Palin is a demagogue. Plain and simple. When you look at her whipping up her crowd, it's not too far a cry from what other far more famous demagogues have managed to do. Palin and McCain are all about division because they can add two and two together, nor can they multiply anything. They are scary and a blot on the US.
I think you'd find similar things. I just don't think you'd find a conservative going up to people interviewing them. That's all.
My basic point is simple, there are smart people on both sides of the aisle. Their are not smart people on both sides of the aisle. There are fair-minded people on both sides of the aisle. There are also non fair-minded people on both sides of the aisle. There are extremists and non-extremists on both sides. If you search hard enough you can make a case for both.
If I understand you correctly, you are saying that it's only on one side? If that's the case, I think that is complete B.S. and shows an obvious lack of objectivity.
I consider myself objective in my viewpoints, politics and thoughts. What exact similar things are we talking about? And again, why is it not being reported? I'm objective and more than willing to call Republicans in the right on issues and tactics I agree with them on, but if someone says 2+2=4 and someone else says 2+2=5, I'm not going to say they're both valid to keep seeming 'objective.' I haven't seen this type of behavior at Obama rallies, both in person and in the media, and my imagination is failing me, for I cannot think of what specific insults would be lobbed McCain's way that would be equal in offensiveness and vitriol to these insults. "Four more years of Bush?" That's pretty tame. So, no, I don't think it's equal, and the proof seems to be on my side. If you consider such an opinion partisan or close-minded, then you're welcome to that opinion.
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OK any Obama supporters views on McCain and Palin.....negative or positive Do they have racist views?
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i don't believe we can blame mcCain for what people say. just as much as i don't believe we shoudl punish Obama for what his rev. said. McCain did refuse the endorsment with that guy who keep saying "Hussian" got alot of flake for it too.
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
I consider myself objective in my viewpoints, politics and thoughts. What exact similar things are we talking about? And again, why is it not being reported? I'm objective and more than willing to call Republicans in the right on issues and tactics I agree with them on, but if someone says 2+2=4 and someone else says 2+2=5, I'm not going to say they're both valid to keep seeming 'objective.' I haven't seen this type of behavior at Obama rallies, both in person and in the media, and my imagination is failing me, for I cannot think of what specific insults would be lobbed McCain's way that would be equal in offensiveness and vitriol to these insults. "Four more years of Bush?" That's pretty tame. So, no, I don't think it's equal, and the proof seems to be on my side. If you consider such an opinion partisan or close-minded, then you're welcome to that opinion.
i agree with you on this excellent post but i have seen soem Obama supporters talk alot abotu mcCain not being able to raise his arms which i think is very insulting as he was tortured in a war.
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
i agree with you on this excellent post but i have seen soem Obama supporters talk alot abotu mcCain not being able to raise his arms which i think is very insulting as he was tortured in a war.
That's a pretty insulting one, and if I saw a portion of Obama supporters in the crowd mocking his time as a prisoner of war (funny enough, I have seen it once or twice on this board, which is pretty disgusting). If that was as prominent in terms of frequency as these attacks, I'd be pretty irate with those Obama supporters, and I'd say they are equally morally bankrupt. Problem with that argument is, I just haven't seen it and it hasn't been documented. Until we see mass rage, phsycial and verbal abuse displayed at reporters covering a Palin event, racial epithets and calls of Obama being a Muslim/terrorist/socialist/terrorist sympathizer etc. I'm not going to say both sides are equal in the interest of fairness if both sides are clearly not equal.
Apparently, the McCain/Palin issued a statement or something DEFENDING these people and attempting to turn it around on Obama. Man, that's just fucked up.
"McCain spokesman Brian Rogers pushes back against the storyline of rabid McCain crowds and Obama's criticism:
Barack Obama’s attacks on Americans who support John McCain reveal far more about him than they do about John McCain. It is clear that Barack Obama just doesn’t understand regular people and the issues they care about. He dismisses hardworking middle class Americans as clinging to guns and religion, while at the same time attacking average Americans at McCain rallies who are angry at Washington, Wall Street and the status quo.
Even worse, he attacks anyone who dares to question his readiness to serve as their commander in chief in chief. Raising legitimate questions about record, character and judgment are a vital part of the Democratic process, and Barack Obama’s effort to silence and shame those who seek answers should make everyone wonder exactly what he is hiding."
I also read just a little bit ago that McCain was telling his supporters to now be respectful.
actually, news just coming in that in Wisconsin today, McCain actually told the crowd to be respectful,
He actually said, in a somber tone, (of Obama) "He is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared as president of the United States."
Me thinks McCain got the message that indeed, if he was going to continue on with that hate speak, if Obama won, there were going to be angry mobs int he street.
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"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
actually, news just coming in that in Wisconsin today, McCain actually told the crowd to be respectful,
He actually said, in a somber tone, (of Obama) "He is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared as president of the United States."
Me thinks McCain got the message that indeed, if he was going to continue on with that hate speak, if Obama won, there were going to be angry mobs int he street.
That makes me feel a little bit better. I didn't want to think that McCain wants to destroy everything in this country. I mean, not if he's putting country first.
"John McCain: If your campaign does not stop equating Sen. Barack Obama with terrorism, questioning his patriotism and portraying Mr. Obama as "not one of us," I accuse you of deliberately feeding the most unhinged elements of our society the red meat of hate, and therefore of potentially instigating violence."
My daughter just heard them yelling "commy faggots" in this video and started yelling the same thing at her Boots the Monkey doll. :eek:
These people are fucking shameful. I would be embarrassed to be aligned with them in any way. (Actually, I am embarrassed to be an American when I see stuff like this.)
I've never trusted that Boots. I've always suspected that him and Swiper were a one monkey/one fox terror cell
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I think so too, and hope so.
point taken....
I guess I could argue that you are a atypical McCain supporter because you are willing to address issues in a respectful manner...
regardless, I understand your point....
Unless you were on those 2 clips making those idiotic comments...then nobody could call you hateful, ignorant and stupid.
Misguided on your choice of candidate maybe
I consider myself objective in my viewpoints, politics and thoughts. What exact similar things are we talking about? And again, why is it not being reported? I'm objective and more than willing to call Republicans in the right on issues and tactics I agree with them on, but if someone says 2+2=4 and someone else says 2+2=5, I'm not going to say they're both valid to keep seeming 'objective.' I haven't seen this type of behavior at Obama rallies, both in person and in the media, and my imagination is failing me, for I cannot think of what specific insults would be lobbed McCain's way that would be equal in offensiveness and vitriol to these insults. "Four more years of Bush?" That's pretty tame. So, no, I don't think it's equal, and the proof seems to be on my side. If you consider such an opinion partisan or close-minded, then you're welcome to that opinion.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
i agree with you on this excellent post but i have seen soem Obama supporters talk alot abotu mcCain not being able to raise his arms which i think is very insulting as he was tortured in a war.
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
That's a pretty insulting one, and if I saw a portion of Obama supporters in the crowd mocking his time as a prisoner of war (funny enough, I have seen it once or twice on this board, which is pretty disgusting). If that was as prominent in terms of frequency as these attacks, I'd be pretty irate with those Obama supporters, and I'd say they are equally morally bankrupt. Problem with that argument is, I just haven't seen it and it hasn't been documented. Until we see mass rage, phsycial and verbal abuse displayed at reporters covering a Palin event, racial epithets and calls of Obama being a Muslim/terrorist/socialist/terrorist sympathizer etc. I'm not going to say both sides are equal in the interest of fairness if both sides are clearly not equal.
they are saying bad socialism and communism but wtf is actually so wrong with it?
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Defending_the_crowds.html#comments
"McCain spokesman Brian Rogers pushes back against the storyline of rabid McCain crowds and Obama's criticism:
Barack Obama’s attacks on Americans who support John McCain reveal far more about him than they do about John McCain. It is clear that Barack Obama just doesn’t understand regular people and the issues they care about. He dismisses hardworking middle class Americans as clinging to guns and religion, while at the same time attacking average Americans at McCain rallies who are angry at Washington, Wall Street and the status quo.
Even worse, he attacks anyone who dares to question his readiness to serve as their commander in chief in chief. Raising legitimate questions about record, character and judgment are a vital part of the Democratic process, and Barack Obama’s effort to silence and shame those who seek answers should make everyone wonder exactly what he is hiding."
I also read just a little bit ago that McCain was telling his supporters to now be respectful.
He actually said, in a somber tone, (of Obama) "He is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared as president of the United States."
Me thinks McCain got the message that indeed, if he was going to continue on with that hate speak, if Obama won, there were going to be angry mobs int he street.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
That makes me feel a little bit better. I didn't want to think that McCain wants to destroy everything in this country. I mean, not if he's putting country first.
i think i just need to stay inside with my head buried until after the election.
those fucking people that represent my fucking state are a disgrace.
this whole thing is making me sick to my stomach.
there are even people on this board that i like, that are just saying things that are making me sick to my stomach.
i cant wait till this is all over.
Obama 08 !!!!!!!!
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http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.mccain10oct10,0,7557571.story
"John McCain: If your campaign does not stop equating Sen. Barack Obama with terrorism, questioning his patriotism and portraying Mr. Obama as "not one of us," I accuse you of deliberately feeding the most unhinged elements of our society the red meat of hate, and therefore of potentially instigating violence."
I've never trusted that Boots. I've always suspected that him and Swiper were a one monkey/one fox terror cell