masons are privledged. we control everything. we pull strings because we can. we've been around for thousands of years so get over it. dodging the draft and pulling strings is two different things.
We? You got a fucking mouse in your pocket named Masons?
Dont ever compare Vietnam to Iraq as being a fake war, people really died in both wars you dumb shit. The main difference in both wars is the DRAFT, it was employed in the 30's 40's 50's and 60's it is not employed in Iraq. The soliders fighting in Iraq enlisted, let me repeat they enlisted to serve: Honor, Corp, God Country. So don't ever denigrate Veteran's again, 18 and 19 year olds were sent halfway around the world to help fight off the Vietcong and protect the innocent, and they didn't enlist they were drafted much like Bill Clinton who chose to go off to Canada instead of defending his country which he didn't in '93 WTC 1 Saudia Arabia bombings, USS Cole, Embassy bombings in Africa, peace time death toll under Clinton 4100, peace time.
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Dont ever compare Vietnam to Iraq as being a fake war, people really died in both wars you dumb shit. The main difference in both wars is the DRAFT, it was employed in the 30's 40's 50's and 60's it is not employed in Iraq. The soliders fighting in Iraq enlisted, let me repeat they enlisted to serve: Honor, Corp, God Country. So don't ever denigrate Veteran's again, 18 and 19 year olds were sent halfway around the world to help fight off the Vietcong and protect the innocent, and they didn't enlist they were drafted much like Bill Clinton who chose to go off to Canada instead of defending his country which he didn't in '93 WTC 1 Saudia Arabia bombings, USS Cole, Embassy bombings in Africa, peace time death toll under Clinton 4100, peace time.
Give me a freakin' break... Bush and Cheney never defended their country except from behind a desk with other people's children... not when they were asked to go.
Like earlier in the thread... if you are going to blame Clinton for 9/11, then he can't be blamed for the first WTC under that logic.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Give me a freakin' break... Bush and Cheney never defended their country except from behind a desk with other people's children... not when they were asked to go.
Like earlier in the thread... if you are going to blame Clinton for 9/11, then he can't be blamed for the first WTC under that logic.
Here's an idea, how about we blame the people that flew the fucking planes into the buildings? I know it's a crazy approach, but I mean not everything is political. Clinton dropped the ball, Bush ignored some pretty solid evidence that an attack was coming.
Here's an idea, how about we blame the people that flew the fucking planes into the buildings? I know it's a crazy approach, but I mean not everything is political. Clinton dropped the ball, Bush ignored some pretty solid evidence that an attack was coming.
That's just crazy-talk... you mean blame the nutjobs who actually attacked us?!??!!? But it just has to be the fault of one of the political parties...
I agree... There are people here who blame everything that happens on Bush and people who blame everything on liberals... I don't know how they could honestly read what they write and not realize how illogical they sound.... Between threads like this and all of the conspiracy theory threads lately, I'm starting to really wonder about people in this world and how they get through everyday life.
We all have our level of bias or hypocrisy, but most of us can realize when an argument doesn't actually make sense and don't dig ourselves deeper.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Dont ever compare Vietnam to Iraq as being a fake war, people really died in both wars you dumb shit. The main difference in both wars is the DRAFT, it was employed in the 30's 40's 50's and 60's it is not employed in Iraq. The soliders fighting in Iraq enlisted, let me repeat they enlisted to serve: Honor, Corp, God Country. So don't ever denigrate Veteran's again, 18 and 19 year olds were sent halfway around the world to help fight off the Vietcong and protect the innocent, and they didn't enlist they were drafted much like Bill Clinton who chose to go off to Canada instead of defending his country which he didn't in '93 WTC 1 Saudia Arabia bombings, USS Cole, Embassy bombings in Africa, peace time death toll under Clinton 4100, peace time.
Personally I had 3 friends enlist shortly after 9/11. It was to fight Al Queda not Iraq. They all have told me that they are proud of what they accomplished but it wasn't what they signed up for. It's possible there are many more in the same boat. Of course there are some there for the purpose of Iraq, but don't assume all soldiers want to be there.
Clinton dodged the draft. So did Bush. So did Ted Nugget (I almost forgot he was the purpose of the thread. Just like Bush forgot the purpose of his war on terror.) So if draft dodgers are pussies at least Clinton is only a pussy and not a hypocrate as well.
BTW Clinton did retalliate for all of the terrorist attacks you mentioned. Unfortunately he was was met with an unsupportive Republican Congress.
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He's no different than orielly and the rest of the hipporcits making money off of the war and a seperated nation. F him and all those that support him.
masons are privledged. we control everything. we pull strings because we can. we've been around for thousands of years so get over it. dodging the draft and pulling strings is two different things.
That's fucking wonderful. Get over it, W and I know we are more important than you, so we pull strings.
W, Dan Qualye and others supported the war and got into a very exclusive get-out-of war free card. That is not something to get over. It's the ultimate display of cowardice. That is simply them saying "I am more important. I love this war, but want some other schmuck to fight it for me. I won't even roll the dice and subject myself to the draft that all the worthless masses are subjected to." Maybe it helps explain why he got us in this mess--because he cannot even remotely relate to those who may have to fight.
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.. I don't know how they could honestly read what they write and not realize how illogical they sound.... Between threads like this and all of the conspiracy theory threads lately, I'm starting to really wonder about people in this world and how they get through everyday life.
We all have our level of bias or hypocrisy, but most of us can realize when an argument doesn't actually make sense and don't dig ourselves deeper.
It's this type of self centered overtly naive approach that has America going to hell in hand basket in the first place.
the irony is stunning..
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Clinton doesn't run around waving machine guns, producing videos on how to shoot captive animals and preach Pro Gun legislation. A slight bit of difference there.
Clinton WAS pretty gung ho about that little war in Kosovo. I'm sure you were opposing that decision too right? Right...
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
Here's a news flash ... not everyone who hates Bush was a Clinton fan. Plenty of people that oppose this war were opposed to Bosnia too. And that's why it's so stupid to pull out the indignant "Well, what about Clinton???" argument when someone criticizes Bush.
My answer to that is "Who gives a fuck about Clinton? I didn't like him either, and we're talking about Bush now because he's the one who's fucking up now."
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
Here's a news flash ... not everyone who hates Bush was a Clinton fan. Plenty of people that oppose this war were opposed to Bosnia too. And that's why it's so stupid to pull out the indignant "Well, what about Clinton???" argument when someone criticizes Bush.
My answer to that is "Who gives a fuck about Clinton? I didn't like him either, and we're talking about Bush now because he's the one who's fucking up now."
So you never voted for Clinton then.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
I voted for him in '92. I admit it, I was hoodwinked by his impersonation of a liberal. His support for things like NAFTA and the Communications Act (to name just a couple of the most memorable examples) showed me the error of my ways. I voted for Nader in '96.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
I voted for him in '92. I admit it, I was hoodwinked by his impersonation of a liberal. His support for things like NAFTA and the Communications Act (to name just a couple of the most memorable examples) showed me the error of my ways. I voted for Nader in '96.
Well then I hope yer not supporting that bitch Hillary. She claims she opposes NAFTA but I'm not fooled by her lies. Admittedly, I oppose NAFTA also but I'm not willing to vote for a Dem over it.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
Well then I hope yer not supporting that bitch Hillary. She claims she opposes NAFTA but I'm not fooled by her lies. Admittedly, I oppose NAFTA also but I'm not willing to vote for a Dem over it.
I am absolutely NOT supporting Hillary.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
Eh, how can I pick on you if you're not supporting Hillary. C'mon admit it. You'd love to see a female president! Gimme something to work with here.
My whole life I've dreamed of a female president. I imagined proudly going into the booth to cast my vote. I thought it would be a happy day. I hoped that I would live to see it.
Just imagine my disappointment when the first female with a real shot at winning is someone I truly can't stand :( You shouldn't be picking on me, you should be filled with sympathy for my plight.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
I didn't hear Nugent say anything supportive of the war. Did he? Doesn't he just support guns a lot? How is he a chickenhawk if he doesn't support the war (vietnam or Iraq) in the first place?
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
I never said that Bush should have shot down any planes so I don't know what you are talking about it... I don't want to have anything both ways.
Besides Bush and Clinton ignoring (or maybe just being unaware of) the scope and capabilities of Al Qeada, I'm not blaming anyone... It's you that is placing blame.
Besides maybe paying more attention to the region as far as intelligence capabilities (more arabic speakers and intelligence on the ground there), there isn't much we could have done to prevent 9/11.
Even after what happened, I don't agree with pre-emptive strikes, and giving up freedoms and liberties even if it would prevent another attack. I love this country for our liberty and openness... I'd rather risk being attacked by a couple dozen nutjobs, then give up our freedoms.
edit: and I see that you ignored the first part of the my quote that you used in response to you repeatedly saying clinton did NOTHING after the first WTC bombing... par for the course I guess....
i agree with you for the most part. my point was that even if bush knew about the attacks; nothing could've been done. short of shooting down planes full of citizens which then would have had him on trial for murder. it was a no win situation. the inquisition is over. we don't jail people for what they might do or would like to do. we must wait until the crime is committed.
so it was a no win situation from the start. that's all i'm saying. if we started jailing people for thoughts the jails would be full of fiction writers who wrote down those thoughts.
you don't agree with pre-emptive strikes yet the only way the attack could have been stopped was with a pre-emptive strike. and i don't believe that would have stopped it because the attackers were already here.
i agreed with the first part of your quote so i omitted it. my argument there is that a few people were arrested but their organization was left to thrive. attacks still continued and we arrested soldiers when we should have been ferreting out the generals.
I didn't hear Nugent say anything supportive of the war. Did he? Doesn't he just support guns a lot? How is he a chickenhawk if he doesn't support the war (vietnam or Iraq) in the first place?
i've hunted with teddy and he is one of the nicest people you'd ever want to meet. although the media has put it's spin on what exactly he supports; he actually supports eating and living naturally. and for good reason. the food is much better; it regulates the animal population; and it gets people back to nature.
i haven't had to shoot a gun in almost 2 years but if you try to take away my guns you'll have a fight to the death. most gun owners feel that way. the criminals know they'll always have access to guns. they'd like to see guns banned because criminals prefer unarmed victims. organized crime is the biggest supporter and contributor to the anti-gun movement. teddy lives naturally and doesn't bother anyone. he takes only what he needs which is the way everyone should live.
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Toby Keith is a lifelong Democrat. He gets judged incorrectly because he wrote a song in favor of attacking Afghanistan and because he spends a serious amount of time doing nice things for the troops.
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Untill their will grows tired
He gets judged incorrectly because he wrote a song in favor of attacking Afghanistan and because he spends a serious amount of time doing nice things for the troops.
and for bitching out the Dixie Chicks
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Give me a freakin' break... Bush and Cheney never defended their country except from behind a desk with other people's children... not when they were asked to go.
Like earlier in the thread... if you are going to blame Clinton for 9/11, then he can't be blamed for the first WTC under that logic.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Here's an idea, how about we blame the people that flew the fucking planes into the buildings? I know it's a crazy approach, but I mean not everything is political. Clinton dropped the ball, Bush ignored some pretty solid evidence that an attack was coming.
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That's just crazy-talk... you mean blame the nutjobs who actually attacked us?!??!!? But it just has to be the fault of one of the political parties...
I agree... There are people here who blame everything that happens on Bush and people who blame everything on liberals... I don't know how they could honestly read what they write and not realize how illogical they sound.... Between threads like this and all of the conspiracy theory threads lately, I'm starting to really wonder about people in this world and how they get through everyday life.
We all have our level of bias or hypocrisy, but most of us can realize when an argument doesn't actually make sense and don't dig ourselves deeper.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Personally I had 3 friends enlist shortly after 9/11. It was to fight Al Queda not Iraq. They all have told me that they are proud of what they accomplished but it wasn't what they signed up for. It's possible there are many more in the same boat. Of course there are some there for the purpose of Iraq, but don't assume all soldiers want to be there.
Clinton dodged the draft. So did Bush. So did Ted Nugget (I almost forgot he was the purpose of the thread. Just like Bush forgot the purpose of his war on terror.) So if draft dodgers are pussies at least Clinton is only a pussy and not a hypocrate as well.
BTW Clinton did retalliate for all of the terrorist attacks you mentioned. Unfortunately he was was met with an unsupportive Republican Congress.
6/7/2003 (***1/2)
7/9/2006 (****1/2)
7/13/2006 (**** )
4/10/2008 EV Solo (****1/2)
6/25/2008 MSG II (*****)
10/1/2009 LA II (****)
10/6/2009 LA III (***** Cornell!!!)
That's fucking wonderful. Get over it, W and I know we are more important than you, so we pull strings.
W, Dan Qualye and others supported the war and got into a very exclusive get-out-of war free card. That is not something to get over. It's the ultimate display of cowardice. That is simply them saying "I am more important. I love this war, but want some other schmuck to fight it for me. I won't even roll the dice and subject myself to the draft that all the worthless masses are subjected to." Maybe it helps explain why he got us in this mess--because he cannot even remotely relate to those who may have to fight.
It's this type of self centered overtly naive approach that has America going to hell in hand basket in the first place.
the irony is stunning..
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Clinton WAS pretty gung ho about that little war in Kosovo. I'm sure you were opposing that decision too right? Right...
-Enoch Powell
My answer to that is "Who gives a fuck about Clinton? I didn't like him either, and we're talking about Bush now because he's the one who's fucking up now."
So you never voted for Clinton then.
-Enoch Powell
Well then I hope yer not supporting that bitch Hillary. She claims she opposes NAFTA but I'm not fooled by her lies. Admittedly, I oppose NAFTA also but I'm not willing to vote for a Dem over it.
-Enoch Powell
Eh, how can I pick on you if you're not supporting Hillary. C'mon admit it. You'd love to see a female president! Gimme something to work with here.
-Enoch Powell
Just imagine my disappointment when the first female with a real shot at winning is someone I truly can't stand :( You shouldn't be picking on me, you should be filled with sympathy for my plight.
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Just imagine...The first bowhunt from the Rose Garden.
Love it! Ted ROCKS!
Yeeeeeeeeeee haaaaaaaawww!
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i agree with you for the most part. my point was that even if bush knew about the attacks; nothing could've been done. short of shooting down planes full of citizens which then would have had him on trial for murder. it was a no win situation. the inquisition is over. we don't jail people for what they might do or would like to do. we must wait until the crime is committed.
so it was a no win situation from the start. that's all i'm saying. if we started jailing people for thoughts the jails would be full of fiction writers who wrote down those thoughts.
you don't agree with pre-emptive strikes yet the only way the attack could have been stopped was with a pre-emptive strike. and i don't believe that would have stopped it because the attackers were already here.
i agreed with the first part of your quote so i omitted it. my argument there is that a few people were arrested but their organization was left to thrive. attacks still continued and we arrested soldiers when we should have been ferreting out the generals.
i've hunted with teddy and he is one of the nicest people you'd ever want to meet. although the media has put it's spin on what exactly he supports; he actually supports eating and living naturally. and for good reason. the food is much better; it regulates the animal population; and it gets people back to nature.
i haven't had to shoot a gun in almost 2 years but if you try to take away my guns you'll have a fight to the death. most gun owners feel that way. the criminals know they'll always have access to guns. they'd like to see guns banned because criminals prefer unarmed victims. organized crime is the biggest supporter and contributor to the anti-gun movement. teddy lives naturally and doesn't bother anyone. he takes only what he needs which is the way everyone should live.
Toby Keith is a lifelong Democrat. He gets judged incorrectly because he wrote a song in favor of attacking Afghanistan and because he spends a serious amount of time doing nice things for the troops.
Untill their will grows tired
and for bitching out the Dixie Chicks
*FUTK*
—Dorothy Parker
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