Audioslave

muppet

I don't know what happened to Brad Wilk. I loved his drumming in Rage, but in Audioslave it was just the same beat over and over again.

clarefromscotland

searchlightsoul wrote:

Still more often than not Morello just failed to 'get' what the song was about and fit a solo appropriately. Now you can argue that its subjective, but I think that most people can agree whether a song is upbeat or whatever. Morello is a great guitarist, but too often in AS it seemed that his solo's were less about the song than a need to be the centre of attention. Was there an AS song without a guitar solo? Says something I think.

Yes, I do agree with you to some extent. Some of the solos were very "look at me" and not terribly related to the mood of the song. But I think he was improving and learning and becoming a more subtle and sensitive musician: it was the rhythm section, especially Wilk, who really let the side down.

nowayimfaithfull

harmless_little_f*** wrote:

So let me get this straight... this band deserves a lot more credit for 1 good album.. even if it's not as good as Rage or Soundgarden? Not sure what you'e saying there... but OK!

Its very good mainstream rock its super creative for that genre. Its light years ahead of just about any new mainstream rock band out there. But some peopel have grown away from that sound. they do not like mainstream music. I think all 3 albums are great, but I can see why some dont like it, what I dont get is the people that bash it around here are the same ones ripping pj for not being more radio friendly.

nowayimfaithfull

muppet wrote:

I don't know what happened to Brad Wilk. I loved his drumming in Rage, but in Audioslave it was just the same beat over and over again.

He improved on the second album greatly.

nowayimfaithfull

searchlightsoul wrote:

I don't think that it is coincidence that Cornell's latest solo album as average as it is in parts, exhibits a lot more complexity musically than anything Audioslave produced. With rage, the simplicity works but when shifted towards a more melodic sound there was a lot of 'dead space' in the music where nothing was happening.

Morello just seemed to me, unable (or perhaps unwilling) to move beyond the big riff rockers, when I felt that there was an oppurtunity to expand on alot of the really great blues influenced stuff the band produced on the later half of the debut.

I dont think as a band they wanted to go in this direction, I agree with you, but I always got the opinion the band wanted to be a great mainstream band and tour their ass of and get back to the level of their beggining bands. chris obviously wanted more, I thought Chris could have waited aftert a small tour to break the band up.

harmless_little_f***

nowayimfaithfull wrote:

Its very good mainstream rock its super creative for that genre. Its light years ahead of just about any new mainstream rock band out there. But some peopel have grown away from that sound. they do not like mainstream music. I think all 3 albums are great, but I can see why some dont like it, what I dont get is the people that bash it around here are the same ones ripping pj for not being more radio friendly.

I personally wish PJ were *less* radio friendly.. Avocado was way too mainstream for me.

harmless_little_f***

muppet wrote:

I don't know what happened to Brad Wilk. I loved his drumming in Rage, but in Audioslave it was just the same beat over and over again.

I don't think he was that spectacular in Rage. Rage was the sum of its parts.. the drumming in itself was far from complex.

clarefromscotland

nowayimfaithfull wrote:

I always got the opinion the band wanted to be a great mainstream band and tour their ass of and get back to the level of their beggining bands. chris obviously wanted more, I thought Chris could have waited aftert a small tour to break the band up.

I don't think the band wanted to "tour their asses off". Apart from the Cuba trip and one early Australian visit (I think they squeezed in a single show in Japan), Audioslave only ever played North America and the obvious places in Europe. CC's solo tour has been much more extensive and visited far more places, from South America and South Africa to Iceland and Northern Scandinavia, places like Tromso. CC has said the reason he didn't go to a lot of these places before was because he could never persuade the members of either Soundgarden or Audioslave to do it.

nowayimfaithfull

harmless_little_f*** wrote:

I personally wish PJ were *less* radio friendly.. Avocado was way too mainstream for me.

I see what you are saying, but on this pit people go nuts over that topic.

nowayimfaithfull

clarefromscotland wrote:

I don't think the band wanted to "tour their asses off". Apart from the Cuba trip and one early Australian visit (I think they squeezed in a single show in Japan), Audioslave only ever played North America and the obvious places in Europe. CC's solo tour has been much more extensive and visited far more places, from South America and South Africa to Iceland and Northern Scandinavia, places like Tromso. CC has said the reason he didn't go to a lot of these places before was because he could never persuade the members of either Soundgarden or Audioslave to do it.

I though the whole image of the band exploded on the second album, they came through the philly area 3 times, comparred to sg it was alot. I got the impression the band was looking to become very popular in the mainstream circuit, they pumped up their fan club enormously. As far as europe I dont know.

muppet

harmless_little_f*** wrote:

I don't think he was that spectacular in Rage. Rage was the sum of its parts.. the drumming in itself was far from complex.

I don't mean he was more complex in Rage (in fact, nothing ruins a song more for me than unnecessairly complex drumming). I don't know what it is (perhaps it's maybe becuase Rage were more hip hop infulenced?) but songs like "People Of The Sun" and "Mic Check" really benefited from his intense drumming. I never got that feeling in Audioslave.

And Morellos stuff in Rage wasn't all just big fucking crazy solos. There's something hypnotic about the "Settle For Nothing" and "Without A Face" solos.

Edved82

Not a fan of Wilk at all, his drumming really only fits a song like Cochise, with a massive riff and bassline, with lots of space. He sounds like a one trick pony to me on most RATM and Audioslave stuff.

And Morello is one of my favourite guitarists, his playing is unique to me, and he's written some incredible riffs. Solos-wise, he's okay, I really like the Doesnt Remind Me solo, but on the other hand, the solo in Original Fire is ridiculous, just totally doesnt fit the song. But as a riff-writer, he's up there with the best.

Anyone know if RATM are doing a new album? I think Cornell brought out a lot of melody in the Rage guys, it'd be interesting to see how they would work now with Zach, after working with a proper singer.

Duder5k

I remember the first time I saw Collateral, back in '05. Hearing Shadow Of The Sun during that scene where Max and Vincent are driving down that lonely Los Angeles road in the middle of the night..it was incredible. From that point on I was hooked. It really brought me down when they broke up.

And I'll be honest. While Cornells solo tour is fantastic and I'm happy that the RAGE guys are doing good again, I really wish they'd get back together. What a bummer. Really miss these guys.

pdalowsky

think audioslave were fucking awesome,

anything involving Tom morello tends to be, damn the guy can also do a sol record that sounds ok....

Number 18

I miss them already. I was soooooooooo bummed when they did not do a tour after Revelations. :(