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depopulationINC

Hey hey
I was waiting
I had
hey hey
I had a feeling
yeah I was waiting
hey hey
missing the meaning
passing all that they say
so I've been flaking
get on my knees
I get on my knees to pray
hey hey hey hey

one last chance
well I continue begging
I beg your pardon
yeah you are claiming
but hey hey hey
I've been here one time before
go on now
go on
go on
yeah just to claim your serving
hide that soul
that inner serpent
which claims your will
that keeps you hurting
one last chance
but it's just not working
nay nay nay hey

I can't I can't I can't
but to help obeying
have you heard all that
has this haunted here before
I can't I can't no I can't
but to stand
feel hate in
what once I waved that flag for

briefest meaning
oh well they do say
life's for breathing
expressions free wheeling
Hey hey hey hey
life without dreaming
one in the same
exist without reaching
struggle's the game
mmm
hold on to something
make it worth feeling
Hey hey hey hey

express your flower
spreading wings
to live in a moment
repeating that dreaming
again to reach
worth more than breathing

depopulationINC

Am I refined
are you my
my one sweet lady
I cry
made up just like a baby
tonight
I sing my song
and scream and maybe
try to recognize
what I have seen
what's passed of me before

I swim
I sink
just like a stone
and it drives me
it makes me go crazy
just like a mime
standing within a silence
no not a word
no more
nay hey hey hey

briefly saying
what's passing on
mmm I do know
briefly praying
what is wrong
what's up
what is on my mind
hey hey hey
I don't want
please hey, no maybe
for I hold disdain
the same kind
we dreaded from before
inside of me
internally
you see
hey hey hey hey

please give power
inside of me
we empower
can't take no more
nay nay hey hey
maybe timid
intimidated
not weaker now
than I was before
a hidden strength
I know how to soar
yay yay hey hey

I hate
see my disdain
a greater power
than once showed
I won't crumble
threw crutch away
hey hey yay yay
you see
I've been
somewhere I can't explain
you see
not me
not the same as I was before
hey hey hey hey

depopulationINC

Darkness creeps in, gloom settles in
morbid in it's own special little way
Light shines through, beams of desperation
begging to light the path of another day.

Heavy contemplation and endless fears
That total lack of knowledge
only to know anew is here

you take your steps
the steps you hate
hate to love
but sense the fate
for what will come
it won't last long
it tears your seams
it frustrates to the end

Luminous doorways waving
calling you in
with shadows engulfing
begging for sin

depopulationINC

I can feel the hands upon
how they go
go and now sabotaging
makes me feel too low
makes me take a little more in
and
there's a feeling
it's back around so near again
sense a resurging
resurgance within
it tingles, it's here
it's under my skin

I can feel you now
criticizing
and I
feel it diving
feel it diving
say what you want
say what you will
its all indifferent
its nothing on me
I'll test upon my freewill

serpents may rise
providing a thrill
its all cheap
and
only provoking a slight chill
fell it turning
spinning right round
sense a resurging
resurgance within
it's here, it burns
it's under the skin

tremors

Great thread.

Good to see the recent stuff connecting with the old.......

depopulationINC

responsibility


Can't just can't wait
for this feeling that I hate
providing me delivery
try try your will
does it still bring a little thrill
holding dear to the song
the won that tricks you all along
feel the beating in you heart
know nobody ever really won

escape
to bitter seasons of sun
we wait
for sensibility to come our way
deep hate
for everything that has become unfun
sacrificing all responsibility

can't just can't hate
when I'm slipping at the last of faith
does it make feel all better
to try try your will
does it still bring a little thrill
holding dear to the song
when inside you know its wrong
feel the beating in you heart
know nobody ever really won

equate
nothing seems to calculate
with fate
we need a method to translate
and faith
shivering through another season in the sun
sacrificing all responsibility

depopulationINC

I have over time been asked about this one a bit in the thread and in PM...think I am now at a place I am ready/willing to explain it all.

depopulationINC wrote:

I denounce your temporal plane
Transgressions and faults require at least one day
I close eyes to the Unions ritual Decree
Why cant you just tell us all
That we should live free

Don’t portray false messages
From the unbirthed Ghost
Thoughts of Temporal lashings
Hurt the most

Evil lurks behind those pure eyes
Why repent sins against son of man
While Spirit defaced throws away the lamb
Is this His discipline
Or a controlling façade
Eating bread
From sweat of brow
Do all before Him
Be condemned by God

This might be
A mortal sin
Seems so venial
At best
Deep within

Free your body
Mind and soul
Drink the blood
Ass you grow old

Before my living
Can commence
Holy Eucharist Sacrament
But when you kneel
And then repent
If you die you’ll stay above
But without feast
Will He show His love

this piece is about Purgatory and a child's place within it. I have never wanted to divulge that for 2 reason. A – I thought it might hurt people to hear that, and if it does I do greatly apologize...believe me the very thought hurts me to...explained by B – a number of years ago I was with a girl who ended up losing a newborn. This was all obviously very painful...the rage, discontent, sadness, bitterness and gloom was rather all-consuming and was the single biggest factor in shaping the rest of my life (a close second was a bad car accident in which I had to hold a dying friend on the side of the road and ended up being the only survivor...i have posted that somewhere here before).

As I have mentioned before, I converted to Catholicism...and well, it was to be with this very girl. I was extremely lost and confused, and because I had just went through the process of converting, the teachings were very fresh in my mind (this particular priest was old school...made you study and what not to convert...the way it was historically supposed to be achieved). I turned to the priest to discuss the matter and confessed that I was confused what would happen to the child as they had never completed sacrament of reconciliation, and Catholic Doctrine stated that confession was a requirement for access to heaven. I said it did not make a lot of sense to me, because surely the child had never sinned, apart from the fact that it had never been afforded the opportunity to meet the conditions of God's grace. I asked if this would be considered a sin...more specifically I asked if it would be a mortal sin. He said that it would not be a Mortal Sin, but would 'obviously' be Venial. This sent me irate! I asked what that meant...the child had not practiced reconciliation, and had Venial Sins, so this would mean Purgatory....he agreed. So this meant that this innocent child would need to go to Purgatory for Temporal cleansing!

Now, Purgatory is a temporal plane somewhere between heaven and hell. Some souls go straight to Heaven (very few), some go straight to Hell (ei Mortal Sinners), and some are simply deemed to not yet be pure enough to pass through the pearly gates. They therefore go to Purgatory to be lashed free of their sins. This is an indeterminate amount of time...some may be there for eternity attempting to be cleansed, some a very brief stay...it is all dependent on the sins, quantity of and the soul's ability to truly repent.

So, this child had apparently never sinned greatly enough to go to Hell, but was not allowed access to Heaven...this leaves Purgatory for eternity. Now, oddly enough, in the past couple years the Catholic Church (Vatican) set forth to give better definition of Purgatory, but I am not sure if that redefinition was ever completed or released...I know I have not read it, and don't think I ever will.

Anyways, that is the really really really quick overview of where this all came from....thought I would break it all apart a bit now.


I denounce your temporal plane
--- I think Purgatory is bullshit /flawed / unjust

Transgressions and faults require at least one day
--- The sins that place one in Purgatory surely can not be acquired at birth, even though I do realise that technically confession must take place

I close eyes to the Unions ritual Decree
--- The ritual decree of Batism, Confrimation and Eucharist are requirements to gain God's grace...I call it a union, because there a few...so union = group

Why cant you just tell us all
That we should live free
--- just kind of saying you give us free will, even though we do not have it. Free will does not have conditions bound to it.


Don’t portray false messages
--- touching on the fact that his teachings tell us that if we don't sin and we stay pure that heaven awaits, that if we idolize Him and try to live in His all pure image that we get in...again, this is not free will...it is do as you are told or else.

From the unbirthed Ghost
--- unbirthed Ghost = Holy Ghost...it was never really “born” per say

Thoughts of Temporal lashings
Hurt the most
--- Purgatory is supposedly a Temporal plane of existence where transgressions are beaten and burned out of your soul


Evil lurks behind those pure eyes
--- God's is the purist form (viewing from behind pure eyes), and for aforementioned reasons, I see don't agree with Purgatory in its entirety...almost evil

Why repent sins against son of man
--- we are supposed to confess/repent our sins, venial sins are what need cleansing in Purgatory

While Spirit defaced throws away the lamb
--- It is like God feels smited because the sacraments were not done, and now he is going to toss away one of his children/lamb because of it. I also often envision/associate a lamb with babies/youth. I also kinda see God as viewing us as his sheep...his heard to follow him

Is this His discipline
Or a controlling façade
--- Is this really all him, or is it made up bs from someone trying to give depth to the faith. Purgatory, from what I have read, has only been a part of the Catholic doctrine for around 1000 years.

Eating bread
From sweat of brow
Do all before Him
Be condemned by God
--- Eucharist is like accesses to Catholic Christianity...it is viewed as “the” big sacrament so to speak...Holy Communion...2nd sacrament of the 7 (Baptism, Eucharist, Reconciliation, Confirmation, Marriage, Holy Orders/Ordination, Last Rites). Part of the Eucharist/Communion process that many are familiar with is the breaking and distribution of sacramental bread at the alter...the bread representing the resurrection of Christ, and the breaking and sharing of the bread symbolizes unity. So, back to the whole thing that if you don't partake in the sacraments, First Communion being but one of them, that God is condemning you...could be Hell, in this case Purgatory. Bread of course being from the last supper.


This might be
A mortal sin
Seems so venial
At best
Deep within
--- Mortal sins are sins that are severe, done knowingly and deliberately via the sinner...reference the 10 commandments...plus faith, hope and charity. “You shall have no other gods before me ”... the First Commandment...or maybe the third...”You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain” my very words would be viewed as a Mortal Sin. By saying that they seem venial it is a shot a god, as venial sins are forgivable. So, it is trivializing my so called mortal sin. 'Seems so trivial, at best, deep within' is saying me denouncing you over Purgatory may be a mortal sin, but can you really blame me in this situation? Yeah, I know...it is a test...I am supposed to say it is a part of God's greater plan, that I am supposed to have blind faith in this situation and pray to him for guidance in this time of despair. Guess I failed Him and his test huh.


Free your body
Mind and soul
Drink the blood
Ass you grow old
--- the act of attending Mass and taking Communion/ Eucharist...just using that as a generalization that we are to continue worshiping Him and only Him to gain access (remember, not doing so is a Mortal sin...so don't take that chance boys and girls). I guess I see that you essentially freeing body, mind and soul via Eucharist and confession. You are cleansing your venial sins if you truly are repenting (saving some pain in Purgatory)...the blood is a representation of the wine at communion, which is a representation the wine from the last supper and also Jesus' blood (you know...the whole thing about Christ saying he is of pure vine (his soul is pure because he is one in the same...a piece...of god), he therefore turns water to wine because the bread and wine were made from a piece of him...so it transforms his body to bread and his blood transforms water to wine and he feasts with the disciples).


Before my living
Can commence
Holy Eucharist Sacrament
--- in other words be careful to do shit before you take communion

But when you kneel
And then repent
If you die you’ll stay above
--- and do it often because it will help you ass out in purgatory.

But without feast
Will He show His love
--- so basically if you don't take communion, and follow structured sacraments, the Catholic Church is saying God kinda looks at you as a lamb for the slaughtering. Many other religions state that you are to keep Him in your heart, and that showing up at the church is not always a requirement...that you can worship him from anywhere...I mean hey, the 4th commandment says to “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.” it says nothing about having to go to a church to for Eucharist...but you don't make money if the flock is not there now do you? The Catholic Church is, in my eyes, abusive of it authority on so many levels. I have no issues with religion per say, but follow the scripture you preach from.



I obviously have issues with the Catholic Church and its doctrines. I don't agree with their definition of most things, nor how they do little things like tricking you into having to come for communion to repent, just to get you in the door so to speak. I am all for the 5th commandment on, but the first 4...not how the Catholic Church spins them.

DinghyDog

I call myself a Christian, and I can't imagine the God you were taught about. This is the god I imagine:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=GNT

Mark 10:13-16 (Good News Translation)

JESUS BLESSES LITTLE CHILDREN
Some people brought children to Jesus for him to place his hands on them, but the disciples scolded the people. When Jesus noticed this, he was angry and said to his disciples, "Let the children come to me, and do not stop them, because the Kingdom of God belongs to such as these. I assure you that whoever does not receive the Kingdom of God like a child will never enter it." Then he took the children in his arms, placed his hands on each of them, and blessed them.

P.S. You've had some really difficult things to deal with in your life. I am wishing you healing and happiness.

-pacifier

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Depop - Thanks for the breakdown. That is some heavy stuff. Amazing too.

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depopulationINC

DinghyDog wrote:

OK, so I read all that, but I thought I would edit it here because I just wanted to ask you a quick question, and I'm sure you remember your own history.

Where are you at now with your beliefs? I would be very interested to know. I have always just 'felt' Christian, but in the last couple of years I have really started to questions things (not that I haven't questioned things all along, but I have never questioned my belief in God). Yet I still know that deep down I must believe, because, when it felt like there was nothing, I prayed.

I believe in basic Christian fundamentals, but, when it comes down to it the only thing I really truly 100% believe in from the testaments is Matthew 7:12.

I actively follow no religion. I am one with science, and thus my religion is reasoning which can be substantiated.

I believe that inner peace comes from a self controlled balance and the ability to separate one's self from a situation and look at said situation through observers eyes. In other words, if you were a bystander seeing a given situation, how would you look upon it.

I believe that everything in life requires balance, just as in nature. If you build a house from wood, nature must be restored. If you hurt someone, you must make amends. If you see someone in need, extend a hand. If you see someone who over indulges (greed) do not idolize. Thus, I believe the world is out of balance in a negative manner...not saying it is a bad place, just out of balance. If someone does something terribly bad, balance can only be restored by someone doing something terribly good.

I believe wisdom comes from not only seeing you negatives, but balancing them. In doing so, your balance makes the world and the people around you better...more balanced.

depopulationINC

DinghyDog wrote:

depopulationINC wrote:

Two beautiful souls projecting as one...

I coulda told you she would be beautiful,

wow, this was a long time ago. Our little baby is about to start school next week and your thread is still active

I always remember what you wrote here. It's one of the loveliest things I've ever 'heard' anyone say.

- pacifier

Perhaps I should make it a Hallmark card
haha
I am glad to hear you liked it.

depopulationINC

DinghyDog wrote:

depopulationINC wrote:

I whisper
To you my single everything
Explore that world
In constant astonishment
To hold in hands
Life so preciously
To search my mind
Bound with limp vitality

I scream to skies
To seek some remorse
I pray within
I try to release
I need this more
Than I’ve ever needed anything

I beg for you
Take me in place of thee
I pray some more
With my tearful symphony
Please grant for me
In clasping hands
Hedging so incomplete
Your place for sure
Breath life
Confirm vitality

I scream to skies
Is there a reward
I pray within
I search trough the stars
I need this more
Than life even means to me
I need this more
Without is there anything

probably your most moving writing ever. So little words to convey so much. Yet another one that I am unwilling to write 'beautiful' for.

really...hmmm....thanks
Probably obvious what it is about, but is about a man sitting at a hospital bed watching his wife passing, and praying/pleading to God to take him in her place...that he would swap places in a heartbeat...that he loves her so much that he would sacrifice everything if it could save her