Bob Dylan

Indifference71

AceCool said:

Wma31394 said:

Is so overrated in everything artistic he does...i also think his rating as an A hole is justified..

It is such amazingly ignorant bullshit when someone tags a musician or performer as overrated simply because they don't like the artistic output. Overrated means lauded for talent when in fact the artist actually has none (sorta like KISS). It would be one thing if Wma just said "I don't like Bob Dylan's music", that's fair. But to say he is overrated in everything he does is ridiculously disingenuous. The man was literally the voice of a generation and was a direct inspiration and influence for countless big time musicians from the 60s onwards to today. Al Kooper, who played the famous organ line on Like A Rolling Stone described his desperation to be a part of that recording session by referring to Dylan as the 5 star general of the revolution and himself as a mere foot soldier. No matter what you may think about him he's still Bob Fucking Dylan, easily one of the greatest musicians of all time.

Oh no! Someone has a different opinion than you! This forum is so fucking childish at times.

AceCool

Indifference71 said:

AceCool said:

Wma31394 said:

Is so overrated in everything artistic he does...i also think his rating as an A hole is justified..

It is such amazingly ignorant bullshit when someone tags a musician or performer as overrated simply because they don't like the artistic output. Overrated means lauded for talent when in fact the artist actually has none (sorta like KISS). It would be one thing if Wma just said "I don't like Bob Dylan's music", that's fair. But to say he is overrated in everything he does is ridiculously disingenuous. The man was literally the voice of a generation and was a direct inspiration and influence for countless big time musicians from the 60s onwards to today. Al Kooper, who played the famous organ line on Like A Rolling Stone described his desperation to be a part of that recording session by referring to Dylan as the 5 star general of the revolution and himself as a mere foot soldier. No matter what you may think about him he's still Bob Fucking Dylan, easily one of the greatest musicians of all time.

Oh no! Someone has a different opinion than you! This forum is so fucking childish at times.

I suppose what some people regard as childish other people could regard a board populated with people who are quick to overreact and have undeveloped reading comprehension skills. I never once said anything like "you're opinion is wrong because we have a different opinion". He claimed that Bob Dylan was the most overrated artist in everything he does. I argued that just because he personally didn't like Dylan's music (which he said as much) does not make him overrated. I made the point that if he didn't like BD's music that's his prerogative. There is a huge difference between "I don't like his music" and "he's overrated". I then went on to explain that Bob Dylan is not overrated but is, in fact, literally highly rated.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Bob Dylan played in Arizona last night and my buddy who's there said he was awful. My buddy typically likes anything live.

He was awful when I saw him too. I left a third into his set- no kidding.

I respect the fact that he has respect from countless people and peers, but I never did get into him as hard as I tried.

I like his No Mercy album mid 80s and can tolerate many of his classics, but he's not on any of my devices and never will be.

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Bob Dylan played in Arizona last night and my buddy who's there said he was awful. My buddy typically likes anything live.

He was awful when I saw him too. I left a third into his set- no kidding.

I respect the fact that he has respect from countless people and peers, but I never did get into him as hard as I tried.

I like his No Mercy album mid 80s and can tolerate many of his classics, but he's not on any of my devices and never will be.

He's terrible live nowadays, aside from his harmonica skills, but that doesn't change the poetry that entranced the nation.

Spiritual_Chaos

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Bob Dylan played in Arizona last night and my buddy who's there said he was awful. My buddy typically likes anything live.

He was awful when I saw him too. I left a third into his set- no kidding.

I respect the fact that he has respect from countless people and peers, but I never did get into him as hard as I tried.

I like his No Mercy album mid 80s and can tolerate many of his classics, but he's not on any of my devices and never will be.

I admit, I also think he's terrible live. But I sort of respect him for going out and doing his thing even if it is terrible. And I respect the fans who have accepted the terribleness and found some kind of fascination with it live.

I have never seen as many people leave an arena, as when I saw him live in Malmoe in 2013 or whenever it was.

weddingparade

it's about respect. i also haven't been a fan of his live shows since he stopped playing the guitar. seen him more than 15 times over a 30 year time span. loved when he played with the dead and with tpah.

Wma31394

Where's Bob?? No acknowledgement of winning/receiving the Nobel prize?? Where's Bob?

weddingparade

Wma31394 said:

Where's Bob?? No acknowledgement of winning/receiving the Nobel prize?? Where's Bob?

why do you even care?

Wma31394

After our discussions last week that he's overrated this news story caught my attention..

AceCool

Wma31394 said:

After our discussions last week that he's overrated this news story caught my attention..

Look, we get it dude. You have no appreciation for Bob Dylan, you've made that abundantly clear. You also have no concept of what the term overrated means.

weddingparade

Wma31394 said:

After our discussions last week that he's overrated this news story caught my attention..

why do you continue to spread your personal negativity here?

PJ_Soul

So I saw a little story on the morning news today about how Dylan hasn't acknowledged the nobel prize at all. Apparently they are trying to get a hold of him and they can't, lol. He hasn't made any kind of statement on stage (he's on tour), or to any press. Nothing. I wonder how he feels about it?? Does he not want it perhaps? It's not like he hasn't accepted awards before, so I'm not sure why he wouldn't want it (is there some kind of political negativity around Nobel prizes for literature? If it were the Nobel Peace Prize or something, okay, but for literature? I can't think of any problem with that). Perhaps he simply hates all the media attention/stupid controversy it's caused. I can't believe there are people who disapprove of the choice btw, as though songwriting isn't literature. Puh-lease!

Wma31394

weddingparade said:

Wma31394 said:

After our discussions last week that he's overrated this news story caught my attention..

why do you continue to spread your personal negativity here?

Are you serious? I just gave my opinion and you and a few others disagree...no biggy. Bob is overrated (I understand the meaning of the word) and I'll stick to it. Good day.

Wma31394

PJ_Soul said:

So I saw a little story on the morning news today about how Dylan hasn't acknowledged the nobel prize at all. Apparently they are trying to get a hold of him and they can't, lol. He hasn't made any kind of statement on stage (he's on tour), or to any press. Nothing. I wonder how he feels about it?? Does he not want it perhaps? It's not like he hasn't accepted awards before, so I'm not sure why he wouldn't want it (is there some kind of political negativity around Nobel prizes for literature? If it were the Nobel Peace Prize or something, okay, but for literature? I can't think of any problem with that). Perhaps he simply hates all the media attention/stupid controversy it's caused. I can't believe there are people who disapprove of the choice btw, as though songwriting isn't literature. Puh-lease!

Perhaps he thinks he's too good for the award just like he thinks he's too good to meet bands that open for him on tour?? I think it was jim James who said that Bob's people asked his band not to disturb Bob and they did a whole your with him and didn't even talk to him..maybe it was Jeff tweddy..

goldrush

I'm not a big fan of Dylan's voice - he's one of the few songwriters where I almost always prefer cover versions to the originals - but you can't doubt the impact his songs have had on more than one generation.

It's a literature award and he is definitely one of the great storytellers. If he wrote poems or stories instead of songs this wouldn't even be a discussion.

lolobugg

Bob Dylan is GOD.
it takes a while to get it, but when you do you realize the depth.
I think he has sounded better live in the last 2 years than the last 15 before that.
Playing a static set in theaters does wonders for his sound.

rgambs

PJ_Soul said:

So I saw a little story on the morning news today about how Dylan hasn't acknowledged the nobel prize at all. Apparently they are trying to get a hold of him and they can't, lol. He hasn't made any kind of statement on stage (he's on tour), or to any press. Nothing. I wonder how he feels about it?? Does he not want it perhaps? It's not like he hasn't accepted awards before, so I'm not sure why he wouldn't want it (is there some kind of political negativity around Nobel prizes for literature? If it were the Nobel Peace Prize or something, okay, but for literature? I can't think of any problem with that). Perhaps he simply hates all the media attention/stupid controversy it's caused. I can't believe there are people who disapprove of the choice btw, as though songwriting isn't literature. Puh-lease!

He is very much into serious literature, he didn't pull "Dylan" out of nowhere!
I wonder if he doesn't feel worthy or if he is just trying to process it and find the right response.

weddingparade

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filter/world-exclusive-bob-dylan---ill-be-at-the-nobel-prize-ceremony-i/

PJ_Soul

Now we all get to wonder if he's going to make some kind of protest speech at it or something, haha.

bluegrace

Going to a Dylan afternoon today, we will be listening to Dylan songs of our choice, read the lyrics and discuss. Will be fun.