Did she answer the questions? Simple answer is, no. She kept blaming the media and the moderator. It's as if the questions did not fit into her debate prep. She managed to get through the 90 minutes but what exactly did she accomplish? She did not distinguish herself or McCain from Bush. Palin just could not do it. The woman shied away every time the opportunity presented itself.
Fact of the matter is McCain pulled his staff out of Michigan. What state is next? Barack is leading in Florida, VA, and PA etc.
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a tv special where suddenly the hockey mom is charge of a button that could possibly destroy all life on earth. I"M scared.
It's fucking terrifying.... !!!!
John McCain is 72 years old and being the President is not exactly the most stresless job you can apply for what if he has a stroke or something...?? Is she going to be making the decisions? Or even worse is she going to be so clueless that we will have a whole bunch of republicans running the circus from behind the curtains????
That's enough to give me nightmares!!!!
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Did she answer the questions? Simple answer is, no. She kept blaming the media and the moderator. It's as if the questions did not fit into her debate prep. She managed to get through the 90 minutes but what exactly did she accomplish? She did not distinguish herself or McCain from Bush. Palin just could not do it. The woman shied away every time the opportunity presented itself.
Fact of the matter is McCain pulled his staff out of Michigan. What state is next? Barack is leading in Florida, VA, and PA etc.
She stuck to her rehearsed speeches and the minute they steered away from what she had memorized she panicked and dragged up back to energy and taxes and her great deeds in Alaska
And she wont do any more interviews with the media? What is she afraid of?
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In my opinion, Palin did not do a particularly good job of answering the questions being asked. However, she was much more adept at just spitting back what she was supposed to. It was a little annoying that after every response she didn't flub in the first twenty minutes a smirk popped up on her face like she was impressed with herself. Smug comes to mind. Overall, I did watch this debate to see her fuck it up...and she really didn't.
However, Biden really impressed me. I was not expecting to like him very much, but there was no denying that he was incredibly well-spoken. He wasn't condescending to Sarah Palin as many feared he would. Most importantly, he answered questions frankly and decisively. No stammering, no hesitation. He knew exactly he wanted to say in every instance. I didn't always agree with his answers, but he seemed very confident in them. His statements felt natural whereas Palin's felt forced or recited.
That said, I still don't like either ticket all that much.
Was a bit disappointed Gwen Iffel didn't go back at either candidate when they evaded a question ... but, wonder if she was afraid to go back at Palin the several times she totally didn't answer the questions asked based on the pre-debate book "controversy"
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Biden 54 to 46% on the Atlanta Journal Constitution poll...frankly, I'm stunned that Palin got 46%...WTF were they watching??? Oh well, this is Georgia after all...
Whew, it's gone to 69% Biden to 31% Palin. I feel better. Think I can go to bed now.
PALIN: Said of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama: "94 times he voted to increase taxes or not support a tax reduction."
THE FACTS: The dubious count includes repetitive votes as well as votes to cut taxes for the middle class while raising them on the rich. An analysis by factcheck.org found that 23 of the votes were for measures that would have produced no tax increase at all, seven were in favor of measures that would have lowered taxes for many, 11 would have increased taxes on only those making more than $1 million a year.
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BIDEN: Complained about "economic policies of the last eight years" that led to "excessive deregulation."
THE FACTS: Biden voted for 1999 deregulation that liberal groups are blaming for part of the financial crisis today. The law allowed Wall Street investment banks to create the kind of mortgage-related securities at the core of the problem now. The law was widely backed by Republicans as well as by Democratic President Clinton, who argues it has stopped the crisis today from being worse.
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PALIN: "Two years ago, remember, it was John McCain who pushed so hard with the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac reform measures. He sounded that warning bell."
THE FACTS: Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska led an effort in 2005 to tighten regulation on the mortgage underwriters — McCain joined as a co-sponsor a year later. The legislation was never taken up by the full Senate, then under Republican control.
___
BIDEN: Warned that Republican presidential candidate John McCain's $5,000 tax credit to help families buy health coverage "will go straight to the insurance company."
THE FACTS: Of course it would, because it's meant to pay for insurance. That's like saying money for a car loan will go straight to the car dealer.
___
PALIN: Claimed she has taken on the oil industry as Alaska governor.
THE FACTS: Palin pushed to impose a windfall profits tax on oil companies and distributed the proceeds to the state's citizens to offset rising energy costs. However, she has also sided with the industry on a number of issues. She sued the Interior Department over its designation of polar bears as an endangered species. That puts her on the same side as the American Petroleum Institute, the oil industry's chief trade association. She also supports the industry's desire to drill in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge — a position at odds with McCain.
___
BIDEN: Said McCain supports tax breaks for oil companies, and "wants to give them another $4 billion tax cut."
THE FACTS: Biden is repeating a favorite saw of the Obama campaign, and it's misleading. McCain supports a cut in income taxes for all corporations, and doesn't single out any one industry for that benefit.
___
PALIN: Said the United States has reduced its troop level in Iraq to a number below where it was when the troop increase began in early 2007.
THE FACTS: Not correct. The Pentagon says there are currently 152,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, about 17,000 more than there were before the 2007 military buildup began.
___
BIDEN: "As a matter of fact, John recently wrote an article in a major magazine saying that he wants to do for the health care industry — deregulate it and let the free market move — like he did for the banking industry."
THE FACTS: Biden and Obama have been perpetuating this distortion of what McCain wrote in an article for the American Academy of Actuaries. McCain, laying out his health plan, only referred to deregulation when saying people should be allowed to buy health insurance across state lines. In that context, he wrote: "Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition, as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation."
___
PALIN: Said Alaska is "building a nearly $40 billion natural gas pipeline, which is North America's largest and most expensive infrastructure project ever to flow those sources of energy into hungry markets."
THE FACTS: Not quite. Construction is at least six years away. So far the state has only awarded a license to Trans Canada Corp., that comes with $500 million in seed money in exchange for commitments toward a lengthy and costly process to getting a federal certificate. At an August news conference after the state Legislature approved the license, Palin said, "It's not a done deal."
___
PALIN: "Barack Obama even supported increasing taxes as late as last year for those families making only $42,000 a year."
BIDEN: "The charge is absolutely not true. Barack Obama did not vote to raise taxes. The vote she's referring to, John McCain voted the exact same way."
THE FACTS: The vote was on a nonbinding budget resolution that assumed that President Bush's tax cuts would expire, as scheduled, in 2011. If that actually happened, it could mean higher taxes for people making as little as about $42,000. But Obama is proposing tax increases only on the wealthy, and would cut taxes for most others. In the March 14 budget resolution supported by Obama and Biden, McCain actually did not vote.
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Do you think you have a responsibility as president to help stop the genocide in Darfur.
Do you think we should continue funding nationalist regimes like turkey and Colombia, 2 of the worlds worst human rights abusers. Do we have a responsibilty to the 13 million people that die every year from easiliy curable diseases or starvation? Do we have a right promote democracy?
You know what? All this dialogue is great and all...but the simple fact is..it's looking bleak for the republicans and Palin didn't do enough to give them another bump IMO.
She is a one trick pony! Goodbye GOP!
edit: Oh and by the way...answer the damn question Palin!
sheesh!
"Had my eyes peeled both wide open, and I got a glimpse...of my innocense, got back my inner sence, baby got it...still got it"
hey Commy you live up to your name...i guess it fits since your an Obama supporter
Obama is an коммунистический диктатор
Palin took this debate hands down
hell with all you Obama sheep
ok now call me a "kool aid" drinking Republican or whatever other Democratic cliff notes you have
that post was done to purely entice commy into an altercation. troll. hang around sunshine and you will see he is way bigger than that. you might learn a thing or two about manners and how to debate without name calling and assuming things about people you don't know.
that post was done to purely entice commy into an altercation. troll. hang around sunshine and you will see he is way bigger than that. you might learn a thing or two about manners and how to debate without name calling and assuming things about people you don't know.
how important are the vp debates when it comes to election time?
I'd say this one is probably the most important in history. The economy is still going to be the nail in the coffin for McCain, not Palin, but Palin ain't helping except with the 20 something percent that still love George W
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I'd say this one is probably the most important in history. The economy is still going to be the nail in the coffin for McCain, not Palin, but Palin ain't helping except with the 20 something percent that still love George W
ok so like if your vp candidate just bombed, would you change your vote? Like I could care less how biden did, its a tv peronality-off. Whoever presents a better persona seems to win and the issues seem pretty far down on the list...at least that's the interpretation I see. Like, is it that important for your vp candidate to do well?
Next time you at a doctor, dentist, ect ask them what the Dems healthcare plan will do to the care you recieve. Not to say Mc's is something to write home about.
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Suppose Rudy's been promised a job in a McCain administration?
Called Palin's performance one of the best debate performances he's ever seen on Today this morning.
Yes, she didn't crash and burn. But have our standards fallen so far after eight years of Bush that not falling on your face equates to one of the best performances of all time?
Suppose Rudy's been promised a job in a McCain administration?
Called Palin's performance one of the best debate performances he's ever seen on Today this morning.
Yes, she didn't crash and burn. But have our standards fallen so far after eight years of Bush that not falling on your face equates to one of the best performances of all time?
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She cannot, and she still didnt realize her error after Gwen and Joe Biden said nuclear the correct way like 20 times...
Fact of the matter is McCain pulled his staff out of Michigan. What state is next? Barack is leading in Florida, VA, and PA etc.
It's fucking terrifying.... !!!!
John McCain is 72 years old and being the President is not exactly the most stresless job you can apply for what if he has a stroke or something...?? Is she going to be making the decisions? Or even worse is she going to be so clueless that we will have a whole bunch of republicans running the circus from behind the curtains????
That's enough to give me nightmares!!!!
She stuck to her rehearsed speeches and the minute they steered away from what she had memorized she panicked and dragged up back to energy and taxes and her great deeds in Alaska
And she wont do any more interviews with the media? What is she afraid of?
Hey, we've got a guy that people would like to have a beer with. Look how well that's turned out.
However, Biden really impressed me. I was not expecting to like him very much, but there was no denying that he was incredibly well-spoken. He wasn't condescending to Sarah Palin as many feared he would. Most importantly, he answered questions frankly and decisively. No stammering, no hesitation. He knew exactly he wanted to say in every instance. I didn't always agree with his answers, but he seemed very confident in them. His statements felt natural whereas Palin's felt forced or recited.
That said, I still don't like either ticket all that much.
I thought anyone was better than Bush ... right?
for the least they could possibly do
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Whew, it's gone to 69% Biden to 31% Palin. I feel better. Think I can go to bed now.
That is one thing I agree with you on.
seriously
PALIN: Said of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama: "94 times he voted to increase taxes or not support a tax reduction."
THE FACTS: The dubious count includes repetitive votes as well as votes to cut taxes for the middle class while raising them on the rich. An analysis by factcheck.org found that 23 of the votes were for measures that would have produced no tax increase at all, seven were in favor of measures that would have lowered taxes for many, 11 would have increased taxes on only those making more than $1 million a year.
___
BIDEN: Complained about "economic policies of the last eight years" that led to "excessive deregulation."
THE FACTS: Biden voted for 1999 deregulation that liberal groups are blaming for part of the financial crisis today. The law allowed Wall Street investment banks to create the kind of mortgage-related securities at the core of the problem now. The law was widely backed by Republicans as well as by Democratic President Clinton, who argues it has stopped the crisis today from being worse.
___
PALIN: "Two years ago, remember, it was John McCain who pushed so hard with the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac reform measures. He sounded that warning bell."
THE FACTS: Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska led an effort in 2005 to tighten regulation on the mortgage underwriters — McCain joined as a co-sponsor a year later. The legislation was never taken up by the full Senate, then under Republican control.
___
BIDEN: Warned that Republican presidential candidate John McCain's $5,000 tax credit to help families buy health coverage "will go straight to the insurance company."
THE FACTS: Of course it would, because it's meant to pay for insurance. That's like saying money for a car loan will go straight to the car dealer.
___
PALIN: Claimed she has taken on the oil industry as Alaska governor.
THE FACTS: Palin pushed to impose a windfall profits tax on oil companies and distributed the proceeds to the state's citizens to offset rising energy costs. However, she has also sided with the industry on a number of issues. She sued the Interior Department over its designation of polar bears as an endangered species. That puts her on the same side as the American Petroleum Institute, the oil industry's chief trade association. She also supports the industry's desire to drill in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge — a position at odds with McCain.
___
BIDEN: Said McCain supports tax breaks for oil companies, and "wants to give them another $4 billion tax cut."
THE FACTS: Biden is repeating a favorite saw of the Obama campaign, and it's misleading. McCain supports a cut in income taxes for all corporations, and doesn't single out any one industry for that benefit.
___
PALIN: Said the United States has reduced its troop level in Iraq to a number below where it was when the troop increase began in early 2007.
THE FACTS: Not correct. The Pentagon says there are currently 152,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, about 17,000 more than there were before the 2007 military buildup began.
___
BIDEN: "As a matter of fact, John recently wrote an article in a major magazine saying that he wants to do for the health care industry — deregulate it and let the free market move — like he did for the banking industry."
THE FACTS: Biden and Obama have been perpetuating this distortion of what McCain wrote in an article for the American Academy of Actuaries. McCain, laying out his health plan, only referred to deregulation when saying people should be allowed to buy health insurance across state lines. In that context, he wrote: "Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition, as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation."
___
PALIN: Said Alaska is "building a nearly $40 billion natural gas pipeline, which is North America's largest and most expensive infrastructure project ever to flow those sources of energy into hungry markets."
THE FACTS: Not quite. Construction is at least six years away. So far the state has only awarded a license to Trans Canada Corp., that comes with $500 million in seed money in exchange for commitments toward a lengthy and costly process to getting a federal certificate. At an August news conference after the state Legislature approved the license, Palin said, "It's not a done deal."
___
PALIN: "Barack Obama even supported increasing taxes as late as last year for those families making only $42,000 a year."
BIDEN: "The charge is absolutely not true. Barack Obama did not vote to raise taxes. The vote she's referring to, John McCain voted the exact same way."
THE FACTS: The vote was on a nonbinding budget resolution that assumed that President Bush's tax cuts would expire, as scheduled, in 2011. If that actually happened, it could mean higher taxes for people making as little as about $42,000. But Obama is proposing tax increases only on the wealthy, and would cut taxes for most others. In the March 14 budget resolution supported by Obama and Biden, McCain actually did not vote.
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13 Wrigley Field
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He is an idiot!
She looked pretty bad if you asked me
I thought she was fine. I'm sure she scored points with some people across the country. Who knows?
for the least they could possibly do
seems like that number is very close to the number of bush's approval rating.....funny how that is
Do you think you have a responsibility as president to help stop the genocide in Darfur.
Do you think we should continue funding nationalist regimes like turkey and Colombia, 2 of the worlds worst human rights abusers. Do we have a responsibilty to the 13 million people that die every year from easiliy curable diseases or starvation? Do we have a right promote democracy?
She is a one trick pony! Goodbye GOP!
edit: Oh and by the way...answer the damn question Palin!
sheesh!
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I'd say this one is probably the most important in history. The economy is still going to be the nail in the coffin for McCain, not Palin, but Palin ain't helping except with the 20 something percent that still love George W
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKywQoim8Rs This segment alone made Biden the winner of the debate.
refunds of $2,500 for individuals and $5,000 for the family....seriously, what good does that refund do, really? then we have to buy our own...:rolleyes:
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Next time you at a doctor, dentist, ect ask them what the Dems healthcare plan will do to the care you recieve. Not to say Mc's is something to write home about.
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Called Palin's performance one of the best debate performances he's ever seen on Today this morning.
Yes, she didn't crash and burn. But have our standards fallen so far after eight years of Bush that not falling on your face equates to one of the best performances of all time?
Does Giuliani have any credibility anyway?
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