Really. Did you know any Cuban who lived under the Batista regime? do you realize that the only difference between Castro and the previous Cuban dictators, because they where dictators, was that they bowed to US interest and the cost of their own people. Your average Cuban will not get dick squat if Cuba was under US influence. The only change in their life will be the ability to complain about their shitty lives.
bullshit. if americans did business with cuba alot of cubans would be much better off financially.
bullshit. if americans did business with cuba alot of cubans would be much better off financially.
Like they do in Pakistan,India,China,Vietnam,Indonesia,Nicaragua,Honduras and the rest of the third world....?
Yeah, these countries are so much better off financially now that the great empire and her corporate masters do business with them.
Like they do in Pakistan,India,China,Vietnam,Indonesia,Nicaragua,Honduras and the rest of the third world....?
Yeah, these countries are so much better off financially now that the great empire and her corporate masters do business with them.
And just look at the wonders we've done for Mexico.
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Like they do in Pakistan,India,China,Vietnam,Indonesia,Nicaragua,Honduras and the rest of the third world....?
Yeah, these countries are so much better off financially now that the great empire and her corporate masters do business with them.
cuba is 80 miles off the coast of america. and would be a top 3 vacation spot for many americans. o im sorry, I dont think you knew that. look at a map before you say such stupid things.
Don't preach to me about the history between the US and Cuba. My parents are from Cuba. The Cuban missle crisis was over 40 years ago. the Cold War ended of 20 years ago. I think it's time for the stupid embargo to be put to bed. Here's a big news falsh to the government, IT DIDN'T WORK. It didn't work in the 60's. It didn't work in the 70's, 80's, 90's and it's still not working in this decade.
well guess who has been the president of cuba since the cuban missle crisis. o thats right, the same fucking guy. but you knew that, your parents are from cuba. my bad
Ask Fredo Corleone how things go in Cuba when Americans do business in Cuba. Go ahead, ask him. Oh, you cant ! He is dead in Lake Tahoe because of what happened in Cuba. Therefore it is fairly simple to surmise that capitalism + Cuba just doesnt work.
cuba is 80 miles off the coast of america. and would be a top 3 vacation spot for many americans. o im sorry, I dont think you knew that. look at a map before you say such stupid things.
Hellooooo, the current discussion is about American companies doing business with third world countries, and how they aren't better off because of it.
Nevertheless if you desire examples closer to home, what about Puerto Rico with 50% of it's population living under the poverty level? shit, let's get even closer and talk about half of the US states! Look at conditions within America first. close enough for yeah?
Look at how your own people are living right here right now in the land of the free, get these companies to help them first.
Hellooooo, the current discussion is about American companies doing business with third world countries, and how they aren't better off because of it.
Nevertheless if you desire examples closer to home, what about Puerto Rico with 50% of it's population living under the poverty level? shit, let's get even closer and talk about half of the US states! Look at conditions within America first. close enough for yeah?
Look at how your own people are living right here right now in the land of the free, get these companies to help them first.
Companies are not going to help people out of the goodness of their hearts. They go where there is profit to be made regardless of the human factor. They will rape Cuba just like any other country they wish to plunder.
Companies are not going to help people out of the goodness of their hearts. They go where there is profit to be made regardless of the human factor. They will rape Cuba just like any other country they wish to plunder.
Yes Of course, and remember that these companies are just a reflection of the country they were created in. In this case America.
Yes Of course, and remember that these companies are just a reflection of the country they were created in. In this case America.
Right, because our standard of living is awful compared to what they enjoy in that workers' paradise. Things are so pure there, it would be horrible if we were to go in there and offer them products, services, choices, jobs, infrastructure, industry.
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Right, because our standard of living is awful compared to what they enjoy in that workers' paradise. Things are so pure there, it would be horrible if we were to go in there and offer them products, services, choices, jobs, infrastructure, industry.
you people lost me. america and americans are by far the wealthiest people in the world. open up a carribean island 80 miles off the coast and watch billions pour in. alot of which will go directly into the pockets of cubans. do you really not believe that? it will be the next bahamas. and pueto rico is doing just fine.
and you said something abuot america? you dont know this, I know you dont know because some of you people have the economic knowledge of a squirrel, but unemployment fell to 4.5%. the number comes out first friday of every month. germany is at 9.6%. o and the stock market is at all time highs we are doing just fine.
Companies are not going to help people out of the goodness of their hearts. They go where there is profit to be made regardless of the human factor. They will rape Cuba just like any other country they wish to plunder.
what the fuck are you talking about? rape cuba?
heres an example. castro dies and teh have free elections and proclaim america a freind, embargo is dropped (which I am all in favor of), I travel down there for a week long vacation and spend a few thousand bucks. I stay in a american hotel that employs 500 cubans. I could go on but I sure hope you get my point.
heres an example. castro dies and teh have free elections and proclaim america a freind, embargo is dropped (which I am all in favor of), I travel down there for a week long vacation and spend a few thousand bucks. I stay in a american hotel that employs 500 cubans. I could go on but I sure hope you get my point.
Good example, now let me expand on your fucking mindset.
That fucking dictator Castro dies, probably any day now, that old bag. Cuba will hold free elections, but wait, they better elect someone who is the total opposite of that fucker castro otherwise america won't like it, well then again it's not like america would ever otherthrow an elected leader and put a puppet in place.
So far so good, I'm a yankee, gonna go travel to Cuba, nice sun, nice beach, nice cigars, stay at an american hotel, you know, the ones with 500 fucking cubans, they'll be happy as long as that low wage is steady. Maybe I spend a few thousand bucks on some hot cuban hookers and whatever else. Then after a week go back to america. Oh yes, sounds wonderful.
And in america? new orleans was just a movie, the war in iraq aint real. but yeah, america is doing just fine.
That fucking dictator Castro dies, probably any day now, that old bag. Cuba will hold free elections, but wait, they better elect someone who is the total opposite of that fucker castro otherwise america won't like it,
its up to cuba to extend the olive branch, not america.
I'm a yankee, gonna go travel to Cuba, nice sun, nice beach, nice cigars, stay at an american hotel, you know, the ones with 500 fucking cubans,
great. same example I used but somehow you are trying to knock it? why? those 500 fucking cubans you mentioned might have been selling fruit on the street before that luxury american hotel got there.
they'll be happy as long as that low wage is steady. Maybe I spend a few thousand bucks on some hot cuban hookers and whatever else. Then after a week go back to america. Oh yes, sounds wonderful.
again, do you know anything about economics? I planned on going with my girlfriend, so I didnt need to spend a few thousand buck on hookers but I'm glad you are. hookers have to eat too. but in addition to the money you so desperately spend on hookers, you also spend money for hotel, food, drinks, etc. all helping the cuban economy. money that will not go there until a new government is in place.
the worst natural disater america has ever seen. poorly planned by bush, sure. I just visited New Orleanes last month. place is booming. and the gulf coast? casinos and housing deveolpers can not find enough people to work and built fast enough. in a few years the gulf will be better then pre-katrina. but I love the example. use a horrible natural disaster as an example as to why america is falling apart. did you know you cant stop a hurricane? classic
I guess Norway has laws against those signs you see that say "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone under any circumstance".
I guess it's just an American thing.
I don't know about Norway but I guess so.
I know in my country this is illegal. You have to have a good reason to refuse service if the person has money to spend (and being of a particular nationality is not a good reason). And I would guess it's the same in Norway or else there would be no problem (and, no debate).
As for the discussion going on on corporations coming to Cuba I agree opening the economy would be a good thing for the cubans.
The country might see the same dangerous drifts as other 3rd world country living of tourism though (sexual tourism, exploitation, looting, destroying natural landscape) but it honestly think it will definetely improve the living of most Cubans (with a downside to this of course).
heres an example. castro dies and teh have free elections and proclaim america a freind, embargo is dropped (which I am all in favor of), I travel down there for a week long vacation and spend a few thousand bucks. I stay in a american hotel that employs 500 cubans. I could go on but I sure hope you get my point.
I get your point. I've seen first hand how our record trade deficits with China and the billions we pump into that country every year have improved the lives of the average citizen. It hasnt. Travel abroad and you might be surprised how the world really works. Helpful hint -- staying at resorts and going on golfing adventures doesnt give a realistic view of how the average person lives.
I get your point. I've seen first hand how our record trade deficits with China and the billions we pump into that country every year have improved the lives of the average citizen. It hasnt. Travel abroad and you might be surprised how the world really works. Helpful hint -- staying at resorts and going on golfing adventures doesnt give a realistic view of how the average person lives.
I do travel abroad. quite often actually. I have even been to china. country has over a billion people with a growth rate of around 10%. China is also a communist country. The government controls the lives of the average citizen. did you have a point?
but good comparison of China to Cuba. cuba is a Caribbean island off the coast of america. if the embargo is dropped do you have any idea how much money, american money, would flow in? billions. tripling the size of the small poor cuban economy. and you, an uneducated, economically challenged thinker, to tell me that wont be good for cubans?
I do travel abroad. quite often actually. I have even been to china. country has over a billion people with a growth rate of around 10%. China is also a communist country. The government controls the lives of the average citizen. did you have a point?
but good comparison of China to Cuba. cuba is a Caribbean island off the coast of america. if the embargo is dropped do you have any idea how much money, american money, would flow in? billions. tripling the size of the small poor cuban economy. and you, an uneducated, economically challenged thinker, to tell me that wont be good for cubans?
Uneducated? LOL, OK. Actually, China is not a purely communist country anymore, oh wiseman. It is a combination of centralized economy and open market, a mixture of communism, capitalism, and authoritarianism.
I never said that Cuba wouldnt benefit from American money pouring in. I said that the average Cuban will not benefit in the rosy canvas you like to paint. Just as the case in every other third world nation we trade with there will be the "have much and the have little".
Actually, China is not a purely communist country anymore, oh wiseman. It is a combination of centralized economy and open market, a mixture of communism, capitalism, and authoritarianism.
only in the last 5-8 years. 50 years prior has been strictly communist. takes a long time to integrate capitalsm to the average china citizen.
I never said that Cuba wouldnt benefit from American money pouring in. I said that the average Cuban will not benefit in the rosy canvas you like to paint. Just as the case in every other third world nation we trade with there will be the "have much and the have little".
this 100% depends on the type of government that is in place. which of course is 100% out of the control of america.
assuming by some miracle cuba becomes a truly free democratic capitalist society, then many cubans will be very wealthy and their economy will strive. just look at the rest of the Caribbean with similar governments. bahamas, st thomas, st croix... dominican republic and pueto rico have strong growth rates because the political situation in those countries have stabilized.
regardless cuba is by far the largest island in the carribean and has alot to offer. I personally hope I get to travel there one day and even make an investment into the country. in their case, become america's friend and see how wealthy and industrialized they will become.
I'm not cheering for anything. I don't like the US policy toward Cuba in 2007. 20, 30, 40 years ago I understand it. But now? Come on.
only problem is they havnt changed anything in 40 years. so if you understand then (40 years), you have to understand now. nothing over there has changed
bullshit. if americans did business with cuba alot of cubans would be much better off financially.
Really because America did do business with Cuba for decades and a small minority of Cubans made money off of it, mainly the government and it's associates. Castro is definetly bad for Cuba, but the US is not good for them either.
I don't think anyone here believes that Cuba is better under the rule of Castro, but many of us (me included) know that US intervention in Cuba is not the solution. The US had their hands in Cuban affairs since it liberation, until Fidel's revolution, and all the US did was support corrupt presidents who would sell their mother to US corporate interests just to get a piece of the pie. The last thing I want for Cuba, after Fidel falls, is for it to revert to pre-Castro days. Cuba is for Cubans not companies like United Fruit to make a killing off of the backs of poor Cuban laborers.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
do you morons think cuba is better off with a dictator as opposed to being friends with america?
Well stated. You seem to rattle fairly easily. I'm guessing you have ulcers or will have them soon. Do everyone a favor and throw your computer next time someone doesnt agree with you 100%.
Really because America did do business with Cuba for decades and a small minority of Cubans made money off of it, mainly the government and it's associates. Castro is definetly bad for Cuba, but the US is not good for them either.
I don't think anyone here believes that Cuba is better under the rule of Castro, but many of us (me included) know that US intervention in Cuba is not the solution.
I agree. I do not want US intervention. let cubans figure out shit themselves.
The US had their hands in Cuban affairs since it liberation, until Fidel's revolution, and all the US did was support corrupt presidents who would sell their mother to US corporate interests just to get a piece of the pie. The last thing I want for Cuba, after Fidel falls, is for it to revert to pre-Castro days. Cuba is for Cubans not companies like United Fruit to make a killing off of the backs of poor Cuban laborers.
pre-castro days was 50 years ago. times have changed. regardless of what you think or what has happened pre-castro (a long long time ago), american business and investment would do a great deal of good for cuba and the cuban people.
its almost entirly dependent on what type of government and society cubans want for themselves.
Have you read this thread? Through the embargo and numerous travel restrictions.
There is nothing wrong with Americans or American corporations wanting to do business in Cuba. However, if it leads to Cuba once again selling out its economy and political affairs to the United States....it will just lead to another revolution. As it did in 1959.
The 'illegal' embargo, condemned the world over but held up by America's power of veto at the U.N.
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bullshit. if americans did business with cuba alot of cubans would be much better off financially.
Like they do in Pakistan,India,China,Vietnam,Indonesia,Nicaragua,Honduras and the rest of the third world....?
Yeah, these countries are so much better off financially now that the great empire and her corporate masters do business with them.
And just look at the wonders we've done for Mexico.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
cuba is 80 miles off the coast of america. and would be a top 3 vacation spot for many americans. o im sorry, I dont think you knew that. look at a map before you say such stupid things.
can you imagine what mexico would be like if we didnt do business with them? think about it
well guess who has been the president of cuba since the cuban missle crisis. o thats right, the same fucking guy. but you knew that, your parents are from cuba. my bad
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Hellooooo, the current discussion is about American companies doing business with third world countries, and how they aren't better off because of it.
Nevertheless if you desire examples closer to home, what about Puerto Rico with 50% of it's population living under the poverty level? shit, let's get even closer and talk about half of the US states! Look at conditions within America first. close enough for yeah?
Look at how your own people are living right here right now in the land of the free, get these companies to help them first.
Companies are not going to help people out of the goodness of their hearts. They go where there is profit to be made regardless of the human factor. They will rape Cuba just like any other country they wish to plunder.
Yes Of course, and remember that these companies are just a reflection of the country they were created in. In this case America.
Right, because our standard of living is awful compared to what they enjoy in that workers' paradise. Things are so pure there, it would be horrible if we were to go in there and offer them products, services, choices, jobs, infrastructure, industry.
Dont forget about all the Ipods.
and you said something abuot america? you dont know this, I know you dont know because some of you people have the economic knowledge of a squirrel, but unemployment fell to 4.5%. the number comes out first friday of every month. germany is at 9.6%. o and the stock market is at all time highs we are doing just fine.
what the fuck are you talking about? rape cuba?
heres an example. castro dies and teh have free elections and proclaim america a freind, embargo is dropped (which I am all in favor of), I travel down there for a week long vacation and spend a few thousand bucks. I stay in a american hotel that employs 500 cubans. I could go on but I sure hope you get my point.
Good example, now let me expand on your fucking mindset.
That fucking dictator Castro dies, probably any day now, that old bag. Cuba will hold free elections, but wait, they better elect someone who is the total opposite of that fucker castro otherwise america won't like it, well then again it's not like america would ever otherthrow an elected leader and put a puppet in place.
So far so good, I'm a yankee, gonna go travel to Cuba, nice sun, nice beach, nice cigars, stay at an american hotel, you know, the ones with 500 fucking cubans, they'll be happy as long as that low wage is steady. Maybe I spend a few thousand bucks on some hot cuban hookers and whatever else. Then after a week go back to america. Oh yes, sounds wonderful.
And in america? new orleans was just a movie, the war in iraq aint real. but yeah, america is doing just fine.
you got me really excited for a second. but trust me, by the end of your post, I felt dumber.
its up to cuba to extend the olive branch, not america.
you wouldnt be refering to saddam would you? I know he did get 99.9% of the vote when he run unopposed back in the 90s.
you havent said one intelligent thing yet to "change my fucking mindset" I was hoping you did. so far, nothing new. lets move on.
great. same example I used but somehow you are trying to knock it? why? those 500 fucking cubans you mentioned might have been selling fruit on the street before that luxury american hotel got there.
again, do you know anything about economics? I planned on going with my girlfriend, so I didnt need to spend a few thousand buck on hookers but I'm glad you are. hookers have to eat too. but in addition to the money you so desperately spend on hookers, you also spend money for hotel, food, drinks, etc. all helping the cuban economy. money that will not go there until a new government is in place.
the worst natural disater america has ever seen. poorly planned by bush, sure. I just visited New Orleanes last month. place is booming. and the gulf coast? casinos and housing deveolpers can not find enough people to work and built fast enough. in a few years the gulf will be better then pre-katrina. but I love the example. use a horrible natural disaster as an example as to why america is falling apart. did you know you cant stop a hurricane? classic
the war in Iraq is very real that war is effecting the streets of Iraq, however. not america. but yes, we are doing just fine.
I don't know about Norway but I guess so.
I know in my country this is illegal. You have to have a good reason to refuse service if the person has money to spend (and being of a particular nationality is not a good reason). And I would guess it's the same in Norway or else there would be no problem (and, no debate).
As for the discussion going on on corporations coming to Cuba I agree opening the economy would be a good thing for the cubans.
The country might see the same dangerous drifts as other 3rd world country living of tourism though (sexual tourism, exploitation, looting, destroying natural landscape) but it honestly think it will definetely improve the living of most Cubans (with a downside to this of course).
I get your point. I've seen first hand how our record trade deficits with China and the billions we pump into that country every year have improved the lives of the average citizen. It hasnt. Travel abroad and you might be surprised how the world really works. Helpful hint -- staying at resorts and going on golfing adventures doesnt give a realistic view of how the average person lives.
I do travel abroad. quite often actually. I have even been to china. country has over a billion people with a growth rate of around 10%. China is also a communist country. The government controls the lives of the average citizen. did you have a point?
but good comparison of China to Cuba. cuba is a Caribbean island off the coast of america. if the embargo is dropped do you have any idea how much money, american money, would flow in? billions. tripling the size of the small poor cuban economy. and you, an uneducated, economically challenged thinker, to tell me that wont be good for cubans?
Uneducated? LOL, OK. Actually, China is not a purely communist country anymore, oh wiseman. It is a combination of centralized economy and open market, a mixture of communism, capitalism, and authoritarianism.
I never said that Cuba wouldnt benefit from American money pouring in. I said that the average Cuban will not benefit in the rosy canvas you like to paint. Just as the case in every other third world nation we trade with there will be the "have much and the have little".
about economics, yes
only in the last 5-8 years. 50 years prior has been strictly communist. takes a long time to integrate capitalsm to the average china citizen.
this 100% depends on the type of government that is in place. which of course is 100% out of the control of america.
assuming by some miracle cuba becomes a truly free democratic capitalist society, then many cubans will be very wealthy and their economy will strive. just look at the rest of the Caribbean with similar governments. bahamas, st thomas, st croix... dominican republic and pueto rico have strong growth rates because the political situation in those countries have stabilized.
regardless cuba is by far the largest island in the carribean and has alot to offer. I personally hope I get to travel there one day and even make an investment into the country. in their case, become america's friend and see how wealthy and industrialized they will become.
only problem is they havnt changed anything in 40 years. so if you understand then (40 years), you have to understand now. nothing over there has changed
Really because America did do business with Cuba for decades and a small minority of Cubans made money off of it, mainly the government and it's associates. Castro is definetly bad for Cuba, but the US is not good for them either.
I don't think anyone here believes that Cuba is better under the rule of Castro, but many of us (me included) know that US intervention in Cuba is not the solution. The US had their hands in Cuban affairs since it liberation, until Fidel's revolution, and all the US did was support corrupt presidents who would sell their mother to US corporate interests just to get a piece of the pie. The last thing I want for Cuba, after Fidel falls, is for it to revert to pre-Castro days. Cuba is for Cubans not companies like United Fruit to make a killing off of the backs of poor Cuban laborers.
Well stated. You seem to rattle fairly easily. I'm guessing you have ulcers or will have them soon. Do everyone a favor and throw your computer next time someone doesnt agree with you 100%.
who's fault is that? castro or america business?
I agree. I do not want US intervention. let cubans figure out shit themselves.
pre-castro days was 50 years ago. times have changed. regardless of what you think or what has happened pre-castro (a long long time ago), american business and investment would do a great deal of good for cuba and the cuban people.
its almost entirly dependent on what type of government and society cubans want for themselves.
Ever hear of Kennedy's plans to invade Cuba? Maybe the Cubans decided to 'defend' themselves?
So the Florida Keys and Cancun aren't enough for ya? You fuckers would love to make the whole world your personal holiday resort wouldn't you?
The 'illegal' embargo, condemned the world over but held up by America's power of veto at the U.N.