Is it the right of the parent or the state?.......

even flow?

http://www.cbc.ca/cp/Oddities/070403/K040323AU.html

Swedish couple fights for right to name their baby girl Metallica
Published: Tuesday, April 3, 2007 | 2:00 PM ET
Canadian Press
STOCKHOLM, Sweden (AP) - Metallica may work as a name for a heavy metal band, but a Swedish couple is struggling to convince authorities it's also suitable for a baby girl.

Sweden's tax agency rejected Michael and Karolina Tomaro's application to name their six-month-old daughter after the legendary rock band. "It suits her," Karolina Tomaro, 27, said Tuesday of the name. "She's decisive and she knows what she wants."

Although little Metallica has already been baptized, the Swedish National Tax Board refused to register the name, saying it was associated with both the rock group and the word "metal."

In Sweden, parents must get the names of their children approved by the tax authority, which is in charge of the population registry and issues personal identification numbers.

Tomaro, who has appealed the decision, said the official handling the case also called the name "ugly."

The couple was backed by the County Administrative Court in Goteborg, which ruled on March 13 that there was no reason to block the name. It also noted that there already is a woman in Sweden with Metallica as a middle name.

The tax agency appealed to a higher court, frustrating the family's foreign travel plans.

"We've had to cancel trips and can't get anywhere because we can't get her a passport without an approved name," Tomaro said.



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MrBrian

it's Just a name, when the kid grows up and does'nt like it, she can always change it to something a bit better, like "pearl jam".

it all just seems like a waste of time. silly tax authority,

caifan82

I'm so calling my daughter Iron Maiden.

Ahnimus

It's a ridiculous name IMO, but so is Bertha. Why are people on a naming kick? Like Silence, Princess, Paris, etc.. I'm naming my son Midas Welby, he might as well be.

My daddy left home when I was three
And he didn't leave much to ma and me
Just this old guitar and an empty bottle of booze.
Now, I don't blame him cause he run and hid
But the meanest thing that he ever did
Was before he left, he went and named me "Sue."

Well, he must o' thought that is quite a joke
And it got a lot of laughs from a' lots of folk,
It seems I had to fight my whole life through.
Some gal would giggle and I'd get red
And some guy'd laugh and I'd bust his head,
I tell ya, life ain't easy for a boy named "Sue."

Pacomc79

while it might be a copyright violation, I see no place for government intervention in the name.

If you want to call your offspring Fuckhead Mcgraw, that's fine with me.

puremagic

Parent's should have the right, although, I bet there are plenty of "human" automobiles out there who wanted to ask their parents wtf were they thinking when they named you.

soulsinging

i think the only possible solution to this dilemma is to take the baby away and then have the parents executed for gross stupidity and polluting the gene pool.

emily18

it's a stupid name but people have named their kids stranger things.....
i dont really think its the state's place to come in.

gue_barium

In Sweden, parents must get the names of their children approved by the tax authority, which is in charge of the population registry and issues personal identification numbers.

This is so wrong.

jeffbr

It sounds like a logical extension of the nanny state to me. They bathe you, feed you, shelter you, care for your health. Why shouldn't they name you?

gue_barium

jeffbr wrote:

It sounds like a logical extension of the nanny state to me. They bathe you, feed you, shelter you, care for your health. Why shouldn't they name you?

The 'nanny state'? Never heard of it.

jeffbr

gue_barium wrote:

The 'nanny state'? Never heard of it.

It exists and is trying to cradle you in its arms. Beware.

gue_barium

jeffbr wrote:

It exists and is trying to cradle you in its arms. Beware.

Lol. Okay. Is it kind of like 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers'? or more like "War of the Worlds'?

Lesbelges

seven

wolfbear

That's interesting. I didn't know there were places where you had to have names approved. I wonder what the reasoning is?

Kann

wolfbear wrote:

That's interesting. I didn't know there were places where you had to have names approved. I wonder what the reasoning is?

Choosing an insulting name (such as calling your son "dickhead") can seriously damage your child's mental health (particularly when he'll go to school). It's a law designed to protect children from stupid and/or abusive parents. If you push the reasoning too far you get this kind of story where stupid names become illegal as well.

Hitch-Hiker

At least it's not as bad as Zappas kids.

redrock

puremagic wrote:

Parent's should have the right, although, I bet there are plenty of "human" automobiles out there who wanted to ask their parents wtf were they thinking when they named you.

Well.. the Mercedes was named after someone's daughter.....

redrock

Lesbelges wrote:

seven

I know a girl named Seven.. she's from India though and it's pronounced differently.

I guess safeguards were put in place to avoid downright outrageous names. At one time, many years ago, in France and in Belgium, it had to be a name from the saints's calendar.... I know now it is different but I still think you can't put any old rubbish on a birth certificate.

catefrances

well you know, jonathon davies from Korn called his kid pirate.

lucylespian

Laws to protect children from abuse or forced labour, and to gauruntee them basic rights to medical care and safety and shelter etc suggest that children really belong to society (as opposed to teh government), not to parents, at a level of principal, rather than detail.
This name approval law is part of that process. I don't think it is that extreme. As far as I now, Scandinavian countires are a lot more socialised than Oz or UK or USA.
I often run across kids with crazy names, and while I know the parents were looking for something "special" to show their individuality and creativity etc, I still wonder wehat teh fuck they were thinking.
Life is tough enough without dragging a crazy moniker around after you. I doubt they reject many names anyway. Maybve they should have named her Skylar after Lars' ex-wife , now that's a pretty name !!

even flow?

puremagic wrote:

Parent's should have the right, although, I bet there are plenty of "human" automobiles out there who wanted to ask their parents wtf were they thinking when they named you.

I have heard, "is that your first name?" more times then needed throughout life. So I can agree.

Edit: But I don't think the state or government should step in unless you have a name like dickhead or the like.

Kann

even flow? wrote:

I have heard, "is that your first name?" more times then needed throughout life. So I can agree.

Edit: But I don't think the state or government should step in unless you have a name like dickhead or the like.

In some cases there is matter for debate. I remember here a few years ago a similar case had made lots of noise. Parents whose family name was Renault wanted to call their little girl Megane. Megane is a common french name but Renault Megane is a car brand (like parents named Nissan would name their little girl Primera). The state denied their choice and the case was held in front of a tribunal. The parents won in the end but the debates were harsh, what will that girl live through during her school years? How will that effect her?

even flow?

Kann wrote:

In some cases there is matter for debate. I remember here a few years ago a similar case had made lots of noise. Parents whose family name was Renault wanted to call their little girl Megane. Megane is a common french name but Renault Megane is a car brand (like parents named Nissan would name their little girl Primera). The state denied their choice and the case was held in front of a tribunal. The parents won in the end but the debates were harsh, what will that girl live through during her school years? How will that effect her?

All the guys may want to test drive with Megane Renault.

The parents, when naming a child have some weird ideas. What can we do.

catefrances

when i was pregnant with my youngest the girls name i had picked out was willow frances. frances being my midddle name and that of my paternal great grandmother, whose name i actually share in entireity. my choice of willow was vetoed and so was my second choice, piper frances. my youngest daughter's name is zoe claire. which on my list of names came in at #5 or thereabouts.
when my grand daughter was born last september my daughter called her piper frances. so at least i feel a little vindicated.

floyd1975

I think the government should go one step further and issue licenses for child birth. They would then be able to decide who will be good parents and this law would be unnecessary.

soulsinging

zstillings wrote:

I think the government should go one step further and issue licenses for child birth. They would then be able to decide who will be good parents and this law would be unnecessary.

i have long advocated neutering people who can't even finish high school or have abysmally low iq or watch american idol or... yes... like metallica.

floyd1975

soulsinging wrote:

i have long advocated neutering people who can't even finish high school or have abysmally low iq or watch american idol or... yes... like metallica.

You and I should be the judges on the new "Department of Birthing Rights." We could get paid to decide who should be able to breed.

even flow?

zstillings wrote:

I think the government should go one step further and issue licenses for child birth. They would then be able to decide who will be good parents and this law would be unnecessary.

I can't believe you think this way. As that is just whack.

I can see if you are unable to support a family and you are spitting out kids or knocking every woman you cum across up and then disappearing with no support. Maybe have something done with those types of people. But to outright make a decision on somebody being able to start a family is pretty disturbing. Are they not already doing that by keeping people in a hole of debt and putting chemicals in the food sources?

Funny that the Bush's should not be having children as they are a scourge on society themselves. But I will be listening to them or any other head of a country on input on my future. Not fucking likely.

soulsinging

zstillings wrote:

You and I should be the judges on the new "Department of Birthing Rights." We could get paid to decide who should be able to breed.

and for the hot women with really dumb husbands, we can cut "deals" that allow them to defy the odds and somehow magically give birth to genius children.

Galiana

catefrances wrote:

well you know, jonathon davies from Korn called his kid pirate.

I saw that on one of those VH1 shows. It was called "Wacky Celebrity Baby Names." I don't remember most of the names of the parents of the kids, but the kids had names like Pilot Inspektor, Audio Science, Reign Beau (yes, that how it's spelled), Jermajesty (Jermaine Jackson's son). Then there's the R&B singer who named her son Denim. It was originally supposed to be spelled "Denham" after the Sidney Poitier character in the movie To Sir With Love, but she was afraid people would pronounce it "Den-ham" so she chose the phonetic spelling.

Compared to all that, Metallica doesn't seem too bad.