Alice In Chains New Studio Album

Brisk.

NOCODE#1 wrote:

this is great news if you liked cantrells solo albums

otherwise this isnt FUCKING ALICE IN CHAINS

WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND IT!

PLEASE!

why isn't is AIC?

Is pearl jam pearl jam becuase they dont have krusen ?

justam

Why should Jerry have to stop playing his own songs? His life has to go on and people want to hear the AIC songs despite the fact that Layne died.

I think his emotional response to his friend's death kept him from thinking about his own life for long enough. Give him credit for waiting so long!

Deaderman

Godammned A-men.

facepollution wrote:

Life is too short to be worrying about whether or not it's appropriate or not for a band to get back together with a new singer - shit you people do realise there are people dying in wars and starving to death in this world, don't you?! For me, the ONLY issue here, is whether the music is good or not. I could give a tiny rat's arse what they label it as, so long as the music is good, that's all that really matters. Nobody's about to forget Layne in a hurry, the guy's music touched a whole generation of people.

Another thing that really pisses me off is the ridiculous assumption that they are doing it just for the money. I somehow doubt that they are running out of cash, considering the MILLIONS of albums they've sold. Considering their background and the type of music they made, they don't strike me as the kind of people who give a shit about making massive pots of cash anyway, they seem far more about the music.

Jeremy1012

I BrisK I wrote:

why isn't is AIC?

Is pearl jam pearl jam becuase they dont have krusen ?

It's hardly the same thing. What contribution did Krusen have to the songs on Ten? they were written before the band came together. Are you seriously comparing Layne's role in AIC to Dave Krusen? Whether you care to admit it or not, AIC is not the same without him.

facepollution

Jeremy1012 wrote:

It's hardly the same thing. What contribution did Krusen have to the songs on Ten? they were written before the band came together. Are you seriously comparing Layne's role in AIC to Dave Krusen? Whether you care to admit it or not, AIC is not the same without him.

Who cares if it's not the same? The Pearl Jam that released Ten were VASTLY different to the band that released Riot Act. Things change. The only thing I expect to be the same, is the quality of the music. DuVall is a great singer and writer in his own right, and from seeing them live, they clearly have a great chemistry together.

And to the person who said it's basically a Jerry Cantrell solo album, well if we're getting technical here, he was always the dominant song writer in the band anyway, so it's going to be no more a Jerry Cantrell album than Dirt was.

Mike_Muse_Rage

I can't wait for a new album. Jerry's solo stuff was ace so here's hoping for some more killer tunes. Oh, and a UK tour would be AWESOME!

Edved82

Delighted that Jerry Mike and Sean are getting back together for a new album.

Not so delighted at the thoughts of them continuing under the name Alice In Chains. Why not change to another name? As someone else said, any AIC fan will know who they are.

It would be more respectful to retire the name AIC after touring last year.

RIP Layne

Igottago

Mike_Muse_Rage wrote:

I can't wait for a new album. Jerry's solo stuff was ace so here's hoping for some more killer tunes. Oh, and a UK tour would be AWESOME!

Jerry's solo stuff was horrible. He is not a frontman, he needs someone with more soul to fill up his songs. Fortunately Layne was the perfect complimentary piece to the puzzle. I'm not sure how the new guy will be, but he's got some big shoes to fill.

soulsinging

edved82 wrote:

Delighted that Jerry Mike and Sean are getting back together for a new album.

Not so delighted at the thoughts of them continuing under the name Alice In Chains. Why not change to another name? As someone else said, any AIC fan will know who they are.

It would be more respectful to retire the name AIC after touring last year.

RIP Layne

yeah, a bunch of aging over-the-hill putzes who are hung up on the good old days will know who they are. nobody else would. keeping the name means jerry gets to hang onto his legacy and it means people might give the material a listen that otherwise never would have heard it. it means radio stations will at least give the single a chance becos they can play it as the new alice in chains, rather than them having to do the bullshit payola runaround to get their single heard. it makes sense to me.

how is it disrespectful to layne for the band to keep using the name? their success was just as much theirs as it was layne's. you think he's sitting in the afterlife going "those fucking pricks... i've never been so insulted!" i think it more likely he's happy they're making music together again and doesn't give a fuck what name they use. the only people who are upset about it are the loser trekkie fanboys who act like the band is THEIR band, not the band members' and who presume to know more about what layne would want and find disrespectful than the people who actually knew layne. and my opinion is that you all can 1) go fuck yourselves and 2) not buy the album if it's such an affront to your morals. maybe if layne hadn't seen fit to inject himself full of a lethal dose of heroin, we wouldn't have this problem cos they'd be able to tour.

justam

edved82 wrote:

Delighted that Jerry Mike and Sean are getting back together for a new album.

Not so delighted at the thoughts of them continuing under the name Alice In Chains. Why not change to another name? As someone else said, any AIC fan will know who they are.

It would be more respectful to retire the name AIC after touring last year.

RIP Layne

My thought is that it's a practical thing.

Jerry toured as "Jerry Cantrell" after his other cds...he played new stuff and the old AIC songs...he didn't get as much of an audience as he's probably getting under the name Alice in Chains. Despite the fact that he's still playing his own songs!

Since he probably wants people to come and has found that more people come to listen when he's touring with the Alice in Chains name, why shouldn't he?

godpt3

edved82 wrote:

Delighted that Jerry Mike and Sean are getting back together for a new album.

Not so delighted at the thoughts of them continuing under the name Alice In Chains. Why not change to another name? As someone else said, any AIC fan will know who they are.

I think if Jerry, Mike and Sean wanted to continue on as a 3-piece and call it Alice in Chains, it would be cool. Jerry's solo stuff was always amazing and he's a pretty good singer in his own right (ie., Heaven Beside You). It's just the fact that they're literally replacing Layne with this new guy that burns me a little.


Still can't wait to hear it, though.

godpt3

GR8Dane wrote:

It is too bad that Pink Floyd continued on after Syd passed, or AC/DC after Bon.... So many more.... Why bash? Deal with it, or dont listen. It is up to you.....

At least Creed had the decency to change their name after they booted Scott Stapp.

Of course, by that point the Creed name was more of a liability than a help.

The Severed Hand

Yeah

Jeremy1012

facepollution wrote:

Who cares if it's not the same? The Pearl Jam that released Ten were VASTLY different to the band that released Riot Act. Things change. The only thing I expect to be the same, is the quality of the music. DuVall is a great singer and writer in his own right, and from seeing them live, they clearly have a great chemistry together.

And to the person who said it's basically a Jerry Cantrell solo album, well if we're getting technical here, he was always the dominant song writer in the band anyway, so it's going to be no more a Jerry Cantrell album than Dirt was.

Ok, I can only speak for my opinion here but Layne WAS Alice in Chains for ME. He is the reason I listen to them. Also, he wrote the same amount of songs on Dirt as Jerry did, lyrically speaking. As such, I think some legacies are better left alone. I'd probably feel less strongly if Jerry just handled all the vocals because Layne is irreplacable. Just my opinion. I would sure hate for the guys to release an album of new material with Duvall under the AIC moniker and for it to ruin such a legacy if it wasn't up to scratch.

facepollution

Jeremy1012 wrote:

Ok, I can only speak for my opinion here but Layne WAS Alice in Chains for ME. He is the reason I listen to them. Also, he wrote the same amount of songs on Dirt as Jerry did, lyrically speaking. As such, I think some legacies are better left alone. I'd probably feel less strongly if Jerry just handled all the vocals because Layne is irreplacable. Just my opinion. I would sure hate for the guys to release an album of new material with Duvall under the AIC moniker and for it to ruin such a legacy if it wasn't up to scratch.

You say Layne was AIC for you, but without Jerry and the others there wouldn't have been any songs for him to sing, so your logic is a tad skewed. You might have enjoyed his contribution most, but one listen to Degradation Trip proves that Jerry was the most pivotal member in terms of creating that sound.

How would they 'ruin' the legacy anyway? Did Pearl Jam ruin their legacy by releasing (insert your least favourite album name here - in my view Riot Act)? I think not.

I understand why people get so attached to music, and in the case of AIC, the nature of Layne's death was so tragic. But for me, music is at its best when we're not throwing labels at it, and it just is what it is - it either moves you or it doesn't. You can sit there contemplating the moral choice in keeping the name, or you can forget all that bull shit, which ultimately means nothing, and concentrate on the music.

The whole recording under the same name thing, like somebody else said, comes down to practicality. If the band want to keep performing their back catalog live they need to keep the same name, but obviously they can't just be touring the same material forever, they need some new tunes. So if they've found someone they have a good chemistry with it totally makes sense to record with that person. Try looking at it as a new phase. There's nothing to say that if Layne were still around, that they wouldn't have put out a below par album, it happens to the best bands, no big deal. I know I'll catch some flack for this, but I don't think the self-titled record was on par with Dirt or Jar Of Flies, but that alone isn't suddenly going to tarnish my views of those records.

CopTheRiotAct

You guys should til they actually release the album or not, before you decide whether it shouldn't be called Alice in chains or not.

Mr. DuVall (sp?) sounds excellent on the songs i've heard him cover. A lot like Layne, but its not just a imitation. Just give them a chance first.

MLC2006

the topic starter asked to discuss the album and leave the "it's not AIC without Layne" crap by the wayside and here we've got 3 pages of "it's not AIC without Layne". proof positive that a high percentage of PJ fans aren't bright.

Jerry started it, and if he says it's AIC, then it's AIC.

I will buy the album the day it comes out and if they come around here, I'll be at the show. they've played here twice in the past year...once full on and once acoustic. I went to full on show and it was better than any of the 3 PJ shows I've been to. if they can put on a better show than PJ with a "replacement singer", then that's pretty damn good imo.

I liked both Jerry's solo albums, and you could definitely tell Jerry Cantrell was the man at the wheel. but I hope this album will be more AIC-esque with more vocal harmonies and heavier guitar parts. "Degradation Trip" was definitely more AIC-esque, and I liked "Boggy Depot" but it was definitely more "AIC lite". I think Duvall is a very talented singer and guitarist and will add a whole new dimension to AIC.

if you're a naysayer, please don't buy the album or go to the shows and just fuck off.

btb002

Rooster, Over Now, Got Me Wrong, and The Killer Is Me? I think Alice will be in capable hands. Honestly, songs with Jerry on lead vox have more of a lasting impression on me. So I'm curious. Even more so than Smashing Pumpkin album I'm yet to even touch, or as much as download to test it out.

mouthfulofsoup

Jeremy1012 wrote:

Ok, I can only speak for my opinion here but Layne WAS Alice in Chains for ME. He is the reason I listen to them. Also, he wrote the same amount of songs on Dirt as Jerry did, lyrically speaking. As such, I think some legacies are better left alone. I'd probably feel less strongly if Jerry just handled all the vocals because Layne is irreplacable. Just my opinion. I would sure hate for the guys to release an album of new material with Duvall under the AIC moniker and for it to ruin such a legacy if it wasn't up to scratch.

Well said. AIC is not AIC w/out Layne, period. Just like Blind Melon is not Blind Melon without Shannon. I searched for "Soup" on Youtube the other day & found that asshat new singer singing it with the guys. Fucking sickening.

itsevobaby

i'm looking forward to it, i'll listen with eagerly anticipating ears, if it speaks to me then great! a new AIC record!! if it doesn't, it doesn't, no biggie. bring it on.