the pros and cons of being a poet...

Being Enlightened

There is spunk in spank and spunk in your box!

Clean that m'er f'er up girlfriend!

This user's box is currently full is not the message that the masses wish to see. At least make an attempt to be a lady!

Yellow

omg... lmao...


i shall set to the task immediately, your grace



:D:D:D

FinsburyParkCarrots

PMs are working...just sent you one to test!

Yellow

i appreciate the effort, kind sir

mulac

how did a thread of poets become such a spankathon?

anyway i never really consider myself much of a poet, always thought i lacked a certain edge of eloquence.

plus i mostly write lyrics and prose

never liked rhyming

most of my stuff is criminally basic. but hey, i'm still young



i was thinking the other day how being a full time poet would be the best profession ever, even better if you got paid for it and could live off the money.

Yellow

mulac... the spankathon... ha...

the set of all things that are not a teapot is a spank, apparently...

(not that i intend that to make any sense to anyone but myself, but... anyway... there you have it...)


and i think, full time poets have to start out with cash... a trust fund or something... i mean at least 'til MtV becomes PtV, and frankly... i can't see that happening...


and good lyrics are like poetry...

i dunno, i've read some debate on lyrics versus poetry and came away with the notion that lyrics are not poetry, although it wasn't exactly clear as to why.... maybe it's just the presence of music that differentiates the two?

there's music set to poetry
and poetry inspired by music
but for some reason
there's a thin line between the two...

i like "God's Dice"... it feels like poetry to me, in fact, much of Binaural comes off like poetry...

it's out of my hands, making your hands meet
stumble as it's crumbling out of reach
it's in the cards on destiny
your sanity in tow
designate my luck
ah resignate...
this power has no roots to guide, no role...
trust in rusted minds refused to go
unwillingness, it's meaningless to walk away in vain
designate my will
designate my fill
resignate
my will is crashing, synapses flashing slow
days like frame by frame, where do they go?
why fight? forget it
cannot spend it
after i go
roll 'em high...
throw them again...
all gods' dice...
monkey driven, call this living
too much thought, it's overwrought, a hole
minding yours, what's mine not yours
will finish us off
designate my life
designate my view
resignate my will, my will, my will, i will
resignate my god




shoosh... the late night ramblings just go on and on and on...

cassia

wow, i'ze been gone a few days, and Stellar fabulo, batcakes, wonderful to see you in such a Swizzle of good taste,
{{{yellow}}} and now, to change subjects phonetically we could seque into

the Prose and Khans
of Being a
Poet

which would elude line shape
and find us flusteringly burr chilled in outer Mongolia
but oh my
they do have simply cute cute ultra-furry ponies there.
whee/
just popped in to say hello yellow~~
(this looks like a fun thread, i will read Mo' later...
pre-emptive Spank

cassia

Originally posted by Radar(Baba)O'Riley
Nudge, nudge,
SPANK, SPANK

I get skittles in my veins whenever I hear the "P" word used near me. I think it's a glorious compliment. Poets have stethascopes on brainbeats, they have heart autopsies in their pockets. They know life and death and every color in between. They kick ass.

oh {{{{Radar}}}}}}} yes!
lovecolor rocks
the cerebral pulse
of waves and diamonds

ahhhhhh Dat's so purdy, Rad

FinsburyParkCarrots

Originally posted by mulac


i was thinking the other day how being a full time poet would be the best profession ever, even better if you got paid for it and could live off the money.

Burns was a taxman, Byron started wars all over Europe in his spare time, Tennyson was a bit of a dosser, TS Eliot ran Faber, Kavanagh begged on the streets of Dublin, Larkin worked in the library, Hughes ponced about a bit, Plath had to put up with Hughes poncing about, and Andrew Motion works at the University of East Anglia.

I think Ginsberg managed to be a professional poet, though.

cassia

where jodie foster gets up there and there's this apricot neon swirl of starry amoebae...sparkling sparkling there
and her eyes tear up
and she gasps {{paraphrasing...}}
it's so beautiful beautiful....
no words...
to describe....

they should have sent a poet....'

and oh my poets are people
who live
always
trying to Describe
Transcribe

the beauty, the pain, the Thing and its inherent Idea...
the Truth
(keatsian, archaic, perhaps, but beautiful ahhhhhhh)
and
poems can be about anything and mean nothing
but

it's about word choice
from all the words out there...
a poet is a person
who
CHOOSES
and gives weighty consideration....rearranging on the page, mouthing syllables to an interior stage....
One
who finds pleasure
in creating
with the breath of his dreams...

(ohmygod, so is that so stellar cheezy or What...)

i loved what finsbury said about the concept of poet as 'transcendent magus"
wow

transcendental magi, we

impoverished, yes, but gleeful (my typical "pay" is two copies of the journal or review who publishes my work!)....and the most i've scored on a contest....well, a really nice restaurant at best

you so gotta love it/ Ars gratis Artis.....

Yellow

cassia






hugs stuffin

Rayne

Lyrics can be poetic, and poetry can become lyrics...but not all lyrics are poetry and not all poetry can be lyrical.

I write poetry, as my own outlet for feelings. I have never written lyrics, and don't know if I could have a talent for it. I am always impressed at how a lyricist can make words come together, and I feel THAT is where the poetry lies in songwriting. Not so much just the words, but the words together with the music is poetic.

All in all, I feel every one has some sort of talent. It may be writing, or drawing, or acting out emotions, or even interpreting great works. It's all talent and should be recognized and revered as such, far as I'm concerned.

FinsburyParkCarrots

Scholars of poetry often argue whether GM Hopkins's "The Windhover" is a poem or a song lyric, because Hopkins makes use of "sprung rhythm" (a device that subdivides the cadence of a line into little intervals, which make more sense syncopated over a line of music). They say, Hopkins doesn't stick to poetic metre, so "The Windhover" can't be, precisely speaking, a poem.

What is this "preciseness", and what does it do but put kinds of language into little boxes.

I think Roman Jakobson explained poetic language best. He said that prose speech works "horizontally" along the "syntagmatic axis of communication": in other words, the syntactical order of words in a sentence generate meaning. However, he continued, poetry works "vertically", along the axis of selection: poetry uses "the principle of equivalence"... it communicates through assonance, alliteration, rhythm, repetition, half-rhymes, full-rhymes, pararhymes, typographical shaping, puns, tropes, metaphors, similes, etc., etc., etc.......

Prose can be poetic, if it foregrounds the "principle of equivalence".....look at the "Tell me about Anna Livia" chapter from "Finnegans Wake"......

Poetry can be presented as prose.....look at Geoffrey Hill's "Mercian Hymns......."

Goulet

anyone who thinks they are a poet
obviously is not
same goes for song-writers and painters
and buisnessmen and whores
and anything else you think you are

FinsburyParkCarrots

Originally posted by Goulet
anyone who thinks they are a poet
obviously is not
same goes for song-writers and painters
and buisnessmen and whores
and anything else you think you are

Interesting proposition. Please elucidate.

Non cogito ergo sum?

FinsburyParkCarrots

Originally posted by Goulet
anyone who thinks they are a poet
obviously is not
same goes for song-writers and painters
and buisnessmen and whores
and anything else you think you are

Shakespeare thought he was a poet. he was.
Milton thought he was a poet. He was.
Wordsworth thought he was a poet. He was.
Emily Dickenson thought she was a poet. She was.
Yeats thought he was a poet. He was.
Rabindranath Tagore thought he was a poet. He was.
Elizabeth Bishop thinks she is a poet. She is.
Patrick Kavanagh thought he was a poet. He was.
Bob Dylan once said, "I'm a poet, and I know it, hope I don't blow it." He's a poet.

binauralonthecape

check the name, you can never trust goulet.......

FinsburyParkCarrots

It's just one of those cliched expressions..."true poets don't know they are." This dates back to the medieval bardic tradition when women and people from the poorer classes were discouraged from writing verse and thinking themselves poets, because, allegedly, only males got jobs at court....(recently uncovered historical evidence suggests this myth isn't actually true, either).

You know the poem "They shut me up in prose"?....... Thinking yourself a poet is a politically committed, subversive, spiritually emancipatory, carnivalesque destabilization of that repressive proseworld of laws and statutes, and silence.

cassia

Originally posted by Goulet
anyone who thinks they are a poet
obviously is not
same goes for song-writers and painters
and buisnessmen and whores
and anything else you think you are

yes, i see the void in yr precision,
for
if we
think....(anything)
aren't we
foremost

thinkers......

and reminds me of the argument that

he who claims to know....
knows
nothing~~~


and if you think,
what you write about people who think they are poets
not being poets,
then
you are not a person who writes about people who think
they are poets not being poets....

ahhhh more self-inversion therapy,

CranMalReign

Originally posted by Goulet
anyone who thinks they are a poet
obviously is not
same goes for song-writers and painters
and buisnessmen and whores
and anything else you think you are

I think, therefore I'm not.