Political Drama: Canadian Coalition of the Centre-Left

dignin

Songburst wrote:

Get your head out of your ass. This whole coalition is exactly the result of the personal agenda of a few men who were bitter at losing an election and now all Canadians get to suffer by this appearance of political instability. This whole situation is laughable -- all we can do is sit back and watch the politicians pat themselves on the back while the Canadian economy collapses at the hands of the Liberals and NDP yet again.

a few men????? The majority of this country did not vote conservative. The Conservatives did not win the election, they went into the election with a minority and last time i checked came out with one. In my books thats a loss for Canada for ramming this past election down our throats for nothing, then he has the nerve to go about his business like he got a majority. Ignoring most of Canada. Can you understand this???? ....which may be in doubt since its hard to hear when your own head is far up Harpers ass......

coachchris

Songburst wrote:

Get your head out of your ass. This whole coalition is exactly the result of the personal agenda of a few men who were bitter at losing an election and now all Canadians get to suffer by this appearance of political instability. This whole situation is laughable -- all we can do is sit back and watch the politicians pat themselves on the back while the Canadian economy collapses at the hands of the Liberals and NDP yet again.

Party Candidate Votes Vote Share (%) Status
Updated: Nov. 7, 2008 5:00 PM EST 229/229 polls
NDP Bruce Hyer 13,191 37.01 Elected
LIB Don McArthur 10,094 28.32
CON Bev Sarafin 9,567 26.84
GRN Brendan Hughes 2,460 6.90
MP Denis Carrière 328 0.92

Being from Thunder Bay (now living in a PC loving Alberta for 10 years) I thought I'd point out how Thunder Bay (where you are) voted in the past election. Clearly there are more then a "few men" who felt unhappy with a Conservative government.

Drowned Out

Songburst wrote:

Get your head out of your ass. This whole coalition is exactly the result of the personal agenda of a few men who were bitter at losing an election and now all Canadians get to suffer by this appearance of political instability. This whole situation is laughable -- all we can do is sit back and watch the politicians pat themselves on the back while the Canadian economy collapses at the hands of the Liberals and NDP yet again.

aw, muffin...a lil bitter? nice opening line...

Did you read my post a few before yours? Damn that didn't take long....economic collapse at the hands of the Libs and NDP, huh? :rolleyes:
Which party has presided over a 50% loss on the TSX? The economy is fucked no matter who is in power. Yes, political instability is a killer on the markets...but Harper could have avoided this situation, he is not blameless in this.

Songburst

coachchris wrote:

Party Candidate Votes Vote Share (%) Status
Updated: Nov. 7, 2008 5:00 PM EST 229/229 polls
NDP Bruce Hyer 13,191 37.01 Elected
LIB Don McArthur 10,094 28.32
CON Bev Sarafin 9,567 26.84
GRN Brendan Hughes 2,460 6.90
MP Denis Carrière 328 0.92

Being from Thunder Bay (now living in a PC loving Alberta for 10 years) I thought I'd point out how Thunder Bay (where you are) voted in the past election. Clearly there are more then a "few men" who felt unhappy with a Conservative government.

There are actually 2 elected NDP MPs here in Thunder Bay. And watch all the good that the NDP will do here - we just had the first week ever where every single pulp/paper and sawmill in the area were shut down. There's nothing wrong with being unhappy with the government, but igniting political instability (if you think that signing an agreement to form a government with separatists does not appear instable then you really need to give your head a shake) at a time when investors are extremely nervous about anything is a boneheaded move by some selfish people. I think that Bob Rae pulled the same crap here in Ontario back in the 80s if I'm not mistaken.

Songburst

yield6 wrote:

a few men????? The majority of this country did not vote conservative. The Conservatives did not win the election, they went into the election with a minority and last time i checked came out with one. In my books thats a loss for Canada for ramming this past election down our throats for nothing, then he has the nerve to go about his business like he got a majority. Ignoring most of Canada. Can you understand this???? ....which may be in doubt since its hard to hear when your own head is far up Harpers ass......

You do know that we are supposed to have elections every 3-5 years right? So basically you are telling me that we have a 2 party system here? What part of Canada has been ignored?

Songburst

Drowned Out wrote:

aw, muffin...a lil bitter? nice opening line...

Did you read my post a few before yours? Damn that didn't take long....economic collapse at the hands of the Libs and NDP, huh? :rolleyes:
Which party has presided over a 50% loss on the TSX? The economy is fucked no matter who is in power. Yes, political instability is a killer on the markets...but Harper could have avoided this situation, he is not blameless in this.

Muffin? What is this 1983?

The Canadian economy has been holding its own. The economic collapse will be at the hands of the Libs and NDP (and Bloc) -- wait and see. Dion was a lame duck who deemed himself unworthy of leading the Liberals. What kind of Prime Minister is he going to be -- all of a sudden he will be Captain Canada?

Thecure

Songburst wrote:

Muffin? What is this 1983?

The Canadian economy has been holding its own. The economic collapse will be at the hands of the Libs and NDP (and Bloc) -- wait and see. Dion was a lame duck who deemed himself unworthy of leading the Liberals. What kind of Prime Minister is he going to be -- all of a sudden he will be Captain Canada?

how can you say that the economy is holding its own when we have even teh conservatives (unlike what they were saying when they were running for re-election) saying we have problems.

exhausted

best scenario now is basically delay anything until the january budget. this coalition will be a shitshow and we'll be paying for it in taxes down the road. 30 billion in misdirected funds won't fix shit.

all four of these fuckers should be in a rocket to the moon. especially layton but i'm not giving harper a pass on anything. he was just as willing 4 years ago to get in bed with jack and gilles.

harper royally miscalculated. perhaps if he could have gotten over his ego for a second and realized the optics of what he was doing. timing is everything. he gambled and lost.

polaris

i can see the PR/propaganda machine continues to work on some people ... :rolleyes:

this is the reality of the situation:

Stephen Harper is not willing to work with the other parties to govern this country - all he's done while in power is continue to divide the country and rule with an iron fist.

Although clearly biased - I respect that the current electoral system put in a Conservative minority gov't. That means that they need to work with the opposition to run parliament. Not having a plan to deal with a global economic crisis is just plain irresponsible. The reality is that as a country, we are seeing the impacts fast - we can't wait until spring to make a plan. Anything the gov't does takes time to implement and to show results. What that plan should be is up for debate but doing nothing is flat out irresponsible.

Again - we would not be here if he was willing to work with the other parties.

polaris

exhausted wrote:

all four of these fuckers should be in a rocket to the moon. especially layton but i'm not giving harper a pass on anything. he was just as willing 4 years ago to get in bed with jack and gilles.

if i told you to lick my boots everyday - at what point would you tell me to fuck off? ... harper's been asking the other parties to lick his boots for the last 2 ...

exhausted

polaris wrote:

if i told you to lick my boots everyday - at what point would you tell me to fuck off? ... harper's been asking the other parties to lick his boots for the last 2 ...

i'm on your side man but i have nothing but unfettered comtempt for all of them.

i am no fan of harper. believe me. he baked this pie.

but i do feel, at this point, the best path is the reboot and see what happens with the january budget. not that harper deserves that reprieve.

anything else will be utter chaos.

polaris

exhausted wrote:

i'm on your side man but i have nothing but unfettered comtempt for all of them.

i am no fan of harper. believe me. he baked this pie.

but i do feel, at this point, the best path is the reboot and see what happens with the january budget. not that harper deserves that reprieve.

anything else will be utter chaos.

the thing is - it's not like the first time he's done this ... he's been doing this for 2 years ... great example was extending the war in afghanistan - call a meeting for that nite to vote without discussion and make it a motion of confidence ...

he has not shown any willingness to work with the other parties - so, what are we left with? ... although i think the division these events have and will cause are detrimental to the country - i say give the coalition a shot ... they for 1 better represent the views of the country ...

exhausted

i'd need to hear where the money goes before i can decide. but pretty much nothing will actually help my situation so haha it's all moot.

Thecure

polaris wrote:

i can see the PR/propaganda machine continues to work on some people ... :rolleyes:

this is the reality of the situation:

Stephen Harper is not willing to work with the other parties to govern this country - all he's done while in power is continue to divide the country and rule with an iron fist.

Although clearly biased - I respect that the current electoral system put in a Conservative minority gov't. That means that they need to work with the opposition to run parliament. Not having a plan to deal with a global economic crisis is just plain irresponsible. The reality is that as a country, we are seeing the impacts fast - we can't wait until spring to make a plan. Anything the gov't does takes time to implement and to show results. What that plan should be is up for debate but doing nothing is flat out irresponsible.

Again - we would not be here if he was willing to work with the other parties.

exactly, harper is a big phony. all this talk abotu having teh Bloc as a part of teh coalition is bullshit. when he was trying to get more seat in Quebec he backs down to Bloc. is this isi not teh same Pm that called Quebec a state. what bullshit.

polaris

Thecure wrote:

exactly, harper is a big phony. all this talk abotu having teh Bloc as a part of teh coalition is bullshit. when he was trying to get more seat in Quebec he backs down to Bloc. is this isi not teh same Pm that called Quebec a state. what bullshit.

the two-faced nature of Harper and Flaherty are what aggravates me the most ... the shit he is willing to spew to further his agenda annoys the hell out of me ...

granted most politicians are like that but his negative attack ads based on lies are particulary insightful ...

Kel Varnsen

polaris wrote:

he has not shown any willingness to work with the other parties - so, what are we left with? ... although i think the division these events have and will cause are detrimental to the country - i say give the coalition a shot ... they for 1 better represent the views of the country ...

The problem is none of the parties are willing to work together. I mean when the fiscal update came out, I didn't see any of the opposition parties offer up an alternative that they would vote for, they pretty much automatically went into bring down the government mode.

Plus I am not sure how this coalition represents the views of the country, since 30 percent of the members of it (who could form the new government) are for Quebec sovereignty. I am pretty sure 30 percent of the country is not for that.

polaris

Kel Varnsen wrote:

The problem is none of the parties are willing to work together. I mean when the fiscal update came out, I didn't see any of the opposition parties offer up an alternative that they would vote for, they pretty much automatically went into bring down the government mode.

Plus I am not sure how this coalition represents the views of the country, since 30 percent of the members of it (who could form the new government) are for Quebec sovereignty. I am pretty sure 30 percent of the country is not for that.

1. harper made it a confidence motion when he did not have to do that ... that is how he has done things for the last 2 years ... there is no room for alternatives or debates with him ... he basically said - vote for it or take down this gov't - that was his first order of business ... provide an economic update that had no plan for the economy but was filled with partisan bs ...

2. the bloc will always operate with the interests of quebec but sovereignty or separation is not something they can do as a federal party ... that is a provincial jurisdiction ... at the end of the day - it's not like they don't show up when the issues aren't related to quebecers - they vote accordingly on all the issues ... name me one issue outside of quebec as a nation where the libs/ndp don't share similar views with the bloc on ...

Thecure

Am i the only one here who believes that if this works Quebec would not want to move away from canada.

now i can't say the same thing about the west

polaris

Thecure wrote:

Am i the only one here who believes that if this works Quebec would not want to move away from canada.

now i can't say the same thing about the west

quebec is going nowhere ... especially if they elect a liberal majority in the upcoming provincial election ...

meme

billyruff wrote:

exactally !!

how can a party that only runs and has interests in one province be allowed to help control our country?

Harper flushed and we are all going round and round on the way down...

Northern League in Italy, Catalans in Spain... they can, even though they shouldn't.