What about being locked in a cold cell and made to listen to Bon Jovi 24 hours a day?
What about wiping my ass with the Koran while the detainees are praying?
both the things have been used in Guantanamo (extremely loud rock music and pissing over the Koran, or tearing it apart) have been used in Guantanamo.
And, yes, strong emotional/psychological distress is considered as torture (example: a mock execution is torture).
both the things have been used in Guantanamo (extremely loud rock music and pissing over the Koran, or tearing it apart) have been used in Guantanamo.
And, yes, strong emotional/psychological distress is considered as torture (example: a mock execution is torture).
See I don't have a problem if the fuckers are cold and uncomfortable. I don't have a problem if they feel their religion is insulted. I don't consider either of those torture. I do have a problem with waterboarding, breaking fingers, electrocuting testicles, cigarette burns, etc... To me, the latter are forms of torture, the former are coersive interrogation techniques.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
See I don't have a problem if the fuckers are cold and uncomfortable. I don't have a problem if they feel their religion is insulted. I don't consider either of those torture. I do have a problem with waterboarding, breaking fingers, electrocuting testicles, cigarette burns, etc... To me, the latter are forms of torture, the former are coersive interrogation techniques.
See I don't have a problem if the fuckers are cold and uncomfortable. I don't have a problem if they feel their religion is insulted. I don't consider either of those torture. I do have a problem with waterboarding, breaking fingers, electrocuting testicles, cigarette burns, etc... To me, the latter are forms of torture, the former are coersive interrogation techniques.
Only for those given a fair trial, correct?
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
A terror suspect is any dark-skinned muslim that tries to board a plane.
Or your grandpa protesting the war.
I mean, Maher Arar was flying home to Montreal with a stop-over in New York where he was detained by U.S. Officials. He was deported from the U.S. to Syria where he was tortured for about a year. Then he was sent back to his comfy home in Canada.
It's fucking sick.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
everybody can write on wikipedia, also people without legal knowledges or with biased opinions. For real legal definition of "enemy combatant", look at here: http://hrw.org/backgrounder/usa/qna1006/
Definition of Unlawful Enemy Combatant
7. What is the definition of “combatant” under international law?
International humanitarian law (the laws of war) draws a distinction between “combatants,” defined as members of armed forces, and civilians. Civilians who are actively participating in hostilities can be treated as combatants. Deeming someone to be a combatant has important consequences: under international humanitarian law, combatants may be lawfully attacked and killed, and are subject to capture.
8. What is the definition of “unlawful enemy combatant” under the MCA and how does it comport with international law?
The MCA expands the definition of “combatant” to include those who have “purposefully and materially” supported hostilities against the United States, even if they have not taken part in the hostilities themselves, and even if they are arrested far from the battlefield. This turns ordinary civilians – such as a mother giving food to her combatant son, an individual who sends money to a banned group, or a U.S. resident who commits a criminal act unrelated to armed conflict – into “combatants” who can be placed in military custody and hauled before a military commission.
An additional – and circular – provision specifies that anyone who has been determined to be an “unlawful enemy combatant” by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal (the military boards convened to allow detainees at Guantanamo Bay to contest their status as combatants, called CSRTs) or “another competent tribunal” established by the president or the defense secretary is presumed to be an enemy combatant for the purposes of military commissions. This provision does not include any substantive criteria to guide the deliberations of such tribunals. And, notably, the definition of enemy combatant that has been used by the CSRTs at Guantanamo is even broader than the definition contained in the legislation, encompassing even the unknowing financier of a charitable arm of a terrorist organization. In at least one known case, a CSRT labeled a detainee an enemy combatant for precisely that reason.1
These definitions have essentially been invented by the administration and Congress. They have no basis in international law and undermine one of the most fundamental pillars of the Geneva Conventions – the distinction between combatants, who engage in hostilities and are subject to attack, and non-combatants.
9. Does the legislation authorize the indefinite detention of anyone who falls within its definition of “unlawful enemy combatant”?
The MCA does not explicitly address the question of detention. Yet in detaining persons as enemy combatants, the administration may point to the definition of unlawful enemy combatant under the MCA to try to justify who may be so detained.
Senators John McCain, John Warner, and Lindsay Graham – three of the primary authors of this legislation – have argued that this definition “simply establishes the jurisdiction of military commissions” and does not, in any way, authorize the arrest and indefinite detention of those who fall within this broad category.2 The legislation itself specifies that the definition of “unlawful enemy combatant” applies to the section of the U.S. code establishing military commissions.
1 Combatant Status Review Tribunal Transcript of Detainee ISN #229, U.S. Department of Defense, Set 4, Page 390, Released March 3, 2006, http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/detainees/csrt/.
2 John Warner, John McCain, Lindsay Graham, “Looking Past the Tortured Distortions”, Wall Street Journal¸ October 2, 2006.
while I would do far worse to these terrorists fucks, I do not think the goervnment should be doing this.
the flip side to water boarding, is it does not do any permant physical damage. it make you think you will drown. its a mind fuck. we arent cutting off fingers.
I do think it puts our captured soliders at risk of far worse toture. even though they would be and are totured anyway, we shouldnt stoop to that level.
when it comes to getting information on an immintant dirty bomb going off, then I think the people holding him should break the law and do whatever necessecary to get that info.
You wouldn't do a damn thing tough guy. You'd be in the corner crying for your mommy; So shut your fucking mouth.
You wouldn't do a damn thing tough guy. You'd be in the corner crying for your mommy; So shut your fucking mouth.
Why don't you guys get off jlew's back? I'm tired of watching all the personal stuff on here ... Everyone is being pissy and this place is going to get locked down again.
Have any of you actually seen this in action?...it's far less the crisis situation your making it out to be. I thought at first this sounded terrible, then had someone demonstrate exaclty what it was...not a big deal at all. I do the same thing to myself when I try getting rid of the hiccups
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity but they've always worked for me." Gonzo
'If my fuckin' ex-wife told me to take care of her dog while her and her new boyfriend went to Honolulu, I'd tell her to go fuck herself." -The Dude
the flip side to water boarding, is it does not do any permant physical damage. it make you think you will drown. its a mind fuck. we arent cutting off fingers.
It's a dunk tank, that's all. They sit the suspected terrorist on a little plank of wood over a big tub of water, and try to throw softballs at the target, and everyone has a great time. Hot dogs are grilled and then force fed to the detainees.
The fruit of their labor rewards them with the admissons of 30 of the detainees describing in detail how they participated in the assassination of JFK.
Have any of you actually seen this in action?...it's far less the crisis situation your making it out to be. I thought at first this sounded terrible, then had someone demonstrate exaclty what it was...not a big deal at all. I do the same thing to myself when I try getting rid of the hiccups
Wow! You must have some awesome hiccups.
I saw it last night on Olbermann. Some intelligence officer hired people to demonstrate on him. He had his hands shackled in front of him. They had him bent over backwards over a trough. His head was covered with some sort of tight-fitting shroud, with only his mouth exposed. One guy held his head down and just kept pouring water down his mouth and around his chin. Another guy holding him down was also pouring water all over this body. Between the two guys, he couldn't move at all.
I could hardly watch it.
When I get hiccups, I take tiny sips from a glass of water. But you must have some really macho hiccups if you have to do this.
"Things will just get better and better even though it
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I saw it last night on Olbermann. Some intelligence officer hired people to demonstrate on him. He had his hands shackled in front of him. They had him bent over backwards over a trough. His head was covered with some sort of tight-fitting shroud, with only his mouth exposed. One guy held his head down and just kept pouring water down his mouth and around his chin. Another guy holding him down was also pouring water all over this body. Between the two guys, he couldn't move at all.
I could hardly watch it.
When I get hiccups, I take tiny sips from a glass of water. But you must have some really macho hiccups if you have to do this.
and you think this is some terrible torture???
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity but they've always worked for me." Gonzo
'If my fuckin' ex-wife told me to take care of her dog while her and her new boyfriend went to Honolulu, I'd tell her to go fuck herself." -The Dude
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And, yes, strong emotional/psychological distress is considered as torture (example: a mock execution is torture).
www.amnesty.org.uk
See I don't have a problem if the fuckers are cold and uncomfortable. I don't have a problem if they feel their religion is insulted. I don't consider either of those torture. I do have a problem with waterboarding, breaking fingers, electrocuting testicles, cigarette burns, etc... To me, the latter are forms of torture, the former are coersive interrogation techniques.
Agreed. Acting like an ass is a poor tactic.
Agreed, more or less.
Only for those given a fair trial, correct?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_combatant
That's just crazy and dare I say it.....*ducks the flames*..... Nazi-like.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
please go on the record. thats funny. like this is some court room or something.
Holding so many people without charges or trials in these horrible conditions. sorry I didnt make that clearer, my fault.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
putting words in someones mouth works out well for you doesnt it.
lol! Nope but this place sure has the tendency to get us on edge, sometimes, so it's understandable.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I bet you have learned alot from me. keeping watching, you will learn more.
I'm at the edge of my seat!
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
its gonna be a wild ride
Or your grandpa protesting the war.
I mean, Maher Arar was flying home to Montreal with a stop-over in New York where he was detained by U.S. Officials. He was deported from the U.S. to Syria where he was tortured for about a year. Then he was sent back to his comfy home in Canada.
It's fucking sick.
http://hrw.org/backgrounder/usa/qna1006/
Definition of Unlawful Enemy Combatant
7. What is the definition of “combatant” under international law?
International humanitarian law (the laws of war) draws a distinction between “combatants,” defined as members of armed forces, and civilians. Civilians who are actively participating in hostilities can be treated as combatants. Deeming someone to be a combatant has important consequences: under international humanitarian law, combatants may be lawfully attacked and killed, and are subject to capture.
8. What is the definition of “unlawful enemy combatant” under the MCA and how does it comport with international law?
The MCA expands the definition of “combatant” to include those who have “purposefully and materially” supported hostilities against the United States, even if they have not taken part in the hostilities themselves, and even if they are arrested far from the battlefield. This turns ordinary civilians – such as a mother giving food to her combatant son, an individual who sends money to a banned group, or a U.S. resident who commits a criminal act unrelated to armed conflict – into “combatants” who can be placed in military custody and hauled before a military commission.
An additional – and circular – provision specifies that anyone who has been determined to be an “unlawful enemy combatant” by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal (the military boards convened to allow detainees at Guantanamo Bay to contest their status as combatants, called CSRTs) or “another competent tribunal” established by the president or the defense secretary is presumed to be an enemy combatant for the purposes of military commissions. This provision does not include any substantive criteria to guide the deliberations of such tribunals. And, notably, the definition of enemy combatant that has been used by the CSRTs at Guantanamo is even broader than the definition contained in the legislation, encompassing even the unknowing financier of a charitable arm of a terrorist organization. In at least one known case, a CSRT labeled a detainee an enemy combatant for precisely that reason.1
These definitions have essentially been invented by the administration and Congress. They have no basis in international law and undermine one of the most fundamental pillars of the Geneva Conventions – the distinction between combatants, who engage in hostilities and are subject to attack, and non-combatants.
9. Does the legislation authorize the indefinite detention of anyone who falls within its definition of “unlawful enemy combatant”?
The MCA does not explicitly address the question of detention. Yet in detaining persons as enemy combatants, the administration may point to the definition of unlawful enemy combatant under the MCA to try to justify who may be so detained.
Senators John McCain, John Warner, and Lindsay Graham – three of the primary authors of this legislation – have argued that this definition “simply establishes the jurisdiction of military commissions” and does not, in any way, authorize the arrest and indefinite detention of those who fall within this broad category.2 The legislation itself specifies that the definition of “unlawful enemy combatant” applies to the section of the U.S. code establishing military commissions.
1 Combatant Status Review Tribunal Transcript of Detainee ISN #229, U.S. Department of Defense, Set 4, Page 390, Released March 3, 2006, http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/detainees/csrt/.
2 John Warner, John McCain, Lindsay Graham, “Looking Past the Tortured Distortions”, Wall Street Journal¸ October 2, 2006.
www.amnesty.org.uk
Holy exaggeration, Batman.
You wouldn't do a damn thing tough guy. You'd be in the corner crying for your mommy; So shut your fucking mouth.
Why don't you guys get off jlew's back? I'm tired of watching all the personal stuff on here ... Everyone is being pissy and this place is going to get locked down again.
http://groups.msn.com/PearlJamNirvana/messages.msnw
Do you try to get banned? Didn't you go through this before with your first couple of posts?
Mind your own business. If he wants to be banned then more power to him. Stop trying to be his mommy. Jeez.
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Take your own advice, kid.
'If my fuckin' ex-wife told me to take care of her dog while her and her new boyfriend went to Honolulu, I'd tell her to go fuck herself." -The Dude
Whisky Drinker, Non-Hunter from Denver.
It's a dunk tank, that's all. They sit the suspected terrorist on a little plank of wood over a big tub of water, and try to throw softballs at the target, and everyone has a great time. Hot dogs are grilled and then force fed to the detainees.
The fruit of their labor rewards them with the admissons of 30 of the detainees describing in detail how they participated in the assassination of JFK.
I saw it last night on Olbermann. Some intelligence officer hired people to demonstrate on him. He had his hands shackled in front of him. They had him bent over backwards over a trough. His head was covered with some sort of tight-fitting shroud, with only his mouth exposed. One guy held his head down and just kept pouring water down his mouth and around his chin. Another guy holding him down was also pouring water all over this body. Between the two guys, he couldn't move at all.
I could hardly watch it.
When I get hiccups, I take tiny sips from a glass of water. But you must have some really macho hiccups if you have to do this.
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
-- EV, Live at the Showbox
is that so? seems like some ppl can't wait to jump the gun and automatically assume
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=219048
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
and you think this is some terrible torture???
'If my fuckin' ex-wife told me to take care of her dog while her and her new boyfriend went to Honolulu, I'd tell her to go fuck herself." -The Dude
Whisky Drinker, Non-Hunter from Denver.