .275.
    Why go home

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  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    jlew24asu wrote:
    cuba is 80 miles off the coast of america. and would be a top 3 vacation spot for many americans. o im sorry, I dont think you knew that. look at a map before you say such stupid things.

    Hellooooo, the current discussion is about American companies doing business with third world countries, and how they aren't better off because of it.

    Nevertheless if you desire examples closer to home, what about Puerto Rico with 50% of it's population living under the poverty level? shit, let's get even closer and talk about half of the US states! Look at conditions within America first. close enough for yeah?

    Look at how your own people are living right here right now in the land of the free, get these companies to help them first.
  • flywallyfly
    flywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    MrBrian wrote:
    Hellooooo, the current discussion is about American companies doing business with third world countries, and how they aren't better off because of it.

    Nevertheless if you desire examples closer to home, what about Puerto Rico with 50% of it's population living under the poverty level? shit, let's get even closer and talk about half of the US states! Look at conditions within America first. close enough for yeah?

    Look at how your own people are living right here right now in the land of the free, get these companies to help them first.

    Companies are not going to help people out of the goodness of their hearts. They go where there is profit to be made regardless of the human factor. They will rape Cuba just like any other country they wish to plunder.

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