Bush calls for a Palestinian state

puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
edited January 2007 in A Moving Train
Excerpt from the State of the Union address, 2007.

...we're pursuing diplomacy to help bring peace to the Holy Land, and pursuing the establishment of a democratic Palestinian state living side-by-side with Israel in peace and security. (Applause.)
SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
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  • B niceB nice Posts: 182
    israel will just wipe Palestine off the map again
    life has nothing to do with killing time
    Bring it on cause I'm no victim

    b nice loves pearl jam like ed vedder loves america
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    puremagic wrote:
    Excerpt from the State of the Union address, 2007.

    ...we're pursuing diplomacy to help bring peace to the Holy Land, and pursuing the establishment of a democratic Palestinian state living side-by-side with Israel in peace and security. (Applause.)

    hahahahahahahahahaha
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    oh he's serious

    Yeah that's gonna happen
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    any chance israel will? ... any chance the palestinians will?

    anyhoo - i apologize if i don't get too excited from any words bush speaks - anything good he's ever talked about (money for hydrogen research) he's always renegged on ... his road map asks palestinians to accept temporary borders ... temporary borders that are not adequate and that will never change ...

    in all honesty - i am willing to bet that if moderates (who i believe represent the majority) on both sides of the conflict were to sit down and negotiate ... we can have the two states divided within 30 days ...
  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    You know, right before he attacked afghanistan he said the same thing, then again before the iraq war I believe the same words came from his mouth. Infact I remember the exact headline "visions of a palestinan state"

    So based on that, I think he's getting ready to bomb iran.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    I tried to go clean from protesting but I'm a recidivist
    my government behaving with unlimited wickedness
    in the interest of peace is how a liar wages war
    then clamors for more.
    I wish we had elections every day
    wave the ballot in the air like a sign when I say
    that democracy delivered by the bomb and the gun
    is terror elsewhere on the world I'm from

    do you cheer for the once-and-for-all of an enemy
    whose hand our man don was on in '83
    but who now exemplifies all evil
    that's what you get for shaking hands with people
    who represent the vast and sinister interests of industry
    we protect the free trade world, so don't dare try to stop us
    we deliver them bullets and sell them their coffins

    and I wish that I could afford the ear of Bush the second
    I'd ask is it your favorite philosopher who recommended
    invading and exterminating all who defy us,
    crying out justice but seeking out triumphs?
    wasn't your christ unbeloved of empires?
    one nailed his ass to a post; he expired!
    a terrorist, as roman evidence showed
    put down like a retard on the death row
    in texas, I guess "tough luck," right George?
    ain't that how every war gets scored?
    big gun wins, winner gets a free turn
    enemy after enemy burns
    are you listening sir? or did your mind drift
    to the next country in your axis
    to all the cool bombs drops you get to call
    delivery fresh from the 4th reich to y'all

    http://frontalot.com/media.php/76/mc_frontalot_-_special_delivery.mp3
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • B nice wrote:
    israel will just wipe Palestine off the map again
    There never was a Palestinian state. Show me a map that shows a nation state called Palestine and the discuss. Last time I checked they blew their chance of a state in 48, 67, 73, and in the 80's. Why don't we give them Canada. Then Ahnimus will have lots of new friends.
  • B niceB nice Posts: 182
    life has nothing to do with killing time
    Bring it on cause I'm no victim

    b nice loves pearl jam like ed vedder loves america
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    There never was a Palestinian state. Show me a map that shows a nation state called Palestine and the discuss. Last time I checked they blew their chance of a state in 48, 67, 73, and in the 80's. Why don't we give them Canada. Then Ahnimus will have lots of new friends.

    I'm down with that, as I've said before. They can have Quebec, makes no difference to me. Shit, I'll even let a few sleep on my couch. I'm not a racist pig like you. Palestine did exist prior to the Balfour declaration and after the '48 resolution. It still exists today, if you look at a map, any map, the west bank and gaza strip are marked Palestine.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    I'm down with that, as I've said before. They can have Quebec, makes no difference to me. Shit, I'll even let a few sleep on my couch. I'm not a racist pig like you. Palestine did exist prior to the Balfour declaration and after the '48 resolution. It still exists today, if you look at a map, any map, the west bank and gaza strip are marked Palestine.

    Racist. That's funny. Im done debating Bozo the Clown. You lose Canuck fuck
  • Bush's ne-con administartion will never genuinely push for a viable two state solution. He answers to too powerful a group of lobbysist whose literal (and therefor insane - or intellectually infantile - take your pick) interpratation of biblical prophecy views Islreali occupancy of 'The Holy land' as a prerequisite for the second coming of Jesus.

    This is the level of archane superstition and intellectual failure that affects the lives of every one on this planet by exerting such an influence over the most powerful governent the world has ever known.

    It's the same mindet, blunted and eroded by unquestioning religious belief that led Reagan's environmental advisor to dismiss fears over global warming because his child mind believed the apocalyptic scenario as laid down in the Book of Revelations is imminent.

    If the Israeli/Palestinian crisis erupted and expanded to an all out Nuclear Armageddon these guys would presumably believe its a great thing because it means Jesus' return will shortly follow.

    Mad b*stards.

    What was it that Jefferson said about the church and state? It seems to gotten lost over the years.
  • B niceB nice Posts: 182
    Bush's ne-con administartion will never genuinely push for a viable two state solution. He answers to too powerful a group of lobbysist whose literal (and therefor insane - or intellectually infantile - take your pick) interpratation of biblical prophecy views Islreali occupancy of 'The Holy land' as a prerequisite for the second coming of Jesus.

    This is the level of archane superstition and intellectual failure that affects the lives of every one on this planet by exerting such an influence over the most powerful governent the world has ever known.

    It's the same mindet, blunted and eroded by unquestioning religious belief that led Reagan's environmental advisor to dismiss fears over global warming because his child mind believed the apocalyptic scenario as laid down in the Book of Revelations is imminent.

    If the Israeli/Palestinian crisis erupted and expanded to an all out Nuclear Armageddon these guys would presumably believe its a great thing because it means Jesus' return will shortly follow.

    Mad b*stards.

    What was it that Jefferson said about the church and state? It seems to gotten lost over the years.


    It not just the christians

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Jesus_praying_behind_Mahdi

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_Jesus



    schools that teach the destruction of israel are called "sunday schools" here in the u of the s of the a
    life has nothing to do with killing time
    Bring it on cause I'm no victim

    b nice loves pearl jam like ed vedder loves america
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    I'm down with that, as I've said before. They can have Quebec, makes no difference to me. Shit, I'll even let a few sleep on my couch. I'm not a racist pig like you. Palestine did exist prior to the Balfour declaration and after the '48 resolution. It still exists today, if you look at a map, any map, the west bank and gaza strip are marked Palestine.

    ahh i miss this place and comments like this...
    "L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
    -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Depends what he means by state.
    The bottom line is, it will be a state acceptable to Israel. Therefore we can expect more of the same.
    They'll offer the Palestinians a few scattered, and separated parcels of land. They will have no sovereignty over air or sea space, and all roads connecting these Apartheid style bantustans - or reservations - will be manned by Israeli soldiers.
    The Palestinians will also be told to renounce violence, whilst their land continues to be stolen, their homes demolished, and their citizens subjected to intermittent military incursions, and random assassinations and atrocities.
    When the Palestinians reject this offer they will be accused of jeopardising the 'road map to peace'.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,165
    speaking of the state of the union address did any one notice how he did not again he did not mention NEW ORLEANS at all how fucked up is that ,and last night CNN had the vice president on an interview he did with WOLF BLITZER man this vice president is really scary, he would not budge on the fact that this administration screwd this whole WAR up as a matter of fact he said they had made great strides sorry for not having the link to his interview the sooner this guy is out of the white house the better this country will be ...... :(
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Byrnzie wrote:
    Depends what he means by state.
    The bottom line is, it will be a state acceptable to Israel. Therefore we can expect more of the same.
    They'll offer the Palestinians a few scattered, and separated parcels of land. They will have no sovereignty over air or sea space, and all roads connecting these Apartheid style bantustans - or reservations - will be manned by Israeli soldiers.
    The Palestinians will also be told to renounce violence, whilst their land continues to be stolen, their homes demolished, and their citizens subjected to intermittent military incursions, and random assassinations and atrocities.
    When the Palestinians reject this offer they will be accused of jeopardising the 'road map to peace'.

    I don't see the problem, Ahnimus offered them Quebec. Done. Buy them parkas and send them on their way.
  • Byrnzie wrote:
    Depends what he means by state.
    The bottom line is, it will be a state acceptable to Israel. Therefore we can expect more of the same.
    They'll offer the Palestinians a few scattered, and separated parcels of land. They will have no sovereignty over air or sea space, and all roads connecting these Apartheid style bantustans - or reservations - will be manned by Israeli soldiers.
    The Palestinians will also be told to renounce violence, whilst their land continues to be stolen, their homes demolished, and their citizens subjected to intermittent military incursions, and random assassinations and atrocities.
    When the Palestinians reject this offer they will be accused of jeopardising the 'road map to peace'.

    Perhaps when they stop sending their children onto civillian busses strapped with explosives to kill and mame innocent civillians the walls and guard posts can come down. But we all know that won't happen so to compare Israel to South Africa is outrageous. I don't recall African children blowing up in Johanesburg on a regular basis.
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Perhaps when they stop sending their children onto civillian busses strapped with explosives to kill and mame innocent civillians the walls and guard posts can come down. But we all know that won't happen so to compare Israel to South Africa is outrageous. I don't recall African children blowing up in Johanesburg on a regular basis.


    actually according to amnesty international something like 5 palestinian children are killed for every 1 israeli child killed...and a lot of palestinian children live w/ severe malnutrition according to other human rights groups.

    oh, and
    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=211301
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • B niceB nice Posts: 182
    Perhaps when they stop sending their children onto civillian busses strapped with explosives to kill and mame innocent civillians the walls and guard posts can come down. But we all know that won't happen so to compare Israel to South Africa is outrageous. I don't recall African children blowing up in Johanesburg on a regular basis.


    israel has always had a fondness for south africa
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_Incident

    nuclear weapons and diamonds........ please break a stereotype
    life has nothing to do with killing time
    Bring it on cause I'm no victim

    b nice loves pearl jam like ed vedder loves america
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Perhaps when they stop sending their children onto civillian busses strapped with explosives to kill and mame innocent civillians the walls and guard posts can come down. But we all know that won't happen so to compare Israel to South Africa is outrageous. I don't recall African children blowing up in Johanesburg on a regular basis.

    Perhaps when Israel ends the illegal 35 year old military occupation of Palestinian land then the people who are being subjected to terror on a daily basis by a brutal and sophisticated army will stop feeling that their only means of fighting back is to kill themselves and others in the process.
    But then, this is obviously just a one-sided, black and white issue for you, courtesy of Fox news, or the daily Telegraph - depending on where you live.
    You don't recall African children blowing up Johanesburg on a regular basis? Do you know anything about the ANC's armed uprising against the apartheid regime? Or are you just spouting hot air?
    In your opinion was Nelson Mandela a terrorist or a freedom fighter?
  • Byrnzie wrote:
    Perhaps when Israel ends the illegal 35 year old military occupation of Palestinian land then the people who are being subjected to terror on a daily basis by a brutal and sophisticated army will stop feeling that their only means of fighting back is to kill themselves and others in the process.
    But then, this is obviously just a one-sided, black and white issue for you, courtesy of Fox news, or the daily Telegraph - depending on where you live.
    You don't recall African children blowing up Johanesburg on a regular basis? Do you know anything about the ANC's armed uprising against the apartheid regime? Or are you just spouting hot air?
    In your opinion was Nelson Mandela a terrorist or a freedom fighter?

    i feel what you're saying...
    I'll dig a tunnel
    from my window to yours
  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Perhaps when Israel ends the illegal 35 year old military occupation of Palestinian land then the people who are being subjected to terror on a daily basis by a brutal and sophisticated army will stop feeling that their only means of fighting back is to kill themselves and others in the process.
    But then, this is obviously just a one-sided, black and white issue for you, courtesy of Fox news, or the daily Telegraph - depending on where you live.
    You don't recall African children blowing up Johanesburg on a regular basis? Do you know anything about the ANC's armed uprising against the apartheid regime? Or are you just spouting hot air?
    In your opinion was Nelson Mandela a terrorist or a freedom fighter?

    Yep, infact chenney even called Mandela a terrorist in the 80's.
    ---

    Even night clubs were blown up during that time.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe
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  • I'll take a Palestinians family in my appartment if it means Quebec is a State/Country (whatever word)...
    "L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
    -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    I personally dont want them to have their own land.
    America...the greatest Country in the world.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    miller8966 wrote:
    I personally dont want them to have their own land.

    I personally don't want our soldiers in Iraq, is that going to change anything?
  • El_Kabong wrote:
    actually according to amnesty international something like 5 palestinian children are killed for every 1 israeli child killed...and a lot of palestinian children live w/ severe malnutrition according to other human rights groups.

    oh, and
    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=211301
    And we all know the Euro controlled AI would never exaggerate a statistic or a fact to serve it's own purposes. These institutions you speak of are made up of human beings who are fallible and subject to bias like any other organization. AI is not god. I don't dispute the Palestinians largely live in terrible conditions. How do I know? I was just there. I went, despite all of my governments warnings not to go, and saw the West Bank myself. I went to Hebron, I went to Bethelhem. Do the Israelis live more comfortably? Absolutely. Why? Simple, an educated democratic people using its limited resources to create a burgeoning economy. If the Israelis can do it for themselves why can't the arabs? And don't feed me this American support bullshit. We did not even support Israel in the 67 War until the very end.


    I also went to Egypt and to Jordan, and I can tell you that condition in those countries were just as desparate as the Palestinian. The reality is the average Arab government could give two shits about the Palestinians. They were kicked out Jordan, Lebanon, and Egypt in large numbers. The Palestinians, sadly, are used by virtually every Arab and Muslim despot to serve their own purposes. Once it was Nasser, Qaddafi, Amin, Kohmeini, and now Ahmadnijad. It's all the same. The Saudis alone could provide the dough out of probably 1/4 of year's oil profits to build a Palestinian infratructure. But do they? No. Why not? They don't give a shit. That's the truth. So before you get on the Hamas bandwagon do some reading. Because they crap that gets churned out on this board is just that, crap.

    So give me some real educated opinions. Not just bullshit opinions that are being fed to you by the radical left.
  • Byrnzie wrote:
    Perhaps when Israel ends the illegal 35 year old military occupation of Palestinian land then the people who are being subjected to terror on a daily basis by a brutal and sophisticated army will stop feeling that their only means of fighting back is to kill themselves and others in the process.
    But then, this is obviously just a one-sided, black and white issue for you, courtesy of Fox news, or the daily Telegraph - depending on where you live.
    You don't recall African children blowing up Johanesburg on a regular basis? Do you know anything about the ANC's armed uprising against the apartheid regime? Or are you just spouting hot air?
    In your opinion was Nelson Mandela a terrorist or a freedom fighter?

    If you care so much, why dont you Martyr your children...Sickening? Absolutely.
  • miller8966 wrote:
    I personally dont want them to have their own land.

    why don't you want that to happen?
    I'll dig a tunnel
    from my window to yours

  • So give me some real educated opinions. Not just bullshit opinions that are being fed to you by the radical left.

    Visiting somewhere or even living somewhere doesn't necessarily make you educated on what's going on, pal. There are plenty of US citizens who are clueless as all get out about their own country to prove that point.

    And what makes an educated opinion to you? One that echos your already 'set in stone' mindset? Because it seems like you react to anything that goes against it as bullshit and do so quite over aggressively, I might add. No room for discussion when you're so closed minded towards any rebuttal. Even if you don't change your mind, which many of us don't often times, there's still a better way to go about getting your point across than your current method.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Visiting somewhere or even living somewhere doesn't necessarily make you educated on what's going on, pal. There are plenty of US citizens who are clueless as all get out about their own country to prove that point.

    And what makes an educated opinion to you? One that echos your already 'set in stone' mindset? Because it seems like you react to anything that goes against it as bullshit and do so quite over aggressively, I might add. No room for discussion when you're so closed minded towards any rebuttal. Even if you don't change your mind, which many of us don't often times, there's still a better way to go about getting your point across than your current method.


    The reality is that people on this board who don't go along with the prevailing view here are reported and banned. So what differnce does it make how I make my point? I make it so that someone out there might be spurred to dig a little deeper, because I don't see much more than self serving newspaper clippings to back up people's points rather than actual well thought out individual knowledge. It's easy just to jump on the bandwagon and attack all things Geroge Bush or pro-American whatever that might be. But to actually engage in reasoned debate requires more than cutting and pasting a newspaper article.
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