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El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
edited July 2008 in A Moving Train
i keep hearing how most of obama's money comes from small donations, the average person giving $20 or so dollars....

according to the site below 55% are donations of over $200

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/donordems.php?cycle=2008


a better break down of amount is here
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/donordemCID.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638

amount donated - total amount received
$200-499 - $12,920,436
$500-999 - $16,076,998
$1,000-2,300 - $36,527,004
$2,300+ - $65,899,047
$4,600+ - $11,148,741


over $77MILLION from ppl giving over $2,300???


here's his top contributors
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638

Goldman Sachs $571,330
University of California $437,236
UBS AG $364,806
JPMorgan Chase & Co $362,207
Citigroup Inc $358,054
National Amusements Inc $320,750
Lehman Brothers $318,647
Google Inc $309,514
Harvard University $309,025
Sidley Austin LLP $294,245
Skadden, Arps et al $270,013
Time Warner $262,677
Morgan Stanley $259,876
Jones Day $250,725
Exelon Corp $236,211 (nuclear power company)
University of Chicago $218,857
Wilmerhale LLP $218,680
Latham & Watkins $218,615
Microsoft Corp $209,242
Stanford University $195,262

and his top industries
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/indus.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638


i see why obama has voted certain ways, watered down certain bills and told certain lies regarding nuclear power and the credit card/financial industry


plz note the difference between these 3 candidates and McCain's top industries and contributors w/ obama's

Dennis Kucinich
Top Industries:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/indus.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00003572
Top Contributors:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00003572

Ralph Nader
Top Industries:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/indus.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00000086
Top Contributors:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00000086

Ron Paul
Top Industries:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/indus.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00005906
Top Contributors:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00005906

John McCain
Top Industries:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/indus.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00006424
Top Contributors:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00006424
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
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  • Urban HikerUrban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    The differences are astounding.

    Obama is getting massive dollars in contributions from corporations and institutions. More even than McCain.



    **Side note: I like that Kucinich received $4,450 from Larry Flynt Publications. I know Larry Flynt is big on the 1st Amendment, but seeing his name still makes me giggle. :p
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    I'm sure all those corps will be cool when bammer pulls out his big ol change card and starts flappin it around.
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    a spade ~ ani difranco

    i will not lie down
    on the wrongful groundwork laid
    while it's still a radical sound
    just to call a spade a spade
    dear friends, women and men
    please check my math once more
    in the totality of all war's history
    there's but one common denominator

    the answer is in the intention
    that lies behind the question
    put that on your standardized multiple choice
    i mean, how's this supposed to look to me?
    but half of divinity
    out there trying to make harmony
    with only one voice

    you know, i've got experience
    looking right past the obvious
    and i know what is so big and so close
    is always the hardest stuff
    for us to reckon with
    the hardest stuff to know
    dear friends, especially the women
    tell me are you up to the task
    of turning the wheel of human history
    at long last

    the answer is in the intention
    that lies behind the question
    put that on your standardized multiple choice
    i mean, how's this supposed to look to me?
    but half of divinity
    out there trying to make harmony
    with only one voice

    i will not lie down
    on the wrongful groundwork laid
    while it's still a radical sound
    just to call a spade a spade
    dear friends, women and men
    what better time to face
    that we've been looking for
    the answer to war
    in the wrong place
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    When Obama gets donations from corporations it makes him corporate. When Paul gets them from white supremacists -- "ya gotta take it where you can get it."
    I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    When Obama gets donations from corporations it makes him corporate. When Paul gets them from white supremacists -- "ya gotta take it where you can get it."


    and when obama takes all that money and then favors them w/ his support it's a huge conflict of interest not to mention pandering

    where did i say anything about ron paul taking money from white supremacists? i think you replied to the wrong thread?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    When Obama gets donations from corporations it makes him corporate. When Paul gets them from white supremacists -- "ya gotta take it where you can get it."


    Because we've all seen how Ron Paul has shaped his support around the money he supposedly gets from white supremacists and we have all seen evidence of this during his time in office, oh wait....
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    El_Kabong wrote:
    and when obama takes all that money and then favors them w/ his support it's a huge conflict of interest not to mention pandering

    where did i say anything about ron paul taking money from white supremacists? i think you replied to the wrong thread?

    I replied to the right thread. There was a Paul taking money from a white supremacist thread a while back. The general tone was that it was OK..."gotta take the money from where you can get it." I replied having no recollection of your position on it (if you had one). Just the general tone what a hypocrite Obama is as opposed to Ron Paul.
    I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Because we've all seen how Ron Paul has shaped his support around the money he supposedly gets from white supremacists and we have all seen evidence of this during his time in office, oh wait....


    <checks posting schedule set forth by wanna be dictators of this board>

    damn it, abook, it's clearly not your time to post!!!! you're gonna get us in trouble!! :eek:
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    I replied to the right thread. There was a Paul taking money from a white supremacist thread a while back. The general tone was that it was OK..."gotta take the money from where you can get it." I replied having no recollection of your position on it (if you had one). Just the general tone what a hypocrite Obama is as opposed to Ron Paul.


    for one thing ron paul didn't campaign for at least a year as not dealing w/ lobbyists, not taking their money, 'won't give them a job in his white house!!!' oppps i mean 'won't dominate his white house'....

    also, i haven't seen any evidence of ron paul being bought by white supremacists
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    El_Kabong wrote:
    <checks posting schedule set forth by wanna be dictators of this board>

    damn it, abook, it's clearly not your time to post!!!! you're gonna get us in trouble!! :eek:


    Oh fucking well.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Bump for a good thread
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    El_Kabong wrote:
    1. Goldman Sachs $571,330
    3. UBS AG $364,806
    4. JPMorgan Chase & Co $362,207
    5. Citigroup Inc $358,054
    7. Lehman Brothers $318,647

    This IS Wall Street.

    JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Lehman Brothers, and Goldman Sachs are all alleged major shareholders in the Federal Reserve, with Citi and JP Morgan being confirmed by a NY Times ownership list from the 1980s.

    UBS is the second largest bank in europe, and is THE largest private capital management firm in the world.

    If this doesn't scream BOUGHT AND SOLD, i don't know what does.

    :cool:
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    thanks for this...

    this makes me fearful that nader will become a shill for the Salon and Styling industry, as well as the Frozen Dinner and Food industry...

    something to think about...
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    inmytree wrote:
    thanks for this...

    this makes me fearful that nader will become a shill for the Salon and Styling industry, as well as the Frozen Dinner and Food industry...

    something to think about...


    I know, I know...nothing about your precious Obama will ever cause you to stray. Faithful, we all believe.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I know, I know...nothing about your precious Obama will ever cause you to stray. Faithful, we all believe.

    If I find a better option..I'll stray...at the moment, I don't see one...

    sorry...
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    inmytree wrote:
    If I find a better option..I'll stray...at the moment, I don't see one...

    sorry...

    Yep, no better options out there other than a bought and sold career politician.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    i have dontated $770 to the Obama campaign so far.. so where does that put me?
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    El_Kabong wrote:

    amount donated - total amount received
    $200-499 - $12,920,436
    $500-999 - $16,076,998
    $1,000-2,300 - $36,527,004
    $2,300+ - $65,899,047
    $4,600+ - $11,148,741


    over $77MILLION from ppl giving over $2,300???


    here is a newsflash... there are Obama art prints going for more then $2300 on Ebay as we speak... so i wouldnt be that shocked that people are willing to donate a few $K to his campaign...
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    my2hands wrote:
    i have dontated $770 to the Obama campaign so far.. so where does that put me?


    Extremely faaaar behind Goldman Sachs. I wonder who Obama will be the most concerned about working for? Hmmm, such a toughie.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • RainDogRainDog Posts: 1,824
    Thank God. I was worried he wouldn't be able to make it through the General on only small donations. Now that I see he has ample funding on top of the record breaking small donations, I feel a little better.
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Yep, no better options out there other than a bought and sold career politician.

    yep...
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    RainDog wrote:
    Thank God. I was worried he wouldn't be able to make it through the General on only small donations. Now that I see he has ample funding on top of the record breaking small donations, I feel a little better.


    The usual response....'Nothing about Obama will ever cause me to raise an eyebrow or give a crap.' *sticks fingers back in ears...lalalalalalala*
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    inmytree wrote:
    yep...

    Gee, I wonder why things never change in this country and instead only continue to get worse? What could be the cause of it?....let me think...
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • RainDogRainDog Posts: 1,824
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    The usual response....Nothing about Obama will ever cause me to raise an eyebrow or give a crap.' *sticks fingers back in ears...lalalalalalala*
    I'm sorry. Was the OP something different this time?
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    RainDog wrote:
    I'm sorry. Was the OP something different this time?


    I guess not
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Gee, I wonder why things never change in this country and instead only continue to get worse? What could be the cause of it?....let me think...

    it's my fault because I don't support a 4 time loser...

    feel free to blame the ills of the world on me...
  • THCTHC Posts: 525
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I know, I know...nothing about your precious Obama will ever cause you to stray. Faithful, we all believe.


    honestly...while you try to rip apart a decent man, our country will probably elect another republican and continue on its war mongering ways.

    take a step back...get a little perspective....

    have you thought about what you are trying to accomplish? maybe get nader up to 2%...lol
    and when McCain wins by 1%, will you feel like you changed the world?

    i would say Obama will change the world a hell of a lot more then McCain...

    wouldn't you? or do you honestly think anti-obama threads are gonna promote positive change in some way?

    i guess...what i am asking is...who is your second choice for president, if say...something crazy happens and Nader doesnt win?
    “Kept in a small bowl, the goldfish will remain small. With more space, the fish can grow double, triple, or quadruple its size.”
    -Big Fish
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    El_Kabong wrote:
    i keep hearing how most of obama's money comes from small donations, the average person giving $20 or so dollars....

    according to the site below 55% are donations of over $200



    amount donated - total amount received
    $200-499 - $12,920,436
    $500-999 - $16,076,998
    $1,000-2,300 - $36,527,004
    $2,300+ - $65,899,047
    $4,600+ - $11,148,741


    no offense, but you may want to take an extra math class or 2, or a statistics lesson or 2...

    if you break it down by the # of actual contributions, which is what they are talking about when they speak about the amount of small contributions, then it shows they are absolutely correct... it isnt Obama fault $2000 donations add up quicker then $20 donations...

    here i took the amount raised and divided it by the lesser amount in that bracket... check out what i found

    $200-499 - $12,920,436 (divided by $200 = 64,602 donations)
    $500-999 - $16,076,998 (divided by $500 = 32,153 donations)
    $1,000-2,300 - $36,527,004 (divided by $1000 = 36,527 donations)
    $2,300+ - $65,899,047 (divided by $2,300 = 28,651 donations)
    $4,600+ - $11,148,741 (divided by $4600 = 2423 donations)

    so as you can clearly see, the largest amount of donations have come in the form of small donations, by far.

    In other words, there are more contributors of less then $500 then all of the contributors above $1,000 COMBINED





    thread over, please close it.
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    inmytree wrote:
    it's my fault because I don't support a 4 time loser...

    feel free to blame the ills of the world on me...


    Always support the person who will probably win...no matter about records or issues. It's important to follow the masses.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • THCTHC Posts: 525
    that post is for both of you btw
    “Kept in a small bowl, the goldfish will remain small. With more space, the fish can grow double, triple, or quadruple its size.”
    -Big Fish
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