Seriously, I could go on and on about this guy but Kabong highlighted his strengths pretty well. I will add that on top of all of his wonderfully progressive record...he is a passionate and extremely articulate speaker, he really helps deliver the emotion behind the cause which makes him an amazing asset for Nader who can be very detail-oriented and methodical when speaking...so together they offer the best of both worlds.
I would first be completely shocked. Then I would be happy that now Matt Gonzalez was getting the kind of press and exposure he deserves. Then I would feel bad that I couldn't vote for him because of all the things Obama has done that I can't excuse, rationalize or justify not to mention that his platform is nothing to be excited about...the just the opposite. Then I would wonder how Matt could have even considered taking the offer seeing as how the things these two guys are working towards seem to be quite contradictory. It would be more than a little puzzling...
So I s'pose it would be bittersweet for me and a bit strange.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I think it would be the toughest ticket for the republicans to beat.
The numbers are in his favor now, but I think Joe Biden would be a great choice. I've always been a fan of his.
I'm a big fan of Joe Biden. For the little time he had to speak in the debates this year, he said the most.
"Music, for me, was fucking heroin." eV (nothing Ed has said is more true for me personally than this quote)
I would first be completely shocked. Then I would be happy that now Matt Gonzalez was getting the kind of press and exposure he deserves. Then I would feel bad that I couldn't vote for him because of all the things Obama has done that I can't excuse, rationalize or justify not to mention that his platform is nothing to be excited about...the just the opposite. Then I would wonder how Matt could have even considered taking the offer seeing as how the things these two guys are working towards seem to be quite contradictory. It would be more than a little puzzling...
So I s'pose it would be bittersweet for me and a bit strange.
But wouldn't Gonzalez as VP give him a chance to put forth some of his agenda? Which I think would be good if you were a supporter of his.
I would first be completely shocked. Then I would be happy that now Matt Gonzalez was getting the kind of press and exposure he deserves. Then I would feel bad that I couldn't vote for him because of all the things Obama has done that I can't excuse, rationalize or justify not to mention that his platform is nothing to be excited about...the just the opposite. Then I would wonder how Matt could have even considered taking the offer seeing as how the things these two guys are working towards seem to be quite contradictory. It would be more than a little puzzling...
So I s'pose it would be bittersweet for me and a bit strange.
So you couldn't vote for you're boy knowing full well that he stands no chance ever to hold that kind of position? Seems to me that you'd be excited he'd be in the limelight (for once) and at the worst have him run post-Obama (baby steps, remember?).
We've had the discussion before about the idea of not voting and non-effectively "sticking it to the man", but even if you guy is picked you'd still stick to your guns?
"All the things Obama has done and you can't excuse"? Don't most of your threads talk about Obama and his inexperience and conspiracy theories from some non-nonsensical webpage? I kid of course. :P
Do I think Obama is perfect? Absolutely not! Do I think he's better than what we've seen in a while? Absolutely!
Something is better than nothing, and I believe good things stem from themselves even if the roots aren't perfect.
but i didn't ask you to back biden up, please reread my single sentence
'well, if someone's gonna make a statement maybe they should back it up?'
which was referring to bootsygraham saying he made wise and intelligent decisions
Good grief. Then why did u quote me if u were referring to Bootsy? That's kind of a roundabout way to get an answer from him/her. If you want I can PM Bootsy or perhaps pass him a note in class that you wanna ask him a question.
So you couldn't vote for you're boy knowing full well that he stands no chance ever to hold that kind of position? Seems to me that you'd be excited he'd be in the limelight (for once) and at the worst have him run post-Obama (baby steps, remember?).
Well let's be honest...your hypothetical would never happen. The things Gonzalez is against are exactly what Obama is for. And frankly, I tire from this 'baby step' argument seeing as how it usually means no steps...just more of the same. That's what I see in Obama...if you don't then fine. I think this baby step argument keeps people stalled from demanding more and believing we have the power to elect a government that we actually want and not one that we are settling for just because it's a D and not a R...either way we keep getting the short end of the stick.
We totally have the power as citizens of this country to say 'ENOUGH! We aren't voting for you guys anymore...you don't deserve our support.' Then we can easily proceed to vote for people who deserve it...people that aren't baby-no-steps but rather people we can be proud to see in office representing us. We can all vote for whomever we choose to. The Democrats and Republicans are NOT OWED OUR VOTES! It's as simple as voting for what you think is best.
We've had the discussion before about the idea of not voting and non-effectively "sticking it to the man", but even if you guy is picked you'd still stick to your guns?
As I've said, nothing Matt stands for would be allowed to happen in an Obama whitehouse.
"All the things Obama has done and you can't excuse"? Don't most of your threads talk about Obama and his inexperience and conspiracy theories from some non-nonsensical webpage? I kid of course. :P
I was fixing to drop a ton of links on your ass! LOL
Do I think Obama is perfect? Absolutely not! Do I think he's better than what we've seen in a while? Absolutely!
Something is better than nothing, and I believe good things stem from themselves even if the roots aren't perfect.
It's not about someone being perfect. I don't need perfect and Nader isn't perfect, either. I don't understand why the 'perfect' argument is always dropped. I haven't seen anyone say they need a candidate to be perfect. I simply want the person I support and vote for to represent my beliefs and ideals....Obama doesn't come close.
What makes Obama better than what we've seen in a while? better than Kerry? better than Bill Clinton or Hilary for that matter? I'm not seeing it.
I see Obama as getting nothing new. I want our country to quit relying and trusting in these 2 parties that have proven themselves to be corrupt, ineffectual and flat out liars time and time again. Why do we feel obligated to vote for them? Why do we let other people tell us what is and isn't possible? Why do we act so powerless to change it when we aren't?
They are not doing their job and we are the ones who have to pay for it. That's not something...it's nothing but problems. This country has been stuck in a perpetual state of 'digging itself out of the holes we dig oursleves into' for as long as I can remember. When do we finally get to do better?
The way I see it...I'm voting for something...something new and better. I'll simply continue to say what I have been and keep up the hope that some day soon the rest of the country gets fed up enough to fire these phoney public servants and start giving some other parties and people a chance, ones that better represent what we actually want like UHC, a less bloated defense budget, a serious stance on the environment and alternative energies, a new foreign policy that doesn't believe in pre-emptively attacking other countries when they feel like it, not having our politicians bought by the banking/financial sector....etc. I'm voting for what I want to see....that's what your vote it supposed to do. It's your vote! Let it express what your thoughts on these matters without worrying about what others are going to do....you can't reply on the media to lead you in a direction that would actually change things, not when they are bought by the same corporations that have also bought our gov't. Of course they are going to tell you what isn't possible/ viable/ long shot/unelectable.....why don't we decide for ourselves?
Oh yeah, what did you like about Joe Biden again? I still don't remember seeing anything about him that explains his greatness.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Good grief. Then why did u quote me if u were referring to Bootsy? That's kind of a roundabout way to get an answer from him/her. If you want I can PM Bootsy or perhaps pass him a note in class that you wanna ask him a question.
Because you were the one who brought up the idea of looking it up on google, which isn't going to tell me why someone on this board thinks Joe Biden is great.
Searching on google for 'why does Bootsy like Joe Biden?' is kinda dumb. So the idea in your post was what he wanted to address....it doesn't matter who you were quoting, it was an illogical thing to say thus the reply you got.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Because you were the one who brought up the idea of looking it up on google, which isn't going to tell me why someone on this board thinks Joe Biden is great.
Searching on google for 'why does Bootsy like Joe Biden?' is kinda dumb. So the idea in your post was what he wanted to address....it doesn't matter who you were quoting, it was an illogical thing to say thus the reply you got.
Edit ---> I already explained this to El Kabong. I thought he was answering my post to him, forgetting you answer posts directed to him as well. Sorry.
Hey Abook -- why do you answer questions directed specifically at El Kabong? Can you just not help it or something? I'm not talking about discussing a subject simultaneously, I'm talking about literally answering questions for him, directed at him. You do it fairly often.
Hey Abook -- why do you answer questions directed specifically at El Kabong? Can you just not help it or something? I'm not talking about discussing a subject simultaneously, I'm talking about literally answering questions for him, directed at him. You do it fairly often.
Because I was logged in and could easily address your post. I'll also do this when he leaves for work...if I know the answer to a question posed to him then I'll answer. I mean why not if he's not at a computer and I know his thoughts on the matter? Why would there be a problem with it is what I don't get? And I also I disagree with your assessment that I do it fairly often...I do it every now and again would be much more accurate.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Edit ---> I already explained this to El Kabong. I thought he was answering my post to him, forgetting you answer posts directed to him as well. Sorry.
I read that post and still thought your reply needed to be addressed regardless of whom you quoted.
It was a silly reply that made no sense....so I said so. I don't care who you were talking to...I still posted my thoughts on it.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Because I was logged in and could easily address your post. I'll also do this when he leaves for work...if I know the answer to a question posed to him then I'll answer. I mean why not if he's not at a computer and I know his thoughts on the matter? Why would there be a problem with it is what I don't get? And I also I disagree with your assessment that I do it fairly often...I do it every now and again would be much more accurate.
I can see where no one would find this strange at all. hee hee.
I can see where no one would find this strange at all. hee hee.
Why is it so strange? Do enlighten me. I don't get how answering a question I know the answer to when someone else can't at the moment is so mind blowing to you.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Oh yeah, what did you like about Joe Biden again? I still don't remember seeing anything about him that explains his greatness.
Did you get a chance to look at his voting record?
I mean, how do you define a politician's "greatness"?
What I like about him is his realistic approach to the mess in Iraq/Iran/the Middle East (and his overall views and experience in foreign relations), his past and current views on environmental issues, gun control, education, etc.
What I like about him IMO he is more "realistic" and practical on his approach to issues. He might not be as dare I say it "liberal" as I'd like him to be on some issues...but that could actually be a good thing.
I think it would be the toughest ticket for the republicans to beat.
The numbers are in his favor now, but I think Joe Biden would be a great choice. I've always been a fan of his.
I've been saying this for months. haven't hopped on the train in a while, but this thread pulled me back in. at least for a minute.
obama-biden 2008!
"Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
Hey Abook -- why do you answer questions directed specifically at El Kabong? Can you just not help it or something? I'm not talking about discussing a subject simultaneously, I'm talking about literally answering questions for him, directed at him. You do it fairly often.
"Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
I mean, how do you define a politician's "greatness"?
It's subjective. What I view as great about someone, you might not. I kept seeing a lot of people say he is great but I didn't see any reasons given as to why they thought so.
What I like about him is his realistic approach to the mess in Iraq/Iran/the Middle East (and his overall views and experience in foreign relations), his past and current views on environmental issues, gun control, education, etc.
What I like about him IMO he is more "realistic" and practical on his approach to issues. He might not be as dare I say it "liberal" as I'd like him to be on some issues...but that could actually be a good thing.
How is his approach a 'realistic one? This sounds kinda vague. What has he said or did that makes his approach realistic to you?
And you say that it could be a good thing that he leans more right than what you would like him to be??? So you're saying that you don't want him to effect policy in ways that better reflect your own views but rather you want him to simply win whether or not he is the type of politician that will push for things you'd like to see happen in the whitehouse.
What if too many people are doing just what you are then? Supporting a guy they think everyone else will go far and ignoring what they really would like to see in a politician? The people's stances on the issues have been consistently polling to the left of our elected officials(which are pandering to special interests). So it seems like we all are sacrificing what we'd really like to see happen and settling for mediocre because we all seem to feel that the only electable choice.....and it's not. We can vote for whom ever we choose. That's democracy. And media is fooling people out of realizing this by telling everyone what choices are suitable.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Sure, I've seen it but that doesn't tell me what you like about it.
It's subjective. What I view as great about someone, you might not. I kept seeing a lot of people say he is great but I didn't see any reasons given as to why they thought so.
How is his approach a 'realistic one? This sounds kinda vague. What has he said or did that makes his approach realistic to you?
And you say that it could be a good thing that he leans more right than what you would like him to be??? So you're saying that you don't want him to effect policy in ways that better reflect your own views but rather you want him to simply win whether or not he is the type of politician that will push for things you'd like to see happen in the whitehouse.
What if too many people are doing just what you are then? Supporting a guy they think everyone else will go far and ignoring what they really would like to see in a politician? The people's stances on the issues have been consistently polling to the left of our elected officials(which are pandering to special interests). So it seems like we all are sacrificing what we'd really like to see happen and settling for mediocre because we all seem to feel that the only electable choice.....and it's not. We can vote for whom ever we choose. That's democracy. And media is fooling people out of realizing this by telling everyone what choices are suitable.
"How is his approach a 'realistic one? This sounds kinda vague. What has he said or did that makes his approach realistic to you?"
He's the only one who has basically put it all on the table. He's said exactly what he wants and should be done in that region.
I, unlike yourself and others, believe that pulling everyone out of Iraq all at once and instantly is a bad idea.
"And you say that it could be a good thing that he leans more right than what you would like him to be??? So you're saying that you don't want him to effect policy in ways that better reflect your own views but rather you want him to simply win whether or not he is the type of politician that will push for things you'd like to see happen in the whitehouse."
I admit, I consider myself to be quite liberal. There are certain issues I tend to lean more right on but for the most part I'm left of center on most issues.
Is it not possible to realize that someone's views other than my own might benefit the greater whole more than just myself? I can sit here and talk about an ideal world from my perspective, but is that really the best way to see it? I think anyone who has views on either extreme of the political spectrum can be scary. Biden, IMO is liberal but also has some more centrist views (like myself), and if some of those are more right than mine that's fine because when I look at him I can see how I would selfishly benefit (as we have similar views) but I can also see how others would benefit from his more centrist views.
"What if too many people are doing just what you are then? Supporting a guy they think everyone else will go far and ignoring what they really would like to see in a politician? "
Well, that's not the case. I like what I see in Biden...well I mentioned it above...
I think it would be the toughest ticket for the republicans to beat.
The numbers are in his favor now, but I think Joe Biden would be a great choice. I've always been a fan of his.
I like Biden too
I would have voted for him if he hadnt dropped out
"How is his approach a 'realistic one? This sounds kinda vague. What has he said or did that makes his approach realistic to you?"
He's the only one who has basically put it all on the table. He's said exactly what he wants and should be done in that region.
I, unlike yourself and others, believe that pulling everyone out of Iraq all at once and instantly is a bad idea.
"And you say that it could be a good thing that he leans more right than what you would like him to be??? So you're saying that you don't want him to effect policy in ways that better reflect your own views but rather you want him to simply win whether or not he is the type of politician that will push for things you'd like to see happen in the whitehouse."
I admit, I consider myself to be quite liberal. There are certain issues I tend to lean more right on but for the most part I'm left of center on most issues.
Is it not possible to realize that someone's views other than my own might benefit the greater whole more than just myself? I can sit here and talk about an ideal world from my perspective, but is that really the best way to see it? I think anyone who has views on either extreme of the political spectrum can be scary. Biden, IMO is liberal but also has some more centrist views (like myself), and if some of those are more right than mine that's fine because when I look at him I can see how I would selfishly benefit (as we have similar views) but I can also see how others would benefit from his more centrist views.
"What if too many people are doing just what you are then? Supporting a guy they think everyone else will go far and ignoring what they really would like to see in a politician? "
Well, that's not the case. I like what I see in Biden...well I mentioned it above...
My views are based on what I think is best for everyone as a whole or else I wouldn't have them.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
This thread is a joke. A person states they like Joe Biden and all of a sudden you got Abook and the bonger givin' 'em the old one two about "what do you like about him, blah, blah, you can't be specific, blah, blah", knowing damn well whatever the poster responds with won't be good enough. Why does it matter anyway? I've got a suggestion. How about you go out and cast your "i'm like really, really cool, and like, all alternative and stuff so i suppoort Ralph Nader" vote, let everyone else make up their own mind, for whatever reason they see fit, and let it be. For two people who constantly accuse people of telling them who to vote for, Abook and the bonger are the worst at doing just that! Vote for who you want. Let everyone else do the same.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
This thread is a joke. A person states they like Joe Biden and all of a sudden you got Abook and the bonger givin' 'em the old one two about "what do you like about him, blah, blah, you can't be specific, blah, blah", knowing damn well whatever the poster responds with won't be good enough. Why does it matter anyway? I've got a suggestion. How about you go out and cast your "i'm like really, really cool, and like, all alternative and stuff so i suppoort Ralph Nader" vote, let everyone else make up their own mind, for whatever reason they see fit, and let it be. For two people who constantly accuse people of telling them who to vote for, Abook and the bonger are the worst at doing just that! Vote for who you want. Let everyone else do the same.
This board is for discussion/debate. It's not like you don't ask people to back up what they are saying when you disagree with them or when you want more clarification. yourself....you get in heated arguments all the time over someone's opinion. This board has never been about everyone agreeing or just ignoring people we don't agree with...so you Obama supporters that think the board dynamics suddenly changed when you don't want to be asked questions is pretty laughable.
If they don't want to say why they like Biden, then they are free to say just that or not even reply to my question. It might appear that they don't have a good reason to others but that's on them. I can't force them to answer anything. All I can do is ask the questions that I'm curious about...is that okay with you, cornnifer? Does that fit into your view of how the board is supposed to be?
I want to further the political discourse we are currently used to....I see faaaaar too many people say they support someone and never have a clue as to why really. This is not good for our democracy.....we NEED informed voters who are aware of the kind of person/issues they are voting for. So I will continue to ask these kinds of questions as long as I continue to see people saying how great someone is without even telling us why. We desperately need to start having these discussions. mca47 answered me and though I may disagree with his position at least he bothered to explain it...that is all I'm looking for....for people to have some kind of rational points behind their support for these candidates.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
telling them who to vote for, Abook and the bonger are the worst at doing just that! Vote for who you want. Let everyone else do the same.
examples, please?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
This thread is a joke. A person states they like Joe Biden and all of a sudden you got Abook and the bonger givin' 'em the old one two about "what do you like about him, blah, blah, you can't be specific, blah, blah", knowing damn well whatever the poster responds with won't be good enough. Why does it matter anyway? I've got a suggestion. How about you go out and cast your "i'm like really, really cool, and like, all alternative and stuff so i suppoort Ralph Nader" vote, let everyone else make up their own mind, for whatever reason they see fit, and let it be. For two people who constantly accuse people of telling them who to vote for, Abook and the bonger are the worst at doing just that! Vote for who you want. Let everyone else do the same.
yep, what he said.
"Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
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I thought of you as more of the 'rather not be a politician types'
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
How would you feel if Obama picked Matt Gonzalez?
I would first be completely shocked. Then I would be happy that now Matt Gonzalez was getting the kind of press and exposure he deserves. Then I would feel bad that I couldn't vote for him because of all the things Obama has done that I can't excuse, rationalize or justify not to mention that his platform is nothing to be excited about...the just the opposite. Then I would wonder how Matt could have even considered taking the offer seeing as how the things these two guys are working towards seem to be quite contradictory. It would be more than a little puzzling...
So I s'pose it would be bittersweet for me and a bit strange.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I'm a big fan of Joe Biden. For the little time he had to speak in the debates this year, he said the most.
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But wouldn't Gonzalez as VP give him a chance to put forth some of his agenda? Which I think would be good if you were a supporter of his.
So you couldn't vote for you're boy knowing full well that he stands no chance ever to hold that kind of position? Seems to me that you'd be excited he'd be in the limelight (for once) and at the worst have him run post-Obama (baby steps, remember?).
We've had the discussion before about the idea of not voting and non-effectively "sticking it to the man", but even if you guy is picked you'd still stick to your guns?
"All the things Obama has done and you can't excuse"? Don't most of your threads talk about Obama and his inexperience and conspiracy theories from some non-nonsensical webpage? I kid of course. :P
Do I think Obama is perfect? Absolutely not! Do I think he's better than what we've seen in a while? Absolutely!
Something is better than nothing, and I believe good things stem from themselves even if the roots aren't perfect.
Good grief. Then why did u quote me if u were referring to Bootsy? That's kind of a roundabout way to get an answer from him/her. If you want I can PM Bootsy or perhaps pass him a note in class that you wanna ask him a question.
Well let's be honest...your hypothetical would never happen. The things Gonzalez is against are exactly what Obama is for. And frankly, I tire from this 'baby step' argument seeing as how it usually means no steps...just more of the same. That's what I see in Obama...if you don't then fine. I think this baby step argument keeps people stalled from demanding more and believing we have the power to elect a government that we actually want and not one that we are settling for just because it's a D and not a R...either way we keep getting the short end of the stick.
We totally have the power as citizens of this country to say 'ENOUGH! We aren't voting for you guys anymore...you don't deserve our support.' Then we can easily proceed to vote for people who deserve it...people that aren't baby-no-steps but rather people we can be proud to see in office representing us. We can all vote for whomever we choose to. The Democrats and Republicans are NOT OWED OUR VOTES! It's as simple as voting for what you think is best.
As I've said, nothing Matt stands for would be allowed to happen in an Obama whitehouse.
It's not about someone being perfect. I don't need perfect and Nader isn't perfect, either. I don't understand why the 'perfect' argument is always dropped. I haven't seen anyone say they need a candidate to be perfect. I simply want the person I support and vote for to represent my beliefs and ideals....Obama doesn't come close.
What makes Obama better than what we've seen in a while? better than Kerry? better than Bill Clinton or Hilary for that matter? I'm not seeing it.
I see Obama as getting nothing new. I want our country to quit relying and trusting in these 2 parties that have proven themselves to be corrupt, ineffectual and flat out liars time and time again. Why do we feel obligated to vote for them? Why do we let other people tell us what is and isn't possible? Why do we act so powerless to change it when we aren't?
They are not doing their job and we are the ones who have to pay for it. That's not something...it's nothing but problems. This country has been stuck in a perpetual state of 'digging itself out of the holes we dig oursleves into' for as long as I can remember. When do we finally get to do better?
The way I see it...I'm voting for something...something new and better. I'll simply continue to say what I have been and keep up the hope that some day soon the rest of the country gets fed up enough to fire these phoney public servants and start giving some other parties and people a chance, ones that better represent what we actually want like UHC, a less bloated defense budget, a serious stance on the environment and alternative energies, a new foreign policy that doesn't believe in pre-emptively attacking other countries when they feel like it, not having our politicians bought by the banking/financial sector....etc. I'm voting for what I want to see....that's what your vote it supposed to do. It's your vote! Let it express what your thoughts on these matters without worrying about what others are going to do....you can't reply on the media to lead you in a direction that would actually change things, not when they are bought by the same corporations that have also bought our gov't. Of course they are going to tell you what isn't possible/ viable/ long shot/unelectable.....why don't we decide for ourselves?
Oh yeah, what did you like about Joe Biden again? I still don't remember seeing anything about him that explains his greatness.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Because you were the one who brought up the idea of looking it up on google, which isn't going to tell me why someone on this board thinks Joe Biden is great.
Searching on google for 'why does Bootsy like Joe Biden?' is kinda dumb. So the idea in your post was what he wanted to address....it doesn't matter who you were quoting, it was an illogical thing to say thus the reply you got.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I already explained this to you.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5622859&postcount=22
Edit ---> I already explained this to El Kabong. I thought he was answering my post to him, forgetting you answer posts directed to him as well. Sorry.
Because I was logged in and could easily address your post. I'll also do this when he leaves for work...if I know the answer to a question posed to him then I'll answer. I mean why not if he's not at a computer and I know his thoughts on the matter? Why would there be a problem with it is what I don't get? And I also I disagree with your assessment that I do it fairly often...I do it every now and again would be much more accurate.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I read that post and still thought your reply needed to be addressed regardless of whom you quoted.
It was a silly reply that made no sense....so I said so. I don't care who you were talking to...I still posted my thoughts on it.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I can see where no one would find this strange at all. hee hee.
Why is it so strange? Do enlighten me. I don't get how answering a question I know the answer to when someone else can't at the moment is so mind blowing to you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Did you get a chance to look at his voting record?
I mean, how do you define a politician's "greatness"?
What I like about him is his realistic approach to the mess in Iraq/Iran/the Middle East (and his overall views and experience in foreign relations), his past and current views on environmental issues, gun control, education, etc.
What I like about him IMO he is more "realistic" and practical on his approach to issues. He might not be as dare I say it "liberal" as I'd like him to be on some issues...but that could actually be a good thing.
I've been saying this for months. haven't hopped on the train in a while, but this thread pulled me back in. at least for a minute.
obama-biden 2008!
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
Sure, I've seen it but that doesn't tell me what you like about it.
It's subjective. What I view as great about someone, you might not. I kept seeing a lot of people say he is great but I didn't see any reasons given as to why they thought so.
How is his approach a 'realistic one? This sounds kinda vague. What has he said or did that makes his approach realistic to you?
And you say that it could be a good thing that he leans more right than what you would like him to be??? So you're saying that you don't want him to effect policy in ways that better reflect your own views but rather you want him to simply win whether or not he is the type of politician that will push for things you'd like to see happen in the whitehouse.
What if too many people are doing just what you are then? Supporting a guy they think everyone else will go far and ignoring what they really would like to see in a politician? The people's stances on the issues have been consistently polling to the left of our elected officials(which are pandering to special interests). So it seems like we all are sacrificing what we'd really like to see happen and settling for mediocre because we all seem to feel that the only electable choice.....and it's not. We can vote for whom ever we choose. That's democracy. And media is fooling people out of realizing this by telling everyone what choices are suitable.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
"How is his approach a 'realistic one? This sounds kinda vague. What has he said or did that makes his approach realistic to you?"
He's the only one who has basically put it all on the table. He's said exactly what he wants and should be done in that region.
I, unlike yourself and others, believe that pulling everyone out of Iraq all at once and instantly is a bad idea.
"And you say that it could be a good thing that he leans more right than what you would like him to be??? So you're saying that you don't want him to effect policy in ways that better reflect your own views but rather you want him to simply win whether or not he is the type of politician that will push for things you'd like to see happen in the whitehouse."
I admit, I consider myself to be quite liberal. There are certain issues I tend to lean more right on but for the most part I'm left of center on most issues.
Is it not possible to realize that someone's views other than my own might benefit the greater whole more than just myself? I can sit here and talk about an ideal world from my perspective, but is that really the best way to see it? I think anyone who has views on either extreme of the political spectrum can be scary. Biden, IMO is liberal but also has some more centrist views (like myself), and if some of those are more right than mine that's fine because when I look at him I can see how I would selfishly benefit (as we have similar views) but I can also see how others would benefit from his more centrist views.
"What if too many people are doing just what you are then? Supporting a guy they think everyone else will go far and ignoring what they really would like to see in a politician? "
Well, that's not the case. I like what I see in Biden...well I mentioned it above...
I like Biden too
I would have voted for him if he hadnt dropped out
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My views are based on what I think is best for everyone as a whole or else I wouldn't have them.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Awesome. We agree on something!
LOL
So are mine. So are a lot of other people's who no doubt disagree with both of us. That's the rub. Many people, many views about what is best.
This board is for discussion/debate. It's not like you don't ask people to back up what they are saying when you disagree with them or when you want more clarification. yourself....you get in heated arguments all the time over someone's opinion. This board has never been about everyone agreeing or just ignoring people we don't agree with...so you Obama supporters that think the board dynamics suddenly changed when you don't want to be asked questions is pretty laughable.
If they don't want to say why they like Biden, then they are free to say just that or not even reply to my question. It might appear that they don't have a good reason to others but that's on them. I can't force them to answer anything. All I can do is ask the questions that I'm curious about...is that okay with you, cornnifer? Does that fit into your view of how the board is supposed to be?
I want to further the political discourse we are currently used to....I see faaaaar too many people say they support someone and never have a clue as to why really. This is not good for our democracy.....we NEED informed voters who are aware of the kind of person/issues they are voting for. So I will continue to ask these kinds of questions as long as I continue to see people saying how great someone is without even telling us why. We desperately need to start having these discussions. mca47 answered me and though I may disagree with his position at least he bothered to explain it...that is all I'm looking for....for people to have some kind of rational points behind their support for these candidates.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
and? what am I supposed to do? vote for someone else's views and not my own? that makes no sense
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
examples, please?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Joe Biden is from motherfucking DELAWARE... so we know he is the shit
what else do you really need to know?
yep, what he said.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7