Considering Gore couldn't even carry his home state of Tennessee and was the first major party candidate since McGovern in 72 to not win his home state, why would he win now?
I mean if he just would have won Tennessee, Florida wouldn't have even mattered, but most people forget about that.
Maybe it has something to do with the fact Tenn is a very conservative state and he's a liberal.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
1. WMD was not the sole reason for removing Saddam. Many tons of remnants have been found. As for a working WMD, no, none have been found, reguardless of the fact we have direct evidence he had been using them on his own people.
Yes, but we were told that it was direct threat. That that was the reason we were going in. Even with that reason I wasn't a fan of premeditated striking.
2. Would people be dying if we wouldn't have gone in? 300,000 dead Iraqi's think so. That's just the one's we know about.
300,000 from Saddam? Well since our invasion I believe the U.N. report has something like 30,000 and that is estimated low, so we could eclipse that mark depending on how long everything takes.
3. Speaking of invading other countries. It's believed that roughly 1.5 million Iraqis died as a direct result of the sanctions Saddam imposed on himself after the invasion of Kuwait. See #2
I do not disagree with you about Saddam's autrocities. However back to the Gore point, which we started on, we are in a big mess now. Would you agree? I do not know where would we be if Gore was president, how we would have reacted if 9/11 occurred during his presidency. Its interesting to think about because IMO we are in a bad spot in Iraq and with world relations and credibility.
"She knows there is no success like failure
And that failure's no success at all."
"Don't ya think its sometimes wise not to grow up."
"Cause life ain't nothing but a good groove
A good mixed tape to put you in the right mood."
Maybe it has something to do with the fact Tenn is a very conservative state and he's a liberal.
Well Tenn went Dem in 92 and 96 when he was a VP candidate. Wouldn't you expect the state to stay Democratic when it's own Senator was actually running for the big prize?
Well Tenn went Dem in 92 and 96 when he was a VP candidate. Wouldn't you expect the state to stay Democratic when it's own Senator was actually running for the big prize?
The religious south was pretty upset about the Clinton admin sex scandals. That's was the Reps ran on, too. 'Bringing honest and integrity back to the Whitehouse'.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I do not disagree with you about Saddam's autrocities. However back to the Gore point, which we started on, we are in a big mess now. Would you agree? I do not know where would we be if Gore was president, how we would have reacted if 9/11 occurred during his presidency. Its interesting to think about because IMO we are in a bad spot in Iraq and with world relations and credibility.
I do not believe we planned for post war Iraq well at all. Do I think we're in a mess? No, not exactly. I believe we to be in a 'Battle for Baghdad' scenerio of sorts; as that is where a majority of the violence in the country is taking place. The folks in northern and southern Iraq would hardly be attuned to the idea of a civil war. Unfortunately, Powell wasn't available to run this war. If he would have been I believe we would be in a much better situation today given the tactics and strategies he commanded by. But, hindsight is 20/20 as the Democratic party is fully aware of. If allowed to, I believe the military will finish it's job in Iraq and return home successful.
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
The religious south was pretty upset about the Clinton admin sex scandals. That's was the Reps ran on, too. 'Bringing honest and integrity back to the Whitehouse'.
Maybe you're right, but you'd think that having Al Gore or his father Al Sr. either in the House, Senate or VP every year except for 6 from 1939 to 2000 (Al Sr. was in the House or Senate from 1939-1971 and Al Jr. from 1977-2000) would have outweighed the Clinton scandal and the state would have wanted to elect one of it's own to the presidency.
It's not like the state didn't know who Al Gore was and what he and Tipper stood for in terms of family value.
I really think Obama is going to go all the way, however I worry some racist, ultra-conservist will make an attempt on his life.
well, if he gets the nomination that is an issue that must be considered...but, even if he does get the nomination, the racist, closed-minded south will not elect him (and the areas of the racist, closed-minded north won't give him enough push to carry what he would need to carry to win).
Considering Gore couldn't even carry his home state of Tennessee and was the first major party candidate since McGovern in 72 to not win his home state, why would he win now?
I mean if he just would have won Tennessee, Florida wouldn't have even mattered, but most people forget about that.
it was probably hard for tennessee to identify with gore - that was something that clinton was very good at doing...endearing himself to the electorate.
1. WMD was not the sole reason for removing Saddam. Many tons of remnants have been found. As for a working WMD, no, none have been found, reguardless of the fact we have direct evidence he had been using them on his own people.
it was the reason that pushed the public into giving enough support for the war. all that talk about imminent and severe threat, how it was fact....
had been using them on his own ppl, but when was the last time our evidence shows he did that? it couldn't be while he was our buddy, could it?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Gore maintains that he is not running. I think he will. He's probably the most electable candidate the dems have at this time. My hope is that he'll pick up Obama as his veep. That would be formiddable for the Repubs at this time. If you all don't remember Bush has pretty much lost all the swing voters and I really don't see any Republican candidate winning them back any time soon. Even Giuliani (sp?) and McCain look weak compared to ol' Al right now. This is his election to lose folks. If he runs we'll all see in 2008. In the famous words of Mar'in - if you don't know you better ask somebody.
I guess it's the money and the tradition but I just don't understand this obsession with a two-party system in our country. It just doesn't seem right to me that there are only two parties that can represent all of us. I don't know if a 30-party system is the answer but I would like to think I could vote for an alternative party that had a snowball's chance to carry one state. I don't even mind the electoral college system, though I don't like the nomination process for delegates.
On a side note: Is it inconceivable to vote for a Republican candidate? There should be a pretty good split from W's crew.
"Almost all those politicians took money from Enron, and there they are holding hearings. That's like O.J. Simpson getting in the Rae Carruth jury pool." -- Charles Barkley
Gore can at least carry on a coherent intellectual conversation....looking at the last two elections, it seems that a check box indicating this preference should be included on the ballots
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I know that I actually know not much about current US politics beside of some insights we get over our television and some articles I read here...
..anyway, I saw the Oscars and there it seemed to me that Al Gore made fun out of running for president another time, but he made fun and did not take it seriously.
To sum up:
I had the impression that he defenately won't go for president again, cause he has found his role and duty in society already,
and it is a full time job already.
That's how it seemed to me,
but as I said, I do not know anything from the insight...
there is no way to peace, peace is the way!
...the world is come undone, I like to change it everyday but change don't come at once, it's a wave, building before it breaks.
To me it's obvious he will run. An Inconvenient Truth was basically a long campaign commercial. Probably will get the nomination because of the underlying fear that a woman or African American cannot win a general election. But if he faces off against Guliani he will lose because he is not charasmatic. He made George W Bush look like a cool relaxed guy and that is not an easy task. If he faces off against McCain he will probably win because the country will be bored to death by both of them and just vote Democratic as punishment to Bush. So the real test is whether or not Republicans will put up Guliani who can win but doesn't follow the party line with many issues or stay true to their core values and lose. Would love to see Guliani run independent with Obama as VP if their parties don't nominate them. Pipe dream but fun to think about a year and half before the election.
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Maybe it has something to do with the fact Tenn is a very conservative state and he's a liberal.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Yes, but we were told that it was direct threat. That that was the reason we were going in. Even with that reason I wasn't a fan of premeditated striking.
300,000 from Saddam? Well since our invasion I believe the U.N. report has something like 30,000 and that is estimated low, so we could eclipse that mark depending on how long everything takes.
I do not disagree with you about Saddam's autrocities. However back to the Gore point, which we started on, we are in a big mess now. Would you agree? I do not know where would we be if Gore was president, how we would have reacted if 9/11 occurred during his presidency. Its interesting to think about because IMO we are in a bad spot in Iraq and with world relations and credibility.
And that failure's no success at all."
"Don't ya think its sometimes wise not to grow up."
"Cause life ain't nothing but a good groove
A good mixed tape to put you in the right mood."
Well Tenn went Dem in 92 and 96 when he was a VP candidate. Wouldn't you expect the state to stay Democratic when it's own Senator was actually running for the big prize?
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
I lived for a long time in Denver near Capitol Hill. Living up in northern Colorado now. Always nice to see someone representing the Centennial state.
And that failure's no success at all."
"Don't ya think its sometimes wise not to grow up."
"Cause life ain't nothing but a good groove
A good mixed tape to put you in the right mood."
The religious south was pretty upset about the Clinton admin sex scandals. That's was the Reps ran on, too. 'Bringing honest and integrity back to the Whitehouse'.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I do not believe we planned for post war Iraq well at all. Do I think we're in a mess? No, not exactly. I believe we to be in a 'Battle for Baghdad' scenerio of sorts; as that is where a majority of the violence in the country is taking place. The folks in northern and southern Iraq would hardly be attuned to the idea of a civil war. Unfortunately, Powell wasn't available to run this war. If he would have been I believe we would be in a much better situation today given the tactics and strategies he commanded by. But, hindsight is 20/20 as the Democratic party is fully aware of. If allowed to, I believe the military will finish it's job in Iraq and return home successful.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
Maybe you're right, but you'd think that having Al Gore or his father Al Sr. either in the House, Senate or VP every year except for 6 from 1939 to 2000 (Al Sr. was in the House or Senate from 1939-1971 and Al Jr. from 1977-2000) would have outweighed the Clinton scandal and the state would have wanted to elect one of it's own to the presidency.
It's not like the state didn't know who Al Gore was and what he and Tipper stood for in terms of family value.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
well, if he gets the nomination that is an issue that must be considered...but, even if he does get the nomination, the racist, closed-minded south will not elect him (and the areas of the racist, closed-minded north won't give him enough push to carry what he would need to carry to win).
from my window to yours
it was probably hard for tennessee to identify with gore - that was something that clinton was very good at doing...endearing himself to the electorate.
from my window to yours
it was the reason that pushed the public into giving enough support for the war. all that talk about imminent and severe threat, how it was fact....
had been using them on his own ppl, but when was the last time our evidence shows he did that? it couldn't be while he was our buddy, could it?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
On a side note: Is it inconceivable to vote for a Republican candidate? There should be a pretty good split from W's crew.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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..anyway, I saw the Oscars and there it seemed to me that Al Gore made fun out of running for president another time, but he made fun and did not take it seriously.
To sum up:
I had the impression that he defenately won't go for president again, cause he has found his role and duty in society already,
and it is a full time job already.
That's how it seemed to me,
but as I said, I do not know anything from the insight...
...the world is come undone, I like to change it everyday but change don't come at once, it's a wave, building before it breaks.
but who knows if it is really true? i wonder if electric bills are public record?