Bush calls for a Palestinian state

puremagic

Excerpt from the State of the Union address, 2007.

...we're pursuing diplomacy to help bring peace to the Holy Land, and pursuing the establishment of a democratic Palestinian state living side-by-side with Israel in peace and security. (Applause.)

B nice

israel will just wipe Palestine off the map again

norm

puremagic wrote:

Excerpt from the State of the Union address, 2007.

...we're pursuing diplomacy to help bring peace to the Holy Land, and pursuing the establishment of a democratic Palestinian state living side-by-side with Israel in peace and security. (Applause.)

hahahahahahahahahaha
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oh he's serious

Yeah that's gonna happen

polaris

any chance israel will? ... any chance the palestinians will?

anyhoo - i apologize if i don't get too excited from any words bush speaks - anything good he's ever talked about (money for hydrogen research) he's always renegged on ... his road map asks palestinians to accept temporary borders ... temporary borders that are not adequate and that will never change ...

in all honesty - i am willing to bet that if moderates (who i believe represent the majority) on both sides of the conflict were to sit down and negotiate ... we can have the two states divided within 30 days ...

MrBrian

You know, right before he attacked afghanistan he said the same thing, then again before the iraq war I believe the same words came from his mouth. Infact I remember the exact headline "visions of a palestinan state"

So based on that, I think he's getting ready to bomb iran.

Ahnimus

I tried to go clean from protesting but I'm a recidivist
my government behaving with unlimited wickedness
in the interest of peace is how a liar wages war
then clamors for more.
I wish we had elections every day
wave the ballot in the air like a sign when I say
that democracy delivered by the bomb and the gun
is terror elsewhere on the world I'm from

do you cheer for the once-and-for-all of an enemy
whose hand our man don was on in '83
but who now exemplifies all evil
that's what you get for shaking hands with people
who represent the vast and sinister interests of industry
we protect the free trade world, so don't dare try to stop us
we deliver them bullets and sell them their coffins

and I wish that I could afford the ear of Bush the second
I'd ask is it your favorite philosopher who recommended
invading and exterminating all who defy us,
crying out justice but seeking out triumphs?
wasn't your christ unbeloved of empires?
one nailed his ass to a post; he expired!
a terrorist, as roman evidence showed
put down like a retard on the death row
in texas, I guess "tough luck," right George?
ain't that how every war gets scored?
big gun wins, winner gets a free turn
enemy after enemy burns
are you listening sir? or did your mind drift
to the next country in your axis
to all the cool bombs drops you get to call
delivery fresh from the 4th reich to y'all

http://frontalot.com/media.php/76/mc_frontalot_-_special_delivery.mp3

Last Exodus

B nice wrote:

israel will just wipe Palestine off the map again

There never was a Palestinian state. Show me a map that shows a nation state called Palestine and the discuss. Last time I checked they blew their chance of a state in 48, 67, 73, and in the 80's. Why don't we give them Canada. Then Ahnimus will have lots of new friends.

B nice

map of palestine .com/org ??


http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&rls=GFRB,GFRB:2006-44,GFRB:en&sa=N&resnum=0&q=map%20of%20palestine&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&tab=wi

Ahnimus

Last Exodus wrote:

There never was a Palestinian state. Show me a map that shows a nation state called Palestine and the discuss. Last time I checked they blew their chance of a state in 48, 67, 73, and in the 80's. Why don't we give them Canada. Then Ahnimus will have lots of new friends.

I'm down with that, as I've said before. They can have Quebec, makes no difference to me. Shit, I'll even let a few sleep on my couch. I'm not a racist pig like you. Palestine did exist prior to the Balfour declaration and after the '48 resolution. It still exists today, if you look at a map, any map, the west bank and gaza strip are marked Palestine.

Last Exodus

Ahnimus wrote:

I'm down with that, as I've said before. They can have Quebec, makes no difference to me. Shit, I'll even let a few sleep on my couch. I'm not a racist pig like you. Palestine did exist prior to the Balfour declaration and after the '48 resolution. It still exists today, if you look at a map, any map, the west bank and gaza strip are marked Palestine.

Racist. That's funny. Im done debating Bozo the Clown. You lose Canuck fuck

Matt8townsend

Bush's ne-con administartion will never genuinely push for a viable two state solution. He answers to too powerful a group of lobbysist whose literal (and therefor insane - or intellectually infantile - take your pick) interpratation of biblical prophecy views Islreali occupancy of 'The Holy land' as a prerequisite for the second coming of Jesus.

This is the level of archane superstition and intellectual failure that affects the lives of every one on this planet by exerting such an influence over the most powerful governent the world has ever known.

It's the same mindet, blunted and eroded by unquestioning religious belief that led Reagan's environmental advisor to dismiss fears over global warming because his child mind believed the apocalyptic scenario as laid down in the Book of Revelations is imminent.

If the Israeli/Palestinian crisis erupted and expanded to an all out Nuclear Armageddon these guys would presumably believe its a great thing because it means Jesus' return will shortly follow.

Mad b*stards.

What was it that Jefferson said about the church and state? It seems to gotten lost over the years.

B nice

Matt8townsend wrote:

Bush's ne-con administartion will never genuinely push for a viable two state solution. He answers to too powerful a group of lobbysist whose literal (and therefor insane - or intellectually infantile - take your pick) interpratation of biblical prophecy views Islreali occupancy of 'The Holy land' as a prerequisite for the second coming of Jesus.

This is the level of archane superstition and intellectual failure that affects the lives of every one on this planet by exerting such an influence over the most powerful governent the world has ever known.

It's the same mindet, blunted and eroded by unquestioning religious belief that led Reagan's environmental advisor to dismiss fears over global warming because his child mind believed the apocalyptic scenario as laid down in the Book of Revelations is imminent.

If the Israeli/Palestinian crisis erupted and expanded to an all out Nuclear Armageddon these guys would presumably believe its a great thing because it means Jesus' return will shortly follow.

Mad b*stards.

What was it that Jefferson said about the church and state? It seems to gotten lost over the years.

It not just the christians

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Jesus_praying_behind_Mahdi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_Jesus



schools that teach the destruction of israel are called "sunday schools" here in the u of the s of the a

thankyougrandma

Ahnimus wrote:

I'm down with that, as I've said before. They can have Quebec, makes no difference to me. Shit, I'll even let a few sleep on my couch. I'm not a racist pig like you. Palestine did exist prior to the Balfour declaration and after the '48 resolution. It still exists today, if you look at a map, any map, the west bank and gaza strip are marked Palestine.

ahh i miss this place and comments like this...

Byrnzie

Depends what he means by state.
The bottom line is, it will be a state acceptable to Israel. Therefore we can expect more of the same.
They'll offer the Palestinians a few scattered, and separated parcels of land. They will have no sovereignty over air or sea space, and all roads connecting these Apartheid style bantustans - or reservations - will be manned by Israeli soldiers.
The Palestinians will also be told to renounce violence, whilst their land continues to be stolen, their homes demolished, and their citizens subjected to intermittent military incursions, and random assassinations and atrocities.
When the Palestinians reject this offer they will be accused of jeopardising the 'road map to peace'.

josevolution

speaking of the state of the union address did any one notice how he did not again he did not mention NEW ORLEANS at all how fucked up is that ,and last night CNN had the vice president on an interview he did with WOLF BLITZER man this vice president is really scary, he would not budge on the fact that this administration screwd this whole WAR up as a matter of fact he said they had made great strides sorry for not having the link to his interview the sooner this guy is out of the white house the better this country will be ...... :(

Last Exodus

Byrnzie wrote:

Depends what he means by state.
The bottom line is, it will be a state acceptable to Israel. Therefore we can expect more of the same.
They'll offer the Palestinians a few scattered, and separated parcels of land. They will have no sovereignty over air or sea space, and all roads connecting these Apartheid style bantustans - or reservations - will be manned by Israeli soldiers.
The Palestinians will also be told to renounce violence, whilst their land continues to be stolen, their homes demolished, and their citizens subjected to intermittent military incursions, and random assassinations and atrocities.
When the Palestinians reject this offer they will be accused of jeopardising the 'road map to peace'.

I don't see the problem, Ahnimus offered them Quebec. Done. Buy them parkas and send them on their way.

Last Exodus

Byrnzie wrote:

Depends what he means by state.
The bottom line is, it will be a state acceptable to Israel. Therefore we can expect more of the same.
They'll offer the Palestinians a few scattered, and separated parcels of land. They will have no sovereignty over air or sea space, and all roads connecting these Apartheid style bantustans - or reservations - will be manned by Israeli soldiers.
The Palestinians will also be told to renounce violence, whilst their land continues to be stolen, their homes demolished, and their citizens subjected to intermittent military incursions, and random assassinations and atrocities.
When the Palestinians reject this offer they will be accused of jeopardising the 'road map to peace'.

Perhaps when they stop sending their children onto civillian busses strapped with explosives to kill and mame innocent civillians the walls and guard posts can come down. But we all know that won't happen so to compare Israel to South Africa is outrageous. I don't recall African children blowing up in Johanesburg on a regular basis.

El_Kabong

Last Exodus wrote:

Perhaps when they stop sending their children onto civillian busses strapped with explosives to kill and mame innocent civillians the walls and guard posts can come down. But we all know that won't happen so to compare Israel to South Africa is outrageous. I don't recall African children blowing up in Johanesburg on a regular basis.

actually according to amnesty international something like 5 palestinian children are killed for every 1 israeli child killed...and a lot of palestinian children live w/ severe malnutrition according to other human rights groups.

oh, and
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=211301

B nice

Last Exodus wrote:

Perhaps when they stop sending their children onto civillian busses strapped with explosives to kill and mame innocent civillians the walls and guard posts can come down. But we all know that won't happen so to compare Israel to South Africa is outrageous. I don't recall African children blowing up in Johanesburg on a regular basis.

israel has always had a fondness for south africa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_Incident

nuclear weapons and diamonds........ please break a stereotype

El_Kabong

B nice wrote:

map of palestine .com/org ??


http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&rls=GFRB,GFRB:2006-44,GFRB:en&sa=N&resnum=0&q=map%20of%20palestine&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&tab=wi

hahahaha

Byrnzie

Last Exodus wrote:

Perhaps when they stop sending their children onto civillian busses strapped with explosives to kill and mame innocent civillians the walls and guard posts can come down. But we all know that won't happen so to compare Israel to South Africa is outrageous. I don't recall African children blowing up in Johanesburg on a regular basis.

Perhaps when Israel ends the illegal 35 year old military occupation of Palestinian land then the people who are being subjected to terror on a daily basis by a brutal and sophisticated army will stop feeling that their only means of fighting back is to kill themselves and others in the process.
But then, this is obviously just a one-sided, black and white issue for you, courtesy of Fox news, or the daily Telegraph - depending on where you live.
You don't recall African children blowing up Johanesburg on a regular basis? Do you know anything about the ANC's armed uprising against the apartheid regime? Or are you just spouting hot air?
In your opinion was Nelson Mandela a terrorist or a freedom fighter?