Iraq War Vets talk about randomly killing civilians

my2hands

ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:

Don't worry my2hands... I share responsibility for the post-war deaths as well.

What's your point?

I'm more than open to the idea of you attempting to place as much guilt as possible on me. Please, have at it noble poster.

no guilt from me, no point. just thought i would ask.

here is another one. do you support this current iraq war? if so, why?

moeaholic

Byrnzie wrote:

O.k, maybe my comment was a bit of a stretcher. But when I watch that video link and then hear someone profess to being proud of voting for Bush, weird connections start happening in my brain. Don't blame me, blame my synapses.

damn your synapses, then.

you're a good guy, byrnzie...i just don't agree with everything you say.

Rushlimbo

Byrnzie wrote:

O.k, maybe my comment was a bit of a stretcher. But when I watch that video link and then hear someone profess to being proud of voting for Bush, weird connections start happening in my brain. Don't blame me, blame my synapses.

No, it was a true statement. Knowing in 2004 what this administration had lied about and how terrible things were going in Iraq -- anyone who voted for Bush should feel responsibility for what has happened since. No way to argue around it. Guilt is a terrible thing so they rationalize it anyway they can.

my2hands

moeaholic wrote:

i really take offense to that statement. why don't you go around pointing fingers at and laying blame on the democrats for not garnering enough people to vote for them?

i try to shake my head at some of the things said around here, but this one really gets under my skin. if the roles were reversed, i'd never tell someone they've got blood on their hands because of who they voted for. that's just childish.

the fact is that if you voted for Bush in 2004 you were voting in support of pre-emptive war, cronyism, restriction of civil rights, restriction of human rights, restriction of personal rights and the right to privacy, and out right discrimination. period.

Byrnzie

moeaholic wrote:

damn your synapses, then.

you're a good guy, byrnzie...i just don't agree with everything you say.

Thanks man.

moeaholic

my2hands wrote:

the fact is that if you voted for Bush in 2004 you were voting in support of pre-emptive war, cronyism, restriction of civil rights, restriction of human rights, restriction of personal rights and the right to privacy, and out right discrimination. period.

this is all i'm going to say about your statement and limbo's: you have absolutely no idea why i voted the way i did and i don't have to explain myself to either of you. you can make assumptions all you want, but don't make it sound like you know what i (or anyone other than yourself) think.

Rushlimbo

moeaholic wrote:

this is all i'm going to say about your statement and limbo's: you have absolutely no idea why i voted the way i did and i don't have to explain myself to either of you. you can make assumptions all you want, but don't make it sound like you know what i (or anyone other than yourself) think.

Again, guilt rationalization. Whatever works for you.

my2hands

moeaholic wrote:

this is all i'm going to say about your statement and limbo's: you have absolutely no idea why i voted the way i did and i don't have to explain myself to either of you. you can make assumptions all you want, but don't make it sound like you know what i (or anyone other than yourself) think.

i think everyone knows what W's platform and track record were when the votes were cast. pro-war, pro crony corporation, and anti~gay. throw in some torture and the patriot act and i think we know his stances on the previuosly mentioned issues. i support your right to vote for anyone you choose, and for any reason you chosse. but the facts are the facts. we all fuck up, so we just gotta learn from those mistakes.

by voting for Bush in 2004 you supported his stances on these issues. period. that doesnt make you hitler, it just makes you a bushie

ThumbingMyWay32

my2hands wrote:

no guilt from me, no point. just thought i would ask.

here is another one. do you support this current iraq war? if so, why?

Well, first off, I'd like to begin by saying that I support the troops... Which hopefully makes everything I say from here on out O.K., right?




Secondly, yes I support the current operations inside Iraq. When Al-Qaeda has been eradicated it will be time to come home. No need interfering with civil disputes. We're beginning to see the impact Al-Qaeda is having inside Iraq with the recent developments of U.S. and Sunni forces now fighting alongside each other. Who knew? Not one word from the Sunni's about "Bush brought Al-Qaeda to Iraq" or any of that other garbage liberals in this country love to spew. They're starting to understand the impact of terrorism; as we did four years ago. Did the administration juice a few things up leading up to the invasion? I'm sure they did. I believe it to be rather niave to believe otherwise. Did they lie on levels that people in your corner want me to believe? No way in hell. Not even close. The events of the '80s alone justify most of the reasoning. The rhetoric from both sides of the aisle throughout the '90s was the same and it continued through 2000. I also understand that hindsight is 20/20. Please Democrats, tell us more... But, by jumping on the 20/20 train you don't become some sort of genius that could have prevented all the worlds problems simply because your votes happen to match up. Do you want me to ramble on about Iraq further? I can.

Do you want me to sit here and spit out bullshit about how you're partly to blame for the deaths of Cliff Wolcott and Donovan Briley? Or the thousands of dead civilians who died in Bosnia? What about that poor janitor inside the aspirin factory?

ThumbingMyWay32

moeaholic wrote:

this is all i'm going to say about your statement and limbo's: you have absolutely no idea why i voted the way i did and i don't have to explain myself to either of you. you can make assumptions all you want, but don't make it sound like you know what i (or anyone other than yourself) think.

lol I wouldn't worry about Limbo, moe. He's a lot like Abook without the strong feelings and boyish curiosity. A woman. A woman is what I was trying to say. And apparently he has a profound misunderstanding of the term, OWNED!

my2hands

ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:

Well, first off, I'd like to begin by saying that I support the troops... Which hopefully makes everything I say from here on out O.K., right?




Secondly, yes I support the current operations inside Iraq. When Al-Qaeda has been eradicated it will be time to come home. No need interfering with civil disputes. We're beginning to see the impact Al-Qaeda is having inside Iraq with the recent developments of U.S. and Sunni forces now fighting alongside each other. Who knew? Not one word from the Sunni's about "Bush brought Al-Qaeda to Iraq" or any of that other garbage liberals in this country love to spew. They're starting to understand the impact of terrorism; as we did four years ago. Did the administration juice a few things up leading up to the invasion? I'm sure they did. I believe it to be rather niave to believe otherwise. Did they lie on levels that people in your corner want me to believe? No way in hell. Not even close. The events of the '80s alone justify most of the reasoning. The rhetoric from both sides of the aisle throughout the '90s was the same and it continued through 2000. I also understand that hindsight is 20/20. Please Democrats, tell us more... But, by jumping on the 20/20 train you don't become some sort of genius that could have prevented all the worlds problems simply because your votes happen to match up. Do you want me to ramble on about Iraq further? I can.

Do you want me to sit here and spit out bullshit about how you're partly to blame for the deaths of Cliff Wolcott and Donovan Briley? Or the thousands of dead civilians who died in Bosnia? What about that poor janitor inside the aspirin factory?

i didnt vote for clinton . i have not voted for a winning candidate in my lifetime, yet.

ThumbingMyWay32

my2hands wrote:

i didnt vote for clinton . i have not voted for a winning candidate in my lifetime, yet.

Ohhhh I get it. You're totally absolved from having to take responsibility for anything that's happened politically in this country in the last 30 years or so I take it? You're a lovable loser I guess...

I envy you.

my2hands

ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:

Ohhhh I get it. You're totally absolved from having to take responsibility for anything that's happened politically in this country in the last 30 years or so I take it? You're a lovable loser I guess...

I envy you.

no, my candidates dotn tend to win since they are usually not controlled by corporate interests. and of course there was that Kerry guy :rolleyes: (he was like the emergency fire extinguisher that didnt work :(

Cosmo

I would make the worst soldier.
If I were in a situation where I KNOW someone saw the mother fucker who fired the RPG that hit the HMMWV that killed my bretheren and aren't saying anything... I'd lose it, go nutz and light 'em up.
...
Note to Army... Don't come and get me to fight this war... I wouldn't make a good soldie.... er.... cop in a warzone.

ThumbingMyWay32

my2hands wrote:

no, my candidates dotn tend to win since they are usually not controlled by corporate interests. and of course there was that Kerry guy :rolleyes: (he was like the emergency fire extinguisher that didnt work :(

The only fire extinguisher I can honestly say that was defective out of the box.

You've always got '08. Hell, you had '06. You got what you wanted... Nothing.

ThumbingMyWay32

Cosmo wrote:

I would make the worst soldier.
If I were in a situation where I KNOW someone saw the mother fucker who fired the RPG that hit the HMMWV that killed my bretheren and aren't saying anything... I'd lose it, go nutz and light 'em up.
...
Note to Army... Don't come and get me to fight this war... I wouldn't make a good soldie.... er.... cop in a warzone.

They wont Cosmo... Remember? It's voluntary.

Gary Carter

ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:

You're a lovable loser I guess...

hes a philly fan what more can u expect

Cosmo

ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:

They wont Cosmo... Remember? It's voluntary.

...
Good... because, i wouldn't make a very good soldier pretending he's a cop.

ThumbingMyWay32

Cosmo wrote:

...
Good... because, i wouldn't make a very good soldier pretending he's a cop.

Yeah, we get it. Read the article I posted. Mr. Policeman is about to go bye-bye.

ThumbingMyWay32

metsfan531941 wrote:

hes a philly fan what more can u expect

I pray for Phils fans. I really do. I pray that they continue to always start slow and finish slow. Actually, I really don't know what else to ask of them...


How bout them Mets?? Better yet, how bout them Bravos!? This shit could get interesting come September.