Victory for the Ladies (those age 18+)

my2hands

taking a pill hours after sex is murder

humanlight

Can any choice be negative for that matter? Limitations I see as negative, choices are options. If you do not like the choice, then don't take it. this is how I feel about abortion. It is simply another choice for some...not me, but at least those who need it have it. same for this pill.

surferdude

humanlight wrote:

Can any choice be negative for that matter?

So you want to live in a world with no accepted morals not any desire for common morals or standards of behavior as they impose limitations. Interesting.

cornnifer

RainDog wrote:

Really? Cool.

So, what's the beef, here? You talk about responsibility regarding sex, yet only mention women. So, either they're going to join men in their irresponsibility - that sexual resoponsibility was always the sole domain of women - or men and women were already on a level playing field and now women can be more irresponsible than men.

i didn't say anything about birth control being the sole responsibility of women. A man, obviously will not be taking this pill. He can certainly encourage its use, however. Men can, and will, rely on this just as much as women. It allows them to be irresponsible as well.
Its kind of like how men are the ones to wear condoms, but a woman should insist on it.

humanlight

cornnifer wrote:

You're absolutely right, because, i'm sure that's exactly why this pill needs to be so easily accessible. For all those rape victims. i'm sure thats EXACTLY who will be using this drug the most. i'm sure every woman alive is rushing to the store, even as we speak, to pick up a bottle of these just in case they are raped this weekend.

I know that...and I know this may be more convient for some women, but for those who are raped...by a stranger, boyfriend, husband, etc. this gives them another option. I know that IF (god forbid) it happened to me, I would want to take the pill.

humanlight

surferdude wrote:

So you want to live in a world with no accepted morals not any desire for common morals or standards of behavior as they impose limitations. Interesting.

Now, you are just twisting my words. I feel that I am a very moral person. I do not feel that abortion is okay for birth control. but I also understand there are people in this country that have very different morals than me. I just don't feel like my moral standards should be imposed on others. Let there be 50 choices! I know my morals and I will stand by them. I just don't feel like limiting choices (in any situation) is a better option.

cornnifer

humanlight wrote:

I know that...and I know this may be more convient for some women, but for those who are raped...by a stranger, boyfriend, husband, etc. this gives them another option. I know that IF (god forbid) it happened to me, I would want to take the pill.

i would as well. i would also, under such circumstances, expect to be able to obtain it from a doctor or some other emergency authorities.

humanlight

cornnifer wrote:

i would as well. i would also, under such circumstances, expect to be able to obtain it from a doctor or some other emergency authorities.

In a perfect society that may be true...hell in a perfect society Plan B would not even be needed. But there are always people who cannot afford to see a doctor. These are also people who probably cannot afford birth control. I work in very very rural KY, and most of the adults I see have not been to a doctor in years b/c they cannot afford it.

Here is another scenerio where Plan B is a good thing:

A commited couple is have sex and using condoms at thier form of protection. the condom breaks! they were being responsible, but something happened. does that constitue a doctor's visit. Like someone else said on here. the pill is called Plan B, meaing (oh crap...something happened that we did not expect).

VictoryGin

surferdude wrote:

HM or VG, Do either of you know the success rate of the 'Plan B' pill working? If it is high should this now do away with the idea of child support resulting from one night stands? In that the woman had options after the fact to avoid pregnancy but chose not to take them.

How Well Emergency Contraception Works

Progestin-only EC reduces the risk of pregnancy by 89 percent if started within 72 hours of unprotected intercourse. For example, eight out of 100 women will become pregnant after having unprotected sex once during the second or third week of their cycles. But only one woman out of 100 will become pregnant after taking progestin-only EC.

Combination EC reduces the risk of pregnancy by 75 percent if started within 72 hours of unprotected intercourse. Only two out of 100 will become pregnant after taking combination EC.

Emergency contraception is meant as backup birth control only. EC is not as effective as the correct and consistent use of reversible contraception — the IUD, the shot, the pill, the patch, or the ring.

EC does not continue to prevent pregnancy during the rest of the cycle. Other methods of birth control must be used.

Emergency contraception offers no protection against sexually transmitted infections. You may want to consider testing for sexually transmitted infections if there is a possibility that unprotected sex put you at risk.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/pp2/portal/files/portal/medicalinfo/ec/pub-emergency-contraception.xml#1156433779353::-6418514816611008894

In response to your other questions, I'd say 'no'. The bottom line for me is that women cannot be forced to either be pregnant, or not be pregnant, and they should not be punished for their reproductive choices.

hippiemom

How did this turn into a debate on responsibility? Taking action to prevent an unwanted consequence IS responsible! Why does it matter if that action is taken before or after sex? What's it to you if some women use this as their only method of birth control?

Seems to me that a lot of people have a problem with women being able to have sex whenever they feel like it.

This is a blessing to rape victims, particularly those unfortunate enough to be taken by ambulance to a Catholic hospital where it never was and probably never will be offered, but of course it isn't only for them. It's for when the condom breaks. It's for when the suitcase with your pills doesn't get to Hawaii until three days after you do. It's for when an unexpected opportunity arises and you don't have your diaphragm with you. It's for when Mr. Cuervo convinces you that something is a good idea, and the next day you realize that it probably wasn't.

Maybe you think a lifetime of unwanted parenthood is a just penalty for a single night of drunken stupidity, but I don't. I don't have a need for this pill anymore, but I sure am glad it's there for my daughters and for every other woman who wants it.

humanlight

hippiemom wrote:

How did this turn into a debate on responsibility? Taking action to prevent an unwanted consequence IS responsible! Why does it matter if that action is taken before or after sex? What's it to you if some women use this as their only method of birth control?

Seems to me that a lot of people have a problem with women being able to have sex whenever they feel like it.

This is a blessing to rape victims, particularly those unfortunate enough to be taken by ambulance to a Catholic hospital where it never was and probably never will be offered, but of course it isn't only for them. It's for when the condom breaks. It's for when the suitcase with your pills doesn't get to Hawaii until three days after you do. It's for when an unexpected opportunity arises and you don't have your diaphragm with you. It's for when Mr. Cuervo convinces you that something is a good idea, and the next day you realize that it probably wasn't.

Maybe you think a lifetime of unwanted parenthood is a just penalty for a single night of drunken stupidity, but I don't. I don't have a need for this pill anymore, but I sure am glad it's there for my daughters and for every other woman who wants it.

I am standing up and applauding out loud!!!!! Amen Sister!!!!

VictoryGin

hippiemom wrote:

How did this turn into a debate on responsibility? Taking action to prevent an unwanted consequence IS responsible! Why does it matter if that action is taken before or after sex? What's it to you if some women use this as their only method of birth control?

Seems to me that a lot of people have a problem with women being able to have sex whenever they feel like it.

This is a blessing to rape victims, particularly those unfortunate enough to be taken by ambulance to a Catholic hospital where it never was and probably never will be offered, but of course it isn't only for them. It's for when the condom breaks. It's for when the suitcase with your pills doesn't get to Hawaii until three days after you do. It's for when an unexpected opportunity arises and you don't have your diaphragm with you. It's for when Mr. Cuervo convinces you that something is a good idea, and the next day you realize that it probably wasn't.

Maybe you think a lifetime of unwanted parenthood is a just penalty for a single night of drunken stupidity, but I don't. I don't have a need for this pill anymore, but I sure am glad it's there for my daughters and for every other woman who wants it.

Amen! I say AMEN!

Take charge of your sexuality!

surferdude

VictoryGin wrote:

Amen! I say AMEN!

Take charge of your sexuality!

How does this coincide with taking men for child support? Take charge of your sexuality but hold men fiscally responsible for your choices.

MCG

I agree with the argument that this is a good thing for women who became pregnant from rape, I've used it myself once or twice on different topics. However, it seems to me that the ratio of the number rape victims using Plan B compared to the number of women who just didn't use birth control in a consentual sexual situation using Plan B will be quite small.

Does anyone know the percentage of accidental pregnancies that are attributed to rape?

Milhouse VanHouten

hippiemom wrote:

How did this turn into a debate on responsibility? Taking action to prevent an unwanted consequence IS responsible! Why does it matter if that action is taken before or after sex? What's it to you if some women use this as their only method of birth control?

Come on, hippiemom, didn't you know that the #1 fringe benefit of living by a strict moral code is that you get to criticize people who don't believe exactly what you believe?

hippiemom

MCG wrote:

I agree with the argument that this is a good thing for women who became pregnant from rape, I've used it myself once or twice on different topics. However, it seems to me that the ratio of the number rape victims using Plan B compared to the number of women who just didn't use birth control in a consentual sexual situation using Plan B will be quite small.

Does anyone know the percentage of accidental pregnancies that are attributed to rape?

Does anyone know what difference it makes?

WHY does it matter what reason a woman has for using this?

humanlight

surferdude wrote:

How does this coincide with taking men for child support? Take charge of your sexuality but hold men fiscally responsible for your choices.

Ummmm..."your choices" Honey it takes two at least, and one of them biologically needs to be a male....so should it not be your responsibilty too?

humanlight

hippiemom wrote:

Does anyone know what difference it makes?

WHY does it matter what reason a woman has for using this?

I think you are asking the perfect questions, and I am anxiously waiting on a reply from those who feel unconfortable about this pill.

blackredyellow

humanlight wrote:

Here is another scenerio where Plan B is a good thing:

A commited couple is have sex and using condoms at thier form of protection. the condom breaks! they were being responsible, but something happened. does that constitue a doctor's visit. Like someone else said on here. the pill is called Plan B, meaing (oh crap...something happened that we did not expect).

EXACTLY... my fiance and I had this situation happen, and it was on a friday night. We couldn't wait until Monday since the pill would be pretty much worthless, so our choices were A) going to the ER and getting a prescription (and paying out of the ass) or take a chances and hope for the best.

Not that a pregnancy would be the end of the world because we are getting married, but the timing wasn't exactly the best for a pregnancy.

I find it funny that people would think women won't be responsible enough to use birth control, but would be responsible enough to use Plan B after sex every time as a form of BC. If you are that irresponsible to rely on Plan B as your only means of birth control, chances are you wouldn't be responsible enought to take it either.

MCG

hippiemom wrote:

Does anyone know what difference it makes?

WHY does it matter what main reason a woman has for using this?

Well, it seems to be the reason some are advocating the use of the pill. I'm just asking questions so I can make a decision whether or not this is really a valid point. If say 1 of 100 or 1 of 1000 were using it for that reason then that shouldn't be the major selling point of an arguement for Plan B. Majority is one thing but a vast minority is another.

I'm not saying it matters why they are using it, just trying to see if this point holds water.