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  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    "The fact that completely different readers can be differently affected by the 'reality' of a particular text is ample evidence of the degree to which literary texts transform reading into a creative process that is far above mere perception of what is written. The literary text activates our own faculties, enabling us to recreate the world it presents. The product of this creative activity is what we might call the virtual dimension of the text, which endows it with reality."

    Wolfie

    :)
  • exhale
    exhale Posts: 185
    While you´ll be sitting on the sofa red of love,
    I shall ride the evil dragon of the present
    And pray the prayer screaming pain,
    As you are not here to hold my heart
    To keep it safe,
    Away from all the bad composing evil poems,
    In ever ending days of hoping for a better,
    I will not cry my tears to please the earth
    So selfish thirsty for my flesh;

    I want to leave now,
    Paint the scarlet orange on horizon,
    Where every man and every boy is walking hand in hand,
    And all the bedtime stories can come true;
    I will not turn around,
    For this would be the very end of my existence,
    No bricks to build the gentles dreams with you on side,
    No waters making brightly shining buds to blooms,
    Just you and I and future memories to hold,
    To hold, and nothing more.

    Can I tell you, still, while waiting,
    To come with me on island of the constant luster.
    I know you´re scared of own reflection
    No need for mirror in my house on pole.
    It´s all perception bound for dreaming
    And no exception can bring difference;
    It´s my world of ever lasting faith in love,
    Love so sacred, so foreseen,
    You shall not kneel, nor beg to feel.
    Write. Wind each new thought upon the stream;
    and in its contradiction of response,
    Or seeming stagnance, see that rippled gleam
    That might suggest true movement. If you sense
    a hidden wave in what seems blanket still,
    Write more, wind each desire, and you'll see
    The willows nod and rustle, and you will
    hear the rushing babble of the free
    gush of water, brimming, charged with light
    That is your reader's understanding heart.
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Originally posted by exhale
    While you´ll be sitting on the sofa red of love,
    I shall ride the evil dragon of the present
    And pray the prayer screaming pain,
    As you are not here to hold my heart
    To keep it safe,
    Away from all the bad composing evil poems,
    In ever ending days of hoping for a better,
    I will not cry my tears to please the earth
    So selfish thirsty for my flesh;

    I want to leave now,
    Paint the scarlet orange on horizon,
    Where every man and every boy is walking hand in hand,
    And all the bedtime stories can come true;
    I will not turn around,
    For this would be the very end of my existence,
    No bricks to build the gentles dreams with you on side,
    No waters making brightly shining buds to blooms,
    Just you and I and future memories to hold,
    To hold, and nothing more.

    Can I tell you, still, while waiting,
    To come with me on island of the constant luster.
    I know you´re scared of own reflection
    No need for mirror in my house on pole.
    It´s all perception bound for dreaming
    And no exception can bring difference;
    It´s my world of ever lasting faith in love,
    Love so sacred, so foreseen,
    You shall not kneel, nor beg to feel.

    You know this is beautiful, don't you?
  • exhale
    exhale Posts: 185
    This blue is that reminds me on your walk,
    It´s steady, calm but still so harsh,
    Is there a colour that can hold you down,
    stings the nerve and makes you cover up.

    Strong doubts in one selve´s compatibility
    Never change and never run away,
    Why stay, when there is no connection
    To you and me and phantom ghost.

    Please help, so out of words for my defense
    Ran out of errors, there are no more to judge,
    Condemn my mind of being incoherent,
    I´ll believe and I´ll stay still.
    Write. Wind each new thought upon the stream;
    and in its contradiction of response,
    Or seeming stagnance, see that rippled gleam
    That might suggest true movement. If you sense
    a hidden wave in what seems blanket still,
    Write more, wind each desire, and you'll see
    The willows nod and rustle, and you will
    hear the rushing babble of the free
    gush of water, brimming, charged with light
    That is your reader's understanding heart.
  • exhale
    exhale Posts: 185
    Originally posted by FinsburyParkCarrots
    You know this is beautiful, don't you?

    Beautiful – the word I seek,
    Too gentle, it´s a dream.
    I will keep it on the bed frame
    To help me sleep, make me serene.
    Write. Wind each new thought upon the stream;
    and in its contradiction of response,
    Or seeming stagnance, see that rippled gleam
    That might suggest true movement. If you sense
    a hidden wave in what seems blanket still,
    Write more, wind each desire, and you'll see
    The willows nod and rustle, and you will
    hear the rushing babble of the free
    gush of water, brimming, charged with light
    That is your reader's understanding heart.
  • exhale
    exhale Posts: 185
    When you shall sense the energy to speak,
    It´s on the grounds, it´s there to reach.
    Turned into a better man I will forgive,
    Forget, and then come back.
    Picking up the crumbles of my broken ghost,
    I will proceed with entreaty for all the past
    That fell sometime in action because your perfection,
    And you will host no smile.
    I need a moment there to cogitate upon my self,
    Was it worth to dive into the sea of admiration
    Just to feel the wind float pass my body when you bow?
    There is no end to questions all alike
    I could go on and on and still abide
    By searching for a glimpse of your eye;
    But you would not give up your English humour
    Because it makes you so unique, one of a kind
    Ignore my face when seized with anguish,
    You have seen the same before, not of your interest.
    Need another challenge for a reward of many others
    That will caress your arrogance too obvious to simple minds,
    Don´t look for mine,
    Since I´ve accepted what this bond can tender;
    I will not give more before you pause
    And lean your head on my palms.
    Write. Wind each new thought upon the stream;
    and in its contradiction of response,
    Or seeming stagnance, see that rippled gleam
    That might suggest true movement. If you sense
    a hidden wave in what seems blanket still,
    Write more, wind each desire, and you'll see
    The willows nod and rustle, and you will
    hear the rushing babble of the free
    gush of water, brimming, charged with light
    That is your reader's understanding heart.
  • anOmis
    anOmis Posts: 223
    yer poems touch my soul

    i epsecially liked the last one

    *S*
    ~~dont mind yer make up, just make up yer mind~~

    ~~its better to be hated for who you are than be loved for who you are not~~

    F.ZAPPA
  • exhale
    exhale Posts: 185
    The day is starting after one more night,
    I only wonder, how many of the same length will go by,
    Should I not close my eyes at all
    Or should I fight against the nature and get tired even more?

    I feel, again, approaching the night of all the nights,
    When all will drink and all will gorge as this was THE last chance;
    I don´t grudge them, not at all, cause they assume correct,
    It is the last amazing blast, their minds without protect.

    I read his words, some time ago: “Chaos is come again,”
    Your´re right dear Sir, no change at all, since you´ve put down this claim.
    No peace was found, still shouting loud
    The dream will still be hunt.
    Write. Wind each new thought upon the stream;
    and in its contradiction of response,
    Or seeming stagnance, see that rippled gleam
    That might suggest true movement. If you sense
    a hidden wave in what seems blanket still,
    Write more, wind each desire, and you'll see
    The willows nod and rustle, and you will
    hear the rushing babble of the free
    gush of water, brimming, charged with light
    That is your reader's understanding heart.
  • ISN
    ISN Posts: 1,700
    I think you need to work on yoru poetry....man....(is that allowed....I mean I'm serious)
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Originally posted by ISN
    I think you need to work on yoru poetry....man....(is that allowed....I mean I'm serious)

    I'm not familiar with yoru. Is that like a clerihew?

    ;)
  • ISN
    ISN Posts: 1,700
    no, yoru...is a rastafarian friend of mine....heheheheheh....he's a boy with dreds
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    I've been thinking about this poem you wrote, exhale. If I were to chisel at it to find the soul that I know is there, I might shape this. I hope you don't mind my doing this. I mean well. :)

    The day is starting again,
    after one more night of sleepless starts.
    And I wonder again
    how many days of these -
    these
    days of sameness into night and day -
    will go by,
    and go by.

    These days into night couple like hounds
    but always, always
    without the night's consent:
    The moon cries endlessly
    "There is no place for me to rest.
    I cannot close my eyes at all.
    Perhaps I should fight against nature
    now,
    burning into stillness, fighting sleep."

    I feel, again
    I am approaching the night of all the nights,
    In this blank dull glaze of day-dust now:
    Clouds of hope of sleep are burned away.
    And as I watch
    this dawn
    without beginning,
    a dawn shadowed by night's curse,
    Where all drink the poison draft of ambition,
    Hailing the the Sun of Man
    In the last-chance saloon of the Final Day,
    I can't begrudge the revellers.
    No more.
    Let them play the day.
    I'm weary. Too weary to play.
    I'll watch, and let chaos stay,
    in hope of an end
    to this endless end.




    Is that okay? Forgive me for switching the words about a bit, exhale, as I've forgiven you for switching mine about, too. ;)
  • exhale
    exhale Posts: 185
    Originally posted by ISN
    I think you need to work on yoru poetry....man....(is that allowed....I mean I'm serious)

    why?
    Write. Wind each new thought upon the stream;
    and in its contradiction of response,
    Or seeming stagnance, see that rippled gleam
    That might suggest true movement. If you sense
    a hidden wave in what seems blanket still,
    Write more, wind each desire, and you'll see
    The willows nod and rustle, and you will
    hear the rushing babble of the free
    gush of water, brimming, charged with light
    That is your reader's understanding heart.
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Originally posted by exhale
    why?

    I agree, exhale; we are all open to constructive or deconstructive criticism as writers, but remarks that are unsupported by any advocacy of aesthetic, linguistic or formal and thematic criteria indicative or even vaguely implicative of what should constitute a 'good' poem, don't count as something about which to be overly concerned. And as an academic in training, exhale, you shouldn't worry about the odd 'critical' fart in your thread, if it has no good theoretical sheeeeeeet behind it. :D
    Carry on writing, exhale.

    :)
  • exhale
    exhale Posts: 185
    Originally posted by FinsburyParkCarrots
    I've been thinking about this poem you wrote, exhale. If I were to chisel at it to find the soul that I know is there, I might shape this. I hope you don't mind my doing this. I mean well. :)

    Is that okay? Forgive me for switching the words about a bit, exhale, as I've forgiven you for switching mine about, too. ;)

    There is no need for you to apologize,
    I shall rather consider myself privileged as your ´distant´ protégée.

    :)

    thank you ;)
    Write. Wind each new thought upon the stream;
    and in its contradiction of response,
    Or seeming stagnance, see that rippled gleam
    That might suggest true movement. If you sense
    a hidden wave in what seems blanket still,
    Write more, wind each desire, and you'll see
    The willows nod and rustle, and you will
    hear the rushing babble of the free
    gush of water, brimming, charged with light
    That is your reader's understanding heart.
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    How'd you do those diacritics?
    As in protegee? But with the squiggles?
    The only fancy thing I can do on my keyboard is
    €€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€

    and Pasta taught me that. :D
  • exhale
    exhale Posts: 185
    see, i´m working with a german keyboard (doesn´t mean that i´m german though ;) ) and so tere´s an extra key just for that mark.
    however, i´m pretty sure you should have it on your keyboard as well but you´d have to press either ctrl or alt + appropriate key with the mark on it + letter

    quite precisely now :)
    hope it´ll work

    if not, here are some - I don´t use them as often ;)
    ´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´```````````````````````````````````````````````````
    Write. Wind each new thought upon the stream;
    and in its contradiction of response,
    Or seeming stagnance, see that rippled gleam
    That might suggest true movement. If you sense
    a hidden wave in what seems blanket still,
    Write more, wind each desire, and you'll see
    The willows nod and rustle, and you will
    hear the rushing babble of the free
    gush of water, brimming, charged with light
    That is your reader's understanding heart.
  • exhale
    exhale Posts: 185
    Having second coffee, now, this morning,
    Gods are crying, wooing all for dawning,
    In my era voluptas dolendi covered thought
    An absolute tranquillity, no after-sough.

    Remotely, rumours, I hear voices dying
    Burden, heavy with the grief and sighing.
    For love that they´ve committed when two parts together grow,
    Meet up with me, to save the souls, for it is not their fault.
    Write. Wind each new thought upon the stream;
    and in its contradiction of response,
    Or seeming stagnance, see that rippled gleam
    That might suggest true movement. If you sense
    a hidden wave in what seems blanket still,
    Write more, wind each desire, and you'll see
    The willows nod and rustle, and you will
    hear the rushing babble of the free
    gush of water, brimming, charged with light
    That is your reader's understanding heart.
  • ISN
    ISN Posts: 1,700
    When you shall sense the energy to speak,
    It´s on the grounds, it´s there to reach.
    Turned into a better man I will forgive,
    Forget, and then come back.
    Picking up the crumbles of my broken ghost,
    I will proceed with entreaty for all the past
    That fell sometime in action because your perfection,
    And you will host no smile.
    I need a moment there to cogitate upon my self,
    Was it worth to dive into the sea of admiration
    Just to feel the wind float pass my body when you bow?
    There is no end to questions all alike
    I could go on and on and still abide
    By searching for a glimpse of your eye;
    But you would not give up your English humour
    Because it makes you so unique, one of a kind
    Ignore my face when seized with anguish,
    You have seen the same before, not of your interest.
    Need another challenge for a reward of many others
    That will caress your arrogance too obvious to simple minds,
    Don´t look for mine,
    Since I´ve accepted what this bond can tender;
    I will not give more before you pause
    And lean your head on my palms.

    I wasn't just criticizing willy-nilly........but it might be a language problem.....but what are crumbles....all that comes to mind are apple pies....do you mean crumbs.....crumbles is a verb.....half of it is illogical.....I could go on and on and still abide.....it just could be worked on a bit if working would help.....English humour surely is shared with most of England.....so how can it make someone unique......not of your interest is grammatically incorrect......it isn't a sentence......it might be a language thing, and if so then it's simply a matter of learning English better in order to try to write profound peoms in English.....the reason I commented is because I have a very good grounding in peotry and can see the effort behind these poems....which are tyring to be something....but not being it.....but still, if English is your second language, they are not too bad....but really, they are flawed
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Originally posted by ISN
    I wasn't just criticizing willy-nilly........but it might be a language problem.....but what are crumbles....all that comes to mind are apple pies....do you mean crumbs.....crumbles is a verb.....half of it is illogical.....I could go on and on and still abide.....it just could be worked on a bit if working would help.....English humour surely is shared with most of England.....so how can it make someone unique......not of your interest is grammatically incorrect......it isn't a sentence......it might be a language thing, and if so then it's simply a matter of learning English better in order to try to write profound peoms in English.....the reason I commented is because I have a very good grounding in peotry and can see the effort behind these poems....which are tyring to be something....but not being it.....but still, if English is your second language, they are not too bad....but really, they are flawed

    TONGUE-IN-CHEEK METACRITICAL DECONSTRUCTIVE ANALYSIS OF THE FOREGOING (NOT TO BE TAKEN TOO SERIOUSLY):

    (1) The passage demonstrates an excessive use of ellipses.
    (2) What might be the language problem to which you refer? 'It' doesn't relate to a proper noun in the context of this statement.
    (3) 'Crumbles' is a noun as well as a present participle of the verb 'to crumble'. When I think of crumbles I think of ancient ruins, before pastry. ;)
    (4) I thought modernism ushered in an allowance of defamiliarisation techniques, linguistic play and illogicality in poetry.
    (5) "Not of your interest" is not grammatically incorrect, though it is genitive rather than the conventional, dative "Not to your interest". I have no problem with the construction as it stands.
    (6) Why does absolute mastery of the English language provide the means of producing a profound poem? If it did, then even I would be a good poet.
    (7) I have a trained grounding in the study of poetry and I cannot presume to qualify or quantify the effort or intention behind a work. I deal with the words I read on the page or screen and my own responses to them.
    (8) The more I learn about literature, the more ideologically bound critical notions of flawed poetry, or 'literary competence', seem to me.

    ;) Only teasing you gently, ISN. I lliked your sonnets on olderman's thread.