Obama's speech in Berlin

bootlegger10

cornnifer wrote:

Its called being presidential. i know its been awhile, and many people have forgotten what a leader looks like...

This Obama love affair with himself is starting to get scary. I do not know that I've seen someone so enthralled with themself. Standing up for the common man? Yeah right. Obama is and has only been about one thing....becoming President Obama.

cornnifer

bootlegger10 wrote:

This Obama love affair with himself is starting to get scary. I do not know that I've seen someone so enthralled with themself. Standing up for the common man? Yeah right. Obama is and has only been about one thing....becoming President Obama.

I should finish my earlier sentence since the point may have been lost.

I know its been awhile and alot of people have forgotten what a leader looks like, so when they see one, they call that leader narcissistic and "enthralled with themself".

mca47

cornnifer wrote:

I should finish my earlier sentence since the point may have been lost.

I know its been awhile and alot of people have forgotten what a leader looks like, so when they see one, they call that leader narcissistic and "enthralled with themself".

People said the same thing about Clinton, and while not perfect he was by far not the worst president ever.
If Obama scares people they must have just gotten out of their basement or shelter because every second Bush was in office was scarier that anything Obama has ever said.

cornnifer

mca47 wrote:

If Obama scares people they must have just gotten out of their basement or shelter because every second Bush was in office was scarier that anything Obama has ever said.

It all depends on who you're scaring. Many of the people scared by Obama SHOULD be, and thats not such a bad thing.


And then you have those that just have no idea what their talking about.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

blackredyellow wrote:

You can say that again... I think some toddler has borrowed Roland's computer.

Change you can believe in 08!

yeap...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mca47 wrote:

What's even more sad is that you posted it with a serious intent.

It stated factual information. Sorry you're not hearing that your lord and Saviour is not as perfect as you want him to be.

He'll tell you what you want to hear so you'll vote for him though.

just block the yucky stuff out....you'll be fine.

LikeAnOcean

bootlegger10 wrote:

From the tone of his speech it sounds like he wants to move toward a one-world government. Scary.

you mean, how the U.S. government operates already??? Oh, snap! :eek:

We are going to govern Iran next, right?.. and then hopefully North Korea and China..

nobody

bootlegger10 wrote:

From the tone of his speech it sounds like he wants to move toward a one-world government. Scary.

america can't solve the world's problems and her own all by herself and obama wants to work with other countries to find common solutions -> one world government??? ???
if that's what you think a one world government is, well, I can't wait to have one!
[scary must be like the most frequently used adverb in this place...everything's so scary...]

m.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

I just wish people would look into the history of their own government and get up to speed on what is going on in the world before putting a halo on Obama's head.

It's really kind of disappointing and unfortunate to watch people bump around in the dark thinking they can see clearly.

angelm20

nobody wrote:

america can't solve the world's problems and her own all by herself and obama wants to work with other countries to find common solutions -> one world government??? ???
if that's what you think a one world government is, well, I can't wait to have one!
[scary must be like the most frequently used adverb in this place...everything's so scary...]

m.

Whats really scary is McCain!
Obama seemed very comfortable, right at home, on his lil tour. I thought his speech was very well done. He is our best choice~ in my eyes~ he's our only hope! I believe he is indeed capable of restoring our image and economy. It is a mess that we can not clean up over night~ though he is showing the world that he's ready, willing, and able. One world~ one Love~ lets get together and fe~el al~right~ sorry~ had that song in my head for some reason???

cincybearcat

Why is Obama on this tour anyhow?

I fit's to get world approval for his election, I'm less likely to vote for him.

blackredyellow

cincybearcat wrote:

Why is Obama on this tour anyhow?

I fit's to get world approval for his election, I'm less likely to vote for him.

Forget about Obama in this case, I'm just curious as to why trying to get world approval would make you less likely to vote for a candidate?

RainDog

cincybearcat wrote:

Why is Obama on this tour anyhow?

I fit's to get world approval for his election, I'm less likely to vote for him.

He doesn't really need to earn world approval for his election; he's already got that.

I think it's more to counter the inexperienced and unknowegable charge that's been hounding him for a while now. John McCain's perceived strong suit is foreign policy (i.e. war and strength), and, while Obama will never overtake him on that, he's trying to knock him down a few notches.

The Germany stop is making the news right now because of the huge turnout for his appearance. But I believe the primary reasons for the trip were his Middle East stops - and those are definitely areas that have an impact in this election.

cincybearcat

blackredyellow wrote:

Forget about Obama in this case, I'm just curious as to why trying to get world approval would make you less likely to vote for a candidate?

I'm not a fan at this kind of pandering...I don't care what the Germans think of Obama, McCain, or anyone for that matter, I'll vote for who I think will make the best US president. I think it is an attempt to give other countries influence in who US citizens elect as their president.

I would expect nothing less from the Germans, French, etc. I bet they don't care what Americans think of whoever they might vote for.

I know what your are getting at, certainly the US president should be abel to work with other coutnries and have their respect, but this is an obvious attempt by Obama's campaign to say "Hey, look, I'm almost as big in Germany as David Hasslehoff!!!!...vote for me, because the Germans like me".

cincybearcat

RainDog wrote:

He doesn't really need to earn world approval for his election; he's already got that.

I think it's more to counter the inexperienced and unknowegable charge that's been hounding him for a while now. John McCain's perceived strong suit is foreign policy (i.e. war and strength), and, while Obama will never overtake him on that, he's trying to knock him down a few notches.

The Germany stop is making the news right now because of the huge turnout for his appearance. But I believe the primary reasons for the trip were his Middle East stops - and those are definitely areas that have an impact in this election.

I agree he doesn;t need world approval for the election...but not because he already has it, it's because the world doesn't get a vote for who is the US president.

Anyhow, you could be right abotu the reasons for this trip...it just seems pandering and pompous...did I spell that right?

FiveB247x

Not that I like Obama or something, but this "tour" is a great idea for him. It shows americans that if he were president, he'd have good relations in the world to accomplishing things - ie repairing our poor status in many places. Obviously, most of this is done in places our standing isn't that awful, but realistically, it's a nice piece of public relations. Compared to McCain who just will just be at home and say x,y and z and more standard policies and generic reactions to things.

fuck

Obama's a good speaker, I'll give him that.

Now if only what he SAID wasn't such a problem.

angelm19 wrote:

It is a mess that we can not clean up over night~ though he is showing the world that he's ready, willing, and able.

how so?

Thecure

i understand that he went there to make it look like he can work with other countries but since when the president of a country talk to other country's citizens. it doesn't show him to be presidentual, it shows him to be a rock star. on top of all of that the speech as usual lately said nothing about what he would do. hell he copied some parts of specches that Reagan gave and also JFK. yet agian, what a change.

RainDog

Thecure wrote:

i understand that he went there to make it look like he can work with other countries but since when the president of a country talk to other country's citizens.

Regardless of the point of the post, there seems to be a logical disconnect between the above sentence and the one below:

Thecure wrote:

hell he copied some parts of specches that Reagan gave and also JFK. yet agian, what a change.

Or is it just me?

Thecure

RainDog wrote:

Regardless of the point of the post, there seems to be a logical disconnect between the above sentence and the one below:


Or is it just me?

i can see how you see the disconnect, but i will try to elborate. he goes there not as a person running for president (BULLSHIT) but as a citizen of the world (BULLSHIT). people are saying here that he is going there to look like a president (I can understand that) but he goes there and gives a speech to people not in the government but just to the citizens. how is that looking like a president. if he wanted to look like a president he would say in his speech what he plans to do. i believe that this makes him look less than a president and more like a rock star. if i go to a Pearl Jam concert and i hear Eddie making speeches about politics i don't expect him to give me a detail answer to what he would do to change the situation. why becuase eddie is a rock star (very smart) not a person running to lead the USA.