the only thing i see black and white is how pretty much everyone on my side can admit both sides are doing wrong while the other side can't (w/ very few exceptions)
Not sure what to say other than I think that statement is complete bullshit. You said in your own post 'on my side'. Black and white.
Not sure what to say other than I think that statement is complete bullshit. You said in your own post 'on my side'. Black and white.
I think it is pretty obvious he meant the left seeing as how the left are usually the ones more sympathic with the Arabs and their cause.
The problem we have is the far over played reaction from Israel. We don't think hezbollah should bomb the fuck out of anyone and we don't want them to kill anyone. But we can see how the arabs have a need to defend themselves or be completely ran over. What do you think of the continual theft of these Arabs territory? Do they have the right to exist? They are the ones constantly losing ground and having homes mowed down. What kind of reaction would you expect from them? Do you even care? Are they supposed to allow themselves to be completely exterminated?
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I think it is pretty obvious he meant the left seeing as how the left are usually the ones more sympathic with the Arabs and their cause.
The problem we have is the far over played reaction from Israel. We don't think hezbollah should bomb the fuck out of anyone and we don't want them to kill anyone. But we can see how the arabs have a need to defend themselves or be completely ran over. What do you think of the continual theft of these Arabs territory? Do they have the right to exist? They are the ones constantly losing ground and having homes mowed down. What kind of reaction would you expect from them? Do you even care? Are they supposed to allow themselves to be completely exterminated?
Good post that is where my frustration lies...some on here fail to realize that people that sympathize with Arabs (not the fundamentalists) do because there story is never known....the pro-Israeli on here can only say it was justified and deserved and then they wonder to themselves why the hell these radicals keep bombing them....its frustrating....you defend someone and you get labelled when all one is doing is trying to get the view of the other group across because that story is never told...instead it is blanketed by the acts of Islam nuts where the heart break of real citizens that want to live is ignored...
I wish the obviously pro-Israel group will realize that their stories are also blanketed as well and underneath lies atrocities just as great as any radical nut supporting Allah....they will fail to admit that....and there lies the frustration for me
I choose to be neutral and believe in the intelligent road (one filled with diplomacy) than the barbaric path that will only breed a new generation of hate (on both sides)....
that is nonesense, we dont need to demonise that arab side, they do that well enough for them selves
is there really a moral equivilant, between the arrabs who deliberatlly target inocent civillians and the israeli's who target terrorist?
Are you living in some strange alternate universe, or are you just as deluded as you sound?
Total dead and wounded in Lebanon and Israel over the past five days:
Israeli Military killed: 12
Israeli Civilians killed: 12
Lebanese Army: 34
Lebanese civilians: 203 (that's SIX ordinary people killed by Israel for every one militant)
Oh, and incidentally, just in case you think that Israel is really targetting the Hizbollah terrorists:
Number of Hizbollah militants killed by the Israeli army (for the sake of those 203 civilians): 1
so, what was that again about arabs targeting civilians, and israelis targetting terrorists?
Who's really talking nonsense?
source: The Guardian, June 18th
93: Slane
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
I choose to be neutral and believe in the intelligent road (one filled with diplomacy) than the barbaric path that will only breed a new generation of hate (on both sides)....
I also agree with this approach (diplomacy) but I do not think it should include more taken livelihood from the Arabs. I believe their suffering should be told and known by everyone. We have every channel on tv for the pro Israel side. The Arab's story needs to be told as well. It doesn't, for one second, mean I support one group's murderous actions over the other.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Are you living in some strange alternate universe, or are you just as deluded as you sound?
Total dead and wounded in Lebanon and Israel over the past five days:
Israeli Military killed: 12
Israeli Civilians killed: 12
Lebanese Army: 34
Lebanese civilians: 203 (that's SIX ordinary people killed by Israel for every one militant)
Oh, and incidentally, just in case you think that Israel is really targetting the Hizbollah terrorists:
Number of Hizbollah militants killed by the Israeli army (for the sake of those 203 civilians): 1
so, what was that again about arabs targeting civilians, and israelis targetting terrorists?
Who's really talking nonsense?
source: The Guardian, June 18th
The Israeli's are using this to settle old scores, it's they that are escalating this, the blind defence by the US is sickening...
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Troubled souls unite, we got ourselves tonight...
Astoria, Dublin, Reading 06
Katowice, Wembley 07
SBE, Manchester, O2 09
Hyde Park 10
Manchester 1&2 12
This is just g'bye for now...
The Israeli's are using this to settle old scores, it's they that are escalating this, the blind defence by the US is sickening...
So true. This works to the favour of so many elites, and the general public can see it but can't do anything about it. Dead civilians are simply another byproduct of power struggles going on at higher levels that have nothing to do with ensuring peace or security, or even democracy, and certainly have nothing whatsoever to do with the welfare of the ordinary people who are subject to, and dependent on, those elites.
93: Slane
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
Are you living in some strange alternate universe, or are you just as deluded as you sound?
Total dead and wounded in Lebanon and Israel over the past five days:
Israeli Military killed: 12
Israeli Civilians killed: 12
Lebanese Army: 34
Lebanese civilians: 203 (that's SIX ordinary people killed by Israel for every one militant)
Oh, and incidentally, just in case you think that Israel is really targetting the Hizbollah terrorists:
Number of Hizbollah militants killed by the Israeli army (for the sake of those 203 civilians): 1
so, what was that again about arabs targeting civilians, and israelis targetting terrorists?
Who's really talking nonsense?
source: The Guardian, June 18th
This is confirmed by al-jazeera aswell. Also, "Hezbollah also announced that one of its fighters was killed in fighting with Israeli forces near the border." so, no Hezbollah have been victim of bombings. That one soldier was killed in ground combat.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
This is confirmed by al-jazeera aswell. Also, "Hezbollah also announced that one of its fighters was killed in fighting with Israeli forces near the border." so, no Hezbollah have been victim of bombings. That one soldier was killed in ground combat.
Oops. Be careful about saying al-Jazeera confirmed it - you'll just have people jumping in and dismissing it out of hand then, saying "they're just terrorist sympathisers and evildoers and whatnot, and you can't trust what they say." just like that nifty little swipe at "Chomkyism" earlier. I love how, by making a snide, but entirely vacuous, reference to something they don't agree with, some people can feel like thy've just undermined your whole argument - missing the point that those sources they dismiss so readily by kneejerk reaction, are generally far, far, far more qualified to make and defend their point, than they themselves are. And just so as not to appear biased, those people exist on both sides of the divide. I think Michael Moore's as much an expert at snide dismissal as those who just think "chomsky's bad, mmmkay?", "al-jazeera's bad, mmmkay?"
Why am I talking about this? Hmmm... random rant. Sorry. thanks for the corroboration, Ahnimus.
93: Slane
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
This is a tough situation, I am not anti-Jew and I am certainly not anti-Palestine. I know that Hamas does not represent all of Palestine and that if I was a Palestininian I would be sick and tired of being pushed around by Israel. The flip side? If I was an Israeli I would be sick and tired of having innocent people being blown up by Suicide Bombers...I dont think Israel was right in pulling out a full scale war against Palestine for them kidnapping two of their soldiers...that was complete bullshit.
War and tyranny suck.
>>>>
>
...a lover and a fighter.
"I'm at least half a bum" Rocky Balboa
...I dont think Israel was right in pulling out a full scale war against Palestine for them kidnapping two of their soldiers...that was complete bullshit.
War and tyranny suck.
hammas in gaza kidnapped 1 israeli soldier
hezbollah crossed into israel to kidnap 2 israeli soldiers and kill 8
This is a tough situation, I am not anti-Jew and I am certainly not anti-Palestine. I know that Hamas does not represent all of Palestine and that if I was a Palestininian I would be sick and tired of being pushed around by Israel. The flip side? If I was an Israeli I would be sick and tired of having innocent people being blown up by Suicide Bombers...
I dont think Israel was right in pulling out a full scale war against Palestine for them kidnapping two of their soldiers...that was complete bullshit.
Particularly when, what we haven't heard too much about, was that it was in response to the kidnapping by Israel of two Palestinian civilians, a far more serious crime than abducting military personnel and a potential war crime....
93: Slane
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
Couldn't agree more... Particularly when, what we haven't heard too much about, was that it was in response to he kidnapping by Israel of two Palestinian civilians, a far more serious crime than abducting military personnel and a potential war crime....
Oops. Be careful about saying al-Jazeera confirmed it - you'll just have people jumping in and dismissing it out of hand then, saying "they're just terrorist sympathisers and evildoers and whatnot, and you can't trust what they say." just like that nifty little swipe at "Chomkyism" earlier. I love how, by making a snide, but entirely vacuous, reference to something they don't agree with, some people can feel like thy've just undermined your whole argument - missing the point that those sources they dismiss so readily by kneejerk reaction, are generally far, far, far more qualified to make and defend their point, than they themselves are. And just so as not to appear biased, those people exist on both sides of the divide. I think Michael Moore's as much an expert at snide dismissal as those who just think "chomsky's bad, mmmkay?", "al-jazeera's bad, mmmkay?"
Why am I talking about this? Hmmm... random rant. Sorry. thanks for the corroboration, Ahnimus.
Yea, sorry. I don't think al-jazeera is bias. Michael Moore, he is just soaking up the profits from his movies, I doubt the guy actually cares about anything else. Noam Chomsky seems like a bright fellow, but I tend to look at documents and news more than listen to people talk about them.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
The Lebanese group said on Wednesday that it had captured the pair to secure the release of detainees held in Israeli prisons.
yes and i responded to someone who said israel kidnapped two civililians, the article never once states israel kidnapped anyone, just that hezbollah instigated the attack in order to perform a prisoner swap, well sucks for them it backfired in their face, israel doesn't negotiate with terrorists.
Your headline is disgusting, demagogic and most of all - pointless. What did you try to say, that our lifes worth less than otheres because of Israel's actions? That we deserve to die? What's with all of this contempt & disrespect?!? We are also burying people today!
That may be so, but there are no where near as many Isareli deaths. I feel for the loss of your citizens too...however these attack by Isael on Lebanon were suppose to only be for the Hezbollah troops that are on the border, yet the bombs are hitting all over the country and they were also only suppose to be to Hezbollah, yet it is the citizens geting killed.
Lebanon is weak right now while trying to become democratic. Israel bombing them is like a 13 yr old kid beating the hell out of a 5 year old.
It is shamful and I think you know this deep down inside.
just that hezbollah instigated the attack in order to perform a prisoner swap, well sucks for them it backfired in their face, israel doesn't negotiate with terrorists.
Israel and Hezbollah have echanged prisoners three times in the last 10 years.
That may be so, but there are no where near as many Isareli deaths. I feel for the loss of your citizens too...however these attack by Isael on Lebanon were suppose to only be for the Hezbollah troops that are on the border, yet the bombs are hitting all over the country and they were also only suppose to be to Hezbollah, yet it is the citizens geting killed.
Lebanon is weak right now while trying to become democratic. Israel bombing them is like a 13 yr old kid beating the hell out of a 5 year old.
It is shamful and I think you know this deep down inside.
Yea, at the rate of 200 Civilians to 26 Lebonese Military to 1 Hezbollah. The entire country should be dead by the time Israel takes out Hezbollah.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
i stand corrected you're right, mayeb israel wised up and saw what happens when they took teh high road and did indeed negotiate and attempt to bring peace
if that 5yr old had the ability to throw 125 rocks (125 rockets fired into israel today) that 5yr old deserves a spanking..
The iran-y is that Hezbollah can fire 125 rockets into Israel from southern Lebanon and Israel bombs Tripoli in retaliation. Could they not figure out where those 125 rockets are being launched from and attack that target?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
The iran-y is that Hezbollah can fire 125 rockets into Israel from southern Lebanon and Israel bombs Tripoli in retaliation. Could they not figure out where those 125 rockets are being launched from and attack that target?
maybe the 5yr old needs a spanking and that kids guardians need an ass kicking for allowing their kid to act in such a way
i stand corrected you're right, mayeb israel wised up and saw what happens when they took teh high road and did indeed negotiate and attempt to bring peace
Israel has a history of keeping hostages exclusively for use as bargining chips, endorsed by the Supreme Court of Israel.
Finally, the holding of hostages. At least 21 Lebanese are held as hostages for the return of or information about Israelis missing in action. These individuals have been held for up to 12 years without trial or after expiry of their sentences under administrative detention orders which are automatically renewed. Two of the detainees are even denied access to the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC). Now the Supreme Court of Israel has endorsed this practice. In a ruling made in November last year but only made public on 4 March 1998 the Supreme Court stated that it was legitimate to hold these detainees as "bargaining chips" which could be exchanged in pursuit of a "vital interest of state". In addition, there are more than 150 other Lebanese nationals detained without legal status for up to 12 years in Khiam Detention Centre, in the area of Lebanon occupied by Israel, who may also be held as "bargaining chips". Since September 1997 they too have been denied access to the ICRC and family members.
When an armed group holds hostages it is universally condemned. The Israeli Government has acknowledged that the detainees mentioned in the Supreme Court ruling pose no threat to state security. Their continued detention therefore has no basis in international law.
maybe the 5yr old needs a spanking and that kids guardians need an ass kicking for allowing their kid to act in such a way
That kind of thinking doesn't fly with me. Besides, analogies are nice for reinforcing one specific point, but in the broad picture they don't apply. Lebanon is not the mother of Hezbollah, if anything it's Syria and Iran, as that is where they receive their funding. From talking to Lebonese people, they don't like Hezbollah and blame them for these events. On the other hand, they acknowledge the wrongs of Israel and their inability as civilians to stand-up against Israel or the Hezbollah.
The anology doesn't work, also because the people getting the ass kicking are civilians, not military and not government. So it is more like if the 5 year old kid throws a rock, run up to the nearest person you can find and kick him in the face.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
if that 5yr old had the ability to throw 125 rocks (125 rockets fired into israel today) that 5yr old deserves a spanking..
The 5 yr old threw the 125 rocks at someone who was pummeling them with 400 boulders.
And they only threw the rocks AFTER they were pummeled.
Israel is wrong in this and because US is suppposedly such a huge ally of Israel, our government and it seems too many people won't admit this is wrong.
Sometimes I wonder if we are scared of Israel, or our politicians are afraid to lose the Jewish vote here in the states. Screw that!!!
I wish the muslim community would help Lebanon. They made an honest attempt to become a democracy...and no one, including other democracies helped them.
I don't care how anyone spins this, I know right from wrong and to attack the whole country while saying they only after Hezbollah is a crock of shit...and Israel needs to be told by Bush to knock it off.
Again..Israel was attacking them first...Hezbollah only attempted to defend. And I hate how they, and anyone who doesn't fit Bush's mold falls under the category of terrorists, which is geting old. Lebanon's army is weak at this point and that country needs some force to defend them. Thank Allah for Hezbollah!!!
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I think it is pretty obvious he meant the left seeing as how the left are usually the ones more sympathic with the Arabs and their cause.
The problem we have is the far over played reaction from Israel. We don't think hezbollah should bomb the fuck out of anyone and we don't want them to kill anyone. But we can see how the arabs have a need to defend themselves or be completely ran over. What do you think of the continual theft of these Arabs territory? Do they have the right to exist? They are the ones constantly losing ground and having homes mowed down. What kind of reaction would you expect from them? Do you even care? Are they supposed to allow themselves to be completely exterminated?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Good post that is where my frustration lies...some on here fail to realize that people that sympathize with Arabs (not the fundamentalists) do because there story is never known....the pro-Israeli on here can only say it was justified and deserved and then they wonder to themselves why the hell these radicals keep bombing them....its frustrating....you defend someone and you get labelled when all one is doing is trying to get the view of the other group across because that story is never told...instead it is blanketed by the acts of Islam nuts where the heart break of real citizens that want to live is ignored...
I wish the obviously pro-Israel group will realize that their stories are also blanketed as well and underneath lies atrocities just as great as any radical nut supporting Allah....they will fail to admit that....and there lies the frustration for me
I choose to be neutral and believe in the intelligent road (one filled with diplomacy) than the barbaric path that will only breed a new generation of hate (on both sides)....
Are you living in some strange alternate universe, or are you just as deluded as you sound?
Total dead and wounded in Lebanon and Israel over the past five days:
Israeli Military killed: 12
Israeli Civilians killed: 12
Lebanese Army: 34
Lebanese civilians: 203 (that's SIX ordinary people killed by Israel for every one militant)
Oh, and incidentally, just in case you think that Israel is really targetting the Hizbollah terrorists:
Number of Hizbollah militants killed by the Israeli army (for the sake of those 203 civilians): 1
so, what was that again about arabs targeting civilians, and israelis targetting terrorists?
Who's really talking nonsense?
source: The Guardian, June 18th
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
I also agree with this approach (diplomacy) but I do not think it should include more taken livelihood from the Arabs. I believe their suffering should be told and known by everyone. We have every channel on tv for the pro Israel side. The Arab's story needs to be told as well. It doesn't, for one second, mean I support one group's murderous actions over the other.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
The Israeli's are using this to settle old scores, it's they that are escalating this, the blind defence by the US is sickening...
Troubled souls unite, we got ourselves tonight...
Astoria, Dublin, Reading 06
Katowice, Wembley 07
SBE, Manchester, O2 09
Hyde Park 10
Manchester 1&2 12
This is just g'bye for now...
So true. This works to the favour of so many elites, and the general public can see it but can't do anything about it. Dead civilians are simply another byproduct of power struggles going on at higher levels that have nothing to do with ensuring peace or security, or even democracy, and certainly have nothing whatsoever to do with the welfare of the ordinary people who are subject to, and dependent on, those elites.
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
This is confirmed by al-jazeera aswell. Also, "Hezbollah also announced that one of its fighters was killed in fighting with Israeli forces near the border." so, no Hezbollah have been victim of bombings. That one soldier was killed in ground combat.
outrageous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! did i miss something? how can the IDF do that?????
its a sick fucking world.
Oops. Be careful about saying al-Jazeera confirmed it - you'll just have people jumping in and dismissing it out of hand then, saying "they're just terrorist sympathisers and evildoers and whatnot, and you can't trust what they say." just like that nifty little swipe at "Chomkyism" earlier. I love how, by making a snide, but entirely vacuous, reference to something they don't agree with, some people can feel like thy've just undermined your whole argument - missing the point that those sources they dismiss so readily by kneejerk reaction, are generally far, far, far more qualified to make and defend their point, than they themselves are. And just so as not to appear biased, those people exist on both sides of the divide. I think Michael Moore's as much an expert at snide dismissal as those who just think "chomsky's bad, mmmkay?", "al-jazeera's bad, mmmkay?"
Why am I talking about this? Hmmm... random rant. Sorry. thanks for the corroboration, Ahnimus.
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
War and tyranny suck.
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hammas in gaza kidnapped 1 israeli soldier
hezbollah crossed into israel to kidnap 2 israeli soldiers and kill 8
8-23-00,8-24-00,4-30-03,7-08-03,7-09-03,7-11-03,9-28-04,9-29-04,10-1-04,5-13-06,5-27-06,6-01-06,6-03-06
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
8-23-00,8-24-00,4-30-03,7-08-03,7-09-03,7-11-03,9-28-04,9-29-04,10-1-04,5-13-06,5-27-06,6-01-06,6-03-06
Yea, sorry. I don't think al-jazeera is bias. Michael Moore, he is just soaking up the profits from his movies, I doubt the guy actually cares about anything else. Noam Chomsky seems like a bright fellow, but I tend to look at documents and news more than listen to people talk about them.
The Lebanese group said on Wednesday that it had captured the pair to secure the release of detainees held in Israeli prisons.
yes and i responded to someone who said israel kidnapped two civililians, the article never once states israel kidnapped anyone, just that hezbollah instigated the attack in order to perform a prisoner swap, well sucks for them it backfired in their face, israel doesn't negotiate with terrorists.
8-23-00,8-24-00,4-30-03,7-08-03,7-09-03,7-11-03,9-28-04,9-29-04,10-1-04,5-13-06,5-27-06,6-01-06,6-03-06
they're too busy being them.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
thats comical, but you're certainly entitled to your opinion
8-23-00,8-24-00,4-30-03,7-08-03,7-09-03,7-11-03,9-28-04,9-29-04,10-1-04,5-13-06,5-27-06,6-01-06,6-03-06
Lebanon is weak right now while trying to become democratic. Israel bombing them is like a 13 yr old kid beating the hell out of a 5 year old.
It is shamful and I think you know this deep down inside.
Israel and Hezbollah have echanged prisoners three times in the last 10 years.
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article4986.shtml
Yea, at the rate of 200 Civilians to 26 Lebonese Military to 1 Hezbollah. The entire country should be dead by the time Israel takes out Hezbollah.
if that 5yr old had the ability to throw 125 rocks (125 rockets fired into israel today) that 5yr old deserves a spanking..
8-23-00,8-24-00,4-30-03,7-08-03,7-09-03,7-11-03,9-28-04,9-29-04,10-1-04,5-13-06,5-27-06,6-01-06,6-03-06
i stand corrected you're right, mayeb israel wised up and saw what happens when they took teh high road and did indeed negotiate and attempt to bring peace
8-23-00,8-24-00,4-30-03,7-08-03,7-09-03,7-11-03,9-28-04,9-29-04,10-1-04,5-13-06,5-27-06,6-01-06,6-03-06
The iran-y is that Hezbollah can fire 125 rockets into Israel from southern Lebanon and Israel bombs Tripoli in retaliation. Could they not figure out where those 125 rockets are being launched from and attack that target?
maybe the 5yr old needs a spanking and that kids guardians need an ass kicking for allowing their kid to act in such a way
8-23-00,8-24-00,4-30-03,7-08-03,7-09-03,7-11-03,9-28-04,9-29-04,10-1-04,5-13-06,5-27-06,6-01-06,6-03-06
Israel has a history of keeping hostages exclusively for use as bargining chips, endorsed by the Supreme Court of Israel.
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE150241998?open&of=ENG-ISR
Finally, the holding of hostages. At least 21 Lebanese are held as hostages for the return of or information about Israelis missing in action. These individuals have been held for up to 12 years without trial or after expiry of their sentences under administrative detention orders which are automatically renewed. Two of the detainees are even denied access to the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC). Now the Supreme Court of Israel has endorsed this practice. In a ruling made in November last year but only made public on 4 March 1998 the Supreme Court stated that it was legitimate to hold these detainees as "bargaining chips" which could be exchanged in pursuit of a "vital interest of state". In addition, there are more than 150 other Lebanese nationals detained without legal status for up to 12 years in Khiam Detention Centre, in the area of Lebanon occupied by Israel, who may also be held as "bargaining chips". Since September 1997 they too have been denied access to the ICRC and family members.
When an armed group holds hostages it is universally condemned. The Israeli Government has acknowledged that the detainees mentioned in the Supreme Court ruling pose no threat to state security. Their continued detention therefore has no basis in international law.
That kind of thinking doesn't fly with me. Besides, analogies are nice for reinforcing one specific point, but in the broad picture they don't apply. Lebanon is not the mother of Hezbollah, if anything it's Syria and Iran, as that is where they receive their funding. From talking to Lebonese people, they don't like Hezbollah and blame them for these events. On the other hand, they acknowledge the wrongs of Israel and their inability as civilians to stand-up against Israel or the Hezbollah.
The anology doesn't work, also because the people getting the ass kicking are civilians, not military and not government. So it is more like if the 5 year old kid throws a rock, run up to the nearest person you can find and kick him in the face.
And they only threw the rocks AFTER they were pummeled.
Israel is wrong in this and because US is suppposedly such a huge ally of Israel, our government and it seems too many people won't admit this is wrong.
Sometimes I wonder if we are scared of Israel, or our politicians are afraid to lose the Jewish vote here in the states. Screw that!!!
I wish the muslim community would help Lebanon. They made an honest attempt to become a democracy...and no one, including other democracies helped them.
I don't care how anyone spins this, I know right from wrong and to attack the whole country while saying they only after Hezbollah is a crock of shit...and Israel needs to be told by Bush to knock it off.
Again..Israel was attacking them first...Hezbollah only attempted to defend. And I hate how they, and anyone who doesn't fit Bush's mold falls under the category of terrorists, which is geting old. Lebanon's army is weak at this point and that country needs some force to defend them. Thank Allah for Hezbollah!!!
on that note, i head back onto the porch and discuss pearl jam..or try to, because i am speachless..
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