Obama/Joe Biden ticket

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  • flywallyfly
    flywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    El_Kabong wrote:
    see post #2, 6, 8 and 9 of this thread

    then you posted and told someone who also inquired to look it up for themself...which i replied to

    See post #13. He was asking me a sarcastic question to ME. I replied with a sarcastic answer to HIM. Fairly simple concept. My statement was obvious why I liked Biden but maybe you should read it again to be clear. For all of the others, that is between you and them. Ask them for an answer please.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    What all do you like about Biden, personally?

    What do you like about Matt Gonzalez? (serious question... no links, your own words please :))
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    flywallyfly wrote:
    See post #13. He was asking me a sarcastic question to ME. I replied with a sarcastic answer to HIM. Fairly simple concept. My statement was obvious why I liked Biden but maybe you should read it again to be clear. For all of the others, that is between you and them. Ask them for an answer please.


    but i didn't ask you to back biden up, please reread my single sentence

    'well, if someone's gonna make a statement maybe they should back it up?'

    which was referring to bootsygraham saying he made wise and intelligent decisions
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    my2hands wrote:
    What do you like about Matt Gonzalez? (serious question... no links, your own words please :))


    i like his minimum wage w/ a sliding scale for inflation he implemented, i like how he fought for the consumer against the cell phone companies, he's had a career of fighting political corruption and environmental crimes, he enacted campaign and election reforms, instant run-off voting, his stance and answer for health care, iraq, foreign policy, energy policy (not the 'maybe 25% by 2025 obama pushes)....
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Joe Biden is from Delaware


    which automatically makes him fucking awesome! :D
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    my2hands wrote:
    What do you like about Matt Gonzalez? (serious question... no links, your own words please :))


    He's fucking hot! duh :D



    Seriously, I could go on and on about this guy but Kabong highlighted his strengths pretty well. I will add that on top of all of his wonderfully progressive record...he is a passionate and extremely articulate speaker, he really helps deliver the emotion behind the cause which makes him an amazing asset for Nader who can be very detail-oriented and methodical when speaking...so together they offer the best of both worlds. :)
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • peacegirl
    peacegirl Posts: 841
    BootsyGraham wrote:
    He knows what the fuck he's talking about. He's very smart, and he's made for the most part wise political decisions; not necessarily decisions on paper but through other means. He's very intelligent and he actually, unlike the majority of the candidates from either party, has some experience.

    Honestly, I would love to see that ticket. If not, he would make an excellent Secretary of State.

    I don't think he'll be on the ticket as VP (he has reputation for running his mouth which could be seen as a liability) but I totally agree that he should be Secretary of State.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    peacegirl wrote:
    I don't think he'll be on the ticket as VP (he has reputation for running his mouth which could be seen as a liability) but I totally agree that he should be Secretary of State.


    Hey! You're from Delaware! Maybe you should be the running mate?!

    :D:)
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    peacegirl wrote:
    I don't think he'll be on the ticket as VP (he has reputation for running his mouth which could be seen as a liability) but I totally agree that he should be Secretary of State.

    see, peacegirl knows Delaware rocks!!! :D


    welcome to the board fellow first stater
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Hey! You're from Delaware! Maybe you should be the running mate?!

    :D:)


    what am i, chopped liver :p
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    my2hands wrote:
    what am i, chopped liver :p


    I thought of you as more of the 'rather not be a politician types' :D
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,337
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    He's fucking hot! duh :D



    Seriously, I could go on and on about this guy but Kabong highlighted his strengths pretty well. I will add that on top of all of his wonderfully progressive record...he is a passionate and extremely articulate speaker, he really helps deliver the emotion behind the cause which makes him an amazing asset for Nader who can be very detail-oriented and methodical when speaking...so together they offer the best of both worlds. :)

    How would you feel if Obama picked Matt Gonzalez?
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    mca47 wrote:
    How would you feel if Obama picked Matt Gonzalez?

    I would first be completely shocked. Then I would be happy that now Matt Gonzalez was getting the kind of press and exposure he deserves. Then I would feel bad that I couldn't vote for him because of all the things Obama has done that I can't excuse, rationalize or justify not to mention that his platform is nothing to be excited about...the just the opposite. Then I would wonder how Matt could have even considered taking the offer seeing as how the things these two guys are working towards seem to be quite contradictory. It would be more than a little puzzling...

    So I s'pose it would be bittersweet for me and a bit strange. :)
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • beachdweller
    beachdweller Posts: 1,532
    mca47 wrote:
    I think it would be the toughest ticket for the republicans to beat.
    The numbers are in his favor now, but I think Joe Biden would be a great choice. I've always been a fan of his.

    I'm a big fan of Joe Biden. For the little time he had to speak in the debates this year, he said the most.
    "Music, for me, was fucking heroin." eV (nothing Ed has said is more true for me personally than this quote)

    Stop by:
    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=14678777351&ref=mf
  • South of Seattle
    South of Seattle West Seattle Posts: 10,724
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I would first be completely shocked. Then I would be happy that now Matt Gonzalez was getting the kind of press and exposure he deserves. Then I would feel bad that I couldn't vote for him because of all the things Obama has done that I can't excuse, rationalize or justify not to mention that his platform is nothing to be excited about...the just the opposite. Then I would wonder how Matt could have even considered taking the offer seeing as how the things these two guys are working towards seem to be quite contradictory. It would be more than a little puzzling...

    So I s'pose it would be bittersweet for me and a bit strange. :)

    But wouldn't Gonzalez as VP give him a chance to put forth some of his agenda? Which I think would be good if you were a supporter of his.
    NERDS!
  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,337
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I would first be completely shocked. Then I would be happy that now Matt Gonzalez was getting the kind of press and exposure he deserves. Then I would feel bad that I couldn't vote for him because of all the things Obama has done that I can't excuse, rationalize or justify not to mention that his platform is nothing to be excited about...the just the opposite. Then I would wonder how Matt could have even considered taking the offer seeing as how the things these two guys are working towards seem to be quite contradictory. It would be more than a little puzzling...

    So I s'pose it would be bittersweet for me and a bit strange. :)

    So you couldn't vote for you're boy knowing full well that he stands no chance ever to hold that kind of position? Seems to me that you'd be excited he'd be in the limelight (for once) and at the worst have him run post-Obama (baby steps, remember?).

    We've had the discussion before about the idea of not voting and non-effectively "sticking it to the man", but even if you guy is picked you'd still stick to your guns?

    "All the things Obama has done and you can't excuse"? Don't most of your threads talk about Obama and his inexperience and conspiracy theories from some non-nonsensical webpage? I kid of course. :P

    Do I think Obama is perfect? Absolutely not! Do I think he's better than what we've seen in a while? Absolutely!
    Something is better than nothing, and I believe good things stem from themselves even if the roots aren't perfect.
  • flywallyfly
    flywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    El_Kabong wrote:
    but i didn't ask you to back biden up, please reread my single sentence

    'well, if someone's gonna make a statement maybe they should back it up?'

    which was referring to bootsygraham saying he made wise and intelligent decisions

    Good grief. Then why did u quote me if u were referring to Bootsy? That's kind of a roundabout way to get an answer from him/her. If you want I can PM Bootsy or perhaps pass him a note in class that you wanna ask him a question.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    mca47 wrote:
    So you couldn't vote for you're boy knowing full well that he stands no chance ever to hold that kind of position? Seems to me that you'd be excited he'd be in the limelight (for once) and at the worst have him run post-Obama (baby steps, remember?).

    Well let's be honest...your hypothetical would never happen. The things Gonzalez is against are exactly what Obama is for. And frankly, I tire from this 'baby step' argument seeing as how it usually means no steps...just more of the same. That's what I see in Obama...if you don't then fine. I think this baby step argument keeps people stalled from demanding more and believing we have the power to elect a government that we actually want and not one that we are settling for just because it's a D and not a R...either way we keep getting the short end of the stick.

    We totally have the power as citizens of this country to say 'ENOUGH! We aren't voting for you guys anymore...you don't deserve our support.' Then we can easily proceed to vote for people who deserve it...people that aren't baby-no-steps but rather people we can be proud to see in office representing us. We can all vote for whomever we choose to. The Democrats and Republicans are NOT OWED OUR VOTES! It's as simple as voting for what you think is best.
    mca47 wrote:
    We've had the discussion before about the idea of not voting and non-effectively "sticking it to the man", but even if you guy is picked you'd still stick to your guns?

    As I've said, nothing Matt stands for would be allowed to happen in an Obama whitehouse.
    mca47 wrote:
    "All the things Obama has done and you can't excuse"? Don't most of your threads talk about Obama and his inexperience and conspiracy theories from some non-nonsensical webpage? I kid of course. :P

    :D I was fixing to drop a ton of links on your ass! LOL
    mca47 wrote:
    Do I think Obama is perfect? Absolutely not! Do I think he's better than what we've seen in a while? Absolutely!
    Something is better than nothing, and I believe good things stem from themselves even if the roots aren't perfect.

    It's not about someone being perfect. I don't need perfect and Nader isn't perfect, either. I don't understand why the 'perfect' argument is always dropped. I haven't seen anyone say they need a candidate to be perfect. I simply want the person I support and vote for to represent my beliefs and ideals....Obama doesn't come close.

    What makes Obama better than what we've seen in a while? better than Kerry? better than Bill Clinton or Hilary for that matter? I'm not seeing it.

    I see Obama as getting nothing new. I want our country to quit relying and trusting in these 2 parties that have proven themselves to be corrupt, ineffectual and flat out liars time and time again. Why do we feel obligated to vote for them? Why do we let other people tell us what is and isn't possible? Why do we act so powerless to change it when we aren't?

    They are not doing their job and we are the ones who have to pay for it. That's not something...it's nothing but problems. This country has been stuck in a perpetual state of 'digging itself out of the holes we dig oursleves into' for as long as I can remember. When do we finally get to do better?

    The way I see it...I'm voting for something...something new and better. I'll simply continue to say what I have been and keep up the hope that some day soon the rest of the country gets fed up enough to fire these phoney public servants and start giving some other parties and people a chance, ones that better represent what we actually want like UHC, a less bloated defense budget, a serious stance on the environment and alternative energies, a new foreign policy that doesn't believe in pre-emptively attacking other countries when they feel like it, not having our politicians bought by the banking/financial sector....etc. I'm voting for what I want to see....that's what your vote it supposed to do. It's your vote! Let it express what your thoughts on these matters without worrying about what others are going to do....you can't reply on the media to lead you in a direction that would actually change things, not when they are bought by the same corporations that have also bought our gov't. Of course they are going to tell you what isn't possible/ viable/ long shot/unelectable.....why don't we decide for ourselves?

    Oh yeah, what did you like about Joe Biden again? I still don't remember seeing anything about him that explains his greatness. ;)
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    flywallyfly wrote:
    Good grief. Then why did u quote me if u were referring to Bootsy? That's kind of a roundabout way to get an answer from him/her. If you want I can PM Bootsy or perhaps pass him a note in class that you wanna ask him a question.


    Because you were the one who brought up the idea of looking it up on google, which isn't going to tell me why someone on this board thinks Joe Biden is great.

    Searching on google for 'why does Bootsy like Joe Biden?' is kinda dumb. So the idea in your post was what he wanted to address....it doesn't matter who you were quoting, it was an illogical thing to say thus the reply you got.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • flywallyfly
    flywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Because you were the one who brought up the idea of looking it up on google, which isn't going to tell me why someone on this board thinks Joe Biden is great.

    Searching on google for 'why does Bootsy like Joe Biden?' is kinda dumb. So the idea in your post was what he wanted to address....it doesn't matter who you were quoting, it was an illogical thing to say thus the reply you got.


    I already explained this to you.

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5622859&postcount=22

    Edit ---> I already explained this to El Kabong. I thought he was answering my post to him, forgetting you answer posts directed to him as well. Sorry.

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