Always support the person who will probably win...no matter about records or issues. It's important to follow the masses.
You do know that's how a democracy works, right? Most votes wins?
And you can continue to throw the "no matter about records or issues" all you want. We've heard it. At some point you'll realize they are your "issues," not ours.
no offense, but you may want to take an extra math class or 2, or a statistics lesson or 2...
if you break it down by the # of actual contributions, which is what they are talking about when they speak about the amount of small contributions, then it shows they are absolutely correct... it isnt Obama fault $2000 donations add up quicker then $20 donations...
here i took the amount raised and divided it by the lesser amount in that bracket... check out what i found
$200-499 - $12,920,436 (divided by $200 = 64,602 donations)
$500-999 - $16,076,998 (divided by $500 = 32,153 donations)
$1,000-2,300 - $36,527,004 (divided by $1000 = 36,527 donations)
$2,300+ - $65,899,047 (divided by $2,300 = 28,651 donations)
$4,600+ - $11,148,741 (divided by $4600 = 2423 donations)
so as you can clearly see, the largest amount of donations have come in the form of small donations, by far.
In other words, there are more contributors of less then $500 then all of the contributors above $1,000 COMBINED
thread over, please close it.
over $77MILLION from ppl giving over $2,300???
The point is that people say most of Obama's money comes from donations of under $200 and that is simply not the truth.
And why close the thread. What are you afraid of?....opensecrets? access to factual information??
Keep this thread open. It needs to be seen.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
honestly...while you try to rip apart a decent man, our country will probably elect another republican and continue on its war mongering ways.
take a step back...get a little perspective....
have you thought about what you are trying to accomplish? maybe get nader up to 2%...lol
and when McCain wins by 1%, will you feel like you changed the world?
i would say Obama will change the world a hell of a lot more then McCain...
wouldn't you? or do you honestly think anti-obama threads are gonna promote positive change in some way?
i guess...what i am asking is...who is your second choice for president, if say...something crazy happens and Nader doesnt win?
Do you get a cash prize for picking the winning candidate or something? Cos otherwise, I think it's pretty important to support the candidate who best represents your views, rather than just following the masses or voting out of fear or whatever.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
have you thought about what you are trying to accomplish? maybe get nader up to 2%...lol
and when McCain wins by 1%, will you feel like you changed the world?
wouldn't you? or do you honestly think anti-obama threads are gonna promote positive change in some way?
No, I don't see any 'change' in Obama. I think these threads bring to light the complete sham that the 2 major parties are. There is no opposition party for the people...only 2 corporate owned parties who work for the same basic things. Tell me where I am wrong.
Do you get a cash prize for picking the winning candidate or something? Cos otherwise, I think it's pretty important to support the candidate who best represents your views, rather than just following the masses or voting out of fear or whatever.
No...no cash prize...but you do get the person who wins who most accurately reflects your views. I dont think any politician represents anyones views 100%
voting with a bag over your head, in regards to reality i think is rather silly.
i am still wondering...who is your second choice all you Obama haters? is it really McCain? cause otherwise...you are helping McCain get elected...
“Kept in a small bowl, the goldfish will remain small. With more space, the fish can grow double, triple, or quadruple its size.”
-Big Fish
No...no cash prize...but you do get the person who wins who most accurately reflects your views. I dont think any politician represents anyones views 100%
voting with a bag over your head, in regards to reality i think is rather silly.
i am still wondering...who is your second choice all you Obama haters? is it really McCain? cause otherwise...you are helping McCain get elected...
Obama doesn't come even remotely close to best representing my views. We make our reality by our choices. I'm not letting others choices of which I view as misguided and wrong to affect my own choice. My vote will represent what I'd like to see in this country....not what the masses have decided for me. I make my own decisions.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
The point is that people say most of Obama's money comes from donations of under $200 and that is simply not the truth.
And why close the thread. What are you afraid of?....opensecrets? access to factual information??
Keep this thread open. It needs to be seen.
you obviosly dont get it... you are twisting things... PEOPLE HAVE TOUTED THE ACTUAL # OF SMALL CONTRIBUTIONS OBAMA HAS RECIEVED, WHICH IS RECORD BREAKING, NOT THE AMOUNT THAT THEY ADD UP TO
$2000 ADDS UP ALOT FASTER THEN $200
and see my post above about that 77 MILLION your are going crazy about... this is 5th grade math stuff here...
he has had 60,000 people donate less then $499 and only 2400 donate more then $4600. capiche?
You do know that's how a democracy works, right? Most votes wins?
And you can continue to throw the "no matter about records or issues" all you want. We've heard it. At some point you'll realize they are your "issues," not ours.
Where did I say my issues were yours?
I only recall posting about the issues and everyone clamming up or saying how he is the best we've got, lesser of two shitheads etc....
The most votes wins does not equal vote for who ever the masses are voting for no matter what.
We make up the masses and should start considering this vague notion of thinking for ourselves first one in a while instead of looking to others to see what is acceptable first.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I have. That's exactly why I'm not supporting Obama. Try taking your own advice.
How will voting for Obama change the world????
Again, tell me how.
No, I don't see any 'change' in Obama. I think these threads bring to light the complete sham that the 2 major parties are. There is no opposition party for the people...only 2 corporate owned parties who work for the same basic things. Tell me where I am wrong.
McKinney
1. Obama is decent in that he was one of the few to have the balls and integrity to vote Against the war in Iraq...and not make statements such as...we will be there for 100 years.
2. Voting Obama will change the world because it will show the world that the United States does not support the way we have acted over the last eight years under a republican government and president. It will show we want change. Whether you like it or not, it is a two person race. I know it...and so does the rest of the world. Just not you...
(yes...it would be better to have a 3rd party...but sadly...the history of this country does not support your dream)
3. Obama would reach out to the foreign community and end this ....we are better and smarter and richer and above you attitude that sadly the world has of us...which i think is pretty accurate.
4. Who is Mckinney? you really need to start choosing people who actually have a chance to win.
the whole world is rooting for Obama to win in the States....for CHANGE....
and yes...i feel the same way as you do that both parties are way to closely tied to corporations...
but i do have some perspective. Nader...McKinney...whoever else you like that 95% of the population has never heard of will not make a change. Obama would.
“Kept in a small bowl, the goldfish will remain small. With more space, the fish can grow double, triple, or quadruple its size.”
-Big Fish
As I already said....most of his money is not from $200 donations as previously claimed.
you dont get it... you continue to twist things to fit your point of view. peopel have been talking about his record # of small donations, not the amount.
but anyway, you have an agenda so have fun with that
No...no cash prize...but you do get the person who wins who most accurately reflects your views. I dont think any politician represents anyones views 100%
No, they don't. But if you don't think McCain or Obama are good candidates, why should you have to vote for one of them? Why not vote for a candidate you can honestly support?
says (in part) "these contributions can come from the organization's member or employees (or their families)" and can include "subsidiaries and affiliates".
So, if a large corporation has many subsidiaries and/or affiliates and thereby has many employees and those employees donate to the same candidate, they will be lumped into one category. I work for a large corporation, I'm sure it looks like my donations are "bundled" but they aren't.
I just don't see what the excitement is about. It seems kind of nit-picky to me. But maybe that's just me.
you obviosly dont get it... you are twisting things... PEOPLE HAVE TOUTED THE ACTUAL # OF SMALL CONTRIBUTIONS OBAMA HAS RECIEVED, WHICH IS RECORD BREAKING, NOT THE AMOUNT THAT THEY ADD UP TO
$2000 ADDS UP ALOT FASTER THEN $200
and see my post above about that 77 MILLION your are going crazy about... this is 5th grade math stuff here...
he has had 60,000 people donate less then $499 and only 2400 donate more
then $4600. capiche?
I am talking about money raised not the number of contributions. And for the last time...people have indeed said that most of Obama's money raised has came from small contributions and that is FALSE.
Are we clear?
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
No, they don't. But if you don't think McCain or Obama are good candidates, why should you have to vote for one of them? Why not vote for a candidate you can honestly support?
It's just as easy to say that thinking Obama's gonna bring change is having a bag over your head in regards to reality.
You wouldn't think it would be such a hard concept to grasp but alas...
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I only recall posting about the issues and everyone clamming up or saying how he is the best we've got, lesser of two shitheads etc....
The most votes wins does not equal vote for who ever the masses are voting for no matter what.
We make up the masses and should start considering this vague notion of thinking for ourselves first one in a while instead of looking to others to see what is acceptable first.
Can you answer the question of who you like more? Obama or McCain?
can you make your own decisions enough to answer that question?
“Kept in a small bowl, the goldfish will remain small. With more space, the fish can grow double, triple, or quadruple its size.”
-Big Fish
No, they don't. But if you don't think McCain or Obama are good candidates, why should you have to vote for one of them? Why not vote for a candidate you can honestly support?
It's just as easy to say that thinking Obama's gonna bring change is having a bag over your head in regards to reality.
Yeah, i guess this country voting a Black man president doesnt represent change...sorry..i must have a bag over my head....LOL
“Kept in a small bowl, the goldfish will remain small. With more space, the fish can grow double, triple, or quadruple its size.”
-Big Fish
When you claimed that I was sticking my fingers in my ears and ignoring all these things that make Obama less than "good." I'm not ignoring them. They just don't bother me.
I only recall posting about the issues and everyone clamming up or saying how he is the best we've got, lesser of two shitheads etc....
Then you are only recalling what fits your paradigm. I know the two of us have gone back and forth on this issue a number of times. Yet whenever it starts up again, I'm always hit with the "yer blind" remarks first, before the back and forth.
We make up the masses and should start considering this vague notion of thinking for ourselves first one in a while instead of looking to others to see what is acceptable first.
There you are, implying that I'm not thinking for myself because I'm not taking up your causes - your issues.
1. Obama is decent in that he was one of the few to have the balls and integrity to vote Against the war in Iraq...and not make statements such as...we will be there for 100 years.
McCain did not say we would fighting the war in Iraq for 100 years, only that we would keep bases their as long as our help is needed...just the same as we have in Korea and all over the place. Is Obama going to put an end to all of these bases?
2. Voting Obama will change the world because it will show the world that the United States does not support the way we have acted over the last eight years under a republican government and president. It will show we want change. Whether you like it or not, it is a two person race. I know it...and so does the rest of the world. Just not you...
(yes...it would be better to have a 3rd party...but sadly...the history of this country does not support your dream)
How will voting for Obama show any of what you just said? He record and plans say the exact opposite.
I'm not voting for someone who doesn't represent my principles...I don't care what is popular....maybe you should consider this too instead of looking for what others are doing before making your decisions.
3. Obama would reach out to the foreign community and end this ....we are better and smarter and richer and above you attitude that sadly the world has of us...which i think is pretty accurate.
and yes...i feel the same way as you do that both parties are way to closely tied to corporations...
but i do have some perspective. Nader...McKinney...whoever else you like that 95% of the population has never heard of will not make a change. Obama would.
Obama is not change....he represents the exact same things I've been railing against all these years on this board. Voting for him makes no sense.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I guess I am an Obama hater. And I guess that makes my choice McCain, not because I particularly like him. I liked him better in the 90s when he was raising hell.
Obama is an incredibly corrupt politician with very little experience that somehow increased his income TENFOLD in three years in the Senate.
His wife has more executive experience than he does.
He was one of the laziest Senators during his tenure in the Senate, missing over 1/3 of the votes. Too busy cashing out the teacher's fund and getting paid
When you claimed that I was sticking my fingers in my ears and ignoring all these things that make Obama less than "good." I'm not ignoring them. They just don't bother me.
Then you are only recalling what fits your paradigm. I know the two of us have gone back and forth on this issue a number of times. Yet whenever it starts up again, I'm always hit with the "yer blind" remarks first, before the back and forth.
You're absolutely right. And I'm not voting based on that. But that's always the first implication you make.
For example...
There you are, implying that I'm not thinking for myself because I'm not taking up your causes - your issues.
Oh my bad....I guess I dreamed up all these posts stating how Obama is the only realistic option despite not being what they'd like him to be on so many issues.
And I must have dreamed up the whole concept of voting for the lesser of two evils....apparently I had no context to make the remarks I have...oops.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
They are very close to being the same thing but Obama is slightly better than McCain but much worse than Nader, McKinney, Paul and others....
What's your point?
You just made my point...you like Obama slightly better then McCain...
yet you are more or less campaigning for McCain by bashing Obama...
and to the other guy....Sorry...I am abroad...and I guess from talking to people..voting a black man would show that the United States lives up to the Ideals it says it has....
plus i think the guy has charisma, is smart as heck...and has a great idea on how to bring the united states back to the international community and the world which we isolated some 7 or so years ago.
and i dont remember you guys even asking me my opinions or if i like Obama...just that i was going with the masses huh? maybe you should get off our high horses....and stop labeling everyone who likes Obama, as someone who is just going with popular support.
and i am abroad right now....sorry...i get cnn international...that is what i will have to go on...
“Kept in a small bowl, the goldfish will remain small. With more space, the fish can grow double, triple, or quadruple its size.”
-Big Fish
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And you can continue to throw the "no matter about records or issues" all you want. We've heard it. At some point you'll realize they are your "issues," not ours.
over $77MILLION from ppl giving over $2,300???
The point is that people say most of Obama's money comes from donations of under $200 and that is simply not the truth.
And why close the thread. What are you afraid of?....opensecrets? access to factual information??
Keep this thread open. It needs to be seen.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
yeah, I voted for bush, twice...:rolleyes:
I really wish I could look at nader's voting record in the senate or the house...oh, wait, I can't...
How is Obama decent? How is McCain not?
I have. That's exactly why I'm not supporting Obama. Try taking your own advice.
How will voting for Obama change the world????
Again, tell me how.
No, I don't see any 'change' in Obama. I think these threads bring to light the complete sham that the 2 major parties are. There is no opposition party for the people...only 2 corporate owned parties who work for the same basic things. Tell me where I am wrong.
McKinney
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
No...no cash prize...but you do get the person who wins who most accurately reflects your views. I dont think any politician represents anyones views 100%
voting with a bag over your head, in regards to reality i think is rather silly.
i am still wondering...who is your second choice all you Obama haters? is it really McCain? cause otherwise...you are helping McCain get elected...
-Big Fish
okay, now take a look at the $77MILLION from ppl giving over $2300??? that your are shitting your pants about...
$200-499 - $12,920,436 (divided by $200 = 64,602 contributions)
$2300+ - $77,047,778 (divided by $2300 = 33,499 contributions)
so again TWICE as many people have contributed $200-499 as contributed more then $2300...
simple math :rolleyes:
He has a mighty fine record of service towards this country, actually.
What has Obama done again??
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
So??
As I already said....most of his money is not from $200 donations as previously claimed.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Obama doesn't come even remotely close to best representing my views. We make our reality by our choices. I'm not letting others choices of which I view as misguided and wrong to affect my own choice. My vote will represent what I'd like to see in this country....not what the masses have decided for me. I make my own decisions.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
you obviosly dont get it... you are twisting things... PEOPLE HAVE TOUTED THE ACTUAL # OF SMALL CONTRIBUTIONS OBAMA HAS RECIEVED, WHICH IS RECORD BREAKING, NOT THE AMOUNT THAT THEY ADD UP TO
$2000 ADDS UP ALOT FASTER THEN $200
and see my post above about that 77 MILLION your are going crazy about... this is 5th grade math stuff here...
he has had 60,000 people donate less then $499 and only 2400 donate more then $4600. capiche?
Where did I say my issues were yours?
I only recall posting about the issues and everyone clamming up or saying how he is the best we've got, lesser of two shitheads etc....
The most votes wins does not equal vote for who ever the masses are voting for no matter what.
We make up the masses and should start considering this vague notion of thinking for ourselves first one in a while instead of looking to others to see what is acceptable first.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
1. Obama is decent in that he was one of the few to have the balls and integrity to vote Against the war in Iraq...and not make statements such as...we will be there for 100 years.
2. Voting Obama will change the world because it will show the world that the United States does not support the way we have acted over the last eight years under a republican government and president. It will show we want change. Whether you like it or not, it is a two person race. I know it...and so does the rest of the world. Just not you...
(yes...it would be better to have a 3rd party...but sadly...the history of this country does not support your dream)
3. Obama would reach out to the foreign community and end this ....we are better and smarter and richer and above you attitude that sadly the world has of us...which i think is pretty accurate.
4. Who is Mckinney? you really need to start choosing people who actually have a chance to win.
the whole world is rooting for Obama to win in the States....for CHANGE....
and yes...i feel the same way as you do that both parties are way to closely tied to corporations...
but i do have some perspective. Nader...McKinney...whoever else you like that 95% of the population has never heard of will not make a change. Obama would.
-Big Fish
you dont get it... you continue to twist things to fit your point of view. peopel have been talking about his record # of small donations, not the amount.
but anyway, you have an agenda so have fun with that
It's just as easy to say that thinking Obama's gonna bring change is having a bag over your head in regards to reality.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638
says (in part) "these contributions can come from the organization's member or employees (or their families)" and can include "subsidiaries and affiliates".
So, if a large corporation has many subsidiaries and/or affiliates and thereby has many employees and those employees donate to the same candidate, they will be lumped into one category. I work for a large corporation, I'm sure it looks like my donations are "bundled" but they aren't.
I just don't see what the excitement is about. It seems kind of nit-picky to me. But maybe that's just me.
I am talking about money raised not the number of contributions. And for the last time...people have indeed said that most of Obama's money raised has came from small contributions and that is FALSE.
Are we clear?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
You wouldn't think it would be such a hard concept to grasp but alas...
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Can you answer the question of who you like more? Obama or McCain?
can you make your own decisions enough to answer that question?
-Big Fish
Yeah, i guess this country voting a Black man president doesnt represent change...sorry..i must have a bag over my head....LOL
-Big Fish
You're absolutely right. And I'm not voting based on that. But that's always the first implication you make.
For example... There you are, implying that I'm not thinking for myself because I'm not taking up your causes - your issues.
McCain did not say we would fighting the war in Iraq for 100 years, only that we would keep bases their as long as our help is needed...just the same as we have in Korea and all over the place. Is Obama going to put an end to all of these bases?
And when did Obama vote against the war?????
How will voting for Obama show any of what you just said? He record and plans say the exact opposite.
I'm not voting for someone who doesn't represent my principles...I don't care what is popular....maybe you should consider this too instead of looking for what others are doing before making your decisions.
How will Obama end this?
You really should turn the tv off and consider looking into various alternatives when getting your news....really.
And so you're saying I should vote for who ever is popular despite me not agreeing with their platform and record? Why should I do that?
How is he going to change anything? How is he different from McCain?
Obama is not change....he represents the exact same things I've been railing against all these years on this board. Voting for him makes no sense.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Obama is an incredibly corrupt politician with very little experience that somehow increased his income TENFOLD in three years in the Senate.
His wife has more executive experience than he does.
He was one of the laziest Senators during his tenure in the Senate, missing over 1/3 of the votes. Too busy cashing out the teacher's fund and getting paid
They are very close to being the same thing but Obama is slightly better than McCain but much worse than Nader, McKinney, Paul and others....
What's your point?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
he had 200K show up to see him in another country...he beat out the "presumptive" democratic candidate in the primaries...
what kind of numbers is ralph pulling, 200...? and why can't he keep a party...why did the greens dump him...?
Oh my bad....I guess I dreamed up all these posts stating how Obama is the only realistic option despite not being what they'd like him to be on so many issues.
And I must have dreamed up the whole concept of voting for the lesser of two evils....apparently I had no context to make the remarks I have...oops.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Oh so Obama has a following...yet you being one of his followers can't cough up one thing he as done to deserve it. Nice.
Nader decided himself to run independent this year to tackle the issue of ballot access and fair elections.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Yeah, only a racist would vote for a person based on their skin color.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
You just made my point...you like Obama slightly better then McCain...
yet you are more or less campaigning for McCain by bashing Obama...
and to the other guy....Sorry...I am abroad...and I guess from talking to people..voting a black man would show that the United States lives up to the Ideals it says it has....
plus i think the guy has charisma, is smart as heck...and has a great idea on how to bring the united states back to the international community and the world which we isolated some 7 or so years ago.
and i dont remember you guys even asking me my opinions or if i like Obama...just that i was going with the masses huh? maybe you should get off our high horses....and stop labeling everyone who likes Obama, as someone who is just going with popular support.
and i am abroad right now....sorry...i get cnn international...that is what i will have to go on...
-Big Fish