2 Texas dates dor you!!

slightofjeff

zootown wrote:

yesterday, Rubysdad (prez of 10C) said that there are no other planned dates for 2008. I understand that this email was sent out to several people- but who are you gonna believe, some email from a venue in Texas (that even indicates it is only "pending") or the prez of the 10C?

You obviously aren't fluent in PR mumbo jumbo talk.

He said there are no other dates "planned." Doesn't mean they can't plan some later.

red mos

slightofjeff wrote:

You obviously aren't fluent in PR mumbo jumbo talk.

He said there are no other dates "planned." Doesn't mean they can't plan some later.

yeah, I tried to clarify this yesterday in a few threads that got ovrerlooked (well my posts did anyway). I am taking the "as of now, no other dates planned" with a grain of salt. There may be no dates confirmed right now, and they are waiting so they can sell the announced shows out. ACL is usually announced in May, so we will see. I'm hoping for the ACL rumor to be true and the Dallas date and possibly a Houston date to become true. I haven't seen a pj show since Dallas 2003, so I really hope I get an opportunity to see them again soon. It's just to expensive for me to fly out, book hotel, get tickets, transportation ect. Hopefully soon though.

skipshot

Kat wrote:

I'm sorry, there are no additional shows planned.

I for one don't appreciate being lied to. I do appreciate that for marketing purposes you may not want to announce other shows in the south since the band is going to being playing the Austin City Limits Festival and other shows around that time (which will be announced in just a couple of weeks in mid-April), but to say that there are no additional shows being "planned" when those of us who know people who work with concert promoters who are most certainly "planning" shows for Pearl Jam to be playing other parts of the country, it is insulting to flat out lie to us and tell us that no additonal shows are being "planned" when discussions are most certainly ongoing for other shows. Instead of just saying things like this, couldn't you just say that there are no other shows "confirmed"? It'd make statements like this a little easier to take. Especially for those of us who know this is not the truth.

hdogg151

skipshot wrote:

I for one don't appreciate being lied to. I do appreciate that for marketing purposes you may not want to announce other shows in the south since the band is going to being playing the Austin City Limits Festival and other shows around that time (which will be announced in just a couple of weeks in mid-April), but to say that there are no additional shows being "planned" when those of us who know people who work with concert promoters who are most certainly "planning" shows for Pearl Jam to be playing other parts of the country, it is insulting to flat out lie to us and tell us that no additonal shows are being "planned" when discussions are most certainly ongoing for other shows. Instead of just saying things like this, couldn't you just say that there are no other shows "confirmed"? It'd make statements like this a little easier to take. Especially for those of us who know this is not the truth.

good point. If you know for sure that pj is playing in texas, than the administer's comment is completely misleading!

skipshot

SOLAT319 wrote:

I am totally on the same page with you. But she will not say anything to us at this point simply because she is an employee of that organization who is following orders. And the orders are not to leak anything about the additional dates to crazy-ass fans before the current dates are sold. It is a simple business strategy.

I can totally appreciate the marketing aspect of wanting to only announce limited dates and sell as many of those as possible, but when there are thousands of people who are selling tickets based on the fact that Pearl Jam is going to be playing the Dallas area, I don't see the need to come on here and totally deny that any other shows are even possibly going to be happening.

SoonForgotten2

SOLAT319 wrote:

I am totally on the same page with you. But she will not say anything to us at this point simply because she is an employee of that organization who is following orders. And the orders are not to leak anything about the additional dates to crazy-ass fans before the current dates are sold. It is a simple business strategy.

Which is why she could have said nothing as they usually do around here. They don't usually come outright and deny rumours. Now I don't know how true these rumours may be, but why would she voluntarily risk any of her credibility by saying there are no other shows planned if she knows that to be false?

skipshot

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

Which is why she could have said nothing as they usually do around here. They don't usually come outright and deny rumours. Now I don't know how true these rumours may be, but why would she voluntarily risk any of her credibility by saying there are no other shows planned if she knows that to be false?

Rumors are one thing, but when thousands of people are being e-mailed by legitimate venues that are selling tickets based on the fact that Pearl Jam are purported to be playing in Dallas, that's another thing altogether.

SoonForgotten2

skipshot wrote:

Rumors are one thing, but when thousands of people are being e-mailed by legitimate venues that are selling tickets based on the fact that Pearl Jam are purported to be playing in Dallas, that's another thing altogether.

The thing with that is that it's possible that those plans fell through for some reason and whoever is in carge of the newsletters either wasn't informed in time or jumped the gun. I don't think we can know for sure yet what the story is.

skipshot

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

The thing with that is that it's possible that those plans fell through for some reason and whoever is in carge of the newsletters either wasn't informed in time or jumped the gun. I don't think we can know for sure yet what the story is.

I don't believe that for a second. They're playing ACL, and they're playing Dallas and Houston in the days before and the days after, and they're just not announcing it yet.

SoonForgotten2

skipshot wrote:

I don't believe that for a second. They're playing ACL, and they're playing Dallas and Houston in the days before and the days after, and they're just not announcing it yet.

I hope you're right because time-wise I could do those gigs a lot easier than what's been announced and I'll probably hold-off. I just know that they were meant to do Pink Pop last year but cancelled- they went on to do a short Euro tour but it began a week or two later.

cropdustress

Interesting... We shall see.

spappy

They would not change from touring in late July to touring in June because a venue could not schedule it. I find it unlikely they would just say screw it and we will just play the east coast in June and forget about July. Something is brewing.

hookem

BeerBaron wrote:

When does ACL announce their lineup?

April 15.

callen

skipshot wrote:

Rumors are one thing, but when thousands of people are being e-mailed by legitimate venues that are selling tickets based on the fact that Pearl Jam are purported to be playing in Dallas, that's another thing altogether.

you get one of these emails??

callen

Kat wrote:

I'm sorry, there are no additional shows planned.

Thanks Kat.

Flagg

10c are being punks about this, I am sorry to say. And they have been since 2006. You know damn well there will be more shows.

justjoshingu

Flagg wrote:

10c are being punks about this, I am sorry to say. And they have been since 2006. You know damn well there will be more shows.

ok i agree it would be awesome for pj/10c to announce a 30 date tour and such.

to say they dont have any more "planned" may not be the best term. we all know they probably are planning more. pj has/is known as a TOURING band.

but...

the 10c cant say ok guys, they are hitting town XYZ without 100% things being in order. can u imagine the panic this place would have if they said they are going to town XYZ on a saturday night. by sunday morning loads of ten club members would have transportation, hotels, and plans confirmed. and then lets say that sunday afternoon that the 10c says, sorry guys town XYZ didnt happen. sorry. this place would be in an uproar.

the only thing i can add to this part, is i remember i was friends with a promoter and booker and organizers in a town i lived in. pj was coming. no doubt. they were planning for months. i got told because they knew how much i would enjoy it and how i can keep my mouth shut. anyway, pj was coming. just a few more details to work out. ok we are almost ready to announce it. just a few more kinks. ok any day now.... annyyyy day now.......anndddd...... well it fell through. the two sides couldnt agree. "this happens a lot" i got told. i found out more about the situation and it turns out is was the promoters fault more than anyone else's. and they turned out to be jerks about it. i was crushed but saw them in other towns. in other cities. but most of the times it can come down to a little disagreement. or in the case of multi city tours, they wont let a band play in arena in florida, because the kinks aren't worked out in pennsylvania and both are owned by a major corporation. (ie clearchannel.) so much goes into these tours, and until they are finalized in ink and notarized and payment and lots of other things, then the 10c cant say anything is "official" or "planned" 10c is doing there jobs in keeping us from all booking plane tix to all over the US and having to cancel them later.

i have heard the same rumors of texas dates. some of those were even in the last tour and we know those didnt happen.

all i can say again is.
go to acl fest. its always great. they book a variety of really good bands. its lots of fun. if you find out pj is playing. even better. if it turns out they will be in dallas that weekend. even better.

thanks for the info on dallas.
but please dont jump on 10c for doing what is not only thier job, but in the interest of most of the fans here.

u2mofo@u2.com

skipshot wrote:

I for one don't appreciate being lied to. I do appreciate that for marketing purposes you may not want to announce other shows in the south since the band is going to being playing the Austin City Limits Festival and other shows around that time (which will be announced in just a couple of weeks in mid-April), but to say that there are no additional shows being "planned" when those of us who know people who work with concert promoters who are most certainly "planning" shows for Pearl Jam to be playing other parts of the country, it is insulting to flat out lie to us and tell us that no additonal shows are being "planned" when discussions are most certainly ongoing for other shows. Instead of just saying things like this, couldn't you just say that there are no other shows "confirmed"? It'd make statements like this a little easier to take. Especially for those of us who know this is not the truth.

Amen

u2mofo@u2.com

America has 90% of the lawyers in the world!! Superpages would have to be crazy to use a "pending" Pearl Jam concert, in Dallas, on September 25th to market their season ticket offer. They certainly could/would get nailed to the wall if it were just fraud and there was nothing to this possible concert. Of course, it could be that the concert falls through and it could be just a huge coincidence that Mike implied they were playing ACL (which happens to be running at the same time) but it is far from just a rumor.

suns22

skipshot wrote:

Rumors are one thing, but when thousands of people are being e-mailed by legitimate venues that are selling tickets based on the fact that Pearl Jam are purported to be playing in Dallas, that's another thing altogether.

This is exactly what I was thinking while reading the thread.

There's definitely some "planning" going on.

See you at ACL.