did you not read the article? green in the middle east wouldn't associate him with ireland... or anything really, but that's the reason, clearly..
great contradiction. green wouldn't associate him with anything really, so the reason you offer for the ban is clearly the reason he did it? because i read the article. it says they didn't want to be associated with hamas, which sounds a lot like him wanting to avoid endorsing a political group he does not support in a land where the group is very controversial. that is a long way from trying to avoid any association with islam in general always. so people are puzzled, maybe his aide made a mistake? so what?
great contradiction. green wouldn't associate him with anything really, so the reason you offer for the ban is clearly the reason he did it?
that's not a contradiction. I'm saying people wouldn't associate it with Islam IN THE US (or even in the Middle East), but the fact that he intentionally avoided it shows that it is because it's the color of Islam... even the article says that (although I read somewhere that it was the color of Hamas, which is BS).
i notice you didn't answer the question.
my, you're perceptive.
got a source on that? or is this something you heard from a guy who used to date this girl that once hung out with a lady who knows obama is satan?
look it up online, i'm not going to bother myself with google searches for you, but it happened.
that's not a contradiction. I'm saying people wouldn't associate it with Islam IN THE US (or even in the Middle East), but the fact that he intentionally avoided it shows that it is because it's the color of Islam... even the article says that (although I read somewhere that it was the color of Hamas, which is BS)..
no, the article does not say that. the article says they thought it was the color of hamas. the fact that he intentionally avoided green shows that he didn't want to be associated with hamas. maybe they were wrong about that, but it is straining credulity to read into it that what you do. especially when the explanation he gave is perfectly reasonable and right there in the article.
i can only assume it is because you are not, in fact, middle eastern and don't want to admit you're just blowing hot air here about knowing how truly offensive this is to muslims. white guilt is a bitch.
look it up online, i'm not going to bother myself with google searches for you, but it happened.
clearly, you're not familiar with informed and intelligent debate. you don't make points and then ask others to find the evidence for you. given that you can't answer straight questions, and apparently can't read correctly (see above), i don't particularly feel the need to do any further research. your nonsense has been sufficiently exposed so that only the looniest reader would buy what you're selling here. but if you're serious about trying to convince us all obama has some sort of prejudice against or fear of islam, i'll read those news reports whenever you dig them up. in the meantime, i will accept your concession.
"You've never been out of college, you don't know what it's like out there. I've worked in the private sector... they expect results." -Ray
no, the article does not say that. the article says they thought it was the color of hamas. the fact that he intentionally avoided green shows that he didn't want to be associated with hamas. maybe they were wrong about that, but it is straining credulity to read into it that what you do. especially when the explanation he gave is perfectly reasonable and right there in the article.
The article does not say they thought, which is a past tense word as if they were corrected. the article states that they truly believe green is the color associated with Hamas (when all the world leaders in the middle east know it isn't and are puzzled to why he went through all this). the explanation is not reasonable, nor is it "right there in the article." it's a false statement.
i can only assume it is because you are not, in fact, middle eastern and don't want to admit you're just blowing hot air here about knowing how truly offensive this is to muslims. white guilt is a bitch.
haha, feel free to assume that then. I really don't have to explain myself, nor do I have to explain my background to you.
clearly, you're not familiar with informed and intelligent debate. you don't make points and then ask others to find the evidence for you.
it's not evidence for me. it's evidence because apparently you don't read the news enough to see this was all over it a month ago. even though I have time to waste, I really could care less about whether you believe me or not.
and claiming I don't know how to debate intelligently when you just said yesterday that we should just "nuke" the middle east is quite ridiculous, but feel free to say whatever is on your mind. it is, after all, your opinion.
given that you can't answer straight questions, and apparently can't read correctly (see above), i don't particularly feel the need to do any further research.
aren't you the same one who "misread" yesterday in the other thread? :rolleyes:
your nonsense has been sufficiently exposed so that only the looniest reader would buy what you're selling here. but if you're serious about trying to convince us all obama has some sort of prejudice against or fear of islam, i'll read those news reports whenever you dig them up. in the meantime, i will accept your concession.
It's not nonsense, and it's not that he has prejudice or is against Islam. It's that he actually has to go out of his way to not be associated with it, as if it's some insult, which, in turn, is insulting.
feel free to ignore any of my posts, really I could care less. I only post here cause I'm so fucking bored at work, and there are people here who make interesting points.
The article does not say they thought, which is a past tense word as if they were corrected. the article states that they truly believe green is the color associated with Hamas (when all the world leaders in the middle east know it isn't and are puzzled to why he went through all this). the explanation is not reasonable, nor is it "right there in the article." it's a false statement..
so what? so they're wrong. is that so damned awful? i don't see anyone outraged over besides you. even the middle east leaders are no more than "puzzled."
haha, feel free to assume that then. I really don't have to explain myself, nor do I have to explain my background to you..
you do if you are claiming some insider knowledge of what is insulting to muslims. so far i see no reason to think this is as huge a deal as you make it out to be.
It's not nonsense, and it's not that he has prejudice or is against Islam. It's that he actually has to go out of his way to not be associated with it, as if it's some insult, which, in turn, is insulting.
why is it insulting to you? the middle eastern leaders referenced in the article dont seem insulted by this. why are you?
"You've never been out of college, you don't know what it's like out there. I've worked in the private sector... they expect results." -Ray
so what? so they're wrong. is that so damned awful? i don't see anyone outraged over besides you. even the middle east leaders are no more than "puzzled."
who said I'm outraged? finding something insulting is not being "outraged." I was clearing up a point, and you decided to open a debate.
you do if you are claiming some insider knowledge of what is insulting to muslims. so far i see no reason to think this is as huge a deal as you make it out to be.
it's not a huge deal and I said it before. His repeated actions however have shown that he's been trying to distance himself from islam as much as possible, which is insulting. but it's obviously not why I won't vote for him. i have many more, bigger reasons.
why is it insulting to you? the middle eastern leaders referenced in the article dont seem insulted by this. why are you?
do I really need to say it again? he distancing himself from the religion is insulting. it's not like he did something very bad, but it's an insult. I just don't see why you can't understand that it's an insult, but I really could care less now, and i'm done debating this ridiculous point.
who said I'm outraged? finding something insulting is not being "outraged." I was clearing up a point, and you decided to open a debate.
it's not a huge deal and I said it before. His repeated actions however have shown that he's been trying to distance himself from islam as much as possible, which is insulting. but it's obviously not why I won't vote for him. i have many more, bigger reasons.
do I really need to say it again? he distancing himself from the religion is insulting. it's not like he did something very bad, but it's an insult. I just don't see why you can't understand that it's an insult, but I really could care less now, and i'm done debating this ridiculous point.
you just keep repeating that it's insulting and i don't see why. im not convinced this is what he's doing, but that's why i keep asking. why is it so insulting? he's NOT a muslim. he has had to weather accusations of being a terrorist and unpatriotic and unamerican from day one. i don't see what is so insulting about him taking care to not ruffle any feathers. he got burned on his comments about rednecks clinging to guns and god. seems smart to want to avoid another similarly controversial mistake. nader is distancing himself from corporations, mccain from bush, obama from controversy over his beliefs. how is obama different and why is he singled out?
"You've never been out of college, you don't know what it's like out there. I've worked in the private sector... they expect results." -Ray
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my, you're perceptive.
look it up online, i'm not going to bother myself with google searches for you, but it happened.
Denny Crane!
haha, feel free to assume that then. I really don't have to explain myself, nor do I have to explain my background to you.
it's not evidence for me. it's evidence because apparently you don't read the news enough to see this was all over it a month ago. even though I have time to waste, I really could care less about whether you believe me or not.
and claiming I don't know how to debate intelligently when you just said yesterday that we should just "nuke" the middle east is quite ridiculous, but feel free to say whatever is on your mind. it is, after all, your opinion.
aren't you the same one who "misread" yesterday in the other thread? :rolleyes:
It's not nonsense, and it's not that he has prejudice or is against Islam. It's that he actually has to go out of his way to not be associated with it, as if it's some insult, which, in turn, is insulting.
feel free to ignore any of my posts, really I could care less. I only post here cause I'm so fucking bored at work, and there are people here who make interesting points.
Denny Crane!
it's not a huge deal and I said it before. His repeated actions however have shown that he's been trying to distance himself from islam as much as possible, which is insulting. but it's obviously not why I won't vote for him. i have many more, bigger reasons.
do I really need to say it again? he distancing himself from the religion is insulting. it's not like he did something very bad, but it's an insult. I just don't see why you can't understand that it's an insult, but I really could care less now, and i'm done debating this ridiculous point.
you just keep repeating that it's insulting and i don't see why. im not convinced this is what he's doing, but that's why i keep asking. why is it so insulting? he's NOT a muslim. he has had to weather accusations of being a terrorist and unpatriotic and unamerican from day one. i don't see what is so insulting about him taking care to not ruffle any feathers. he got burned on his comments about rednecks clinging to guns and god. seems smart to want to avoid another similarly controversial mistake. nader is distancing himself from corporations, mccain from bush, obama from controversy over his beliefs. how is obama different and why is he singled out?
Denny Crane!
You must be from ATL as well.