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  • grooveamaticgrooveamatic Posts: 1,374
    i'm afraid I must be going dear...but, to be continued, mayhaps?
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  • AliAli Posts: 2,621
    Yea..I have to split...to be continued domani(Tomorrow).
    Until then groovemeister...Its been fun.
    CIAO!
    A whisper and a thrill
    A whisper and a chill
    adv2005

    "Why do I bother?"
    The 11th Commandment.
    "Whatever"

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  • grooveamaticgrooveamatic Posts: 1,374
    well, I won't be on until much later than this tommorow, but I shall post my thoughts regardless!

    adios ali!
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  • grooveamaticgrooveamatic Posts: 1,374
    it is just as wrong to put either the man guilty of murder or the man guilty of war to death; killing can never justify killing.

    what think you?
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  • AliAli Posts: 2,621
    Stay fast-wayward
    to the safe side
    of the road
    drifting a little to
    the left and the right
    But don't play it too safe
    You never know what could cross
    into your path
    A whisper and a thrill
    A whisper and a chill
    adv2005

    "Why do I bother?"
    The 11th Commandment.
    "Whatever"

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  • AliAli Posts: 2,621
    No-I think you're right.
    It could be
    1. Insanity
    2. Ignorance
    3. Accidental
    A whisper and a thrill
    A whisper and a chill
    adv2005

    "Why do I bother?"
    The 11th Commandment.
    "Whatever"

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  • grooveamaticgrooveamatic Posts: 1,374
    or the wrong person could be convicted...the jury system is inherently flawed because guilt is decided by humans, who are all flawed.

    should folks be punished at all for starting wars, and if so, how and under what circumstances? ahh...that is a difficult question...
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  • AliAli Posts: 2,621
    I think that once you admit that you are flawed,you're doomed.
    War is a crime..I feel...but its the same thing...admission of guilt prompts one to kill..or..put yourself in a situation like that.
    In the basis of almost all religion..if were talking about philosophy here,
    were all true and perfect creatures, in the higher plane brought down upon the Earth.But in the Catholic Religion and the latter, The Devil does exist and has the ability to aquire souls/bodies to do his bidding...as in other religions..
    they have kind of the same beliefs.
    A whisper and a thrill
    A whisper and a chill
    adv2005

    "Why do I bother?"
    The 11th Commandment.
    "Whatever"

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  • grooveamaticgrooveamatic Posts: 1,374
    well, here we are going to have a difference of opinion...for myself, i know that I must admit i am flawed...but that's a long and somewhat different conversation...

    i don't subscribe to the beliefs of any particular religion...when I refer to "God" i am simply referring to a Higher Power, something that is better than me that I can trust in. I stay away from assigning too many specific traits or dogma to this power or my relationship to it. i simply have faith in it.

    I deeply respect the philosophies of all religions, though...they all have great ideas and a fundamentally beautiful view of human beings.
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  • grooveamaticgrooveamatic Posts: 1,374
    perhaps i somewhat misunderstood your previous post...
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  • AliAli Posts: 2,621
    My point is that in MOST religions...
    "We're all perfect in God's/Buddah's/Allah's eyes
    and what we do and how we live is okay,
    if youre living in accordance with that.
    However,
    there is choice to do or not to do.
    A whisper and a thrill
    A whisper and a chill
    adv2005

    "Why do I bother?"
    The 11th Commandment.
    "Whatever"

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  • grooveamaticgrooveamatic Posts: 1,374
    so what is to be done with the war-monger? how is his crime different from the murderers in the penitentiary?

    (do you think we might be pissing people off by having this conversation here?)
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  • AliAli Posts: 2,621
    Well..yes..we all "sin" and are Flawed..in the CAtholic religion,Christian religions but we must suppossedly STRIVE FOR PERFECTION...and be as perfect as Him.
    A whisper and a thrill
    A whisper and a chill
    adv2005

    "Why do I bother?"
    The 11th Commandment.
    "Whatever"

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  • grooveamaticgrooveamatic Posts: 1,374
    striving for perfection...indeed...that's where the meat of life is at...

    one of the main goals of my life is to be constantly making spiritual progress...i know I can't achieve perfection toady, on this day, but i can make progress...
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  • AliAli Posts: 2,621
    I dont thikn were pissing anybody off, its a philosophical conversation.
    If we are were sorry...but we want to talk about this.
    I dont think that anyone should be killed purposely...I think that there are alot of factors that control why people kill,like,bad health,persuasion,
    occultism,possession...If anything..they should be kept somewhere and locked
    away or even treated medically and socially to find out whats wrong with them.I think that even they desrve a fair shot of living...
    I know that sounds crazy..but we as society must keep an eye on everyone.
    A whisper and a thrill
    A whisper and a chill
    adv2005

    "Why do I bother?"
    The 11th Commandment.
    "Whatever"

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  • grooveamaticgrooveamatic Posts: 1,374
    today, not toady.
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  • grooveamaticgrooveamatic Posts: 1,374
    Ali wrote:
    I dont thikn were pissing anybody off, its a philosophical conversation.
    If we are were sorry...but we want to talk about this.
    I dont think that anyone should be killed purposely...I think that there are alot of factors that control why people kill,like,bad health,persuasion,
    occultism,possession...If anything..they should be kept somewhere and locked
    away or even treated medically and socially to find out whats wrong with them.I think that even they desrve a fair shot of living...
    I know that sounds crazy..but we as society must keep an eye on everyone.

    i agree completely...killing is never right, and we owe it to everyone to try to find out what is wrong with them...i do suspect that some folks are just plain evil, and should simply be locked away. broken people. but that's only something i suspect. i won't pretend that i am sure about that.
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  • AliAli Posts: 2,621
    Let me tell you...I have been so innocent to most of the teachings of the
    religion that I follow/have been raised upon.But its not just that..its never in the media...We dont even teach morals and ethics in our elementary classrooms today.
    A whisper and a thrill
    A whisper and a chill
    adv2005

    "Why do I bother?"
    The 11th Commandment.
    "Whatever"

    PETITION TO STOP THE BAN OF SMOKING IN BARS IN THE UNITED STATES....Anyone?
  • grooveamaticgrooveamatic Posts: 1,374
    today, not toady.

    to understand what this means you gotta read the last post on the previous page.
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  • grooveamaticgrooveamatic Posts: 1,374
    Ali wrote:
    Let me tell you...I have been so innocent to most of the teachings of the
    religion that I follow/have been raised upon.But its not just that..its never in the media...We dont even teach morals and ethics in our elementary classrooms today.

    because of the seperation of church and state (which I agree with) but it's been taken too far...we're afraid to teach anything unless it pisses someone off...and we have the overreactions of a handful of over-zealous looneys to thank for that.
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  • grooveamaticgrooveamatic Posts: 1,374
    because of the seperation of church and state (which I agree with) but it's been taken too far...we're afraid to teach anything unless it pisses someone off...and we have the overreactions of a handful of over-zealous looneys to thank for that.

    ok, yet another correction...I meant IN CASE is pisses someone off, not UNLESS.
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  • AliAli Posts: 2,621
    Oh -The thing where we can't have a moment of silence in school?
    Do we deliberate good or evil in class while we think to ourselves?
    There's a wrong and right answer to a test...
    there's a wrong or right answer if you don't raise your hand...
    Theres a wrong and right answer if you hit someone in the eye at school...
    WHY CAN'T THERE BE A WRONG AND RIGHT ANSWER
    TO SIT IN SILENCE FOR A MINUTE AND MEDITATE?
    WE HAVE PRESIDENTS DAYS...CHRISTMAS VACATIONS...AND HALLOWEEN...
    WHY NOT A MOMENT OF SILENCE F O R A L L IN SCHOOL?
    A whisper and a thrill
    A whisper and a chill
    adv2005

    "Why do I bother?"
    The 11th Commandment.
    "Whatever"

    PETITION TO STOP THE BAN OF SMOKING IN BARS IN THE UNITED STATES....Anyone?
  • grooveamaticgrooveamatic Posts: 1,374
    some people get very touchy with their religion...and some of those people are very powerful...

    it's such a strange aspect of our country. it's confusing and sad.
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  • AliAli Posts: 2,621
    They get so touchy yet what if they cancelled every holiday
    beacase it wasn't capitalist enough?
    A moment of silence has nothing to do with God..its just a break from the middle of the day!
    A whisper and a thrill
    A whisper and a chill
    adv2005

    "Why do I bother?"
    The 11th Commandment.
    "Whatever"

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  • grooveamaticgrooveamatic Posts: 1,374
    man, it would be nice if everyone saw it that way!

    I hope by the time I have kids I can afford to send them to private school...although I loved my time in public school, things are getting too weird in there, i think.
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  • I've truly enjoyed reading you two's conversation...thanks!
    i can still bite my toenails.
  • AliAli Posts: 2,621
    anytime you want to join in...:)
    A whisper and a thrill
    A whisper and a chill
    adv2005

    "Why do I bother?"
    The 11th Commandment.
    "Whatever"

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  • AliAli Posts: 2,621
    Beaches are crowded
    Filled with people
    We lament for the borne
    And weep for the dead
    An ocean before us
    All the water in the world
    And we're still weeping
    for the salvation of song
    A whisper and a thrill
    A whisper and a chill
    adv2005

    "Why do I bother?"
    The 11th Commandment.
    "Whatever"

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  • AliAli Posts: 2,621
    All the worlds a stage
    and we are merely players.....

    Knock Knock?

    Whos there?

    anybody.

    Anybody who?

    Anybody who you want it to be.I got your number babe,
    I got your number.
    A whisper and a thrill
    A whisper and a chill
    adv2005

    "Why do I bother?"
    The 11th Commandment.
    "Whatever"

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  • AliAli Posts: 2,621
    hey spaghetti heads?

    Do ya think 31 is to old to audition for Julliard/Princeton?
    I'm checkin it out for yas!
    heart,
    me
    A whisper and a thrill
    A whisper and a chill
    adv2005

    "Why do I bother?"
    The 11th Commandment.
    "Whatever"

    PETITION TO STOP THE BAN OF SMOKING IN BARS IN THE UNITED STATES....Anyone?
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