I like Buckcherry, not a huge fan or anything, but I like them
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No current ones that spring to mind. I'm thinking of Appetite for Destruction era Guns n' Roses, The Replacements, that kind of thing. If you're making out like you're some kind of dangerous junkie sleazebag with AIDS, make music that sounds the same, not like a glossy Guitar Hero advert.
Perhaps our definition of "fun" differs but I don't get a huge kick of music that panders to the lowest common denominator.
ah, of course. they're cool because they were around in the 80s, and are safely old enough for you to risk saying you think they're cool. and it was cool for people to do it then, but not cool for people to do the same thing now.
ah, of course. they're cool because they were around in the 80s, and are safely old enough for you to risk saying you think they're cool. and it was cool for people to do it then, but not cool for people to do the same thing now.
Or, to put it more accurately, it was good when GnR did it, and BuckCherry are ripping off the sleaze and attitude, with none of the nuance or musicality. The Stones-y swagger Izzy gave GnR gave them a sound that was dangerous, but classic. BuckCherry just come across as brutish.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
ah, of course. they're cool because they were around in the 80s, and are safely old enough for you to risk saying you think they're cool. and it was cool for people to do it then, but not cool for people to do the same thing now.
See what Rhinocerous said.
And also add that no, in today's social climate, it is not cool. Pre-AIDS, glorifying grotesque levels of womanising and intravenous drug abuse was one thing, now it's just pathetic.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
And also add that no, in today's social climate, it is not cool. Pre-AIDS, glorifying grotesque levels of womanising and intravenous drug abuse was one thing, now it's just pathetic.
kind of like how slavery was cool in the 1800s because they just didn't know better and now that we're all on a higher plane of existence it's bad eh?
gotta love a good double standard.
when buckcherry starts doing shots, chuck norris wets himself.
Or, to put it more accurately, it was good when GnR did it, and BuckCherry are ripping off the sleaze and attitude, with none of the nuance or musicality. The Stones-y swagger Izzy gave GnR gave them a sound that was dangerous, but classic. BuckCherry just come across as brutish.
I agree, Guns had a certain swagger to their music that brought them above Buckcherry.
I do however enjoy listening to Buckcherry every once in a while!
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kind of like how slavery was cool in the 1800s because they just didn't know better and now that we're all on a higher plane of existence it's bad eh?
gotta love a good double standard.
when buckcherry starts doing shots, chuck norris wets himself.
Where's the double standard? It's not like in the 1800s people were like "hey, slavery is all good. it doesn't harm anyone" and then Lincoln came along and said "holy shit, these guys feel pain and emotional distress :eek:" is it? I'm pretty sure they just didn't care.
Way to trivialise things though. Slavery =/= rock music. The point is, times change. Buck Cherry are a replica of an antique. A really shit one. When I want to view antiques, I'll look at proper ones. As sexy as you try to make their music sound, what is sexy about a band who, to the best of my knowledge, are actually married, portraying an image of being able to buy lots of Jack Daniels (oh hey, I can do that too) and sleep with 40 year-old chicks who used to be vaguely pretty, 20 years and a bout of syphilis ago?
ROCK AND FUCKING ROLL EH?
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
Where's the double standard? It's not like in the 1800s people were like "hey, slavery is all good. it doesn't harm anyone" and then Lincoln came along and said "holy shit, these guys feel pain and emotional distress :eek:" is it? I'm pretty sure they just didn't care.
Way to trivialise things though. Slavery =/= rock music. The point is, times change. Buck Cherry are a replica of an antique. A really shit one. When I want to view antiques, I'll look at proper ones. As sexy as you try to make their music sound, what is sexy about a band who, to the best of my knowledge, are actually married, portraying an image of being able to buy lots of Jack Daniels (oh hey, I can do that too) and sleep with 40 year-old chicks who used to be vaguely pretty, 20 years and a bout of syphilis ago?
ROCK AND FUCKING ROLL EH?
exactly, slavery isn't rock music. rock music is not some uber-sensitive artform. it's big, dumb, and fun. and buckcherry are big, dumb and fun. their songs are slick, they have great hooks and fun choruses. they're not as nasty as guns'n'roses because that's not what they want to be or are supposed to be. they're the best at what they do, hell they're the only at what they do. the only band out there making music that you can crank on a bar jukebox or blast at your party without depressing everyone with whiny lyrics about politics or how heartbroken you are. it's refreshing. it's like a good tall pint after a long day of listening to a pretentious indie tool lecture you.
exactly, slavery isn't rock music. rock music is not some uber-sensitive artform. it's big, dumb, and fun. and buckcherry are big, dumb and fun. their songs are slick, they have great hooks and fun choruses. they're not as nasty as guns'n'roses because that's not what they want to be or are supposed to be. they're the best at what they do, hell they're the only at what they do. the only band out there making music that you can crank on a bar jukebox or blast at your party without depressing everyone with whiny lyrics about politics or how heartbroken you are. it's refreshing. it's like a good tall pint after a long day of listening to a pretentious indie tool lecture you.
Rock music isn't divided cleanly between mindless moron rock and whiney indie. If you think it is, and you're utterly opposed to the latter, then I guess you have to listen to Buck Cherry, and that's fine. Some of us look for a little more in our music.
I don't just listen to music as entertainment, I rather like the creative side too. I have drunken partying shallow entertainment. I don't need my music to be a drunken party to enjoy it.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
exactly, slavery isn't rock music. rock music is not some uber-sensitive artform. it's big, dumb, and fun. and buckcherry are big, dumb and fun. their songs are slick, they have great hooks and fun choruses. they're not as nasty as guns'n'roses because that's not what they want to be or are supposed to be. they're the best at what they do, hell they're the only at what they do. the only band out there making music that you can crank on a bar jukebox or blast at your party without depressing everyone with whiny lyrics about politics or how heartbroken you are. it's refreshing. it's like a good tall pint after a long day of listening to a pretentious indie tool lecture you.
Yeah, real trailblazers, Buckcherry are...
Ignoring the fact that they're blatantly not the only band out there making dumb-fun rock music, and the fact that they're really, really not the best at it - even if they were the only ones doing it today, the joy of jukeboxes and CD players is that you can still listen to GnR and Motley Crue (who are still making dumb fun rock music, I might add). Why listen to the lame, trying-too-hard modern equivalent, when the originals are still available, and at least 3000 times the band BuckCherry will ever be?
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
Ignoring the fact that they're blatantly not the only band out there making dumb-fun rock music, and the fact that they're really, really not the best at it - even if they were the only ones doing it today, the joy of jukeboxes and CD players is that you can still listen to GnR and Motley Crue (who are still making dumb fun rock music, I might add). Why listen to the lame, trying-too-hard modern equivalent, when the originals are still available, and at least 3000 times the band BuckCherry will ever be?
then i ask you the same question dr. jeremy couldn't answer... who else is doing it?
and for the record, where did i ever claim they were trailblazers of anything? i like them specifically because they aren't trailblazers. originality is overrated. it's an absurd term that can't be defined and leads people to listen to the kind of shit they play at hip indie record stores. last time i was in there, they had a record of dogs barking. i'm not joking. literally, nothing but dogs barking. that isn't music. that's some fucking moron trying to seem really hip and better informed. the two of you would have fit right in, debating the merits of that art and how ORIGINAL it is!
Rock music isn't divided cleanly between mindless moron rock and whiney indie. If you think it is, and you're utterly opposed to the latter, then I guess you have to listen to Buck Cherry, and that's fine. Some of us look for a little more in our music.
I don't just listen to music as entertainment, I rather like the creative side too. I have drunken partying shallow entertainment. I don't need my music to be a drunken party to enjoy it.
neither do i. but i also don't immediately discount any music that is just a good funk drunken time to listen to. it would seem you do, as you couldn't identify anyone in the same vein that is acceptable to listen to, unless they were old enough to "not know better."
what's doubly great is that you listen to hip hop, which has lyrics far more degrading and dangerous and objectifying women. of course, if a white rock band does it, they should know better. but when black people do it, it's cool and edgy.
and for the record, where did i ever claim they were trailblazers of anything? i like them specifically because they aren't trailblazers. originality is overrated. it's an absurd term that can't be defined and leads people to listen to the kind of shit they play at hip indie record stores. last time i was in there, they had a record of dogs barking. i'm not joking. literally, nothing but dogs barking. that isn't music. that's some fucking moron trying to seem really hip and better informed. the two of you would have fit right in, debating the merits of that art and how ORIGINAL it is!
Yeah, sorry, you're not gonna catch me listening to a record of dogs barking. I enjoy dumb party music as much as anyone - at times. But I prefer, by a wide margin, music that has something to say, or some trace of creativity and subtlety. If I was given a choice between BC's Lit Up and My Morning Jacket's Evil Urges, I'm sure as hell gonna pick Evil Urges. Hell, I'd take MMJ over GnR most of the time.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
Yeah, sorry, you're not gonna catch me listening to a record of dogs barking. I enjoy dumb party music as much as anyone - at times. But I prefer, by a wide margin, music that has something to say, or some trace of creativity and subtlety. If I was given a choice between BC's Lit Up and My Morning Jacket's Evil Urges, I'm sure as hell gonna pick Evil Urges. Hell, I'd take MMJ over GnR most of the time.
i would take mmj over both bands in a heartbeat too. highly suspicious kicks ass. takes me back to george clinton! but lit up is a classic tune and i love it.
neither do i. but i also don't immediately discount any music that is just a good funk drunken time to listen to. it would seem you do, as you couldn't identify anyone in the same vein that is acceptable to listen to, unless they were old enough to "not know better."
what's doubly great is that you listen to hip hop, which has lyrics far more degrading and dangerous and objectifying women. of course, if a white rock band does it, they should know better. but when black people do it, it's cool and edgy.
I love listening to crappy rock music at parties and stuff but there's just a ton of music that does it better than Buck Cherry. It is of a certain time, that whole raunchy, sex-addled rock thing, as is the type of hip-hop you mention. I love 80s and 90s gangsta rap but the rap that I listen to from these days is generally not of that type because, unlike in the 90s, the mainstream, guns n' bitches brand of hip-hop has lost all sense of creativity. Buck Cherry are to Guns N' Roses as The Game is to Nas and Biggie. It's a mediocre pastiche. Of current hip-hop, I'm more interested in instrumental hip-hop and the more abstract stuff like Cannibal Ox and Aesop Rock. Same as rock music. There's nothing wrong with meaningless dumb fun but it's getting old. It looks particularly sad when the people making it are old. It's just laughable to me, the same way it's laughable watching Snoop Dogg these days. Your point about my enjoyment of hip-hop doesn't work.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
i would take mmj over both bands in a heartbeat too. highly suspicious kicks ass. takes me back to george clinton! but lit up is a classic tune and i love it.
Do you hit skip when they get all indie and vulnerable?
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
Do you hit skip when they get all indie and vulnerable?
nope. they manage to do it without being whiny ppretentious pussies. though i do skip that one song on z about going over the hills and through the woods with the carnival music. it sucks.
Do you hit skip when they get all indie and vulnerable?
He's very selective with his contempt for this stuff. As I recall, he likes The Devil & God Are Raging Inside of Me by Brand New, a vulnerable, earnest, heartfilled, self-absorbed album if ever there was one
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
He's very selective with his contempt for this stuff. As I recall, he likes The Devil & God Are Raging Inside of Me by Brand New, a vulnerable, earnest, heartfilled, self-absorbed album if ever there was one
and very very angry and pissed off. it's closer to the afghan whigs... songs about what an asshole the singer is rather than how heartbroken he is.
nope. they manage to do it without being whiny ppretentious pussies. though i do skip that one song on z about going over the hills and through the woods with the carnival music. it sucks.
I think the problem is that you seemed to write off all "indie" music as pretentious and pussified, when you were probably just talking about bands like Vampire Weekend and The National - y'know, the stuff that really sucks. But then there are bands like MMJ and Sleater Kinney (RIP) who kick ass while still being "indie", to whatever extent.
He's very selective with his contempt for this stuff. As I recall, he likes The Devil & God Are Raging Inside of Me by Brand New, a vulnerable, earnest, heartfilled, self-absorbed album if ever there was one
Brand New are weird. I sometimes think they're good, I sometimes think they might might be good if I put some effort into listening, and I sometimes think they're rubbish.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
I think the problem is that you seemed to write off all "indie" music as pretentious and pussified, when you were probably just talking about bands like Vampire Weekend and The National - y'know, the stuff that really sucks. But then there are bands like MMJ and Sleater Kinney (RIP) who kick ass while still being "indie", to whatever extent.
Brand New are weird. I sometimes think they're good, I sometimes think they might might be good if I put some effort into listening, and I sometimes think they're rubbish.
i like the national. i hate sleater kinney.
i just hate hipsters. those record store morons acting like a dog barking is somehow compelling. and they're the same ones who love to hate on buckcherry for being low brow or whatever. those people need the sticks removed from their asses. or josh todd to fuck their girlfriends while they watch and cry and think about what vinyl they're going to play to perfectly encapsulate how they feel about it... maybe the one of sheep bleating this time.
and very very angry and pissed off. it's closer to the afghan whigs... songs about what an asshole the singer is rather than how heartbroken he is.
Just out of curiosity, how is assuming the listener gives a toss about how much you hate yourself for being an asshole any less of a whiney lame-ass thing to do than assuming the listener cares about your broken heart?
Don't you also like Twilight by Elliott Smith?
As long as the songs are well-written, there's nothing wrong with them being introverted and about heartbreak or whatever. Christ, rock music is derived directly from the blues and country music, both of which deal generally with unrequited love.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
Brand New are weird. I sometimes think they're good, I sometimes think they might might be good if I put some effort into listening, and I sometimes think they're rubbish.
I've never heard their earlier, apparently pop-punk stuff but the Devil & God is terrific. I was surprised by how good.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
i just hate hipsters. those record store morons acting like a dog barking is somehow compelling. and they're the same ones who love to hate on buckcherry for being low brow or whatever. those people need the sticks removed from their asses. or josh todd to fuck their girlfriends while they watch and cry and think about what vinyl they're going to play to perfectly encapsulate how they feel about it... maybe the one of sheep bleating this time.
I just love that you're getting on your high horse about hipsters getting on their high horses.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
Just out of curiosity, how is assuming the listener gives a toss about how much you hate yourself for being an asshole any less of a whiney lame-ass thing to do than assuming the listener cares about your broken heart?
Don't you also like Twilight by Elliott Smith?
As long as the songs are well-written, there's nothing wrong with them being introverted and about heartbreak or whatever. Christ, rock music is derived directly from the blues and country music, both of which deal generally with unrequited love.
i love that song. most of elliott smith's stuff. that's pain. i can't stand the theatrics of the flavors of the moment. it's less to do with subject matter and more to do with the bullshit pc-ness and hypocrisy of the people listening or performing it. they say buckcherry is bad because they're low brow and sing about drugs and sex, and that is deplorable and offensive. but their little indie act is just a ruse to try and get girls to fuck them while they talk about how sensitive they are and do ecstasy. buckcherry is at least honest about what they're in it for... the fun and the party. these other bands are like politicians, it's all an act from lame theater majors trying desperately to get laid with a different game. it's dishonest poser music. they're like the subject of this song:
i love that song. most of elliott smith's stuff. that's pain. i can't stand the theatrics of the flavors of the moment. it's less to do with subject matter and more to do with the bullshit pc-ness and hypocrisy of the people listening or performing it. they say buckcherry is bad because they're low brow and sing about drugs and sex, and that is deplorable and offensive. but their little indie act is just a ruse to try and get girls to fuck them while they talk about how sensitive they are and do ecstasy. buckcherry is at least honest about what they're in it for... the fun and the party. these other bands are like politicians, it's all an act from lame theater majors trying desperately to get laid with a different game. it's dishonest poser music. they're like the subject of this song:
Everything you said there is true, but not all rock music that isn't of the Buck Cherry sort is like what you just described, that's all I'm saying
I'd rather look for the stuff that isn't like that than listen to Buck Cherry.
I will concede however that, when really drunk, Kid Rock's All Summer Long is vaguely entertaining.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
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ah, of course. they're cool because they were around in the 80s, and are safely old enough for you to risk saying you think they're cool. and it was cool for people to do it then, but not cool for people to do the same thing now.
want to be enlightened"
And also add that no, in today's social climate, it is not cool. Pre-AIDS, glorifying grotesque levels of womanising and intravenous drug abuse was one thing, now it's just pathetic.
kind of like how slavery was cool in the 1800s because they just didn't know better and now that we're all on a higher plane of existence it's bad eh?
gotta love a good double standard.
when buckcherry starts doing shots, chuck norris wets himself.
I do however enjoy listening to Buckcherry every once in a while!
Way to trivialise things though. Slavery =/= rock music. The point is, times change. Buck Cherry are a replica of an antique. A really shit one. When I want to view antiques, I'll look at proper ones. As sexy as you try to make their music sound, what is sexy about a band who, to the best of my knowledge, are actually married, portraying an image of being able to buy lots of Jack Daniels (oh hey, I can do that too) and sleep with 40 year-old chicks who used to be vaguely pretty, 20 years and a bout of syphilis ago?
ROCK AND FUCKING ROLL EH?
exactly, slavery isn't rock music. rock music is not some uber-sensitive artform. it's big, dumb, and fun. and buckcherry are big, dumb and fun. their songs are slick, they have great hooks and fun choruses. they're not as nasty as guns'n'roses because that's not what they want to be or are supposed to be. they're the best at what they do, hell they're the only at what they do. the only band out there making music that you can crank on a bar jukebox or blast at your party without depressing everyone with whiny lyrics about politics or how heartbroken you are. it's refreshing. it's like a good tall pint after a long day of listening to a pretentious indie tool lecture you.
I don't just listen to music as entertainment, I rather like the creative side too. I have drunken partying shallow entertainment. I don't need my music to be a drunken party to enjoy it.
Ignoring the fact that they're blatantly not the only band out there making dumb-fun rock music, and the fact that they're really, really not the best at it - even if they were the only ones doing it today, the joy of jukeboxes and CD players is that you can still listen to GnR and Motley Crue (who are still making dumb fun rock music, I might add). Why listen to the lame, trying-too-hard modern equivalent, when the originals are still available, and at least 3000 times the band BuckCherry will ever be?
then i ask you the same question dr. jeremy couldn't answer... who else is doing it?
and for the record, where did i ever claim they were trailblazers of anything? i like them specifically because they aren't trailblazers. originality is overrated. it's an absurd term that can't be defined and leads people to listen to the kind of shit they play at hip indie record stores. last time i was in there, they had a record of dogs barking. i'm not joking. literally, nothing but dogs barking. that isn't music. that's some fucking moron trying to seem really hip and better informed. the two of you would have fit right in, debating the merits of that art and how ORIGINAL it is!
neither do i. but i also don't immediately discount any music that is just a good funk drunken time to listen to. it would seem you do, as you couldn't identify anyone in the same vein that is acceptable to listen to, unless they were old enough to "not know better."
what's doubly great is that you listen to hip hop, which has lyrics far more degrading and dangerous and objectifying women. of course, if a white rock band does it, they should know better. but when black people do it, it's cool and edgy.
Backyard Babies
Black Stone Cherry
Silvertide
To name but a few.
thanks! i'll look into them. always in for a good ass-kicking time. i've been pondering grabbing the black stone cherry cd for a while now.
i would take mmj over both bands in a heartbeat too. highly suspicious kicks ass. takes me back to george clinton! but lit up is a classic tune and i love it.
nope. they manage to do it without being whiny ppretentious pussies. though i do skip that one song on z about going over the hills and through the woods with the carnival music. it sucks.
and very very angry and pissed off. it's closer to the afghan whigs... songs about what an asshole the singer is rather than how heartbroken he is.
Brand New are weird.
i like the national. i hate sleater kinney.
i just hate hipsters. those record store morons acting like a dog barking is somehow compelling. and they're the same ones who love to hate on buckcherry for being low brow or whatever. those people need the sticks removed from their asses. or josh todd to fuck their girlfriends while they watch and cry and think about what vinyl they're going to play to perfectly encapsulate how they feel about it... maybe the one of sheep bleating this time.
Don't you also like Twilight by Elliott Smith?
As long as the songs are well-written, there's nothing wrong with them being introverted and about heartbreak or whatever. Christ, rock music is derived directly from the blues and country music, both of which deal generally with unrequited love.
i love that song. most of elliott smith's stuff. that's pain. i can't stand the theatrics of the flavors of the moment. it's less to do with subject matter and more to do with the bullshit pc-ness and hypocrisy of the people listening or performing it. they say buckcherry is bad because they're low brow and sing about drugs and sex, and that is deplorable and offensive. but their little indie act is just a ruse to try and get girls to fuck them while they talk about how sensitive they are and do ecstasy. buckcherry is at least honest about what they're in it for... the fun and the party. these other bands are like politicians, it's all an act from lame theater majors trying desperately to get laid with a different game. it's dishonest poser music. they're like the subject of this song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dyeHESSjQM
their first album is laughably bad. their second one is very good with some misses. that last one is gold.
I'd rather look for the stuff that isn't like that than listen to Buck Cherry.
I will concede however that, when really drunk, Kid Rock's All Summer Long is vaguely entertaining.