If it's a slickly produced video clip on the internet, the by heaven's sake, it's gotta be true...
People who actually make it more than 30 seconds into that video should be Rickrolled.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Not wearing green? He just lost the Irish-American vote right there !!
Seriously, this is pretty low on a list of reasons not to vote for someone for president.
He does not want the color green becoz he's scared people will think he has something to do with terrorism, don't you think thats kinda stupid?
Even if I thought this was stupid it sure wouldnt be a deciding factor on who I vote for. I can think of numerous gaffes by the other candidate McCain that were worse than this. Even McCain's pilot fish Nader has a list of blunders (ironically recently having to do with a color as well).
Even if I thought this was stupid it sure wouldnt be a deciding factor on who I vote for. I can think of numerous gaffes by the other candidate McCain that were worse than this. Even McCain's pilot fish Nader has a list of blunders (ironically recently having to do with a color as well).
just to clarify on my post that you quoted...
obama on the color green.....this is a non issue for me...hence the sarcasm.
Yes, you're right. I'm mean it's not like Obama didn't get a truckful of bs on islam and terrorism already. And it's not like low arguments ever happen in American elections. You're right, he is stupid, anticipating the stupidity of others, what was he thinking?
obama on the color green.....this is a non issue for me...hence the sarcasm.
I was quoting your post just to show the color issue was just one of many items on a list of suggestions from the campaign. Sorry if you took it as a swipe at you because it truly wasnt.
Even if I thought this was stupid it sure wouldnt be a deciding factor on who I vote for. I can think of numerous gaffes by the other candidate McCain that were worse than this. Even McCain's pilot fish Nader has a list of blunders (ironically recently having to do with a color as well).
Hate for the man?
He is a liar...a con...
And he's got the country fooled.
I dislike his support for Israel, that he praises them without speaking of their crimes against the people of Palestine. I dislike the fact that he say's that he's against the iraq war but votes to fund it. Well.....I can go on.
ok..
why do people seem to have the idea this would be a deciding factor for voting for Obama?? OBVIOUSLY, IT ISN'T, but it's surely somethign that makes him look bad and we lose some respect for him for it.
And, NO, IT'S NOT because of the fact that he wont wear a certain color like you all seem to think it is. It's because of the fact that he's trying to distance himself from Islam so much that it's quite disturbing to see (like the Muslim girls who tried to sit in the back or whatever). How can we expect a guy like this to be president when he actually has to color coordinate his clothes so that they can't be associated with ANYTHING muslim??
ok..
why do people seem to have the idea this would be a deciding factor for voting for Obama?? OBVIOUSLY, IT ISN'T, but it's surely somethign that makes him look bad and we lose some respect for him for it.
And, NO, IT'S NOT because of the fact that he wont wear a certain color like you all seem to think it is. It's because of the fact that he's trying to distance himself from Islam so much that it's quite disturbing to see (like the Muslim girls who tried to sit in the back or whatever). How can we expect a guy like this to be president when he actually has to color coordinate his clothes so that they can't be associated with ANYTHING muslim??
ridiculous.
since the theme is going green, I'll recycle my earlier post:
I see it as a damned if you do, damned if you don't sort of thing...
Let's say he wears a green suit, does the terrorist fist-jab, and bends down to tie his shoe in front of a mosque...I'd be willing to bet that image would be plastered all over the place....
and I'll add...Obama has spent quite a bit of time addressing a fucking flag pin, so his hypersensitivity is no surprise to me...
since the theme is going green, I'll recycle my earlier post:
I see it as a damned if you do, damned if you don't sort of thing...
Let's say he wears a green suit, does the terrorist fist-jab, and bends down to tie his shoe in front of a mosque...I'd be willing to bet that image would be plastered all over the place....
so it's ok if he does completely ignorant and insulting things because if he didn't do it it might hurt his reputation? atleast if these so-called pictures appeared on the internet, he'd appeal noble to most people and anyone with a right mind would see he's not wrong.
But to have to do shit like avoiding a color out of no respect for another religion because he's scared of shit like that is completely unethical and ridiculous. And no, I won't accept a response of "well that's politics" because it's not. It's someone playign a ridiculous game that he claims to want to change.
and I'll add...Obama has spent quite a bit of time addressing a fucking flag pin, so his hypersensitivity is no surprise to me...
It's no surprise to me either. What is surprising to me is that after everyone is said and done people still have "hope" in him for "change."
ok..
why do people seem to have the idea this would be a deciding factor for voting for Obama?? OBVIOUSLY, IT ISN'T, but it's surely somethign that makes him look bad and we lose some respect for him for it.
And, NO, IT'S NOT because of the fact that he wont wear a certain color like you all seem to think it is. It's because of the fact that he's trying to distance himself from Islam so much that it's quite disturbing to see (like the Muslim girls who tried to sit in the back or whatever). How can we expect a guy like this to be president when he actually has to color coordinate his clothes so that they can't be associated with ANYTHING muslim??
ridiculous.
it's got nothing to do with that. it's got to do with the fact that he was meeting with people who were offended by it. and like a good diplomat, he became apprised of local tastes and customs before he went there, so as not to offend anyone.
but you're right, next time he goes to japan, he should tell them to fuck off if he's asked to remove his shoes. in ireland, he should wear orange and praise oliver cromwell, to show he's not biased. if he goes to peace talks with iran, he should take two hookers in miniskirts to show them that he doesn't give a SHIT about respecting anyone else's traditions.
"You've never been out of college, you don't know what it's like out there. I've worked in the private sector... they expect results." -Ray
so it's ok if he does completely ignorant and insulting things because if he didn't do it it might hurt his reputation? atleast if these so-called pictures appeared on the internet, he'd appeal noble to most people and anyone with a right mind would see he's not wrong.
But to have to do shit like avoiding a color out of no respect for another religion because he's scared of shit like that is completely unethical and ridiculous. And no, I won't accept a response of "well that's politics" because it's not. It's someone playign a ridiculous game that he claims to want to change.
It's no surprise to me either. What is surprising to me is that after everyone is said and done people still have "hope" in him for "change."
there are still billboards around the country advertising that obama is spelled a lot like osama. you're vastly over-estimating the average intelligence of america. he wouldn't appear noble. nobody would even know what the hell he was doing. i didnt know green had anything to do with islam or the middle east or anything else until this thread and im a relatively well informed guy. this is about tact and diplomacy, and it's pretty fucking refreshing to me just to have a candidate who's not walking into foreign countries with a cowboy hat and six-shooter and telling them to open mcdonald's or else we'll invade.
"You've never been out of college, you don't know what it's like out there. I've worked in the private sector... they expect results." -Ray
it's got nothing to do with that. it's got to do with the fact that he was meeting with people who were offended by it. and like a good diplomat, he became apprised of local tastes and customs before he went there, so as not to offend anyone.
but you're right, next time he goes to japan, he should tell them to fuck off if he's asked to remove his shoes. in ireland, he should wear orange and praise oliver cromwell, to show he's not biased. if he goes to peace talks with iran, he should take two hookers in miniskirts to show them that he doesn't give a SHIT about respecting anyone else's traditions.
who is offended by the color green? who is he respecting? he's going to the middle east and he shouldn't wear green, which is the color is Islam, the major religion in the middle east, because he didn't want to offend them? I'm just trying to understand what the hell you're trying to say here.
and yeah, going to iran with two hookers is soooo fucking similar to WEARING GREEN in the Middle East.
so it's ok if he does completely ignorant and insulting things because if he didn't do it it might hurt his reputation? atleast if these so-called pictures appeared on the internet, he'd appeal noble to most people and anyone with a right mind would see he's not wrong.
But to have to do shit like avoiding a color out of no respect for another religion because he's scared of shit like that is completely unethical and ridiculous. And no, I won't accept a response of "well that's politics" because it's not. It's someone playign a ridiculous game that he claims to want to change.
let me ask, what do you want to hear...? what is the correct response...? what would make you feel better? as I see it, no matter what this guy does or doesn't do, you're mind is made up...
there are still billboards around the country advertising that obama is spelled a lot like osama. you're vastly over-estimating the average intelligence of america. he wouldn't appear noble. nobody would even know what the hell he was doing. i didnt know green had anything to do with islam or the middle east or anything else until this thread and im a relatively well informed guy. this is about tact and diplomacy, and it's pretty fucking refreshing to me just to have a candidate who's not walking into foreign countries with a cowboy hat and six-shooter and telling them to open mcdonald's or else we'll invade.
first of all, the likelihood of a picture like that coming out is like 0.00001% or something. if he wore a green shirt, i highly doubt ANYONE, including even the media, would give a shit. you didn't even know it was the color of islam, so clearly no one would care.
this has nothing to do with tact and diplomacy. you justify it by saying atleast he's not invading... well then, maybe if he told the muslims to just fuck off, it'd be better than invading them, so he'd be a good president, right??
who is offended by the color green? who is he respecting? he's going to the middle east and he shouldn't wear green, which is the color is Islam, the major religion in the middle east, because he didn't want to offend them? I'm just trying to understand what the hell you're trying to say here.
and yeah, going to iran with two hookers is soooo fucking similar to WEARING GREEN in the Middle East.
so, if it's not a big deal to wear green, why is it a big deal to not wear green...?
let me ask, what do you want to hear...? what is the correct response...? what would make you feel better? as I see it, no matter what this guy does or doesn't do, you're mind is made up...
clearly, you have no idea what you're even saying. the only reason "no matter what this guy does or doesn't do, you're mind is made up" is because he HASN'T DONE ANYTHING that would make me want to vote for him. If he were to actually do something that is good, I would happily vote for him, but so far, he's shown no signs of bringing ANY change.
what...? this makes no sense...
I concede, this is hypersensitive at worst...
seriously, folks are upset because he did not want anyone to wear a fucking color...a color....oh, sweet, jesus, a color....help us all...
maybe he should blame corporations for the ills of the world and offer nothing...that will get a bunch of votes....
hahahaha, I already explained like 2 posts ago that it's not "just about a color".
oh, and obama hasn't offered any solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict other than "talks" unlike Nader, but it looks like no matter what he does or doesn't do, your mind is made up already.
so, if it's not a big deal to wear green, why is it a big deal to not wear green...?
it's not about the color. it's about the fact that he's intentionally not wearing green so as not to be even remotely close to ANYTHING islamic, which is unethical, ignorant, and just plain ridiculous.
But I already said this once, so why would you understand it if I said it again?
it's not about the color. it's about the fact that he's intentionally not wearing green so as not to be even remotely close to ANYTHING islamic, which is unethical, ignorant, and just plain ridiculous.
so you say...I know this may be hard for you...but think about this: maybe some don't see it the same as you....
clearly, you have no idea what you're even saying. the only reason "no matter what this guy does or doesn't do, you're mind is made up" is because he HASN'T DONE ANYTHING that would make me want to vote for him. If he were to actually do something that is good, I would happily vote for him, but so far, he's shown no signs of bringing ANY change.
hahahaha, I already explained like 2 posts ago that it's not "just about a color".
oh, and obama hasn't offered any solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict other than "talks" unlike Nader, but it looks like no matter what he does or doesn't do, your mind is made up already.
Obama is over there talking...face to face...what's your dead horse done...?
first of all, the likelihood of a picture like that coming out is like 0.00001% or something. if he wore a green shirt, i highly doubt ANYONE, including even the media, would give a shit. you didn't even know it was the color of islam, so clearly no one would care.
this has nothing to do with tact and diplomacy. you justify it by saying atleast he's not invading... well then, maybe if he told the muslims to just fuck off, it'd be better than invading them, so he'd be a good president, right??
if you didnt know it was the color of islam until now, how do you know it was a big fuck you to them? i dont know shit about this, except that it was included as part of a long list of things to keep in mind when visiting overseas. maybe it was associated with a particular sect over there and they didnt want it to seem like he was playing favorites. maybe it's considered disrespectful for him to pretend to be all buddy-buddy, like a bandwagon baseball fan here in the states. maybe his advisor told him it made him look fat. i don't know what's going on here and by your own admission, neither do you. yet you use this as some harebrained excuse to skewer the man. surely you can dig up more and better dirt on him than the fact that his advisor included a no-green provision with the no mini-skirt/bare arms provision of his "don't piss anyone off in the middle east" advice list?
are there people over there pissed off about it? do you have news reports of outrage among muslims? or is this just you getting your PC panties in a twist becos you think you know how they would react, like the suburban white kid pretending to know the ghetto becos he listened to a tupac album once?
"You've never been out of college, you don't know what it's like out there. I've worked in the private sector... they expect results." -Ray
if you didnt know it was the color of islam until now, how do you know it was a big fuck you to them?
where did I say I didn't know that? I did know. and I never said THIS was a big fuck you to them either. you especially always misinterpret my posts.
i dont know shit about this, except that it was included as part of a long list of things to keep in mind when visiting overseas. maybe it was associated with a particular sect over there and they didnt want it to seem like he was playing favorites. maybe it's considered disrespectful for him to pretend to be all buddy-buddy, like a bandwagon baseball fan here in the states. maybe his advisor told him it made him look fat. i don't know what's going on here and by your own admission, neither do you. yet you use this as some harebrained excuse to skewer the man. surely you can dig up more and better dirt on him than the fact that his advisor included a no-green provision with the no mini-skirt/bare arms provision of his "don't piss anyone off in the middle east" advice list?
It's not associated with a particular sect. according to tradition, which is often ignored or just not even thought of in the middle east, green is the color of the RELIGION Islam. Not just the middle east, the actual religion. obama clearly did not want to be associated with the religion because to him, being associated with it is an insult. that's why people care about this.
are there people over there pissed off about it? do you have news reports of outrage among muslims? or is this just you getting your PC panties in a twist becos you think you know how they would react, like the suburban white kid pretending to know the ghetto becos he listened to a tupac album once?
who said i'm a white kid? is it really impossible that I'm Middle Eastern myself?
I have read that middle eastern leaders are puzzled, but, as I've stated before, this isn't anyone's actual problem with Obama. It's a smaller one of many bigger issues. one of his ACTUAL problems is his fear of being associated to anything muslim. this is just an example of that, and I don't know how someone can be president, if he takes such precautions like this to be associated to people who he'd have to deal with for his presidency...
but you're right, whatever, atleast he's there. I was just clearing up the misconception that people here are angry about a color when it's a bigger issue in general.
It's not associated with a particular sect. according to tradition, which is often ignored or just not even thought of in the middle east, green is the color of the religion Islam. Not just the middle east, the actual religion. obama **CLEARLY** did not want to be associated with the religion because to him, being associated with it is an insult. that's why people care about this.
this is the point. you say clearly. it is not so clear to anyone else. do you have proof that is the reason for this other than your own conjectures and assumptions? shit, green here would associate him with ireland, not islam.
I have read that middle eastern leaders are puzzled, but, as I've stated before, this isn't anyone's actual problem with Obama. It's a smaller one of many bigger issues. one of his ACTUAL problems is his fear of being associated to anything muslim. this is just an example of that, and I don't know how someone can be president, if he takes such precautions like this to be associated to people who he'd have to deal with for his presidency...
but you're right, whatever, atleast he's there. I was just clearing up the misconception that people here are angry about a color when it's a bigger issue in general.
even if that were the case, i don't blame him given that there are many who truly believe he is a terrorist in disguise because of his name. that is not a joke, i know some of those people. but im just not seeing how this at all indicates he is trying to take some sort of anti-islam stance. he's NOT islamic, what should he be doing? pretending he is and wearing a head wrap just so that he doesn't offend you? mccain is afraid of appeaing too old. all the candidates have strengths and weaknesses they have to account for, even your angelic nader. i just don't understand what you want him to be doing to prove that he's cool with the muslims.
"You've never been out of college, you don't know what it's like out there. I've worked in the private sector... they expect results." -Ray
this is the point. you say clearly. it is not so clear to anyone else. do you have proof that is the reason for this other than your own conjectures and assumptions? shit, green here would associate him with ireland, not islam.
did you not read the article? green in the middle east wouldn't associate him with ireland... or anything really, but that's the reason, clearly.
1. it was an analogy. look it up.
2. no, it's not. are you?
I know it's an analogy, my point is don't assume where I'm from.
even if that were the case, i don't blame him given that there are many who truly believe he is a terrorist in disguise because of his name. that is not a joke, i know some of those people. but im just not seeing how this at all indicates he is trying to take some sort of anti-islam stance. he's NOT islamic, what should he be doing? pretending he is and wearing a head wrap just so that he doesn't offend you? mccain is afraid of appeaing too old. all the candidates have strengths and weaknesses they have to account for, even your angelic nader. i just don't understand what you want him to be doing to prove that he's cool with the muslims.
they wouldn't even let muslim girls sit near him for fear of being associated. it is certainly a problem.
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If it's a slickly produced video clip on the internet, the by heaven's sake, it's gotta be true...
People who actually make it more than 30 seconds into that video should be Rickrolled.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU
Such a handsome young lad...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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meanwhile, those who support him, are hopefully worrying about real issues and will be basing their vote on that, not on rainbows or pinks or greens.
And he who forgets, will be destined to remember...
He does not want the color green becoz he's scared people will think he has something to do with terrorism, don't you think thats kinda stupid?
I think you overfocused on the green clothing because of your hate for the man.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5685189&postcount=29
Even if I thought this was stupid it sure wouldnt be a deciding factor on who I vote for. I can think of numerous gaffes by the other candidate McCain that were worse than this. Even McCain's pilot fish Nader has a list of blunders (ironically recently having to do with a color as well).
obama on the color green.....this is a non issue for me...hence the sarcasm.
I was quoting your post just to show the color issue was just one of many items on a list of suggestions from the campaign. Sorry if you took it as a swipe at you because it truly wasnt.
Hate for the man?
He is a liar...a con...
And he's got the country fooled.
I dislike his support for Israel, that he praises them without speaking of their crimes against the people of Palestine. I dislike the fact that he say's that he's against the iraq war but votes to fund it. Well.....I can go on.
He truly is an american politican. a joke.
Hahaha...but Al's not interested in people going green...he's interested in how he can profit from people going green...He wants to go green ($).
the free market, baby...
everyone can play...but don't wear green
why do people seem to have the idea this would be a deciding factor for voting for Obama?? OBVIOUSLY, IT ISN'T, but it's surely somethign that makes him look bad and we lose some respect for him for it.
And, NO, IT'S NOT because of the fact that he wont wear a certain color like you all seem to think it is. It's because of the fact that he's trying to distance himself from Islam so much that it's quite disturbing to see (like the Muslim girls who tried to sit in the back or whatever). How can we expect a guy like this to be president when he actually has to color coordinate his clothes so that they can't be associated with ANYTHING muslim??
ridiculous.
since the theme is going green, I'll recycle my earlier post:
I see it as a damned if you do, damned if you don't sort of thing...
Let's say he wears a green suit, does the terrorist fist-jab, and bends down to tie his shoe in front of a mosque...I'd be willing to bet that image would be plastered all over the place....
and I'll add...Obama has spent quite a bit of time addressing a fucking flag pin, so his hypersensitivity is no surprise to me...
But to have to do shit like avoiding a color out of no respect for another religion because he's scared of shit like that is completely unethical and ridiculous. And no, I won't accept a response of "well that's politics" because it's not. It's someone playign a ridiculous game that he claims to want to change.
It's no surprise to me either. What is surprising to me is that after everyone is said and done people still have "hope" in him for "change."
it's got nothing to do with that. it's got to do with the fact that he was meeting with people who were offended by it. and like a good diplomat, he became apprised of local tastes and customs before he went there, so as not to offend anyone.
but you're right, next time he goes to japan, he should tell them to fuck off if he's asked to remove his shoes. in ireland, he should wear orange and praise oliver cromwell, to show he's not biased. if he goes to peace talks with iran, he should take two hookers in miniskirts to show them that he doesn't give a SHIT about respecting anyone else's traditions.
Denny Crane!
there are still billboards around the country advertising that obama is spelled a lot like osama. you're vastly over-estimating the average intelligence of america. he wouldn't appear noble. nobody would even know what the hell he was doing. i didnt know green had anything to do with islam or the middle east or anything else until this thread and im a relatively well informed guy. this is about tact and diplomacy, and it's pretty fucking refreshing to me just to have a candidate who's not walking into foreign countries with a cowboy hat and six-shooter and telling them to open mcdonald's or else we'll invade.
Denny Crane!
and yeah, going to iran with two hookers is soooo fucking similar to WEARING GREEN in the Middle East.
let me ask, what do you want to hear...? what is the correct response...? what would make you feel better? as I see it, no matter what this guy does or doesn't do, you're mind is made up...
what...? this makes no sense...
I concede, this is hypersensitive at worst...
seriously, folks are upset because he did not want anyone to wear a fucking color...a color....oh, sweet, jesus, a color....help us all...
maybe he should blame corporations for the ills of the world and offer nothing...that will get a bunch of votes....
this has nothing to do with tact and diplomacy. you justify it by saying atleast he's not invading... well then, maybe if he told the muslims to just fuck off, it'd be better than invading them, so he'd be a good president, right??
so, if it's not a big deal to wear green, why is it a big deal to not wear green...?
hahahaha, I already explained like 2 posts ago that it's not "just about a color".
oh, and obama hasn't offered any solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict other than "talks" unlike Nader, but it looks like no matter what he does or doesn't do, your mind is made up already.
But I already said this once, so why would you understand it if I said it again?
so you say...I know this may be hard for you...but think about this: maybe some don't see it the same as you....
shocking, I know...
blah blah blah boo blah...
Obama is over there talking...face to face...what's your dead horse done...?
if you didnt know it was the color of islam until now, how do you know it was a big fuck you to them? i dont know shit about this, except that it was included as part of a long list of things to keep in mind when visiting overseas. maybe it was associated with a particular sect over there and they didnt want it to seem like he was playing favorites. maybe it's considered disrespectful for him to pretend to be all buddy-buddy, like a bandwagon baseball fan here in the states. maybe his advisor told him it made him look fat. i don't know what's going on here and by your own admission, neither do you. yet you use this as some harebrained excuse to skewer the man. surely you can dig up more and better dirt on him than the fact that his advisor included a no-green provision with the no mini-skirt/bare arms provision of his "don't piss anyone off in the middle east" advice list?
are there people over there pissed off about it? do you have news reports of outrage among muslims? or is this just you getting your PC panties in a twist becos you think you know how they would react, like the suburban white kid pretending to know the ghetto becos he listened to a tupac album once?
Denny Crane!
It's not associated with a particular sect. according to tradition, which is often ignored or just not even thought of in the middle east, green is the color of the RELIGION Islam. Not just the middle east, the actual religion. obama clearly did not want to be associated with the religion because to him, being associated with it is an insult. that's why people care about this.
who said i'm a white kid? is it really impossible that I'm Middle Eastern myself?
I have read that middle eastern leaders are puzzled, but, as I've stated before, this isn't anyone's actual problem with Obama. It's a smaller one of many bigger issues. one of his ACTUAL problems is his fear of being associated to anything muslim. this is just an example of that, and I don't know how someone can be president, if he takes such precautions like this to be associated to people who he'd have to deal with for his presidency...
but you're right, whatever, atleast he's there. I was just clearing up the misconception that people here are angry about a color when it's a bigger issue in general.
2. no, it's not. are you? even if that were the case, i don't blame him given that there are many who truly believe he is a terrorist in disguise because of his name. that is not a joke, i know some of those people. but im just not seeing how this at all indicates he is trying to take some sort of anti-islam stance. he's NOT islamic, what should he be doing? pretending he is and wearing a head wrap just so that he doesn't offend you? mccain is afraid of appeaing too old. all the candidates have strengths and weaknesses they have to account for, even your angelic nader. i just don't understand what you want him to be doing to prove that he's cool with the muslims.
Denny Crane!
I know it's an analogy, my point is don't assume where I'm from.
they wouldn't even let muslim girls sit near him for fear of being associated. it is certainly a problem.