Libby Sentence Commuted

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  • Drew263
    Drew263 Birmingham, AL Posts: 602
    NYbenben wrote:
    This is the biggest crock of shit injustice that has ever been pulled by a president...

    1-20-2009... Cant wait...

    You must be young....
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Drew263 wrote:
    You must be young....

    True. I wish this was the biggest crock of shit pulled by a president but unfortunetly this is small beans compared to others.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Drew263
    Drew263 Birmingham, AL Posts: 602
    mammasan wrote:
    True. I wish this was the biggest crock of shit pulled by a president but unfortunetly this is small beans compared to others.

    yeah, I mean come on...this is laughable, especially considering our recent past...as in last decade.

    HHKC is right, the system is the problem. All of our politicians are nothing but crooks. Ultimately though, I think we are to blame. We are the ones that fall in love with our BS candidates each election. This Obama craze being an example. He's just another politician who is full of shit also. McCain..etc etc.

    End career politicians and I think we'd see a lot of these problems go away.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Drew263 wrote:
    yeah, I mean come on...this is laughable, especially considering our recent past...as in last decade.

    HHKC is right, the system is the problem. All of our politicians are nothing but crooks. Ultimately though, I think we are to blame. We are the ones that fall in love with our BS candidates each election. This Obama craze being an example. He's just another politician who is full of shit also. McCain..etc etc.

    End career politicians and I think we'd see a lot of these problems go away.

    Completely agree with. I couldn't have said it better myself.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Flannel Shirt
    Flannel Shirt Posts: 1,021
    I saw this on the news last night and I really expected all the networks to bust into this story. Nothing. Nothing happened. CNN and FOX barely touched on it. Zero of the major networks did shit with it. They waited until the normal news broadcast. This is absolutely fucked up.

    Unbelieveable...........

    He has a felony on his record? Who cares???? He was fine 250K. Come on now, thats like us paying a ten dollar parking ticket.

    United States of America. Fucking awesome.

    John Edwards for President.

    I pray.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Flannel Shirt wrote:
    I saw this on the news last night and I really expected all the networks to bust into this story. Nothing. Nothing happened. CNN and FOX barely touched on it. Zero of the major networks did shit with it. They waited until the normal news broadcast. This is absolutely fucked up.

    Unbelieveable...........

    He has a felony on his record? Who cares???? He was fine 250K. Come on now, thats like us paying a ten dollar parking ticket.

    United States of America. Fucking awesome.

    John Edwards for President.

    I pray.


    No offense but do you really think Edwards will do any different. OK he might not be as bad as Bush but he will fall in line with the rest of them.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Flannel Shirt
    Flannel Shirt Posts: 1,021
    mammasan wrote:
    No offense but do you really think Edwards will do any different. OK he might not be as bad as Bush but he will fall in line with the rest of them.
    Call me crazy, but I believe him. Yes, he will do different. I know it.
    All that's sacred, comes from youth....dedications, naive and true.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Flannel Shirt wrote:
    Call me crazy, but I believe him. Yes, he will do different. I know it.

    Well I give you credit for supporting a candidate you believe in and not just the one who has a D or R after their name.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    Thank you Mr. President for your unwise decision. You know, if Libby had done a little time, he would have faded into the background, forgotten as a victim of a corrupt Administration and the full pardon everyone expected would have been taken as bitter sweet. As it stands now, in the eyes of many people, you have forever branded Libby as a participating traitor against this country. His family will always suffer that shame and not even a full pardon will now erase that stigma.

    As President, as Commander-in-Chief, you don't seem to believe in or respect the man-made laws of this Nation.

    So tell us, as a god fearing man, how does God judge
    -those, who bear false witness
    -those, who covet
    -those, who liken themselves as gods
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    Drew263 wrote:
    yeah, I mean come on...this is laughable, especially considering our recent past...as in last decade.

    HHKC is right, the system is the problem. All of our politicians are nothing but crooks. Ultimately though, I think we are to blame. We are the ones that fall in love with our BS candidates each election. This Obama craze being an example. He's just another politician who is full of shit also. McCain..etc etc.

    End career politicians and I think we'd see a lot of these problems go away.
    How do you reach the level of presidential contender without having a career in politics? Obama is the closest we have right now (if he wins two terms, he'll have been a national politician for grand total of 12 years - 4 Senate, 8 President), and he's still considered a careerist. Perhaps some form of presidential lottery?

    Politics is a popularity contest. And, as with any other popularity contest, the most popular isn't necessarily the best at anything.

    As for Libby's commuted sentence - well, excuse me while I crank up the dial on my complete lack of surprise.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    zzzzzzzzzzz ... that is the real story here ...

    america has been asleep for some time now - this barely registers on the bush legacy radar ... he's gotten away with waaaaaaaay worse - so, really, if you're suprised or appalled - you've been fooling yourself for far too long ...

    this only happens to people who are too ignorant and apathetic to do something about it ...

    someone say political suicide? ... not likely ...
  • Flannel Shirt
    Flannel Shirt Posts: 1,021
    polaris wrote:
    zzzzzzzzzzz ... that is the real story here ...

    america has been asleep for some time now - this barely registers on the bush legacy radar ... he's gotten away with waaaaaaaay worse - so, really, if you're suprised or appalled - you've been fooling yourself for far too long ...

    this only happens to people who are too ignorant and apathetic to do something about it ...

    someone say political suicide? ... not likely ...
    You should still be appalled. If not, there is something wrong with you. I'll give you the suprised...

    Suicide? The guy is a billionaire who is leaving office anyway. Like he gives a rats ass.

    Besides, he might just make himself fucking king in the next couple months anyway...
    All that's sacred, comes from youth....dedications, naive and true.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    Flannel Shirt wrote:
    You should still be appalled. If not, there is something wrong with you. I'll give you the suprised...

    Suicide? The guy is a billionaire who is leaving office anyway. Like he gives a rats ass.

    Besides, he might just make himself fucking king in the next couple months anyway...

    but if one is to be appalled - shouldn't that translate into actually doing something about it? ... not sure - you might have me there ...

    either way - he'll get his pardon come 2008 ... that we can bank on ...
  • Flannel Shirt
    Flannel Shirt Posts: 1,021
    polaris wrote:
    but if one is to be appalled - shouldn't that translate into actually doing something about it? ... not sure - you might have me there ...

    either way - he'll get his pardon come 2008 ... that we can bank on ...
    I would bet that some of the people in here are trying to do something about it, possibly calling congressmen, senators, writing letters, etc...
    All that's sacred, comes from youth....dedications, naive and true.
  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    Presidential pardon is not new and is a Constitutional right of the President.

    Reagan commuted over 400 folks

    Clinton over 500, including his furry of them during his final week.

    Not sure about Bush, but given his tendency to take care of his own, I'm sure it's in line with the folks above.

    So, complain about this stupid "right," if anything. And it IS ridiculous, it's a priviledge that has ZERO review by any other branch. We can comment on this certainly, but it's hardly going "above the law" as folks are saying. Bush thought the sentence was excessive and did what he did. Hardly surprising.

    And Hillary getting on a soapbox over this is so hypocritical that I'm not sure how to comment on it. Her husband aside, I'm sure she'll exercise this too if/when she's president.
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  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    SuzannePjam wrote:
    Of course Bush commuted Libby's sentance. It was all in the deal when Scooty boy took the fall for Dead Eye Dick. No one in the Bush Administration was going to have Scooter shooting off his mouth in retaliation for going to jail. It was a Fait Accompli.

    Happy 4th everyone. Justice is dead in America.
    I think you're right on. Everyone knows Libby was just covering Cheney's ass from the start. He followed orders and at least Bush didn't make Libby take the full heat of it. But at the same time, shame on Libby for not being honest. Cheney and Bush are both criminals. They think they're above the law and my fear is they'll end up being right about that because American's are by and large fucking idiots who are more interested in Paris fucking Hilton than anything that really matters. Wow, that definitely turned into a rant.
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    fanch75 wrote:
    Presidential pardon is not new and is a Constitutional right of the President.

    Reagan commuted over 400 folks

    Clinton over 500, including his furry of them during his final week.

    Not sure about Bush, but given his tendency to take care of his own, I'm sure it's in line with the folks above.

    So, complain about this stupid "right," if anything. And it IS ridiculous, it's a priviledge that has ZERO review by any other branch. We can comment on this certainly, but it's hardly going "above the law" as folks are saying. Bush thought the sentence was excessive and did what he did. Hardly surprising.

    And Hillary getting on a soapbox over this is so hypocritical that I'm not sure how to comment on it. Her husband aside, I'm sure she'll exercise this too if/when she's president.
    You're exactly right, he's not doing anything that past presidents haven't done. I have a problem with presidential pardons and always have. Sure it's his right but I don't think it should be. Same with executive privilege. Executive privilege is nowhere in the constitution and had no legal relevance until Nixon came along....as far as I understand it. But still, not in the constitution. It completely undermines the checks and balances system that we supposedly have. It's flat out wrong.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Drew263 wrote:
    yeah, I mean come on...this is laughable, especially considering our recent past...as in last decade.

    HHKC is right, the system is the problem. All of our politicians are nothing but crooks. Ultimately though, I think we are to blame. We are the ones that fall in love with our BS candidates each election. This Obama craze being an example. He's just another politician who is full of shit also. McCain..etc etc.

    End career politicians and I think we'd see a lot of these problems go away.


    Agree.

    Big money gets what it wants. Put in Kucinich, Gravel, or, Paul, and I'd go so far as to say they would get assassinated, or a "terrible accident" would happen.
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  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Agree.

    Big money gets what it wants. Put in Kucinich, Gravel, or, Paul, and I'd go so far as to say they would get assassinated, or a "terrible accident" would happen.
    That's interesting. I've often wondered why no one has taken a shot at the worst president in history. But it's because the crazy fucks want him in office. And as criminal as he has been, the people that oppose him are far more sane than those who support him. If it were any of the three you mentioned then the tables would probably be turned.
  • John Budge
    John Budge Posts: 259
    Flannel Shirt wrote:
    You should still be appalled. If not, there is something wrong with you. I'll give you the suprised...

    Suicide? The guy is a billionaire who is leaving office anyway. Like he gives a rats ass.

    Besides, he might just make himself fucking king in the next couple months anyway...
    Bush, Cheney, and the rest the asshats in the WH aren't worth getting upset about.

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