Cheney endorses simulated drowning

denverfan

Lets say for a monent, your loved one, daughter, son, grandma, whatever in the fuck were being held against their will. Would you be so opposed to these methods in order to save your own? Yeah I thought not..shut the fuck up!

Hope&Anger

denverfan wrote:

were talking about people who want to kill you and I..stop being such a fucking pussy!!

Jlew, I take it all back. I'm an idiot to keep reading the Wall Street Journal and John Yoo and NRO, trying to understand what responsible conservatives have to say about the torture question, when I can come here and read these sophisticated and nuanced arguments.

Yeah, this is much better than being informed.

jlew24asu wrote:

excuse me while I get back to the hot naked chick in my bed and sunday night football on my 60 inch flat screen.

If by "hot naked chick" you mean your hand and a jar of vaseline, don't let me keep you.

By the way, Carolina is up by a touchdown!

denverfan

Purple Hawk wrote:

vodka drinker, non-hunter from B-Lo. War the ban on Oran in Denver, and war jeff in vegas knowing where the line is, and blatently making it fuzzy.

learn to spell orien douche

jlew24asu

Hope&Anger wrote:

If by "hot naked chick" you mean your hand and a jar of vaseline, don't let me keep you.

By the way, Carolina is up by a touchdown!

jar of vaseline? thats the best you got? showing your age with a comment like that. I havent heard such a stupid comment since the summer of 89.


just for the record, we are on the same page with this toture stuff. even you, the raging liberal left wing bomb thrower that you are, believe toture is ok in certain situations granted the people involved take responsibility.

Hope&Anger

jlew24asu wrote:

jar of vaseline? thats the best you got? showing your age with a comment like that. I havent heard such a stupid comment since the summer of 89.

I was limited by your "hot naked chick" remark. That was somewhere around Porky's DCXXXII.

You really can dish it out, but completely fall flat in the taking it department.

sponger

I can always respect another person's opinion as long as its that person's opinion. But, when that person starts to drop names like it's the only way to justify what should or shouldn't be believed, then I just have a hard time believing that person really knows what is what.

It's not like we need some kind of torture expert on this to really understand what is going on. Water-boarding is a form of torture that simulates the process of being drowned. It's pretty simple. You either are or you aren't against it.

If a person wants to think it's unjust to induce talk through physical punishment, then that's that person's position. To try to back it up through an appeal to authory (ie the mentioning of such and such authorities on the matter) only goes to prove that the aforementioned person is incapable of formulating his/her own opinion.

Hope&Anger

sponger wrote:

I can always respect another person's opinion as long as its that person's opinion. But, when that person starts to drop names like it's the only way to justify what should or shouldn't be believed, then I just have a hard time believing that person really knows what is what.

It's not like we need some kind of torture expert on this to really understand what is going on. Water-boarding is a form of torture that simulates the process of being drowned. It's pretty simple. You either are or you aren't against it.

If a person wants to think it's unjust to induce talk through physical punishment, then that's that person's position. To try to back it up through an appeal to authory (ie the mentioning of such and such authorities on the matter) only goes to prove that the aforementioned person is incapable of formulating his/her own opinion.

So what do you suggest we base our opinions on? Our impressions of what waterboarding is? It's been clear from the posts on this thread that people don't know what waterboarding consists of.

And you may be satisfied with "either you're for it or you're against it." Great, that will do for you. Moral philosophers seem content to follow their intuitions about things like this. But I want to know WHY you're for it or WHY you're against it. And to be able to offer an explanation, people ought to argue about things like the effects of torture, whether it works, what the long term consequences are, etc. And I don't know how one answers those questions without doing some research.

I have been open about the sources I have consulted in thinking about the torture question. If someone wants to tell me that I've looked at the wrong things or that I should read something else, that's fine. But please don't condemn me for having actually read what experts have had to say about this question. Honestly, are we trying to stay in the dark?

denverfan

Hope&Anger wrote:

So what do you suggest we base our opinions on? Our impressions of what waterboarding is? It's been clear from the posts on this thread that people don't know what waterboarding consists of.

And you may be satisfied with "either you're for it or you're against it." Great, that will do for you. Moral philosophers seem content to follow their intuitions about things like this. But I want to know WHY you're for it or WHY you're against it. And to be able to offer an explanation, people ought to argue about things like the effects of torture, whether it works, what the long term consequences are, etc. And I don't know how one answers those questions without doing some research.

I have been open about the sources I have consulted in thinking about the torture question. If someone wants to tell me that I've looked at the wrong things or that I should read something else, that's fine. But please don't condemn me for having actually read what experts have had to say about this question. Honestly, are we trying to stay in the dark?

the experts you mention must be in disagreement..those experts who have demonstrated to me what this is all about has to do with a 20oz bottle of water and a rag of linen...any more than that is not authorized in the ACC.

denverfan

christ you make it sound as if susan smith were in charge of the drownings!