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  • LukinFan
    LukinFan Florida Posts: 29,119
    I like Buckcherry, not a huge fan or anything, but I like them
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  • catch22
    catch22 Posts: 1,081
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    No current ones that spring to mind. I'm thinking of Appetite for Destruction era Guns n' Roses, The Replacements, that kind of thing. If you're making out like you're some kind of dangerous junkie sleazebag with AIDS, make music that sounds the same, not like a glossy Guitar Hero advert.

    Perhaps our definition of "fun" differs but I don't get a huge kick of music that panders to the lowest common denominator.

    ah, of course. they're cool because they were around in the 80s, and are safely old enough for you to risk saying you think they're cool. and it was cool for people to do it then, but not cool for people to do the same thing now.
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    catch22 wrote:
    ah, of course. they're cool because they were around in the 80s, and are safely old enough for you to risk saying you think they're cool. and it was cool for people to do it then, but not cool for people to do the same thing now.
    Or, to put it more accurately, it was good when GnR did it, and BuckCherry are ripping off the sleaze and attitude, with none of the nuance or musicality. The Stones-y swagger Izzy gave GnR gave them a sound that was dangerous, but classic. BuckCherry just come across as brutish.
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  • supersonicyears
    supersonicyears Posts: 2,619
    I like Buckcherry.
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    want to be enlightened"
  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    catch22 wrote:
    ah, of course. they're cool because they were around in the 80s, and are safely old enough for you to risk saying you think they're cool. and it was cool for people to do it then, but not cool for people to do the same thing now.
    See what Rhinocerous said.

    And also add that no, in today's social climate, it is not cool. Pre-AIDS, glorifying grotesque levels of womanising and intravenous drug abuse was one thing, now it's just pathetic.
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • catch22
    catch22 Posts: 1,081
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    See what Rhinocerous said.

    And also add that no, in today's social climate, it is not cool. Pre-AIDS, glorifying grotesque levels of womanising and intravenous drug abuse was one thing, now it's just pathetic.

    kind of like how slavery was cool in the 1800s because they just didn't know better and now that we're all on a higher plane of existence it's bad eh?

    gotta love a good double standard.

    when buckcherry starts doing shots, chuck norris wets himself.
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  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Or, to put it more accurately, it was good when GnR did it, and BuckCherry are ripping off the sleaze and attitude, with none of the nuance or musicality. The Stones-y swagger Izzy gave GnR gave them a sound that was dangerous, but classic. BuckCherry just come across as brutish.
    I agree, Guns had a certain swagger to their music that brought them above Buckcherry.

    I do however enjoy listening to Buckcherry every once in a while!
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  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    catch22 wrote:
    kind of like how slavery was cool in the 1800s because they just didn't know better and now that we're all on a higher plane of existence it's bad eh?

    gotta love a good double standard.

    when buckcherry starts doing shots, chuck norris wets himself.
    Where's the double standard? It's not like in the 1800s people were like "hey, slavery is all good. it doesn't harm anyone" and then Lincoln came along and said "holy shit, these guys feel pain and emotional distress :eek:" is it? I'm pretty sure they just didn't care.

    Way to trivialise things though. Slavery =/= rock music. The point is, times change. Buck Cherry are a replica of an antique. A really shit one. When I want to view antiques, I'll look at proper ones. As sexy as you try to make their music sound, what is sexy about a band who, to the best of my knowledge, are actually married, portraying an image of being able to buy lots of Jack Daniels (oh hey, I can do that too) and sleep with 40 year-old chicks who used to be vaguely pretty, 20 years and a bout of syphilis ago?

    ROCK AND FUCKING ROLL EH?
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • catch22
    catch22 Posts: 1,081
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    Where's the double standard? It's not like in the 1800s people were like "hey, slavery is all good. it doesn't harm anyone" and then Lincoln came along and said "holy shit, these guys feel pain and emotional distress :eek:" is it? I'm pretty sure they just didn't care.

    Way to trivialise things though. Slavery =/= rock music. The point is, times change. Buck Cherry are a replica of an antique. A really shit one. When I want to view antiques, I'll look at proper ones. As sexy as you try to make their music sound, what is sexy about a band who, to the best of my knowledge, are actually married, portraying an image of being able to buy lots of Jack Daniels (oh hey, I can do that too) and sleep with 40 year-old chicks who used to be vaguely pretty, 20 years and a bout of syphilis ago?

    ROCK AND FUCKING ROLL EH?

    exactly, slavery isn't rock music. rock music is not some uber-sensitive artform. it's big, dumb, and fun. and buckcherry are big, dumb and fun. their songs are slick, they have great hooks and fun choruses. they're not as nasty as guns'n'roses because that's not what they want to be or are supposed to be. they're the best at what they do, hell they're the only at what they do. the only band out there making music that you can crank on a bar jukebox or blast at your party without depressing everyone with whiny lyrics about politics or how heartbroken you are. it's refreshing. it's like a good tall pint after a long day of listening to a pretentious indie tool lecture you. :)
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  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    catch22 wrote:
    exactly, slavery isn't rock music. rock music is not some uber-sensitive artform. it's big, dumb, and fun. and buckcherry are big, dumb and fun. their songs are slick, they have great hooks and fun choruses. they're not as nasty as guns'n'roses because that's not what they want to be or are supposed to be. they're the best at what they do, hell they're the only at what they do. the only band out there making music that you can crank on a bar jukebox or blast at your party without depressing everyone with whiny lyrics about politics or how heartbroken you are. it's refreshing. it's like a good tall pint after a long day of listening to a pretentious indie tool lecture you. :)
    Rock music isn't divided cleanly between mindless moron rock and whiney indie. If you think it is, and you're utterly opposed to the latter, then I guess you have to listen to Buck Cherry, and that's fine. Some of us look for a little more in our music.

    I don't just listen to music as entertainment, I rather like the creative side too. I have drunken partying shallow entertainment. I don't need my music to be a drunken party to enjoy it.
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    catch22 wrote:
    exactly, slavery isn't rock music. rock music is not some uber-sensitive artform. it's big, dumb, and fun. and buckcherry are big, dumb and fun. their songs are slick, they have great hooks and fun choruses. they're not as nasty as guns'n'roses because that's not what they want to be or are supposed to be. they're the best at what they do, hell they're the only at what they do. the only band out there making music that you can crank on a bar jukebox or blast at your party without depressing everyone with whiny lyrics about politics or how heartbroken you are. it's refreshing. it's like a good tall pint after a long day of listening to a pretentious indie tool lecture you. :)
    Yeah, real trailblazers, Buckcherry are...

    Ignoring the fact that they're blatantly not the only band out there making dumb-fun rock music, and the fact that they're really, really not the best at it - even if they were the only ones doing it today, the joy of jukeboxes and CD players is that you can still listen to GnR and Motley Crue (who are still making dumb fun rock music, I might add). Why listen to the lame, trying-too-hard modern equivalent, when the originals are still available, and at least 3000 times the band BuckCherry will ever be?
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  • catch22
    catch22 Posts: 1,081
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Yeah, real trailblazers, Buckcherry are...

    Ignoring the fact that they're blatantly not the only band out there making dumb-fun rock music, and the fact that they're really, really not the best at it - even if they were the only ones doing it today, the joy of jukeboxes and CD players is that you can still listen to GnR and Motley Crue (who are still making dumb fun rock music, I might add). Why listen to the lame, trying-too-hard modern equivalent, when the originals are still available, and at least 3000 times the band BuckCherry will ever be?

    then i ask you the same question dr. jeremy couldn't answer... who else is doing it?

    and for the record, where did i ever claim they were trailblazers of anything? i like them specifically because they aren't trailblazers. originality is overrated. it's an absurd term that can't be defined and leads people to listen to the kind of shit they play at hip indie record stores. last time i was in there, they had a record of dogs barking. i'm not joking. literally, nothing but dogs barking. that isn't music. that's some fucking moron trying to seem really hip and better informed. the two of you would have fit right in, debating the merits of that art and how ORIGINAL it is!
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  • catch22
    catch22 Posts: 1,081
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    Rock music isn't divided cleanly between mindless moron rock and whiney indie. If you think it is, and you're utterly opposed to the latter, then I guess you have to listen to Buck Cherry, and that's fine. Some of us look for a little more in our music.

    I don't just listen to music as entertainment, I rather like the creative side too. I have drunken partying shallow entertainment. I don't need my music to be a drunken party to enjoy it.

    neither do i. but i also don't immediately discount any music that is just a good funk drunken time to listen to. it would seem you do, as you couldn't identify anyone in the same vein that is acceptable to listen to, unless they were old enough to "not know better."

    what's doubly great is that you listen to hip hop, which has lyrics far more degrading and dangerous and objectifying women. of course, if a white rock band does it, they should know better. but when black people do it, it's cool and edgy.
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    catch22 wrote:
    then i ask you the same question dr. jeremy couldn't answer... who else is doing it?
    The Answer
    Backyard Babies
    Black Stone Cherry
    Silvertide

    To name but a few.
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  • catch22
    catch22 Posts: 1,081
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    The Answer
    Backyard Babies
    Black Stone Cherry
    Silvertide

    To name but a few.

    thanks! i'll look into them. always in for a good ass-kicking time. i've been pondering grabbing the black stone cherry cd for a while now.
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    catch22 wrote:
    and for the record, where did i ever claim they were trailblazers of anything? i like them specifically because they aren't trailblazers. originality is overrated. it's an absurd term that can't be defined and leads people to listen to the kind of shit they play at hip indie record stores. last time i was in there, they had a record of dogs barking. i'm not joking. literally, nothing but dogs barking. that isn't music. that's some fucking moron trying to seem really hip and better informed. the two of you would have fit right in, debating the merits of that art and how ORIGINAL it is!
    Yeah, sorry, you're not gonna catch me listening to a record of dogs barking. I enjoy dumb party music as much as anyone - at times. But I prefer, by a wide margin, music that has something to say, or some trace of creativity and subtlety. If I was given a choice between BC's Lit Up and My Morning Jacket's Evil Urges, I'm sure as hell gonna pick Evil Urges. Hell, I'd take MMJ over GnR most of the time.
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  • catch22
    catch22 Posts: 1,081
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Yeah, sorry, you're not gonna catch me listening to a record of dogs barking. I enjoy dumb party music as much as anyone - at times. But I prefer, by a wide margin, music that has something to say, or some trace of creativity and subtlety. If I was given a choice between BC's Lit Up and My Morning Jacket's Evil Urges, I'm sure as hell gonna pick Evil Urges. Hell, I'd take MMJ over GnR most of the time.

    i would take mmj over both bands in a heartbeat too. highly suspicious kicks ass. takes me back to george clinton! but lit up is a classic tune and i love it.
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  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    catch22 wrote:
    neither do i. but i also don't immediately discount any music that is just a good funk drunken time to listen to. it would seem you do, as you couldn't identify anyone in the same vein that is acceptable to listen to, unless they were old enough to "not know better."

    what's doubly great is that you listen to hip hop, which has lyrics far more degrading and dangerous and objectifying women. of course, if a white rock band does it, they should know better. but when black people do it, it's cool and edgy.
    I love listening to crappy rock music at parties and stuff but there's just a ton of music that does it better than Buck Cherry. It is of a certain time, that whole raunchy, sex-addled rock thing, as is the type of hip-hop you mention. I love 80s and 90s gangsta rap but the rap that I listen to from these days is generally not of that type because, unlike in the 90s, the mainstream, guns n' bitches brand of hip-hop has lost all sense of creativity. Buck Cherry are to Guns N' Roses as The Game is to Nas and Biggie. It's a mediocre pastiche. Of current hip-hop, I'm more interested in instrumental hip-hop and the more abstract stuff like Cannibal Ox and Aesop Rock. Same as rock music. There's nothing wrong with meaningless dumb fun but it's getting old. It looks particularly sad when the people making it are old. It's just laughable to me, the same way it's laughable watching Snoop Dogg these days. Your point about my enjoyment of hip-hop doesn't work.
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    catch22 wrote:
    i would take mmj over both bands in a heartbeat too. highly suspicious kicks ass. takes me back to george clinton! but lit up is a classic tune and i love it.
    Do you hit skip when they get all indie and vulnerable? :p
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  • catch22
    catch22 Posts: 1,081
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Do you hit skip when they get all indie and vulnerable? :p

    nope. they manage to do it without being whiny ppretentious pussies. though i do skip that one song on z about going over the hills and through the woods with the carnival music. it sucks.
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