I guess I am an Obama hater. And I guess that makes my choice McCain, not because I particularly like him. I liked him better in the 90s when he was raising hell.
Obama is an incredibly corrupt politician with very little experience that somehow increased his income TENFOLD in three years in the Senate.
His wife has more executive experience than he does.
He was one of the laziest Senators during his tenure in the Senate, missing over 1/3 of the votes. Too busy cashing out the teacher's fund and getting paid
Actually according to the washingtonpost.com, John McCain has the most missed votes in the senate right now. he has missed 63.3% in this congress.
it is true that Obama has missed 44% of the votes, but if you're going to talk about voting records...just sayin, McCain's record of missed votes isn't anything to brag about.
Oh so Obama has a following...yet you being one of his followers can't cough up one thing he as done to deserve it. Nice.
it sure is...
for your reading pleasure:
Political Career
It has been the rich and varied experiences of Barack Obama's life - growing up in different places with people who had differing ideas - that have animated his political journey. Amid the partisanship and bickering of today's public debate, he still believes in the ability to unite people around a politics of purpose - a politics that puts solving the challenges of everyday Americans ahead of partisan calculation and political gain.
In the Illinois State Senate, this meant working with both Democrats and Republicans to help working families get ahead by creating programs like the state Earned Income Tax Credit, which in three years provided over $100 million in tax cuts to families across the state. He also pushed through an expansion of early childhood education, and after a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Senator Obama worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases.
In the U.S. Senate, he has focused on tackling the challenges of a globalized, 21st century world with fresh thinking and a politics that no longer settles for the lowest common denominator. His first law was passed with Republican Tom Coburn, a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars is spent. He has also been the lead voice in championing ethics reform that would root out Jack Abramoff-style corruption in Congress.
As a member of the Veterans' Affairs Committee, Senator Obama has fought to help Illinois veterans get the disability pay they were promised, while working to prepare the VA for the return of the thousands of veterans who will need care after Iraq and Afghanistan. Recognizing the terrorist threat posed by weapons of mass destruction, he traveled to Russia with Republican Dick Lugar to begin a new generation of non-proliferation efforts designed to find and secure deadly weapons around the world. And knowing the threat we face to our economy and our security from America's addiction to oil, he's working to bring auto companies, unions, farmers, businesses and politicians of both parties together to promote the greater use of alternative fuels and higher fuel standards in our cars.
Whether it's the poverty exposed by Katrina, the genocide in Darfur, or the role of faith in our politics, Barack Obama continues to speak out on the issues that will define America in the 21st century. But above all his accomplishments and experiences, he is most proud and grateful for his family. His wife, Michelle, and his two daughters, Malia, 10, and Sasha, 7, live on Chicago's South Side.
You just made my point...you like Obama slightly better then McCain...
yet you are more or less campaigning for McCain by bashing Obama...
and to the other guy....Sorry...I am abroad...and I guess from talking to people..voting a black man would show that the United States lives up to the Ideals it says it has....
plus i think the guy has charisma, is smart as heck...and has a great idea on how to bring the united states back to the international community and the world which we isolated some 7 or so years ago.
and i dont remember you guys even asking me my opinions or if i like Obama...just that i was going with the masses huh? maybe you should get off our high horses....and stop labeling everyone who likes Obama, as someone who is just going with popular support.
and i am abroad right now....sorry...i get cnn international...that is what i will have to go on...
Where have I campaigned for McCain?? I support Nader/Gonzalez. It's right there in my sig...jeez.
You can in this thread supporting Obama and I have asked you what was so great about him...you didn't have much to say.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Oh my bad....I guess I dreamed up all these posts stating how Obama is the only realistic option despite not being what they'd like him to be on so many issues.
He's not the only option. But he is realistic. Nader, another option, isn't. That's a fact. I'm sorry if it bothers you, but that's not going to change. You can still vote for whomever you want.
And I must have dreamed up the whole concept of voting for the lesser of two evils....apparently I had no context to make the remarks I have...oops.
In the past, I know I've said that I'd like you to vote Obama. In a democracy, the more the better. But I don't think I've ever said you had to; and I don't think I've ever called you blind or deaf for not doing so. With you, though, it seems like it's always the first place you go.
It has been the rich and varied experiences of Barack Obama's life - growing up in different places with people who had differing ideas - that have animated his political journey. Amid the partisanship and bickering of today's public debate, he still believes in the ability to unite people around a politics of purpose - a politics that puts solving the challenges of everyday Americans ahead of partisan calculation and political gain.
In the Illinois State Senate, this meant working with both Democrats and Republicans to help working families get ahead by creating programs like the state Earned Income Tax Credit, which in three years provided over $100 million in tax cuts to families across the state. He also pushed through an expansion of early childhood education, and after a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Senator Obama worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases.
In the U.S. Senate, he has focused on tackling the challenges of a globalized, 21st century world with fresh thinking and a politics that no longer settles for the lowest common denominator. His first law was passed with Republican Tom Coburn, a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars is spent. He has also been the lead voice in championing ethics reform that would root out Jack Abramoff-style corruption in Congress.
As a member of the Veterans' Affairs Committee, Senator Obama has fought to help Illinois veterans get the disability pay they were promised, while working to prepare the VA for the return of the thousands of veterans who will need care after Iraq and Afghanistan. Recognizing the terrorist threat posed by weapons of mass destruction, he traveled to Russia with Republican Dick Lugar to begin a new generation of non-proliferation efforts designed to find and secure deadly weapons around the world. And knowing the threat we face to our economy and our security from America's addiction to oil, he's working to bring auto companies, unions, farmers, businesses and politicians of both parties together to promote the greater use of alternative fuels and higher fuel standards in our cars.
Whether it's the poverty exposed by Katrina, the genocide in Darfur, or the role of faith in our politics, Barack Obama continues to speak out on the issues that will define America in the 21st century. But above all his accomplishments and experiences, he is most proud and grateful for his family. His wife, Michelle, and his two daughters, Malia, 10, and Sasha, 7, live on Chicago's South Side.
yeah, this will fix our energy and economic issues...
Yeah, that really floored me...I mean there is just soooo much he has spoke on and is working on....
for about the 50th time... he authored a bill to end the war... it passed the house and senate and was veto'd by Bush... It was titled the Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007... hopefully you dont ignore this for the 51st time
On January 30, 2007, Barack Obama introduced the Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007 (S 433). The plan would have stopped the 2007 U.S. Troop Surge of 21,500 in Iraq, and would also have begun a phased redeployment of troops from Iraq with the goal of removing all combat forces by March 31, 2008.
He's not the only option. But he is realistic. Nader, another option, isn't. That's a fact. I'm sorry if it bothers you, but that's not going to change. You can still vote for whomever you want.
In the past, I know I've said that I'd like you to vote Obama. In a democracy, the more the better. But I don't think I've ever said you had to; and I don't think I've ever called you blind or deaf for not doing so. With you, though, it seems like it's always the first place you go.
I only say what I say when people keep saying how Obama is so great but never say why OR when people overlook things that have mattered to them in the past on this very board in order to offer unwaivering support for Obama on issues like the war, patriot act, fisa, blackwater etc...
So it appears it's not about the issues but rather popularity. And then we wonder why we get such shitty leaders? The only ones people will consider are the ones the corporations provide for you.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Actually according to the washingtonpost.com, John McCain has the most missed votes in the senate right now. he has missed 63.3% in this congress.
it is true that Obama has missed 44% of the votes, but if you're going to talk about voting records...just sayin, McCain's record of missed votes isn't anything to brag about.
they both suck! what a shocker!!
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
no offense, but you may want to take an extra math class or 2, or a statistics lesson or 2...
if you break it down by the # of actual contributions, which is what they are talking about when they speak about the amount of small contributions, then it shows they are absolutely correct... it isnt Obama fault $2000 donations add up quicker then $20 donations...
here i took the amount raised and divided it by the lesser amount in that bracket... check out what i found
$200-499 - $12,920,436 (divided by $200 = 64,602 donations)
$500-999 - $16,076,998 (divided by $500 = 32,153 donations)
$1,000-2,300 - $36,527,004 (divided by $1000 = 36,527 donations)
$2,300+ - $65,899,047 (divided by $2,300 = 28,651 donations)
$4,600+ - $11,148,741 (divided by $4600 = 2423 donations)
so as you can clearly see, the largest amount of donations have come in the form of small donations, by far.
In other words, there are more contributors of less then $500 then all of the contributors above $1,000 COMBINED
for a guy who preaches using statistics, you do not use it accurately at all. let me guess, you took a shitty stat class in high school 15 years ago, and now you think you can prove to everyone reading this that you know what you're talking about?
for $200-$499 contributions you do NOT divide by 200... that's the least amount of money and will give you a BIGGER number, which is what you want... you divide by the average which would be $325... same thing for all the other numbers... now, when it comes to the LAST number ($4600+) dividing by $4600 is just plain stupid because it gets you a huge number... didnt you see the OP?? many people donated hundreds of thousands, but you didn't include that at all... the top donors are a small group of people who will hold Obama's attention much more than your $770, my friend. sorry, but your logic is way off.
thanks for playing though, it doesn't hurt to try.
And that wasn't my point actually. If a person were going to use senate votes as a basis for consideration, and say McCain had voted more often the Obama in the current senate, that would not be a fair assessment. That was my point.
I am talking about money raised not the number of contributions. And for the last time...people have indeed said that most of Obama's money raised has came from small contributions and that is FALSE.
Are we clear?
exactly. the money total is what matters, no one gives a shit that people can donate $200. It's the big money that Obama really cares about, $77 mil came from people who donated over $2000... I think that means something here.... but if people (my2hands) choose to ignore it, then that's their own self-inflicted blindness coming into play.
for a guy who preaches using statistics, you do not use it accurately at all. let me guess, you took a shitty stat class in high school 15 years ago, and now you think you can prove to everyone reading this that you know what you're talking about?
for $200-$499 contributions you do NOT divide by 200... that's the least amount of money and will give you a BIGGER number, which is what you want... you divide by the average which would be $325... same thing for all the other numbers... now, when it comes to the LAST number ($4600+) dividing by $4600 is just plain stupid because it gets you a huge number... didnt you see the OP?? many people donated hundreds of thousands, but you didn't include that at all... the top donors are a small group of people who will hold Obama's attention much more than your $770, my friend. sorry, but your logic is way off.
thanks for playing though, it doesn't hurt to try.
wrong
think that over for a few minutes...no matter how you slice that pie, largest #, smallest #, average #... it all comes out that the same... the most amoubt of donationsa for obama have coem from small donations, just like every other political campaign in workd history
but its ok, i enjoy watching nader folks using fuzzy math to fith their aganda
by the way, on the "hiogh school shitty stats class" remark... your 18 right? just finished high school, hopefully? get back to me when you finish freshmen year dude
Myth: The Electoral College thwarts popular democracy
Liberal myth The Electoral College system means Presidents can be elected without majorities.
The facts Presidents rarely achieve popular majorities under the current system, but this problem would be magnified under direct elections.
A majority will rarely if ever agree on an ideal candidate in an open election
Individuals would fracture their votes across many candidates
If majorities were required, runoffs would proliferate, and Presidents would essentially be elected by minority of voters who got them into the runoff
Presidents would always know that at least 75 to 80 percent of the people originally voted for someone else
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
think that over for a few minutes...no matter how you slice that pie, largest #, smallest #, average #... it all comes out that the same... the most amoubt of donationsa for obama have coem from small donations, just like every other political campaign in workd history
lol... uh, it's not wrong. the number is significantly lower than you pointed out... 65 million divided by 3400 is a much lower number than 65 million divided by 2300... it makes a difference. that's how you ACCURATELY use statistics, so don't bother preaching your math skills man, that's how it is.
but this isn't even the point. I was just pointing out that you contradicted yourself. the entire point is the TOTAL amount of money, not just how many contributors there are.
by the way, on the "hiogh school shitty stats class" remark... your 18 right? just finished high school, hopefully? get back to me when you finish freshmen year dude
yeah dude, what, embarrassed that an 18 year old knows better math than you do? it's ok, I don't really give a shit, and I'm not trying to make fun of you for it, but if you want to use to argument that no one here is doing the math right, then atleast DO IT RIGHT YOURSELF.
and the process for electing our president is NOT democratic.
There is a little known group called the ELECTORAL COLLEGE,
and it is not democratic.
Little known? That's rich.
The process for electing our electors is democratic, i.e. the popular vote for each state determines where those electors go.
It's simply easier to type the word "democracy" than to type up the whole damn Constitution every time we discuss voting. Would it help if instead of "democracy" I used the phrase "democracy (lower case d)"?
says (in part) "these contributions can come from the organization's member or employees (or their families)" and can include "subsidiaries and affiliates".
So, if a large corporation has many subsidiaries and/or affiliates and thereby has many employees and those employees donate to the same candidate, they will be lumped into one category. I work for a large corporation, I'm sure it looks like my donations are "bundled" but they aren't.
I just don't see what the excitement is about. It seems kind of nit-picky to me. But maybe that's just me.
just a small, overlooked point eh?
i don't have a problem with who obama gets his donations from, large or small. so i don't have a problem with the 'money trail' as it were.
then again, most of my firm's major clients are on that list. nice to see them support the same candidate. quite honestly, if it's all about the $$$...i personally would think the likes of jp morgan and goldman sachs for example, would throw their corporate support behind mccain. but as anotherclone points out, these contributions can well come from their employess, not exactly the same thing. i work for a huge, global corporate firm, yet i don't have 'corporate interests.'
if this is an issue for others, so be it. it's not for me.
btw - quite possibly when it was said that obama got the bulk of his donations from smaller contributors and smaller amounts, perhaps AT THE TIME it was discussed, that was the case...and now it has since changed. donations are not a 'static' #. just sayin'. then again, i never really participated in any of those discussions so i can't accurately recall.
lol... uh, it's not wrong. the number is significantly lower than you pointed out... 65 million divided by 3400 is a much lower number than 65 million divided by 2300... it makes a difference.
exactly
if i used the higher # or the average it would show EVEN LESS BIG DONORS. i was trying to at least keep it fair by using the lowest # in the brackets... not to mention these brackets dont include contriburtuins of less then $200. i guess kabong wanted to kee those out of the equation, i wonder why? :rolleyes:
thanks for proving my point good friend
and believe me, with this shit your are spouting it is pretty obvious who is better at math, and it isnt you
i really have no idea why i even bother. Nader supporters are some of the most arrogant, naive, and simplistic political supporters i have ever seen. it really is amazing... OMG Obama raises money!!!!! OMG he is evil!!!! OMG employee's at American companies donate money to him!!!! OMG he is evil!!!!hahahahahahahaha :rolleyes:
if i used the higher # or the average it would show EVEN LESS BIG DONORS.
uhh.. which was one of my points, earlier... clearly you didn't care to actually read my post...
i was trying to at least keep it fair by using the lowest # in the brackets... not to mention these brackets dont include contriburtuins of less then $200. i guess kabong wanted to kee those out of the equation, i wonder why? :rolleyes:
I really don't understand what point you're trying to make...
thanks for proving my point good friend
what the fuck are you talking about? how in the world did I prove your point? your statistics were off. there are RULES in statistics. you don't "make it even" by how you choose to do it... :rolleyes:
and believe me, with this shit your are spouting it is pretty obvious who is better at math, and it isnt you
lol, ok, if that's what helps you sleep at night.
i really have no idea why i even bother. Nader supporters are some of the most arrogant, naive, and simplistic political supporters i have ever seen. it really is amazing... OMG Obama raises money!!!!! OMG he is evil!!!! OMG employee's at American companies donate money to him!!!! OMG he is evil!!!!hahahahahahahaha :rolleyes:
I only say what I say when people keep saying how Obama is so great but never say why OR when people overlook things that have mattered to them in the past on this very board in order to offer unwaivering support for Obama on issues like the war, patriot act, fisa, blackwater etc...
So it appears it's not about the issues but rather popularity. And then we wonder why we get such shitty leaders? The only ones people will consider are the ones the corporations provide for you.
I always think that Obama's campaign is the perfect example of the ends justifying the means - no matter what he does, it's just a case of something he has to do to get elected, or to keep other politicians onside. Even if it means signing away citizen's rights.
EDIT: Just thought I'd include this quote from Frankie Boyle, off Mock The Week: "Obama doesn't just appeal to black voters, who think he's gonna make some grand change to society... he also appeals to American white voters. Who think he's Tiger Woods."
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
Yeah, only a racist would vote for a person based on their skin color.
calling me a racist....honestly? has your arguement really digressed to this. Wow...
you now think i base my votes on skin color. i just think it would be pretty cool for someone to make it in this country that was not a rich old white man. I respect Obama...i think he is smart and would make a good leader. If that is the wrong reason to vote for someone...then i am wrong...but i will sleep at night, and will have voted for a person i was happy voting for.
you can support whoever you want. just please keep the negative threads to exactly 50/50, cause my point was that, if you are making threads bashing Obama all the time....you are essentially campaigning for McCain...cause this is a two person race whether you want to admit it or not. i appreciate your ideals...they are noble...but those were my points...
(and i dont dislike Nader...i just dont think he is a factor in this election...and i feel pretty confident in my assessment of that)
“Kept in a small bowl, the goldfish will remain small. With more space, the fish can grow double, triple, or quadruple its size.”
-Big Fish
my point was that, if you are making threads bashing Obama all the time....you are essentially campaigning for McCain...cause this is a two person race whether you want to admit it or not. i appreciate your ideals...they are noble...but those were my points...
(and i dont dislike Nader...i just dont think he is a factor in this election...and i feel pretty confident in my assessment of that)
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Actually according to the washingtonpost.com, John McCain has the most missed votes in the senate right now. he has missed 63.3% in this congress.
it is true that Obama has missed 44% of the votes, but if you're going to talk about voting records...just sayin, McCain's record of missed votes isn't anything to brag about.
it sure is...
for your reading pleasure:
Political Career
It has been the rich and varied experiences of Barack Obama's life - growing up in different places with people who had differing ideas - that have animated his political journey. Amid the partisanship and bickering of today's public debate, he still believes in the ability to unite people around a politics of purpose - a politics that puts solving the challenges of everyday Americans ahead of partisan calculation and political gain.
In the Illinois State Senate, this meant working with both Democrats and Republicans to help working families get ahead by creating programs like the state Earned Income Tax Credit, which in three years provided over $100 million in tax cuts to families across the state. He also pushed through an expansion of early childhood education, and after a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Senator Obama worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases.
In the U.S. Senate, he has focused on tackling the challenges of a globalized, 21st century world with fresh thinking and a politics that no longer settles for the lowest common denominator. His first law was passed with Republican Tom Coburn, a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars is spent. He has also been the lead voice in championing ethics reform that would root out Jack Abramoff-style corruption in Congress.
As a member of the Veterans' Affairs Committee, Senator Obama has fought to help Illinois veterans get the disability pay they were promised, while working to prepare the VA for the return of the thousands of veterans who will need care after Iraq and Afghanistan. Recognizing the terrorist threat posed by weapons of mass destruction, he traveled to Russia with Republican Dick Lugar to begin a new generation of non-proliferation efforts designed to find and secure deadly weapons around the world. And knowing the threat we face to our economy and our security from America's addiction to oil, he's working to bring auto companies, unions, farmers, businesses and politicians of both parties together to promote the greater use of alternative fuels and higher fuel standards in our cars.
Whether it's the poverty exposed by Katrina, the genocide in Darfur, or the role of faith in our politics, Barack Obama continues to speak out on the issues that will define America in the 21st century. But above all his accomplishments and experiences, he is most proud and grateful for his family. His wife, Michelle, and his two daughters, Malia, 10, and Sasha, 7, live on Chicago's South Side.
yeah, this will fix our energy and economic issues...
Where have I campaigned for McCain??
You can in this thread supporting Obama and I have asked you what was so great about him...you didn't have much to say.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
In the past, I know I've said that I'd like you to vote Obama. In a democracy, the more the better. But I don't think I've ever said you had to; and I don't think I've ever called you blind or deaf for not doing so. With you, though, it seems like it's always the first place you go.
Yeah, that really floored me...I mean there is just soooo much he has spoke on and is working on....
Here's some reading pleasure for yourself...
http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5521493&postcount=20
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
for about the 50th time... he authored a bill to end the war... it passed the house and senate and was veto'd by Bush... It was titled the Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007... hopefully you dont ignore this for the 51st time
On January 30, 2007, Barack Obama introduced the Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007 (S 433). The plan would have stopped the 2007 U.S. Troop Surge of 21,500 in Iraq, and would also have begun a phased redeployment of troops from Iraq with the goal of removing all combat forces by March 31, 2008.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_De-Escalation_Act
WE DON'T HAVE A FUCKING DEMOCRACY.
Look it up, goddamnit.
People have been BRAINWASHED by shitty public schools to believe this stupid assertion.
We have a fucking CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC.
Everyone should do their damnedest to try to learn about that,
before we totaly fucking lose it.
OUR FOUNDING FATHERS ABHORED DEMOCRACY!
They went to DELIBERATE PAINS to ENSURE that we DID NOT HAVE a DEMOCRACY!
THE WORD "DEMOCRACY" IS NOT MENTIONED ONE SINGLE TIME IN EITHER THE CONSTITUTION OR THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE! NOT ONCE!
heres a cute little blog-article on it.
:cool:
If I opened it now would you not understand?
So what makes a candidate realistic?
I only say what I say when people keep saying how Obama is so great but never say why OR when people overlook things that have mattered to them in the past on this very board in order to offer unwaivering support for Obama on issues like the war, patriot act, fisa, blackwater etc...
So it appears it's not about the issues but rather popularity. And then we wonder why we get such shitty leaders? The only ones people will consider are the ones the corporations provide for you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
they both suck! what a shocker!!
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
for $200-$499 contributions you do NOT divide by 200... that's the least amount of money and will give you a BIGGER number, which is what you want... you divide by the average which would be $325... same thing for all the other numbers... now, when it comes to the LAST number ($4600+) dividing by $4600 is just plain stupid because it gets you a huge number... didnt you see the OP?? many people donated hundreds of thousands, but you didn't include that at all... the top donors are a small group of people who will hold Obama's attention much more than your $770, my friend. sorry, but your logic is way off.
thanks for playing though, it doesn't hurt to try.
Did I miss Nader's votes?
And that wasn't my point actually. If a person were going to use senate votes as a basis for consideration, and say McCain had voted more often the Obama in the current senate, that would not be a fair assessment. That was my point.
Nader never married and is a practicing vegetarian.
I can't vote for someone who doesn't eat meat...:)
wrong
think that over for a few minutes...no matter how you slice that pie, largest #, smallest #, average #... it all comes out that the same... the most amoubt of donationsa for obama have coem from small donations, just like every other political campaign in workd history
but its ok, i enjoy watching nader folks using fuzzy math to fith their aganda
by the way, on the "hiogh school shitty stats class" remark... your 18 right? just finished high school, hopefully? get back to me when you finish freshmen year dude
so am i.
they are sort of interrelated.
and the process for electing our president is NOT democratic.
There is a little known group called the ELECTORAL COLLEGE,
and it is not democratic.
the electoral college expained
If I opened it now would you not understand?
but this isn't even the point. I was just pointing out that you contradicted yourself. the entire point is the TOTAL amount of money, not just how many contributors there are. yeah dude, what, embarrassed that an 18 year old knows better math than you do? it's ok, I don't really give a shit, and I'm not trying to make fun of you for it, but if you want to use to argument that no one here is doing the math right, then atleast DO IT RIGHT YOURSELF.
The process for electing our electors is democratic, i.e. the popular vote for each state determines where those electors go.
It's simply easier to type the word "democracy" than to type up the whole damn Constitution every time we discuss voting. Would it help if instead of "democracy" I used the phrase "democracy (lower case d)"?
just a small, overlooked point eh?
i don't have a problem with who obama gets his donations from, large or small. so i don't have a problem with the 'money trail' as it were.
then again, most of my firm's major clients are on that list. nice to see them support the same candidate. quite honestly, if it's all about the $$$...i personally would think the likes of jp morgan and goldman sachs for example, would throw their corporate support behind mccain. but as anotherclone points out, these contributions can well come from their employess, not exactly the same thing. i work for a huge, global corporate firm, yet i don't have 'corporate interests.'
if this is an issue for others, so be it. it's not for me.
btw - quite possibly when it was said that obama got the bulk of his donations from smaller contributors and smaller amounts, perhaps AT THE TIME it was discussed, that was the case...and now it has since changed. donations are not a 'static' #. just sayin'. then again, i never really participated in any of those discussions so i can't accurately recall.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
exactly
if i used the higher # or the average it would show EVEN LESS BIG DONORS. i was trying to at least keep it fair by using the lowest # in the brackets... not to mention these brackets dont include contriburtuins of less then $200. i guess kabong wanted to kee those out of the equation, i wonder why? :rolleyes:
thanks for proving my point good friend
and believe me, with this shit your are spouting it is pretty obvious who is better at math, and it isnt you
btw... newsflash... presidential candidates raise money
i really have no idea why i even bother. Nader supporters are some of the most arrogant, naive, and simplistic political supporters i have ever seen. it really is amazing... OMG Obama raises money!!!!! OMG he is evil!!!! OMG employee's at American companies donate money to him!!!! OMG he is evil!!!!hahahahahahahaha :rolleyes:
EDIT: Just thought I'd include this quote from Frankie Boyle, off Mock The Week: "Obama doesn't just appeal to black voters, who think he's gonna make some grand change to society... he also appeals to American white voters. Who think he's Tiger Woods."
calling me a racist....honestly? has your arguement really digressed to this. Wow...
you now think i base my votes on skin color. i just think it would be pretty cool for someone to make it in this country that was not a rich old white man. I respect Obama...i think he is smart and would make a good leader. If that is the wrong reason to vote for someone...then i am wrong...but i will sleep at night, and will have voted for a person i was happy voting for.
you can support whoever you want. just please keep the negative threads to exactly 50/50, cause my point was that, if you are making threads bashing Obama all the time....you are essentially campaigning for McCain...cause this is a two person race whether you want to admit it or not. i appreciate your ideals...they are noble...but those were my points...
(and i dont dislike Nader...i just dont think he is a factor in this election...and i feel pretty confident in my assessment of that)
-Big Fish
bingo
So,
did you EVER answer that question about if Iraq preemptively launched attacks on Israel's nuclear facilities?
:rolleyes:
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Answering questions? Pfffft
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde