Oasis - Dig Out Your Soul

ccRyderzz

xSmackSoundx wrote:

Wow... I don't even like Oasis... but I have to say this album is very very very good.

Which individual human beings who are victims of military mind control
research do we already know? Harold Blauer, the tennis pro who was
killed. Frank Olson who was killed because he jumped through a window
because he took LSD mixed with Cointro by Sidney Gottlieb,
administrative Head of MKULTRA who I talked to on the telephone. When
was the Olson family compensated? He died in 1955 or something. They
were compensated by the President in 1977 I think it was. The reason the
wife and surviving children figured that in fact this was not a simple
suicide was they read the Rockefeller Report on CIA activities published
in 1975 in which the case was described without him being named. So,
they are reading the Rockefeller Report, and they realize their
husband/father was actually killed by experimental LSD and they are
compensated for 3/4 of a million dollars. One of the people who
testified at the Committee hearings at the S enate in 1975 was a
technician for Amadeo Morazzi who was the guy who w as the Head of
Edgeware Arsenal where Paul Hawk got his LSD and mescaline from who was
funded by the Air Force while he was at the University of Minnesota.
His research assistant whose name is Mary Ray(sp) was given a dose of
experimental LSD which resulted in an acute psychotic state for which
she was admitted to hospital for which I have her medical records, and I
am in contact with her lawyer and I am going to go up and get her story
in more detail. She talks about a room that was involved in the LSD
research called "The Leaf Room" so when you were on your LSD trip that
was administered by Amadeo Morazzi you were taken into the Leaf Room
which was a room where all surfaces of the room were totally covered
with leaves. This is weird stuff. She also was connected into a bunch
of other stuff. I am not going to go into all of it, because it is a
little weird, but it is two hops from Mary Ray to Iran Contra. So she is
a real person who exists. I know her lawyer. I talked to her lawyer on
the phone. I am going to fly up there. I am going to interview her. I
have her medical records. And the way this works is the stuff that is
happening now is not going to be declassified for 20 or 30 years.
Eventually we will have the names of people who were victims of
experiments in the 70's and 80's and 90's. We already have the names for
the 50's and 60's, not really into the 70's. We have the names of
specific people who were victims of the Tuscagee Syphilis Study and the
radiation experiments into the 70's. That's the way it goes. You are
just pushing back that curtain and there's always this lag time because
you are relying on the views of the Intelligence Community or public
apathy ... "it was back in the Cold War" "it's different now" "we joined
the boy scouts and we don't do that anymore". So there is always a
disinformation strategy for wh y it happened a long time ago and we
don't do it now and we are very regretful and we are so regretful that
we in fact agree to compensate these victims. In Oregon there was a
prison where men were paid to be subjects to participate in radiation
experiments. Their testicles had been irradiated so they would get paid
a certain fee to participate in the radiation of their testicles.
Special arrangements were made so Catholics couldn't participate in the
study because they couldn't use birth control so they might give birth
to genetically mutated children ... so it had to be only non-Catholic
participants. There was an extra fee, it was a little bit fatter, if you
would agree to testicle biopsy to see if the radiation was dropping the
sperm count. When 9 of these people pressed their case to the State
Legislature in Oregon in either the late 70's or early 80's, in its
magnanimity, the Legislature agreed to compensate them for a total of
$3000 for all nine subjects. So this is the way it goes in trying to
document this stuff and trying to make it public and identify the
specific individuals. IT'S A BIG SLOW JOB. And when you make Freedom of
Information requests it's like interacting with any Federal Bureaucracy.

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petrocs

To all my frieds from Chicago...you know what to do after reading this:

Oasis, "Dig Out Your Soul" (Reprise) 1 and 1/2 Stars

Q. What's the difference between Oasis and Lenny Kravitz?

A. A Mancunian accent.

Wait, that's a bit unfair: America's hippie-dippy retro-rocker never wrote a classic-rock rip-off/homage as powerful as those on "(What's the Story) Morning Glory?," the 1995 album that, it has long since become clear, is the best main man Noel Gallagher will ever give us. But neither Noel nor Lenny is the least bit concerned with stretching his artistic horizons.

"It's a working-class thing ... I'm not an experimenter," Noel said in one recent Gallagherism, while in another, he noted, "I'm trying salmon, that's as far as my interest in new things goes."

Fair enough, mate. But if that's the case, why the heck should we bother to buy your seventh album of alleged new material?

Blatantly unoriginal or not, if Noel could continue to deliver singles as mindlessly catchy as "Wonderwall" and "Champagne Supernova," Oasis would still be a guilty but genuine pleasure 17 years after it emerged during the heyday of Britpop and alternative rock. But "Dig Out Your Soul" is a plodding and lazy disc, with the rhythms too enervated to rise above the bombast of the wall of guitars, the melodic drones not nearly melodic enough and Noel contributing a mere six of the 11 tunes. (Brother Liam's three are, as has often been the case, eminently dismissible; the same is true of Gem Archer's sitar-decorated "To Be Where There's Life" and, sadly, "The Nature of Reality" by bassist Andy Bell, who proved as guitarist and co-leader of the late, great Ride that he was capable of infinitely better than this tossed-off blues stomper.)

What does that leave us? Well, we can assert that "Dig Out Your Soul" is a (slightly) better disc than the other three Oasis has given us in the new millennium, but that certainly is damning with faint praise. We can play the laughable lyrics game. ("Love is a litany, a magical mystery"; "Gotta get me a doctor with a remedy / I'm gonna take a walk with the Monkey Man!"; "I hear your soul song singing from a fire in the sky.") Or we can count the references to the boys' heroes. (The riff from the Doors' "Five to One" pilfered for "Waiting for the Rapture"; the John Lennon sample in "I'm Outta Time"; the "White Album" vibe of "(Get Off Your) High Horse Lady"; the "Dear Prudence" coda in "The Turning.")

Im Outta Time - Oasis

Then again, we could just admit it isn't worth the effort, since Oasis itself clearly can't be bothered to break a sweat on our behalf.

Jim DeRogatis

lowlight10

petrocs wrote:

To all my frieds from Chicago...you know what to do after reading this:

I didnt even bother to finish reading that. fuck critics. why would I care what someone else thinks of a movie or album?

1STmammal2wearPants

very much diggin this album....standouts are 'waiting for the rapture,' '(get off your) high horse lady,' 'to be where there's life,' 'i'm outta time,' and 'the nature of reality.' to be where there's life has an awesome, awesome bassline. haven't listened to much oasis outside of wtsmg, but this one's definitely one of their strongest works......

walkunafraid

Just picked up the record a few days ago. I've listened to it once, and besides "I'm Outta Time," it didn't really thrill me.

BUT some of my favorite albums weren't mindblowing the first time through, so I'll definitely give it a few more listens before coming to a final opinion.

Any songs in particular I should be paying attention to?

pjoasisrule

petrocs wrote:

To all my frieds from Chicago...you know what to do after reading this:

Oasis, "Dig Out Your Soul" (Reprise) 1 and 1/2 Stars

Q. What's the difference between Oasis and Lenny Kravitz?

A. A Mancunian accent.

Wait, that's a bit unfair: America's hippie-dippy retro-rocker never wrote a classic-rock rip-off/homage as powerful as those on "(What's the Story) Morning Glory?," the 1995 album that, it has long since become clear, is the best main man Noel Gallagher will ever give us. But neither Noel nor Lenny is the least bit concerned with stretching his artistic horizons.

"It's a working-class thing ... I'm not an experimenter," Noel said in one recent Gallagherism, while in another, he noted, "I'm trying salmon, that's as far as my interest in new things goes."

Fair enough, mate. But if that's the case, why the heck should we bother to buy your seventh album of alleged new material?

Blatantly unoriginal or not, if Noel could continue to deliver singles as mindlessly catchy as "Wonderwall" and "Champagne Supernova," Oasis would still be a guilty but genuine pleasure 17 years after it emerged during the heyday of Britpop and alternative rock. But "Dig Out Your Soul" is a plodding and lazy disc, with the rhythms too enervated to rise above the bombast of the wall of guitars, the melodic drones not nearly melodic enough and Noel contributing a mere six of the 11 tunes. (Brother Liam's three are, as has often been the case, eminently dismissible; the same is true of Gem Archer's sitar-decorated "To Be Where There's Life" and, sadly, "The Nature of Reality" by bassist Andy Bell, who proved as guitarist and co-leader of the late, great Ride that he was capable of infinitely better than this tossed-off blues stomper.)

What does that leave us? Well, we can assert that "Dig Out Your Soul" is a (slightly) better disc than the other three Oasis has given us in the new millennium, but that certainly is damning with faint praise. We can play the laughable lyrics game. ("Love is a litany, a magical mystery"; "Gotta get me a doctor with a remedy / I'm gonna take a walk with the Monkey Man!"; "I hear your soul song singing from a fire in the sky.") Or we can count the references to the boys' heroes. (The riff from the Doors' "Five to One" pilfered for "Waiting for the Rapture"; the John Lennon sample in "I'm Outta Time"; the "White Album" vibe of "(Get Off Your) High Horse Lady"; the "Dear Prudence" coda in "The Turning.")

Im Outta Time - Oasis

Then again, we could just admit it isn't worth the effort, since Oasis itself clearly can't be bothered to break a sweat on our behalf.

Jim DeRogatis

I pretty much agree with this review except that I think this is their worst album and that for the most part, the other albums of this millenium were still pretty good, at least SOTSOG and HC were.

pdalowsky

I'm a big Oasis fan, I can be honest enough to say this is no masterpiece but its still good.

Oasis are unfortunate to have set themselves an extremely high bar, their two first records are deemed classics....How many bands can say they have done that in modern times?

anyway this record hits a lot then misses a lot, but one thing is for sure, falling down is Noels best effort this century

petrocs

walkunafraid wrote:

Just picked up the record a few days ago. I've listened to it once, and besides "I'm Outta Time," it didn't really thrill me.

BUT some of my favorite albums weren't mindblowing the first time through, so I'll definitely give it a few more listens before coming to a final opinion.

Any songs in particular I should be paying attention to?

The Turning...best song

fada

They are playing Slane in Ireland

lowlight10

fada wrote:

They are playing Slane in Ireland

I REALLY hope they turn this into a DVD.

did any of the American fans here buy the deluxe box set?

petrocs

lowlight10 wrote:

I REALLY hope they turn this into a DVD.

did any of the American fans here buy the deluxe box set?

not yet but i will be

petrocs

According to German website mediatraffick Oasis' new album has recorded the largest sales increase in last week's global album sales market. Below are the numbers for the top 3 artists charting in the United World Chart

Album Chart

week 43 / 2008 - October 25

The top-selling albums according to global sales data and national album charts

issue date: October 16, 2008



Last Week's rank 17
week 2 Oasis - Dig Out Your Soul
Big Brother - Sales 349.000 - 1 week at No.1 - Largest Sales Increase


Last Week's rank 1

week 2 T.I. - Paper Trail
Grand Hustle / Atlantic - Sales 198.000


Last weeks rank 3 / 1

week 5 Metallica - Death Magnetic
Vertigo / Warner Bros. - Sales 194.000

petrocs

OK I got the deluxe album this weekend...Boy With The Blues is incredible and it should've been on the album!

57Goldtop

The first listen, I thought this CD was ok.

Now, I think it's great. Especially after hearing it live (listened to the MTV Wembley broadcast).

Stand out tracks for me are:

FALLING DOWN......love this one, absolutely love it, reminds me of radiohead
Waiting For The Rapture
The Turning.......why isn't this played live?
Shock of the Lightning
Bag it up........why isn't this played live either?
Nature of Reality
I'm outta time.....Liam can't sing this live, but it's great on the record

Only songs I can say that I don't like are High Horse Lady, Soldier on and I think Ain't got nothing and To be where there's life are just ok

petrocs

man this is a tough sell after week 1 in the US...already dropped to 67..

cc10106

this is Oasis' best album of the 2000s. i'll admit i was a little disappointed to not hear more songs with Noel singing the lead vox, which i'm gonna guess is a problem for many haters right now. it's still light years ahead of DBTT and HC.

pjoasisrule

cc10106 wrote:

this is Oasis' best album of the 2000s. i'll admit i was a little disappointed to not hear more songs with Noel singing the lead vox, which i'm gonna guess is a problem for many haters right now. it's still light years ahead of DBTT and HC.

You are joking right? Easily their worst album. It gets worse with each listen.

catefrances

pjoasisrule wrote:

You are joking right? Easily their worst album. It gets worse with each listen.

what? youre saying dig out your soul isnt up to par?
im fucking loving it. totally fucking loving it.

pjoasisrule

catefrances wrote:

what? youre saying dig out your soul isnt up to par?
im fucking loving it. totally fucking loving it.

At least half the songs are bad, the rest are average, and nothing would even be included in the top 50 Oasis songs. The album is lacking melodies, hooks, and lyrics.

catefrances

pjoasisrule wrote:

At least half the songs are bad, the rest are average, and nothing would even be included in the top 50 Oasis songs. The album is lacking melodies, hooks, and lyrics.

im telling liam what you said and hes gonna kick your arse.