Obama/Joe Biden ticket

flywallyfly

Hey Abook -- why do you answer questions directed specifically at El Kabong? Can you just not help it or something? I'm not talking about discussing a subject simultaneously, I'm talking about literally answering questions for him, directed at him. You do it fairly often.

Abookamongstthemany

flywallyfly wrote:

Hey Abook -- why do you answer questions directed specifically at El Kabong? Can you just not help it or something? I'm not talking about discussing a subject simultaneously, I'm talking about literally answering questions for him, directed at him. You do it fairly often.

Because I was logged in and could easily address your post. I'll also do this when he leaves for work...if I know the answer to a question posed to him then I'll answer. I mean why not if he's not at a computer and I know his thoughts on the matter? Why would there be a problem with it is what I don't get? And I also I disagree with your assessment that I do it fairly often...I do it every now and again would be much more accurate.

Abookamongstthemany

flywallyfly wrote:

I already explained this to you.

http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5622859&postcount=22

Edit ---> I already explained this to El Kabong. I thought he was answering my post to him, forgetting you answer posts directed to him as well. Sorry.

I read that post and still thought your reply needed to be addressed regardless of whom you quoted.

It was a silly reply that made no sense....so I said so. I don't care who you were talking to...I still posted my thoughts on it.

flywallyfly

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Because I was logged in and could easily address your post. I'll also do this when he leaves for work...if I know the answer to a question posed to him then I'll answer. I mean why not if he's not at a computer and I know his thoughts on the matter? Why would there be a problem with it is what I don't get? And I also I disagree with your assessment that I do it fairly often...I do it every now and again would be much more accurate.

I can see where no one would find this strange at all. hee hee.

Abookamongstthemany

flywallyfly wrote:

I can see where no one would find this strange at all. hee hee.

Why is it so strange? Do enlighten me. I don't get how answering a question I know the answer to when someone else can't at the moment is so mind blowing to you.

mca47

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Oh yeah, what did you like about Joe Biden again? I still don't remember seeing anything about him that explains his greatness.

Did you get a chance to look at his voting record?

I mean, how do you define a politician's "greatness"?


What I like about him is his realistic approach to the mess in Iraq/Iran/the Middle East (and his overall views and experience in foreign relations), his past and current views on environmental issues, gun control, education, etc.
What I like about him IMO he is more "realistic" and practical on his approach to issues. He might not be as dare I say it "liberal" as I'd like him to be on some issues...but that could actually be a good thing.

sweetpotato

mca47 wrote:

I think it would be the toughest ticket for the republicans to beat.
The numbers are in his favor now, but I think Joe Biden would be a great choice. I've always been a fan of his.

I've been saying this for months. haven't hopped on the train in a while, but this thread pulled me back in. at least for a minute.

obama-biden 2008!

sweetpotato

flywallyfly wrote:

Hey Abook -- why do you answer questions directed specifically at El Kabong? Can you just not help it or something? I'm not talking about discussing a subject simultaneously, I'm talking about literally answering questions for him, directed at him. You do it fairly often.

Abookamongstthemany

mca47 wrote:

Did you get a chance to look at his voting record?

Sure, I've seen it but that doesn't tell me what you like about it.

mca47 wrote:

I mean, how do you define a politician's "greatness"?

It's subjective. What I view as great about someone, you might not. I kept seeing a lot of people say he is great but I didn't see any reasons given as to why they thought so.

mca47 wrote:

What I like about him is his realistic approach to the mess in Iraq/Iran/the Middle East (and his overall views and experience in foreign relations), his past and current views on environmental issues, gun control, education, etc.
What I like about him IMO he is more "realistic" and practical on his approach to issues. He might not be as dare I say it "liberal" as I'd like him to be on some issues...but that could actually be a good thing.

How is his approach a 'realistic one? This sounds kinda vague. What has he said or did that makes his approach realistic to you?

And you say that it could be a good thing that he leans more right than what you would like him to be??? So you're saying that you don't want him to effect policy in ways that better reflect your own views but rather you want him to simply win whether or not he is the type of politician that will push for things you'd like to see happen in the whitehouse.

What if too many people are doing just what you are then? Supporting a guy they think everyone else will go far and ignoring what they really would like to see in a politician? The people's stances on the issues have been consistently polling to the left of our elected officials(which are pandering to special interests). So it seems like we all are sacrificing what we'd really like to see happen and settling for mediocre because we all seem to feel that the only electable choice.....and it's not. We can vote for whom ever we choose. That's democracy. And media is fooling people out of realizing this by telling everyone what choices are suitable.

mca47

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Sure, I've seen it but that doesn't tell me what you like about it.



It's subjective. What I view as great about someone, you might not. I kept seeing a lot of people say he is great but I didn't see any reasons given as to why they thought so.




How is his approach a 'realistic one? This sounds kinda vague. What has he said or did that makes his approach realistic to you?

And you say that it could be a good thing that he leans more right than what you would like him to be??? So you're saying that you don't want him to effect policy in ways that better reflect your own views but rather you want him to simply win whether or not he is the type of politician that will push for things you'd like to see happen in the whitehouse.

What if too many people are doing just what you are then? Supporting a guy they think everyone else will go far and ignoring what they really would like to see in a politician? The people's stances on the issues have been consistently polling to the left of our elected officials(which are pandering to special interests). So it seems like we all are sacrificing what we'd really like to see happen and settling for mediocre because we all seem to feel that the only electable choice.....and it's not. We can vote for whom ever we choose. That's democracy. And media is fooling people out of realizing this by telling everyone what choices are suitable.

"How is his approach a 'realistic one? This sounds kinda vague. What has he said or did that makes his approach realistic to you?"

He's the only one who has basically put it all on the table. He's said exactly what he wants and should be done in that region.
I, unlike yourself and others, believe that pulling everyone out of Iraq all at once and instantly is a bad idea.

"And you say that it could be a good thing that he leans more right than what you would like him to be??? So you're saying that you don't want him to effect policy in ways that better reflect your own views but rather you want him to simply win whether or not he is the type of politician that will push for things you'd like to see happen in the whitehouse."

I admit, I consider myself to be quite liberal. There are certain issues I tend to lean more right on but for the most part I'm left of center on most issues.
Is it not possible to realize that someone's views other than my own might benefit the greater whole more than just myself? I can sit here and talk about an ideal world from my perspective, but is that really the best way to see it? I think anyone who has views on either extreme of the political spectrum can be scary. Biden, IMO is liberal but also has some more centrist views (like myself), and if some of those are more right than mine that's fine because when I look at him I can see how I would selfishly benefit (as we have similar views) but I can also see how others would benefit from his more centrist views.

"What if too many people are doing just what you are then? Supporting a guy they think everyone else will go far and ignoring what they really would like to see in a politician? "

Well, that's not the case. I like what I see in Biden...well I mentioned it above...

Im still here

mca47 wrote:

I think it would be the toughest ticket for the republicans to beat.
The numbers are in his favor now, but I think Joe Biden would be a great choice. I've always been a fan of his.

I like Biden too

I would have voted for him if he hadnt dropped out

Abookamongstthemany

mca47 wrote:

"How is his approach a 'realistic one? This sounds kinda vague. What has he said or did that makes his approach realistic to you?"

He's the only one who has basically put it all on the table. He's said exactly what he wants and should be done in that region.
I, unlike yourself and others, believe that pulling everyone out of Iraq all at once and instantly is a bad idea.

"And you say that it could be a good thing that he leans more right than what you would like him to be??? So you're saying that you don't want him to effect policy in ways that better reflect your own views but rather you want him to simply win whether or not he is the type of politician that will push for things you'd like to see happen in the whitehouse."

I admit, I consider myself to be quite liberal. There are certain issues I tend to lean more right on but for the most part I'm left of center on most issues.
Is it not possible to realize that someone's views other than my own might benefit the greater whole more than just myself? I can sit here and talk about an ideal world from my perspective, but is that really the best way to see it? I think anyone who has views on either extreme of the political spectrum can be scary. Biden, IMO is liberal but also has some more centrist views (like myself), and if some of those are more right than mine that's fine because when I look at him I can see how I would selfishly benefit (as we have similar views) but I can also see how others would benefit from his more centrist views.

"What if too many people are doing just what you are then? Supporting a guy they think everyone else will go far and ignoring what they really would like to see in a politician? "

Well, that's not the case. I like what I see in Biden...well I mentioned it above...

My views are based on what I think is best for everyone as a whole or else I wouldn't have them.

cornnifer

This thread is a joke. A person states they like Joe Biden and all of a sudden you got Abook and the bonger givin' 'em the old one two about "what do you like about him, blah, blah, you can't be specific, blah, blah", knowing damn well whatever the poster responds with won't be good enough. Why does it matter anyway? I've got a suggestion. How about you go out and cast your "i'm like really, really cool, and like, all alternative and stuff so i suppoort Ralph Nader" vote, let everyone else make up their own mind, for whatever reason they see fit, and let it be. For two people who constantly accuse people of telling them who to vote for, Abook and the bonger are the worst at doing just that! Vote for who you want. Let everyone else do the same.

mca47

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

My views are based on what I think is best for everyone as a whole or else I wouldn't have them.

Awesome. We agree on something!

LOL

cornnifer

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

My views are based on what I think is best for everyone as a whole or else I wouldn't have them.

So are mine. So are a lot of other people's who no doubt disagree with both of us. That's the rub. Many people, many views about what is best.

Abookamongstthemany

cornnifer wrote:

This thread is a joke. A person states they like Joe Biden and all of a sudden you got Abook and the bonger givin' 'em the old one two about "what do you like about him, blah, blah, you can't be specific, blah, blah", knowing damn well whatever the poster responds with won't be good enough. Why does it matter anyway? I've got a suggestion. How about you go out and cast your "i'm like really, really cool, and like, all alternative and stuff so i suppoort Ralph Nader" vote, let everyone else make up their own mind, for whatever reason they see fit, and let it be. For two people who constantly accuse people of telling them who to vote for, Abook and the bonger are the worst at doing just that! Vote for who you want. Let everyone else do the same.

This board is for discussion/debate. It's not like you don't ask people to back up what they are saying when you disagree with them or when you want more clarification. yourself....you get in heated arguments all the time over someone's opinion. This board has never been about everyone agreeing or just ignoring people we don't agree with...so you Obama supporters that think the board dynamics suddenly changed when you don't want to be asked questions is pretty laughable.

If they don't want to say why they like Biden, then they are free to say just that or not even reply to my question. It might appear that they don't have a good reason to others but that's on them. I can't force them to answer anything. All I can do is ask the questions that I'm curious about...is that okay with you, cornnifer? Does that fit into your view of how the board is supposed to be?

I want to further the political discourse we are currently used to....I see faaaaar too many people say they support someone and never have a clue as to why really. This is not good for our democracy.....we NEED informed voters who are aware of the kind of person/issues they are voting for. So I will continue to ask these kinds of questions as long as I continue to see people saying how great someone is without even telling us why. We desperately need to start having these discussions. mca47 answered me and though I may disagree with his position at least he bothered to explain it...that is all I'm looking for....for people to have some kind of rational points behind their support for these candidates.

Abookamongstthemany

cornnifer wrote:

So are mine. So are a lot of other people's who no doubt disagree with both of us. That's the rub. Many people, many views about what is best.

and? what am I supposed to do? vote for someone else's views and not my own? that makes no sense

El_Kabong

cornnifer wrote:

telling them who to vote for, Abook and the bonger are the worst at doing just that! Vote for who you want. Let everyone else do the same.

examples, please?

my2hands

you guys are still missing the obvious big picture here...


Joe Biden is from motherfucking DELAWARE... so we know he is the shit


what else do you really need to know?

sweetpotato

cornnifer wrote:

This thread is a joke. A person states they like Joe Biden and all of a sudden you got Abook and the bonger givin' 'em the old one two about "what do you like about him, blah, blah, you can't be specific, blah, blah", knowing damn well whatever the poster responds with won't be good enough. Why does it matter anyway? I've got a suggestion. How about you go out and cast your "i'm like really, really cool, and like, all alternative and stuff so i suppoort Ralph Nader" vote, let everyone else make up their own mind, for whatever reason they see fit, and let it be. For two people who constantly accuse people of telling them who to vote for, Abook and the bonger are the worst at doing just that! Vote for who you want. Let everyone else do the same.

yep, what he said.