i disagree, and certainly not directed at people, especially people you don't even know. perhaps hate directed at hateful activities, ideas and concepts.....
hate is definitly NOT necessary,
sarcasm is...
yet hating evil is necessary.
Good to see you D2d.
A whisper and a thrill
A whisper and a chill
adv2005
"Why do I bother?"
The 11th Commandment.
"Whatever"
PETITION TO STOP THE BAN OF SMOKING IN BARS IN THE UNITED STATES....Anyone?
Haha, no I'm not Old Hooky. I'm named after some carrots Ed Vedder threw from the stage at Finsbury Park in 1993. One hit me on the head.
Anyway, yes, about Allen, what bugs me are all these adjectives and adverbs , and over-long lines that neither show nor tell anything except that he's no Yeats when it comes to political symbolism.
Who would you say was a good "Condition of America" poet though, if such a thing exists?
I would say, Whitman and Frost. And even Bob Dylan: no one will ever convince me that popular lyrics (even with the repetitive refrain) isn't poetry.
i disagree, and certainly not directed at people, especially people you don't even know. perhaps hate directed at hateful activities, ideas and concepts.....
hate is just anger voiced. hate is better than violence. does hate beget violence? maybe, but that would be mongering hate. and we don't do that here (do we?), and there's know way in the world you can tell me you don't get angry and hate some things some times.
There is a reason many Americans who travel abroad depart from Canada, and put the big ol mapple leaf on their stuff. The US and Canada are very similar in many aspects, including freedoms....yet Canadians are generally recieved better around the world...there is no arguing that.
I have to agree with you there, at least in Australia. I've heard Canadians being described as very similar in nature to Australians, which is probably why they are better recieved, as you said, here than Americans. Don't get me wrong we don't hate Americans, Australians are pretty good at judging an individual on their merits rather than where they came from, and some of the nicest people I have ever known have been American, but I think you summed it up just about perfectly when you said........."I do not hate Americans, but the overbaring "American Ego" can be frustrating."
BTW, IMO the tittle of this thread says enough..."f all you american haters"
Well I thought the title of the thread indicated what the thread was about too, but then suddenly it was about drugs and american indians and I didn't get the connection at all, that's why I ask what she meant for her original words to mean and instead of an answer I got a completely off topic rant. Well, it seemed off topic to me, maybe the answer is in there if I look close enough.
I don't believe that the antics of others - such as government - speak for an entire country. They are the front men but don't speak for everyone...............I have watched as others and been embarrased and disappointed by what our government leads us into. That does not stop my love of America and the versatility and beauty that can be found here also. Like anywhere else, there is good here also, not just bad. Peace & Love regardless of who/where you are...
I agree with this. Sometimes I am so embarrassed by the way that Australia is portrayed, either because of the descisions of our government or by small groups of racist people causing trouble, etc. Sometimes I am surprised at the extent of stupidity that some people have here, I am honestly shocked by some actions because I think an Australian wouldn't do that, but sure enough they do. But it doesn't stop me loving Australia, it just makes me realise that not everybody thinks like me and that I have to be less naive and realise bad things happen no matter where you live.
I agree with this. Sometimes I am so embarrassed by the way that Australia is portrayed, either because of the descisions of our government or by small groups of racist people causing trouble, etc. Sometimes I am surprised at the extent of stupidity that some people have here, I am honestly shocked by some actions because I think an Australian wouldn't do that, but sure enough they do. But it doesn't stop me loving Australia, it just makes me realise that not everybody thinks like me and that I have to be less naive and realise bad things happen no matter where you live.
pacifier,
I dont think theres anything to be embarrassed about.One person does not represent or believe in the same things that evryone else believes in....
Personally,I do nothing anymore but read,study, and breathe God,...whilst doing my work,
trying to get others' opinions on this topic...
My rant about the Fuck You thread was just to see how callous and irresponsible some Americans really are, and to see how patient some are.
To be honest with you,I could care less if these people decide to be immature and foolish toward me,someday they will learn when they die,
if they die, and enter the gates of Heaven ,or the fires of Hell.
And that's what that thread and this board help me do....:)
I would LOVE to see Austrailia someday,along with alot of other safe and Godly countries.
A whisper and a thrill
A whisper and a chill
adv2005
"Why do I bother?"
The 11th Commandment.
"Whatever"
PETITION TO STOP THE BAN OF SMOKING IN BARS IN THE UNITED STATES....Anyone?
Personally,I do nothing anymore but read,study, and breathe God,...whilst doing my work,
trying to get others' opinions on this topic...
Ali...my own personal motto - God is love so let's spread the sunshine...
Our love must not be just words, but True Love, which shows itself in action,
No one needs a smile more than someone who fails to give one,
After you die...you know how to LIVE!
ali, with what you've said and what twin 1 just added, i would love to send you a picture from honduras. will you pm your email so i can? thanks.
fell freee pearl mutt-and if you need anything while youre there,ask....:)
good to hear youre seeing it all and having fun at work....:)
theres so much to see....wish you could be here too....:D:)
peace in honduras,my friend...if you need me,pm me...i mean it....:O
you should spend some time on my space too...
hey ali cat . . . that did not work. arrrgghhh! jk
so am i doing something wrong is the link wrong? let me know.
i'm back home again home again jiggidy jig, like the friend of the owl and the pussy cat, the ring nosed pig . . . oink!
my guy saw an enormous owl the other night, enormous, he didn't have his glasses on and thought it was an alien or the chick from the exorcist when its head turned around. he was like holy fuck! where's the cat that'd marry that thing!?
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A whisper and a thrill
A whisper and a chill
adv2005
"Why do I bother?"
The 11th Commandment.
"Whatever"
PETITION TO STOP THE BAN OF SMOKING IN BARS IN THE UNITED STATES....Anyone?
Comments
sarcasm is...
yet hating evil is necessary.
Good to see you D2d.
A whisper and a chill
adv2005
"Why do I bother?"
The 11th Commandment.
"Whatever"
PETITION TO STOP THE BAN OF SMOKING IN BARS IN THE UNITED STATES....Anyone?
I would say, Whitman and Frost. And even Bob Dylan: no one will ever convince me that popular lyrics (even with the repetitive refrain) isn't poetry.
Carl Sandburg and Allen Ginsburg are popular equivalents in different times of the american experience.
hate is just anger voiced. hate is better than violence. does hate beget violence? maybe, but that would be mongering hate. and we don't do that here (do we?), and there's know way in the world you can tell me you don't get angry and hate some things some times.
Those are three who immediately came to mind with me. Sure, Dylan is a great poet. After all, Homer's Iliad and Odyssey are songs.
I have to agree with you there, at least in Australia. I've heard Canadians being described as very similar in nature to Australians, which is probably why they are better recieved, as you said, here than Americans. Don't get me wrong we don't hate Americans, Australians are pretty good at judging an individual on their merits rather than where they came from, and some of the nicest people I have ever known have been American, but I think you summed it up just about perfectly when you said........."I do not hate Americans, but the overbaring "American Ego" can be frustrating."
Well I thought the title of the thread indicated what the thread was about too, but then suddenly it was about drugs and american indians and I didn't get the connection at all, that's why I ask what she meant for her original words to mean and instead of an answer I got a completely off topic rant. Well, it seemed off topic to me, maybe the answer is in there if I look close enough.
I agree with this. Sometimes I am so embarrassed by the way that Australia is portrayed, either because of the descisions of our government or by small groups of racist people causing trouble, etc. Sometimes I am surprised at the extent of stupidity that some people have here, I am honestly shocked by some actions because I think an Australian wouldn't do that, but sure enough they do. But it doesn't stop me loving Australia, it just makes me realise that not everybody thinks like me and that I have to be less naive and realise bad things happen no matter where you live.
I dont think theres anything to be embarrassed about.One person does not represent or believe in the same things that evryone else believes in....
Personally,I do nothing anymore but read,study, and breathe God,...whilst doing my work,
trying to get others' opinions on this topic...
My rant about the Fuck You thread was just to see how callous and irresponsible some Americans really are, and to see how patient some are.
To be honest with you,I could care less if these people decide to be immature and foolish toward me,someday they will learn when they die,
if they die, and enter the gates of Heaven ,or the fires of Hell.
And that's what that thread and this board help me do....:)
I would LOVE to see Austrailia someday,along with alot of other safe and Godly countries.
A whisper and a chill
adv2005
"Why do I bother?"
The 11th Commandment.
"Whatever"
PETITION TO STOP THE BAN OF SMOKING IN BARS IN THE UNITED STATES....Anyone?
No one needs a smile more than someone who fails to give one,
After you die...you know how to LIVE!
good to hear youre seeing it all and having fun at work....:)
theres so much to see....wish you could be here too....:D:)
peace in honduras,my friend...if you need me,pm me...i mean it....:O
you should spend some time on my space too...
check it out...http://www.myspace/allisonvigh.com
A whisper and a chill
adv2005
"Why do I bother?"
The 11th Commandment.
"Whatever"
PETITION TO STOP THE BAN OF SMOKING IN BARS IN THE UNITED STATES....Anyone?
A whisper and a chill
adv2005
"Why do I bother?"
The 11th Commandment.
"Whatever"
PETITION TO STOP THE BAN OF SMOKING IN BARS IN THE UNITED STATES....Anyone?
so am i doing something wrong is the link wrong? let me know.
i'm back home again home again jiggidy jig, like the friend of the owl and the pussy cat, the ring nosed pig . . . oink!
my guy saw an enormous owl the other night, enormous, he didn't have his glasses on and thought it was an alien or the chick from the exorcist when its head turned around. he was like holy fuck! where's the cat that'd marry that thing!?
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A whisper and a chill
adv2005
"Why do I bother?"
The 11th Commandment.
"Whatever"
PETITION TO STOP THE BAN OF SMOKING IN BARS IN THE UNITED STATES....Anyone?