Obama's speech tonight 2/19 in Texas

FinsburyParkCarrots

DOSW wrote:

Even if Obama wins the primary, it's going to be a tougher general election than you think. Fear is a powerful weapon, and McCain isn't afraid to use it. :(

That wonky face of his is scary enough to drive voters away. It's not even a sympathy vote face.

blackredyellow

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i am telling you that mccain is going to lose. he can not even get the conservatives' base to support him, nor the religious right and without that support he is sunk. people like rush and hannity have alot of pull and they are not supporting him, actually they are bashing him. i have some friends that are true conservatives and they are voting for obama over mccain because mccain is not conservative enough and they would rather take their chances with obama than vote for hillary.

That's what I think too... The Rove machine was so good at getting the religious right out to vote, and I don't see it happening this time around.

cornnifer

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i agree with you. but should obama take the high ground or get nasty as well?? i saw a person high up in the mccain campaign either resigned or will resign if obama gets the nomination because "he does not want to be a part of trashing someone he has alot of respect for." i need to try to find that link. it was on msnbc.com on thursday or friday last week.

i think there was a thread with a link to this story here in this forum. i'm not going to find it for you though

ledvedderman

What a night indeed last night.

I don't understand the Washington primary last night though? Didn't they caucus on Super Tuesday?

my2hands

DOSW wrote:

Fear is a powerful weapon, and McCain isn't afraid to use it. :(

hope is a more powerful weapon...


hope will defeat fear every time...

cornnifer

ledvedderman wrote:

What a night indeed last night.

I don't understand the Washington primary last night though? Didn't they caucus on Super Tuesday?

Beauty contest. From what i understand, they've done it this way in Washington for awhile. The delegates always come strictly from the caucus. Weird.

ledvedderman

From NBC's Abby Livingston
Oh snap! Who needs a Rottweiler when you’ve got surrogates?

Tom Buffenbarger president of the machinists' union (International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers) was the the latest in a string of Clinton junkyard dogs unleashed upon Obama. Prior to Hillary Clinton’s speech last night in Youngstown, Ohio, Buffenbarger delivered nothing short of an Obama diatribe.

While campaign introductions typically sing the praises of the upcoming candidate, Buffenbarger's speech barely mentioned Clinton until the conclusion. It was all about Obama, and it was laced with venom and ad hominems.

Buffenbarger called Obama a “thespian,” and he sarcastically referred to the junior senator from Illinois as a “wunderkind.” He compared Obama to “Janus, the two-faced Roman god of ancient times.” And he pleaded with the crowd to boo Obama’s labor record.

Early in his speech, Buffenbarger asked, “So now we have a decision to make. Will we rely on the Harvard Law Review editor? The silver-tongued orator from Kansas, Hawaii and Illinois? The man in love with the microphone?”

Taking off the gloves, he said, “Barack Obama is no Muhammad Ali. He took a walk every time there was a tough vote in the Illinois State Senate. He took a walk more than a 130 times. That's what a shadow boxer does. All the right moves. All the right combinations. All the right footwork. But he never steps into the ring.”

But it was Obama supporters for whom Buffenbarger saved his most vitriolic contempt, and he proved that the Democratic Party’s coalition is nothing if not fragile. Channeling Howard Beale from the movie "Network," he yelled into the microphone, “Give me a break! I've got news for all the latte-drinking, Prius- driving, Birkenstock-wearing, trust fund babies crowding in to hear him speak! This guy won't last a round against the Republican attack machine. He's a poet, not a fighter.”

With all this trash talk, who needs a Thrilla in Manilla?

jeffbr

ledvedderman wrote:

What a night indeed last night.

I don't understand the Washington primary last night though? Didn't they caucus on Super Tuesday?

The parties here have always traditionally chosen their nominees through the caucus system. The state decided to come in and mandate a primary system. The parties sued, there was a compromise that both would happen and the parties decided how to use both. The republicans use the caucus for 1/2 their delegates and the primary results for the other 1/2. The democrats chose to use their caucus results to select all of their delegates and ignore the results of the primary. The democratic primary results can still create an interesting datapoint, and help or hurt momentum in terms of popular vote, but don't actually matter in terms of delegate count.

MasterFramer

ledvedderman wrote:

From NBC's Abby Livingston
Oh snap! Who needs a Rottweiler when you’ve got surrogates?

Tom Buffenbarger president of the machinists' union (International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers) was the the latest in a string of Clinton junkyard dogs unleashed upon Obama. Prior to Hillary Clinton’s speech last night in Youngstown, Ohio, Buffenbarger delivered nothing short of an Obama diatribe.

While campaign introductions typically sing the praises of the upcoming candidate, Buffenbarger's speech barely mentioned Clinton until the conclusion. It was all about Obama, and it was laced with venom and ad hominems.

Buffenbarger called Obama a “thespian,” and he sarcastically referred to the junior senator from Illinois as a “wunderkind.” He compared Obama to “Janus, the two-faced Roman god of ancient times.” And he pleaded with the crowd to boo Obama’s labor record.

Early in his speech, Buffenbarger asked, “So now we have a decision to make. Will we rely on the Harvard Law Review editor? The silver-tongued orator from Kansas, Hawaii and Illinois? The man in love with the microphone?”

Taking off the gloves, he said, “Barack Obama is no Muhammad Ali. He took a walk every time there was a tough vote in the Illinois State Senate. He took a walk more than a 130 times. That's what a shadow boxer does. All the right moves. All the right combinations. All the right footwork. But he never steps into the ring.”

But it was Obama supporters for whom Buffenbarger saved his most vitriolic contempt, and he proved that the Democratic Party’s coalition is nothing if not fragile. Channeling Howard Beale from the movie "Network," he yelled into the microphone, “Give me a break! I've got news for all the latte-drinking, Prius- driving, Birkenstock-wearing, trust fund babies crowding in to hear him speak! This guy won't last a round against the Republican attack machine. He's a poet, not a fighter.”

With all this trash talk, who needs a Thrilla in Manilla?

Fuck the Clintons... they like the Bushes are bad for our country...

ledvedderman

MasterFramer wrote:

Fuck the Clintons... they like the Bushes are bad for our country...

I was born in 1982. I am REALLY hoping that for the first time since I was -2, that either a Clinton or a Bush hasn't been at the top of a Presidential ticket.

blackredyellow

ledvedderman wrote:

I was born in 1982. I am REALLY hoping that for the first time since I was -2, that either a Clinton or a Bush hasn't been at the top of a Presidential ticket.

I was born in 1974... for 28 years of my life there has either been a Bush or a Clinton in the White House as President or VP.

Dirty Mosquito

Just heard on CNN that the Teamster's Union is endorsing Obama! That's huge!

ledvedderman

Dirty Mosquito wrote:

Just heard on CNN that the Teamster's Unions is endorsing Obama! That's huge!

Oh yeah. Gotta love the Teamsters. I think everyone is going to start piling on now, because it is clear that he is where this election is going, and we can't give John McCain a 6+ month head start.

evenflow82

my2hands wrote:

it was great stuff...



i have never seen a politician like this in my generation...


dont drop the ball america

Tell that to OH. They seemingly vote for the wrong candidate every fuckin election.

DOSW

If Obama wins Texas, I think it's over for Hilary. The outcome of Ohio won't even matter. But I'll still be voting for Obama in PA's primary in April. My first vote ever.

redmosquito10

evenflow82 wrote:

Tell that to OH. They seemingly vote for the wrong candidate every fuckin election.

Not my fault. Someone needs to talk to all the idiots living in the 18th century that is ohio other than cleveland, columbus, and cincinatti

slightofjeff

mca47 wrote:

I also think Obama will win and also have some conservative friends that like Obama over McCain too. I just think McCain and the repubs will get REALLY nasty!

No offense, but if your friends really are conservatives and they like Obama, then they are either idiots or have no idea what Obama stands for.

There is no good reason for a conservative to vote for Obama. I'm not saying that as a dig at him -- some might see it as a badge of honor -- but it's the truth.

slightofjeff

ledvedderman wrote:

I was born in 1982. I am REALLY hoping that for the first time since I was -2, that either a Clinton or a Bush hasn't been at the top of a Presidential ticket.

This is kind of dumb, too. If they are the best candidate, then who gives a shit what their last name is?

The only reason your theory works this time around is that Hillary isn't the best candidate. But if Obama's father, let's call him "Jim," had been president before, that wouldn't make Barry a worse candidate, would it?

mca47

slightofjeff wrote:

No offense, but if your friends really are conservatives and they like Obama, then they are either idiots or have no idea what Obama stands for.

There is no good reason for a conservative to vote for Obama. I'm not saying that as a dig at him -- some might see it as a badge of honor -- but it's the truth.

They may not be the definition of "conservative" most far right leaning types label, but they are definitely very much right of center. The majority of them just truly do not like McCain. A couple have become so disenfranchised with the republican party they actually like the idea of something, someone different.
This is happening all over the country. People either a) hate McCain b) have grown tired of the same BS coming from the Republicans or c) Really see something in Obama that is a breath of fresh air.

That has to really piss off Republicans to see those on the right cross sides to a guy that isn't the definition of who they would have voted for 8 years ago.

jeffbr

mca47 wrote:

That has to really piss off Republicans to see those on the right cross sides to a guy that isn't the definition of who they would have voted for 8 years ago.

I think this is going to be the rare case. The more probable case, and the way Obama is going to win, is that conservatives just stay home. They aren't motivated by McCain, and any principled conservative would never vote for Obama. So they'll sit it out. Hillary will lose against McCain because those same conservatives who will sit out the Obama race, will show and and vote for McCain as a vote against Hillary.