I couldn't disagree more. I read a bumper sticker a while back that said, "If you're not outraged you're not paying attention." Very true words.
I've seen that sticker too and here's my problem with it. The only people that are ever outraged are the people that are "opposite" of the party of the president.
For example, people here outraged for this Libby situation, were they outraged over Clinton trading pardons for $$$?? Doubt it. How many are calling out Hillary for her ridiculous rant on it?
All this bullshit is our fault. All of us should be outraged, no matter the party in power. But as long as our "team" is winning, we won't be.
I've seen that sticker too and here's my problem with it. The only people that are ever outraged are the people that are "opposite" of the party of the president.
For example, people here outraged for this Libby situation, were they outraged over Clinton trading pardons for $$$?? Doubt it. How many are calling out Hillary for her ridiculous rant on it?
All this bullshit is our fault. All of us should be outraged, no matter the party in power. But as long as our "team" is winning, we won't be.
very true, my friend...
all I know is, I'm pretty sick of the lame-ass dems...I now understand the notion of "picking the lesser of two evils" used by many in 2004...
I'm thinking this country is ready for a 3rd party to step into the mix....I'm watching Bloomburg...he can't be any worse than what we currently have...
as for libby...he's a dick who got a free pass...nothing new for DC...
All this bullshit is our fault. All of us should be outraged, no matter the party in power. But as long as our "team" is winning, we won't be.
But if you include your own "team" in your outrage and the other team doesn't, then the other team wins. You need everyone on board in order for that to work - and not everyone will be on board because someone, somewhere (actually lots of people) will see the outrage and the "tear down" of our corrupt system and use it to win a victory for their own corruption.
George Bush won the last election with just over 50% of the vote. He's currently polling at around 27%. How many of the remaining 23-24% voted for him solely because they didn't want that backstabbing traitor John Kerry sleeping in the White House with his foreign tart of a wife? And, on the flip side, how many voted for Kerry to stop monkey face from throwing feces at everyone outside our borders?
How do you fix it? You can say "don't vote for 'em, then." But then what? Vote for some third tier or third party person who, in the end, will gladly take all the power you offer and screw just as many in the process - provided he or she screws the people you think need screwed? I've no solution. I'm just ranting over something I see as a major problem. It's not a problem with our country, or our education, or our society, or any kind of "other." It's a problem with humans. Lousy animals.
P.S., I do like to see the occasional conservative talk about the fault being "ours," though. See, shared responsibility isn't so bad.
I don't think people are surprise about Libby, in fact, I think people were expecting a full pardon at some point. The problem here is that people keep justifying the action of politicians by comparison of their predessors. People have allowed themselves to rationalize actions, right or wrong, based on democrat or republican, liberal or conservative; and not what was in the best interest of the country as a whole. In doing so, people have allowed the governing principles to be corrupted, to be overturned, and to be marginalized.
Everyone, democrats and republicans, liberals and conservatives, green party and independents, bystander saw an Administration willing to dismantle the very Constitution they sword to uphold and defend; then turn around and say it doesn't apply to them. They didn't do this for the benefit of the country, they did it for self-gain and self-preservation. If that doesn't deserve some sense of outrage, then what is the point of calling ourselves, citizens, voters, or Americans, because those are the binding principles (flawed or not) that we used to defined ourselves. Those are the principles other countries are suppose to hate us for, those are our principles that keep us free. What does it say for Nation whose own leaders show contempt for these very principles?
SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
This basically means we live under a dictatorship….Bush is saying, you can commit crimes on my behalf (lets face it, that is what Libby did) and I will get you off. Disgusting.
I guess if he's been convicted of torturing and murdering a couple of young children, people wouldn't have a problem with his sentence being commuted (if Eddie was OK with it).
I didn't follow it closely enough, but in this case wasn't "obstruction of justice" pretty much a victimless crime?
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I guess if he's been convicted of torturing and murdering a couple of young children, people wouldn't have a problem with his sentence being commuted (if Eddie was OK with it).
I didn't follow it closely enough, but in this case wasn't "obstruction of justice" pretty much a victimless crime?
End justify the means type, huh? So the trial for the West Memphis Three was - problematic to say the least - but you feel they're guilty, so it's O.K. Which is a direct comparison to a man who was convicted fairly (as it appears so far), but didn't do anything all that wrong by your standards, so you're comfortable with the jail time being commuted.
In other words, "Fuck Fair Trials." Now there's a bumper sticker.
I didn't follow it closely enough, but in this case wasn't "obstruction of justice" pretty much a victimless crime?
Hindering an investigation is not a victimless crime. Let's dont forget the perjury verdict either -- that was enough for impeachment for someone I remember that the reichwingers didnt like.
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
End justify the means type, huh? So the trial for the West Memphis Three was - problematic to say the least - but you feel they're guilty, so it's O.K. Which is a direct comparison to a man who was convicted fairly (as it appears so far), but didn't do anything all that wrong by your standards, so you're comfortable with the jail time being commuted.
In other words, "Fuck Fair Trials." Now there's a bumper sticker.
I didn't say anything about whether I felt anyone was guilty. I specifically used the word "convicted" for a reason.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I didn't say anything about whether I felt anyone was guilty. I specifically used the word "convicted" for a reason.
Yet glossed over the details by stating that anyone who might have a problem with how a case was tried is simply a mindless Eddie drone - that they're O.K. with torture and murder, that they don't think about where they stand.
I didn't say anything about whether I felt anyone was guilty. I specifically used the word "convicted" for a reason.
I guess he was awarded "jail time" for NOT being CONVICTED of a crime. And, Bush was just playing a "gotcha" joke by commuting Libby's EXCESSIVE jail sentence.
SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
How do you reach the level of presidential contender without having a career in politics? Obama is the closest we have right now (if he wins two terms, he'll have been a national politician for grand total of 12 years - 4 Senate, 8 President), and he's still considered a careerist. Perhaps some form of presidential lottery?
Politics is a popularity contest. And, as with any other popularity contest, the most popular isn't necessarily the best at anything.
As for Libby's commuted sentence - well, excuse me while I crank up the dial on my complete lack of surprise.
Time isn't what I'm referring to when I say career politician. It's more about what you do while you're in politics, your track record....and it makes all the difference in the world between career politicians (who make moves to further their political aspirations which usually means pandering to interest groups with money and power) and public servants (who make the best moves for the people they are serving despite where the big money is).
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Time isn't what I'm referring to when I say career politician. It's more about what you do while you're in politics, your track record....and it makes all the difference in the world between career politicians (who make moves to further their political aspirations which usually means pandering to interest groups with money and power) and public servants (who make the best moves for the people they are serving despite where the big money is).
Corrupt politician, then? After all, even "public servants" can have a career in politics.
That's interesting. I've often wondered why no one has taken a shot at the worst president in history. But it's because the crazy fucks want him in office. And as criminal as he has been, the people that oppose him are far more sane than those who support him. If it were any of the three you mentioned then the tables would probably be turned.
I would say a peace minded person has a much greater chance of getting killed by a warmongering freak than the other way around.
Yes definitely.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Corrupt politician, then? After all, even "public servants" can have a career in politics.
I guess but these days a career in politics has nothing to do with being a public servant. Many do whatever it takes to further their career and that very often happens to be the opposite of what's best for the public..ahem...like voting to not cap credit card rates.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I guess but these days a career in politics has nothing to do with being a public servant. Many do whatever it takes to further their career and that very often happens to be the opposite of what's best for the public..ahem...like voting to not cap credit card rates.
Or for a constitutional amendment to ban flag desecration.
Or for a constitutional amendment to ban flag desecration.
That's not an example of corruption...it's an example of conviction (one that I don't share) but still two different ball parks there. No one is perfect.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Pardon Grants January 2001
Name Home Town Offenses
ALLEN, Verla Jean Everton, Arkansas False statements to agency of United States
ALTIERE, Nicholas M. Las Vegas, Nevada Importation of cocaine
ALTSCHUL, Bernice Ruth Sherman Village, California Conspiracy to commit money laundering
ANDERSON, Joe, Jr. Grove Hill, Alabama Income tax evasion
ANDERSON, William Sterling Spartanburg, South Carolina Conspiracy to defraud a federally insured financial institution, false statements to a federally insured financial institution, wire fraud
AZIZKHANI, Mansour T. Huntsville, Alabama Conspiracy and making false statements in bank loan applications
BABIN, Cleveland Victor, Jr. Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Conspiracy to commit offense against the United States by utilizing the U.S. mail in furtherance of a scheme to defraud
BAGLEY, Chris Harmon Harrah, Oklahoma Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute cocaine
BANE, Scott Lynn Mahomet, Illinois Unlawful distribution of marijuana
BARBER, Thomas Cleveland Hampton, Florida Issuing worthless checks
BARGON, Peggy Ann Monticello, Illinois Violation of the Lacey Act, violation of the Bald Eagle Protection Act
BHATKA, Tansukhlal Income tax evasion
BLAMPIED, David Roscoe Ketchum, Idaho Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
BORDERS, William Arthur, Jr. Washington, D.C. Conspiracy to corruptly solicit and accept money in return for influencing the official acts of a federal district court judge (Alcee L. Hastings), and to defraud the United States in connection with the performance of lawful government functions; corruptly influencing, obstructing, impeding and endeavoring to influence, obstruct and impede the due administration of justice, and aiding and abetting therein; traveling interstate with intent to commit bribery
BOREL, Arthur David Little Rock, Arkansas Odometer rollback
BOREL, Douglas Charles Conway, Arkansas Odometer rollback
BRABHAM, George Thomas Austin, Texas Making a false statement or report to a federally insured bank
BRASWELL, Almon Glenn Doravilla, Georgia Conspiracy to defraud government with respect to claims; perjury
BROWDER, Leonard Aiken, South Carolina Illegal dispensing of controlled substance and Medicaid fraud
BROWN, David Steven New York, New York Securities fraud and mail fraud
BURLESON, Delores Caroylene, aka Delores Cox Burleson Hanna, Oklahoma Possession of marijuana
BUSTAMANTE, John H. Cleveland, Ohio Wire fraud
CAMPBELL, Mary Louise Ruleville, Mississippi Aiding and abetting the unauthorized use and transfer of food stamps
CANDELARIA, Eloida False information in registering to vote
CAPILI, Dennis Sobrevinas Glendale, California Filing false statements in alien registration
CHAMBERS, Donna Denise Memphis, Tennessee Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute and to distribute cocaine, possession with intent to distribute cocaine, use of a telephone to facilitate cocaine conspiracy
CHAPMAN, Douglas Eugene Scott, Arkansas Bank fraud
CHAPMAN, Ronald Keith Scott, Arkansas Bank fraud
CHAVEZ, Francisco Larios Santa Ana, California Aiding and abetting illegal entry of aliens
CISNEROS, Henry G.
CLINTON, Roger
COHN, Stuart Harris New Haven, Connecticut 1. Illegal sale of gold options
2. Illegal sale of silver options
COOPER, David Marc Wapakoneta, Ohio Conspiracy to defraud the government
COX, Ernest Harley, Jr. Pine Bluff, Arkansas Conspiracy to defraud a federally insured savings and loan, misapplication of bank funds, false statements
CROSS, John F., Jr. Little Rock, Arkansas Embezzlement by a bank employee
CUNNINGHAM, Rickey Lee Amarillo, Texas Possession with intent to distribute marijuana
DE LABIO, Richard Anthony Baltimore, Maryland Mail fraud, aiding and abetting
DEUTCH, John Described in January 19, 2001 information
DOUGLAS, Richard False statements
DOWNE, Edward Reynolds Conspiracy to commit wire fraud and tax evasion; securities fraud
DUDLEY, Marvin Dean Omaha, Nebraska False statements
DUNCAN, Larry Lee Branson, Missouri Altering an automobile odometer
FAIN, Robert Clinton Aiding and assisting in the preparation of a false corporate tax return
FERNANDEZ, Marcos Arcenio Miami, Florida Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute marijuana
FERROUILLET, Alvarez Interstate transport of stolen property, money laundering, false statements
FUGAZY, William Denis Harrison, New York Perjury in a bankruptcy proceeding
GEORGE, Lloyd Reid Mail fraud
GOLDSTEIN, Louis Las Vegas, Nevada Possession of goods stolen from interstate shipment
GORDON, Rubye Lee Tampa, Florida Forgery of U.S. Treasury checks
GREEN, Pincus Switzerland
HAMNER, Robert Ivey Searcy, Arkansas Conspiracy to distribute marijuana, possession of marijuana with intent to distribute
HANDLEY, Samuel Price Hodgenville, Kentucky Conspiracy to steal government property
HANDLEY, Woodie Randolph Hodgenville, Kentucky Conspiracy to steal government property
HARMON, Jay Houston Jonesboro, Arkansas 1. Conspiracy to import marijuana, conspiracy to possess marijuana with intent to distribute, importation of marijuana, possession of marijuana with intent to distribute
2. Conspiracy to import cocaine
HEMMINGSON, John Interstate transport of stolen property, money laundering
HERDLINGER, David S. St. Simons Island, Georgia Mail fraud
HUCKLEBERRY, Debi Rae Ogden, Utah Distribution of methamphetamine
JAMES, Donald Ray Fairfield Bay, Arkansas Mail fraud, wire fraud, and false statement to a bank to influence credit approval
JOBE, Stanley Pruet El Paso, Texas Conspiracy to commit bank fraud, and bank fraud
JOHNSON, Ruben H. Austin, Texas Theft and misapplication of bank funds by a bank officer or director
JONES, Linda Conspiracy to commit bank fraud and other offenses against the United States
LAKE, James Howard Illegal corporate campaign contributions, wire fraud
LEWIS, June Louise Lowellville, Ohio Embezzlement by a bank employee
LEWIS, Salim Bonnor Short Hills, New Jersey Securities fraud, record keeping violations, margin violations
LODWICK, John Leighton Excelsior Springs, Missouri Income tax evasion
LOPEZ, Hildebrando San Isidro, Texas Distribution of cocaine
LUACES, Jose Julio Ft. Lauderdale, Florida Possession of an unregistered firearm
MANESS, James Timothy Conspiracy to distribute a controlled substance
MANNING, James Lowell Little Rock, Arkansas Aiding and assisting in the preparation of a false corporate tax return
MARTIN, John Robert Gulf Breeze, Florida Income tax evasion
MARTINEZ, Frank Ayala Elgin, Texas Conspiracy to supply false documents to the Immigration and Naturalization Service
MARTINEZ, Silvia Leticia Beltran Elgin, Texas Conspiracy to supply false documents to the Immigration and Naturalization Service
McCORMICK, John Francis Dedham, Massachusetts Racketeering conspiracy, racketeering, and violation of the Hobbs act
McDOUGAL, Susan H.
MECHANIC, Howard Lawrence 1. Violating the Civil Disobedience Act of 1968
2. Failure to appear
3. Making false statement in acquiring a passport
MITCHELL, Brook K., Sr. Conspiracy to illegally obtain USDA subsidy payments, false statements to USDA, and false entries on USDA forms
MORGAN, Charles Wilfred, III Little Rock, Arkansas Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
MORISON, Samuel Loring Crofton, Maryland Willful transmission of defense information, unauthorized possession and retention of defense information, theft of government property
NAZZARO, Richard Anthony Winchester, Massachusetts Perjury and conspiracy to commit mail fraud
NOSENKO, Charlene Ann Phoenix, Arizona Conspiracy to defraud the United States, and influencing or injuring an officer or juror generally
OBERMEIER, Vernon Raymond Belleville, Illinois Conspiracy to distribute cocaine, distribution of cocaine, and using a communications facility to facilitate distribution of cocaine
OGALDE, Miguelina Glendale, California Conspiracy to import cocaine
OWEN, David C. Olathe, Kansas Filing a false tax return
PALMER, Robert W. Little Rock, Arkansas Conspiracy to make false statements
PERHOSKY, Kelli Anne Bridgeville, Pennsylvania Conspiracy to commit mail fraud
PEZZOPANE, Richard H. Palo Heights, Illinois Conspiracy to commit racketeering, and mail fraud
PHILLIPS, Orville Rex Waco, Texas Unlawful structure of a financial transaction
POLING, Vinson Stewart, Jr. Baldwin, Maryland Making a false bank entry, and aiding and abetting
PROUSE, Norman Lyle Conyers, Georgia Operating or directing the operation of a common carrier while under the influence of alcohol
PRUITT, Willie H. H., Jr. Port Richey, Florida Absent without official leave
PURSLEY, Danny Martin, Sr. Goodlettsville, Tennessee Aiding and abetting the conduct of an illegal gambling business, and obstruction of state laws to facilitate illegal gambling
RAVENEL, Charles D. Charleston, South Carolina Conspiracy to defraud the United States
RAY, William Clyde Altus, Oklahoma Fraud using a telephone
REGALADO, Alfredo Luna Pharr, Texas Failure to report the transportation of currency in excess of $10,000 into the United States
RICAFORT, Ildefonso Reynes Houston, Texas Submission of false claims to Veterans Administration
RICH, Marc Switzerland
RIDDLE, Howard Winfield Mt. Crested Butte, Colorado Violation of the Lacey Act (receipt of illegally imported animal skins)
RILEY, Richard Wilson, Jr. Possession of cocaine with intent to distribute
ROBBINS, Samuel Lee Cedar Park, Texas Misprision of a felony
RODRIGUEZ, Joel Gonzales Houston, Texas Theft of mail by a postal employee
ROGERS, Michael James McAllen, Texas Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute marijuana
ROSS, Anna Louise Lubbock, Texas Distribution of cocaine
RUST, Gerald Glen Avery, Texas False declarations before grand jury
RUST, Jerri Ann Avery, Texas False declarations before grand jury
RUTHERFORD, Bettye June Albuquerque, New Mexico Possession of marijuana with intent to distribute
SANDS, Gregory Lee Sioux Falls, South Dakota Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
SCHWIMMER, Adolph Conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States, conspiracy to export arms and ammunition to a foreign country and related charges
SERETTI, Albert A., Jr. McKees Rocks, Pennyslvania Conspiracy and wire fraud
SHAW, Patricia Campbell Hearst Wilton, Connecticut Armed bank robbery and using a firearm during a felony
SMITH, Dennis Joseph Redby, Minnesota 1. Unauthorized absence
2. Failure to obey off-limits instructions
3. Unauthorized absence
SMITH, Gerald Owen Florence, Mississippi Armed bank robbery
SMITH, Stephen A.
SPEAKE, Jimmie Lee Breckenridge, Texas Conspiracy to possess and utter counterfeit $20 Federal Reserve notes
STEWART, Charles Bernard Sparta, Georgia Illegally destroying U.S. Mail
STEWART-ROLLINS, Marlena Francisca Euclid, Ohio Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
SYMINGTON, John Fife, III
TANNEHILL, Richard Lee Reno, Nevada Conspiracy and restraint of trade
TENAGLIA, Nicholas C. Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania Receipt of illegal payments under the Medicare program
THOMAS, Gary Allen Lancaster, Texas Theft of mail by postal employee
TODD, Larry Weldon Gardendale, Texas Conspiracy to commit an offense against the U.S. in violation of the Lacey Act and the Airborne Hunting Act
TREVINO, Olga C. Converse, Texas Misapplication by a bank employee
VAMVOUKLIS, Ignatious Exeter, New Hampshire Possession of cocaine
VAN DE WEERD, Patricia A. Tomahawk, Wisconsin Theft by a U.S. Postal employee
WADE, Christopher V.
WARMATH, Bill Wayne Walls, Mississippi Obstruction of correspondence
WATSON, Jack Kenneth Oakridge, Oregon Making false statements of material facts to the U.S. Forest Service
WEBB, Donna Lynn Panama City, Florida False entry in savings and loan record by employee
WELLS, Donald William Phenix City, Alabama Possession of an unregistered firearm
WENDT, Robert H. Kirkwood, Missouri Conspiracy to effectuate the escape of a federal prisoner
WILLIAMS, Jack L. Making false statements to federal agents
WILLIAMS, Kevin Arthur Omaha, Nebraska Conspiracy to distribute and possess with intent to distribute crack cocaine
WILLIAMS, Robert Michael Davison, Michigan Conspiracy to transport in foreign commerce securities obtained by fraud
WILSON, Jimmie Lee Helena, Arkansas Converting property mortgaged or pledged to a farm credit agency, and converting public money to personal use
WINGATE, Thelma Louise Sale City, Georgia Mail fraud
WOOD, Mitchell Couey Sherwood, Arkansas Conspiracy to possess and to distribute cocaine
WOOD, Warren Stannard Las Vegas, Nevada Conspiracy to defraud the United States by filing a false document with the Securities and Exchange Commission
WORTHEY, Dewey Conway, Arkansas Medicaid fraud
YALE, Rick Allen Belleville, Illinois Bank fraud
YASAK, Joseph A. Chicago, Illinois Knowingly making under oath a false declaration regarding a material fact before a grand jury
YINGLING, William Stanley Interstate transportation of stolen vehicle
YOUNG, Phillip David Little Rock, Arkansas Interstate transportation and sale of fish and wildlife
That's not an example of corruption...it's an example of conviction (one that I don't share) but still two different ball parks there. No one is perfect.
Either that, or he didn't want to get labled as a flag burning hippy and have it cost him his congressional seat. Lousy career politicians.
And perhaps the credit card issue was one where Obama was convinced the best way to curb people's credit card spending is to raise the rates. After all, my rate was why I stopped using credit cards. Best thing I ever did, too.
Interesting list of Clinton's pardons...seems to have a soft spot for drug dealers.
I don't think that's it. It's that most of the people locked up are in for drug charges. Plus, I'd say the majority of the time someone is charged with selling they're not even selling, just using. They beef up charges on technicalities because they know it gives them more room to compromise.
And perhaps the credit card issue was one where Obama was convinced the best way to curb people's credit card spending is to raise the rates. After all, my rate was why I stopped using credit cards. Best thing I ever did, too.
Just a little tough love, eh?...nothing to do with contributions. That must be it.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Just a little tough love, eh?...nothing to do with contributions. That must be it.
and that one of his biggest contrbutors is a credit card lobbyist...merely coincidental!
i wonder if he'll exert this type of tough love in other ways? cough nafta/imf advisor
some ppl may have been in government longer but some of them were almost killed over it...over acting for the people instead of giving in to some special interest
i can't believe bush is considering a full pardon....unfucking real
actually, i guess i kinda did, but i thought there'd at least be some time between commuting it and saying he might take everything away
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Is there one fucking federal judge in this country that sides with the honorable best interests of this country?
Fuck the philosophical vagaries
of these overaged
puppet schemes,
and for the
boner in my silky robe
i want to philosophize
my daughter's growth
in a society that i control
for the sake that
i, justice can betroth...
I'm fucking pissed off!
I need one federal judge that sees the wrong in this, and
I swear, if you find me this judge, I will bring these fuckers to his bench
Is there one fucking federal judge in this country that sides with the honorable best interests of this country?
Fuck the philosophical vagaries
of these overaged
puppet schemes,
and for the
boner in my silky robe
i want to philosophize
my daughter's growth
in a society that i control
for the sake that
i, justice can betroth...
I'm fucking pissed off!
I need one federal judge that sees the wrong in this, and
I swear, if you find me this judge, I will bring these fuckers to his bench
With a citizen's arrest!
you have a daughter?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
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I've seen that sticker too and here's my problem with it. The only people that are ever outraged are the people that are "opposite" of the party of the president.
For example, people here outraged for this Libby situation, were they outraged over Clinton trading pardons for $$$?? Doubt it. How many are calling out Hillary for her ridiculous rant on it?
All this bullshit is our fault. All of us should be outraged, no matter the party in power. But as long as our "team" is winning, we won't be.
very true, my friend...
all I know is, I'm pretty sick of the lame-ass dems...I now understand the notion of "picking the lesser of two evils" used by many in 2004...
I'm thinking this country is ready for a 3rd party to step into the mix....I'm watching Bloomburg...he can't be any worse than what we currently have...
as for libby...he's a dick who got a free pass...nothing new for DC...
George Bush won the last election with just over 50% of the vote. He's currently polling at around 27%. How many of the remaining 23-24% voted for him solely because they didn't want that backstabbing traitor John Kerry sleeping in the White House with his foreign tart of a wife? And, on the flip side, how many voted for Kerry to stop monkey face from throwing feces at everyone outside our borders?
How do you fix it? You can say "don't vote for 'em, then." But then what? Vote for some third tier or third party person who, in the end, will gladly take all the power you offer and screw just as many in the process - provided he or she screws the people you think need screwed? I've no solution. I'm just ranting over something I see as a major problem. It's not a problem with our country, or our education, or our society, or any kind of "other." It's a problem with humans. Lousy animals.
P.S., I do like to see the occasional conservative talk about the fault being "ours," though. See, shared responsibility isn't so bad.
Everyone, democrats and republicans, liberals and conservatives, green party and independents, bystander saw an Administration willing to dismantle the very Constitution they sword to uphold and defend; then turn around and say it doesn't apply to them. They didn't do this for the benefit of the country, they did it for self-gain and self-preservation. If that doesn't deserve some sense of outrage, then what is the point of calling ourselves, citizens, voters, or Americans, because those are the binding principles (flawed or not) that we used to defined ourselves. Those are the principles other countries are suppose to hate us for, those are our principles that keep us free. What does it say for Nation whose own leaders show contempt for these very principles?
I have that sticker and I'm outraged at both parties. Woo hoo!
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I didn't follow it closely enough, but in this case wasn't "obstruction of justice" pretty much a victimless crime?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
In other words, "Fuck Fair Trials." Now there's a bumper sticker.
Hindering an investigation is not a victimless crime. Let's dont forget the perjury verdict either -- that was enough for impeachment for someone I remember that the reichwingers didnt like.
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
I didn't say anything about whether I felt anyone was guilty. I specifically used the word "convicted" for a reason.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I guess he was awarded "jail time" for NOT being CONVICTED of a crime. And, Bush was just playing a "gotcha" joke by commuting Libby's EXCESSIVE jail sentence.
Time isn't what I'm referring to when I say career politician. It's more about what you do while you're in politics, your track record....and it makes all the difference in the world between career politicians (who make moves to further their political aspirations which usually means pandering to interest groups with money and power) and public servants (who make the best moves for the people they are serving despite where the big money is).
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I would say a peace minded person has a much greater chance of getting killed by a warmongering freak than the other way around.
Yes definitely.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I guess but these days a career in politics has nothing to do with being a public servant. Many do whatever it takes to further their career and that very often happens to be the opposite of what's best for the public..ahem...like voting to not cap credit card rates.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
That's not an example of corruption...it's an example of conviction (one that I don't share) but still two different ball parks there. No one is perfect.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pardonchartlst.htm
Washington, D.C. 20530
January 20, 2001
Pardon Grants January 2001
Name Home Town Offenses
ALLEN, Verla Jean Everton, Arkansas False statements to agency of United States
ALTIERE, Nicholas M. Las Vegas, Nevada Importation of cocaine
ALTSCHUL, Bernice Ruth Sherman Village, California Conspiracy to commit money laundering
ANDERSON, Joe, Jr. Grove Hill, Alabama Income tax evasion
ANDERSON, William Sterling Spartanburg, South Carolina Conspiracy to defraud a federally insured financial institution, false statements to a federally insured financial institution, wire fraud
AZIZKHANI, Mansour T. Huntsville, Alabama Conspiracy and making false statements in bank loan applications
BABIN, Cleveland Victor, Jr. Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Conspiracy to commit offense against the United States by utilizing the U.S. mail in furtherance of a scheme to defraud
BAGLEY, Chris Harmon Harrah, Oklahoma Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute cocaine
BANE, Scott Lynn Mahomet, Illinois Unlawful distribution of marijuana
BARBER, Thomas Cleveland Hampton, Florida Issuing worthless checks
BARGON, Peggy Ann Monticello, Illinois Violation of the Lacey Act, violation of the Bald Eagle Protection Act
BHATKA, Tansukhlal Income tax evasion
BLAMPIED, David Roscoe Ketchum, Idaho Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
BORDERS, William Arthur, Jr. Washington, D.C. Conspiracy to corruptly solicit and accept money in return for influencing the official acts of a federal district court judge (Alcee L. Hastings), and to defraud the United States in connection with the performance of lawful government functions; corruptly influencing, obstructing, impeding and endeavoring to influence, obstruct and impede the due administration of justice, and aiding and abetting therein; traveling interstate with intent to commit bribery
BOREL, Arthur David Little Rock, Arkansas Odometer rollback
BOREL, Douglas Charles Conway, Arkansas Odometer rollback
BRABHAM, George Thomas Austin, Texas Making a false statement or report to a federally insured bank
BRASWELL, Almon Glenn Doravilla, Georgia Conspiracy to defraud government with respect to claims; perjury
BROWDER, Leonard Aiken, South Carolina Illegal dispensing of controlled substance and Medicaid fraud
BROWN, David Steven New York, New York Securities fraud and mail fraud
BURLESON, Delores Caroylene, aka Delores Cox Burleson Hanna, Oklahoma Possession of marijuana
BUSTAMANTE, John H. Cleveland, Ohio Wire fraud
CAMPBELL, Mary Louise Ruleville, Mississippi Aiding and abetting the unauthorized use and transfer of food stamps
CANDELARIA, Eloida False information in registering to vote
CAPILI, Dennis Sobrevinas Glendale, California Filing false statements in alien registration
CHAMBERS, Donna Denise Memphis, Tennessee Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute and to distribute cocaine, possession with intent to distribute cocaine, use of a telephone to facilitate cocaine conspiracy
CHAPMAN, Douglas Eugene Scott, Arkansas Bank fraud
CHAPMAN, Ronald Keith Scott, Arkansas Bank fraud
CHAVEZ, Francisco Larios Santa Ana, California Aiding and abetting illegal entry of aliens
CISNEROS, Henry G.
CLINTON, Roger
COHN, Stuart Harris New Haven, Connecticut 1. Illegal sale of gold options
2. Illegal sale of silver options
COOPER, David Marc Wapakoneta, Ohio Conspiracy to defraud the government
COX, Ernest Harley, Jr. Pine Bluff, Arkansas Conspiracy to defraud a federally insured savings and loan, misapplication of bank funds, false statements
CROSS, John F., Jr. Little Rock, Arkansas Embezzlement by a bank employee
CUNNINGHAM, Rickey Lee Amarillo, Texas Possession with intent to distribute marijuana
DE LABIO, Richard Anthony Baltimore, Maryland Mail fraud, aiding and abetting
DEUTCH, John Described in January 19, 2001 information
DOUGLAS, Richard False statements
DOWNE, Edward Reynolds Conspiracy to commit wire fraud and tax evasion; securities fraud
DUDLEY, Marvin Dean Omaha, Nebraska False statements
DUNCAN, Larry Lee Branson, Missouri Altering an automobile odometer
FAIN, Robert Clinton Aiding and assisting in the preparation of a false corporate tax return
FERNANDEZ, Marcos Arcenio Miami, Florida Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute marijuana
FERROUILLET, Alvarez Interstate transport of stolen property, money laundering, false statements
FUGAZY, William Denis Harrison, New York Perjury in a bankruptcy proceeding
GEORGE, Lloyd Reid Mail fraud
GOLDSTEIN, Louis Las Vegas, Nevada Possession of goods stolen from interstate shipment
GORDON, Rubye Lee Tampa, Florida Forgery of U.S. Treasury checks
GREEN, Pincus Switzerland
HAMNER, Robert Ivey Searcy, Arkansas Conspiracy to distribute marijuana, possession of marijuana with intent to distribute
HANDLEY, Samuel Price Hodgenville, Kentucky Conspiracy to steal government property
HANDLEY, Woodie Randolph Hodgenville, Kentucky Conspiracy to steal government property
HARMON, Jay Houston Jonesboro, Arkansas 1. Conspiracy to import marijuana, conspiracy to possess marijuana with intent to distribute, importation of marijuana, possession of marijuana with intent to distribute
2. Conspiracy to import cocaine
HEMMINGSON, John Interstate transport of stolen property, money laundering
HERDLINGER, David S. St. Simons Island, Georgia Mail fraud
HUCKLEBERRY, Debi Rae Ogden, Utah Distribution of methamphetamine
JAMES, Donald Ray Fairfield Bay, Arkansas Mail fraud, wire fraud, and false statement to a bank to influence credit approval
JOBE, Stanley Pruet El Paso, Texas Conspiracy to commit bank fraud, and bank fraud
JOHNSON, Ruben H. Austin, Texas Theft and misapplication of bank funds by a bank officer or director
JONES, Linda Conspiracy to commit bank fraud and other offenses against the United States
LAKE, James Howard Illegal corporate campaign contributions, wire fraud
LEWIS, June Louise Lowellville, Ohio Embezzlement by a bank employee
LEWIS, Salim Bonnor Short Hills, New Jersey Securities fraud, record keeping violations, margin violations
LODWICK, John Leighton Excelsior Springs, Missouri Income tax evasion
LOPEZ, Hildebrando San Isidro, Texas Distribution of cocaine
LUACES, Jose Julio Ft. Lauderdale, Florida Possession of an unregistered firearm
MANESS, James Timothy Conspiracy to distribute a controlled substance
MANNING, James Lowell Little Rock, Arkansas Aiding and assisting in the preparation of a false corporate tax return
MARTIN, John Robert Gulf Breeze, Florida Income tax evasion
MARTINEZ, Frank Ayala Elgin, Texas Conspiracy to supply false documents to the Immigration and Naturalization Service
MARTINEZ, Silvia Leticia Beltran Elgin, Texas Conspiracy to supply false documents to the Immigration and Naturalization Service
McCORMICK, John Francis Dedham, Massachusetts Racketeering conspiracy, racketeering, and violation of the Hobbs act
McDOUGAL, Susan H.
MECHANIC, Howard Lawrence 1. Violating the Civil Disobedience Act of 1968
2. Failure to appear
3. Making false statement in acquiring a passport
MITCHELL, Brook K., Sr. Conspiracy to illegally obtain USDA subsidy payments, false statements to USDA, and false entries on USDA forms
MORGAN, Charles Wilfred, III Little Rock, Arkansas Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
MORISON, Samuel Loring Crofton, Maryland Willful transmission of defense information, unauthorized possession and retention of defense information, theft of government property
NAZZARO, Richard Anthony Winchester, Massachusetts Perjury and conspiracy to commit mail fraud
NOSENKO, Charlene Ann Phoenix, Arizona Conspiracy to defraud the United States, and influencing or injuring an officer or juror generally
OBERMEIER, Vernon Raymond Belleville, Illinois Conspiracy to distribute cocaine, distribution of cocaine, and using a communications facility to facilitate distribution of cocaine
OGALDE, Miguelina Glendale, California Conspiracy to import cocaine
OWEN, David C. Olathe, Kansas Filing a false tax return
PALMER, Robert W. Little Rock, Arkansas Conspiracy to make false statements
PERHOSKY, Kelli Anne Bridgeville, Pennsylvania Conspiracy to commit mail fraud
PEZZOPANE, Richard H. Palo Heights, Illinois Conspiracy to commit racketeering, and mail fraud
PHILLIPS, Orville Rex Waco, Texas Unlawful structure of a financial transaction
POLING, Vinson Stewart, Jr. Baldwin, Maryland Making a false bank entry, and aiding and abetting
PROUSE, Norman Lyle Conyers, Georgia Operating or directing the operation of a common carrier while under the influence of alcohol
PRUITT, Willie H. H., Jr. Port Richey, Florida Absent without official leave
PURSLEY, Danny Martin, Sr. Goodlettsville, Tennessee Aiding and abetting the conduct of an illegal gambling business, and obstruction of state laws to facilitate illegal gambling
RAVENEL, Charles D. Charleston, South Carolina Conspiracy to defraud the United States
RAY, William Clyde Altus, Oklahoma Fraud using a telephone
REGALADO, Alfredo Luna Pharr, Texas Failure to report the transportation of currency in excess of $10,000 into the United States
RICAFORT, Ildefonso Reynes Houston, Texas Submission of false claims to Veterans Administration
RICH, Marc Switzerland
RIDDLE, Howard Winfield Mt. Crested Butte, Colorado Violation of the Lacey Act (receipt of illegally imported animal skins)
RILEY, Richard Wilson, Jr. Possession of cocaine with intent to distribute
ROBBINS, Samuel Lee Cedar Park, Texas Misprision of a felony
RODRIGUEZ, Joel Gonzales Houston, Texas Theft of mail by a postal employee
ROGERS, Michael James McAllen, Texas Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute marijuana
ROSS, Anna Louise Lubbock, Texas Distribution of cocaine
RUST, Gerald Glen Avery, Texas False declarations before grand jury
RUST, Jerri Ann Avery, Texas False declarations before grand jury
RUTHERFORD, Bettye June Albuquerque, New Mexico Possession of marijuana with intent to distribute
SANDS, Gregory Lee Sioux Falls, South Dakota Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
SCHWIMMER, Adolph Conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States, conspiracy to export arms and ammunition to a foreign country and related charges
SERETTI, Albert A., Jr. McKees Rocks, Pennyslvania Conspiracy and wire fraud
SHAW, Patricia Campbell Hearst Wilton, Connecticut Armed bank robbery and using a firearm during a felony
SMITH, Dennis Joseph Redby, Minnesota 1. Unauthorized absence
2. Failure to obey off-limits instructions
3. Unauthorized absence
SMITH, Gerald Owen Florence, Mississippi Armed bank robbery
SMITH, Stephen A.
SPEAKE, Jimmie Lee Breckenridge, Texas Conspiracy to possess and utter counterfeit $20 Federal Reserve notes
STEWART, Charles Bernard Sparta, Georgia Illegally destroying U.S. Mail
STEWART-ROLLINS, Marlena Francisca Euclid, Ohio Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
SYMINGTON, John Fife, III
TANNEHILL, Richard Lee Reno, Nevada Conspiracy and restraint of trade
TENAGLIA, Nicholas C. Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania Receipt of illegal payments under the Medicare program
THOMAS, Gary Allen Lancaster, Texas Theft of mail by postal employee
TODD, Larry Weldon Gardendale, Texas Conspiracy to commit an offense against the U.S. in violation of the Lacey Act and the Airborne Hunting Act
TREVINO, Olga C. Converse, Texas Misapplication by a bank employee
VAMVOUKLIS, Ignatious Exeter, New Hampshire Possession of cocaine
VAN DE WEERD, Patricia A. Tomahawk, Wisconsin Theft by a U.S. Postal employee
WADE, Christopher V.
WARMATH, Bill Wayne Walls, Mississippi Obstruction of correspondence
WATSON, Jack Kenneth Oakridge, Oregon Making false statements of material facts to the U.S. Forest Service
WEBB, Donna Lynn Panama City, Florida False entry in savings and loan record by employee
WELLS, Donald William Phenix City, Alabama Possession of an unregistered firearm
WENDT, Robert H. Kirkwood, Missouri Conspiracy to effectuate the escape of a federal prisoner
WILLIAMS, Jack L. Making false statements to federal agents
WILLIAMS, Kevin Arthur Omaha, Nebraska Conspiracy to distribute and possess with intent to distribute crack cocaine
WILLIAMS, Robert Michael Davison, Michigan Conspiracy to transport in foreign commerce securities obtained by fraud
WILSON, Jimmie Lee Helena, Arkansas Converting property mortgaged or pledged to a farm credit agency, and converting public money to personal use
WINGATE, Thelma Louise Sale City, Georgia Mail fraud
WOOD, Mitchell Couey Sherwood, Arkansas Conspiracy to possess and to distribute cocaine
WOOD, Warren Stannard Las Vegas, Nevada Conspiracy to defraud the United States by filing a false document with the Securities and Exchange Commission
WORTHEY, Dewey Conway, Arkansas Medicaid fraud
YALE, Rick Allen Belleville, Illinois Bank fraud
YASAK, Joseph A. Chicago, Illinois Knowingly making under oath a false declaration regarding a material fact before a grand jury
YINGLING, William Stanley Interstate transportation of stolen vehicle
YOUNG, Phillip David Little Rock, Arkansas Interstate transportation and sale of fish and wildlife
And perhaps the credit card issue was one where Obama was convinced the best way to curb people's credit card spending is to raise the rates. After all, my rate was why I stopped using credit cards. Best thing I ever did, too.
I highly doubt that. He's always stood up for what for he believes even when it hurt his political career. See Muny Light.
http://www.hubbertpeak.com/politics/Kucinich.htm
Just a little tough love, eh?...nothing to do with contributions. That must be it.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
and that one of his biggest contrbutors is a credit card lobbyist...merely coincidental!
i wonder if he'll exert this type of tough love in other ways? cough nafta/imf advisor
some ppl may have been in government longer but some of them were almost killed over it...over acting for the people instead of giving in to some special interest
i can't believe bush is considering a full pardon....unfucking real
actually, i guess i kinda did, but i thought there'd at least be some time between commuting it and saying he might take everything away
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Fuck the philosophical vagaries
of these overaged
puppet schemes,
and for the
boner in my silky robe
i want to philosophize
my daughter's growth
in a society that i control
for the sake that
i, justice can betroth...
I'm fucking pissed off!
I need one federal judge that sees the wrong in this, and
I swear, if you find me this judge, I will bring these fuckers to his bench
With a citizen's arrest!
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you have a daughter?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
No.
I'm the federal judge that never was.
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