arcade fire

Alex_Coe

Arcade Fire: BLAH

musicismylife78

living in a commune isnt going to change the world. I believe that things in the world have gotten out of control. To continue to live my life as if things are fine is not doing anything as well. As I said, the most radical and political decision a person can make right now in history, is to decide to opt out of the system, to drop out, to turn on, tune in and drop out as they used to say in the 60's. To say, "hey the system doesnt work for me". I think thats where its at.

In my view if I was president people there would be a million communes of maybe 20 to 30 people. Thats why I am moving there. I think thats how my life should be lived. I dont see the use in getting a conventional job, getting a car, buying the white house, with the white picket fence, and having 2.5 kids. That all is nonsense to me. Its counterproductive and its acting like nothing is happening.

I already told you why I dont identify as an adult. They are everything I despise. They are the boomers that told their parents that they were sell outs, and then became sell outs themselves. They are the boomers who said to their parents, "bring our brothers home from vietnam", yet now send my brothers and sisters to iraq without a care in the world. They are the boomers who get jobs and ignore the chaos outside. I dont want a part of that. Thats death. Thats not life. And its a lie. I want to live on a commune, with nature and my fellow communers. Thats life.

I am just amazed at how this discussion evolved. I praised Win Butler's lyrics for being pro-children in an age where children's thoughts are ignored. And Soulsinging like a complete idiot lies and says "no there are no such lyrics". I mean give me a goddamn break.

The lyrics of Arcade Fire are talking about how parents and adults corrupted society. its plain as day. If soulsinging cant see that, then soulsinging has some major problems both in terms of literacy and in terms of being blind to the truth.

As I said before. Kids cant be elected. Their arent senators and congresspeople who are in their 20's. Its older people who are cutting down old growth forests, who are in support of the WTO and free trade, who are sending kids to iraq. Its clear to me who I should blame, the question in my mind is, why in the world shouldnt I blame adults for the world's ills.

Name me some reasons why kids are to blame for Iraq, for global warming, for Free Trade, for racism, sexism and homophobia? Seems to me kids have no power and as such, adults have all the power. Thus the blame rests on them. When was the last time kids signed legislation to send other kids to Iraq? When was the last time kids signed legislation to mow down old growth forests? When was the last time kids signed legislation to build dams thats harm salmon?

rmnsf936

Here's a except from the popwatch blog (http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2007/02/arcade_fire.html)

"Now, a couple days later, the magic and mystery of the show are fading, but I can't wait to get my hands on a copy of Neon Bible that does not belong to my colleague Michael Endelman, because he just came and took his back. I believe it drops March 6. Warm up your wallets, PopWatchers; it'll be worth it. On the PopWatch Concert Ratings Scale, with 1 being the cell phone of the lady next to you who's picking out a new ringtone and 10 being Pearl Jam at The Gorge, I give the Arcade Fire an 8.5. Canada + Texas + angst = AWESOMENESS."

soulsinging

Cheguevara6 wrote:

sure as hell has to do with adults. Who is taking those kids innocence? It aint other kids! Its the goddamn adults who send them to war and make them grow up way too soon.

Growing up doesnt have to mean loss of innocence. Its absurd to think otherwise.

If you admit there are clear references to loss of innocence in the music, who is Win Butler indicting then? From my reading he has never said in interview or otherwise what you seem to suggest, that loss of innocence is inevitable, and that it isnt adults to blame. He isnt saying parents or adults are great people. Thats how I read it.


to lose one's innocence, to realize the world is messed up, is what I feel and am angry as hell about it. I lost my innocence. But it didnt have to be that way. If the world was run by people who felt racism wasnt acceptable, or felt sending kids off to die in war wasnt good, or felt degredation of women was unexceptable, or even felt that women could be presidents, loss of innocence wouldnt exist. Utopia can exist. It should exist. Its what No Cars Go is about.

So I guess you dont think "All thats sacred comes from youth". Well tell me, my friend, if kids were running the world. If an 19 year old were president, and all 23 year olds were senators and congresspeople would we be more likely or less likely to be in the mess we are in. Children are innocent. They havent sold out like grouchy old people. They have a sense of exhuberance that is terrific.

Kids dont want war. Adults do and always have.

I still dont understand how someone can see those lyrics and say, "hey this song is a critique of youth and adults". Adults dont lose innocence. They already lost it.

I was sold a pack of lies, we all were. Of the world we were supposed to inherit. That everything was fair. And just as Tyler Durden said, we are waking up to that fact and we are really really pissed off.

Kids see the pack of lies and they see them for what they are, complete and utter crap,

I applaud Win Butler for being a voice of reason, for speaking for youth and speaking for us.

Adults dont listen to kids. Period. If they did, our world would be a hell of alot better. I said it before, and I will say it again. I and others are at war with anyone who identifies as an adult. As long as 50 year olds send kids to die in this war I am at war with those jerks. They have two choices. One, they step down, and say I am sorry. Or two, we force them out. It has become clear to me, the second option is the only option. And Win Butler proudly stands up for all of us of that persuasion. Us kids do know, and we have woken up.

I am sick of adults ruining my life. I am sick of seeing daily a 19 year old kid died in a war 50 year olds started. I am sick of 50 year olds ignoring the pleas of the youth. I am just sick of adults acting like they can ruin our lives and not have to pay the consequences. Kids know whats up. We know. And we know that adults ruined it. Selling out and death is all I see adults as. I want to live my life. I want to live. And I will be damned if the adults continue to massacre my entire generation, while I sit here twindling my thumbs.

How can someone trust an adult? They are old, and most of those in office right now are nearly dead. They are old, 20 years left in their lives most likely. They lived their lives. And they have the goddamn gall to to me and others that I cant live how I want to live and that I am forced to live in a world that continues to feel violence is the answer and that kids are disposable.

Thats whats so great about Arcade Fire. Kids arent disposable to them. Kids are wisdom and truth. How can people continue to put faith in old folks who feel we dont deserve to live essentially. Otherwise why would our generations death ellicit little response from these old folks. We are disposable to them. The sooner we overthrow them and take over, or the sooner they die off, the better

who's paying for you internet and your college? since you've made it clear you never worked a day in your life, i know it isn't you. so adults are providing you the education to be aware of these issues. adults are making the music that you claim is inspiring you to move for change. adults are paying for your internet access to get on here and whine about how mean they are to you. are you in iraq? is your life on the line? no. you're in college, working towards a degree that is being paid for by adults adults on a computer bought by adults enraged becos of music written by adults.

no, all that's sacred does not come from youth. the adults are doing the best they can in a world with a lot of fucked up people. they're not perfect and neither are you.

soulsinging

Cheguevara6 wrote:

who is tool railing against in "the pot" with that "fat finger you must have been outta your mind". It sure isnt the youth they are mad at! Its the same people Win Butler is railing against. Adults! eddie vedder on the storytellers show, railed against "adults playing b.s. games". He sure wasnt blaming the youth. Ben Harper spoke of "old men who send young men off to die in vain". He wasnt blaming youth. The Dixie Chicks talk about kids who lose their innocence from watching war. They didnt blame youth

Seems like I am not the only one trying to foment some kind of rebellion here. I am merely saying what alot of people are saying. That adults screwed up the world, and that they must account for that

every generation has been convinced the adults dont know what the fuck they're doing and they could run it better. then when those kids take over, they manage no better than the adults. reality has a way of being a bitch like that. you are the only one trying to foment rebellion... otherwise it would be happening. it isnt.

soulsinging

Cheguevara6 wrote:

Name me some reasons why kids are to blame for Iraq, for global warming, for Free Trade, for racism, sexism and homophobia? Seems to me kids have no power and as such, adults have all the power. Thus the blame rests on them. When was the last time kids signed legislation to send other kids to Iraq? When was the last time kids signed legislation to mow down old growth forests? When was the last time kids signed legislation to build dams thats harm salmon?

name me some reason kids even know what homosexuality is? name me one kid who is capable of managing international finance. shit, mom packs their lunch, you think they're able to cure poverty?

direwolf74

soulsinging wrote:

who's paying for you internet and your college? since you've made it clear you never worked a day in your life, i know it isn't you. so adults are providing you the education to be aware of these issues. adults are making the music that you claim is inspiring you to move for change. adults are paying for your internet access to get on here and whine about how mean they are to you. are you in iraq? is your life on the line? no. you're in college, working towards a degree that is being paid for by adults adults on a computer bought by adults enraged becos of music written by adults.

no, all that's sacred does not come from youth. the adults are doing the best they can in a world with a lot of fucked up people. they're not perfect and neither are you.

Well said. Labelling all adults as "bitter old men who are destroying the planet" is ignorant and unfair. I'm 32 (an adult, god forbid!), and much like my friends and family, I'm trying to do my small part to make the world a better place, whether it's by voting in every election or helping out with various charity organizationis. I feel I'm doing the best I can, and that's really all you can do.

Oh, and Cheguevara6 might be a little shocked by this, but I really like the Arcade Fire. I know I'm a crusty old adult and their lyrics aren't supposed to speak to me, but they do. Is that allowed?

soulsinging

direwolf74 wrote:

Well said. Labelling all adults as "bitter old men who are destroying the planet" is ignorant and unfair. I'm 32 (an adult, god forbid!), and much like my friends and family, I'm trying to do my small part to make the world a better place, whether it's by voting in every election or helping out with various charity organizationis. I feel I'm doing the best I can, and that's really all you can do.

Oh, and Cheguevara6 might be a little shocked by this, but I really like the Arcade Fire. I know I'm a crusty old adult and their lyrics aren't supposed to speak to me, but they do. Is that allowed?

no it's not! you soulless aging sellout... i hope you burn in hell for ruining che's life!

electronblue

direwolf74 wrote:

Well said. Labelling all adults as "bitter old men who are destroying the planet" is ignorant and unfair. I'm 32 (an adult, god forbid!), and much like my friends and family, I'm trying to do my small part to make the world a better place, whether it's by voting in every election or helping out with various charity organizationis. I feel I'm doing the best I can, and that's really all you can do.

Oh, and Cheguevara6 might be a little shocked by this, but I really like the Arcade Fire. I know I'm a crusty old adult and their lyrics aren't supposed to speak to me, but they do. Is that allowed?

...In the light of a golden calf,
Oh God! I had to laugh!
Take the poison of your age
Don't lick your fingers when you turn the page...~

musicismylife78

throughout music there are always those who rain on peoples parade. Those who said Eddie and Kurt were making music that resonated with them, there were others who criticized the music, and called it hyped crap. There are those in the inner city who feel hip hop is an accurate representation of their lives, and their are jerks who say the music is nothing more than glorified thug music. There are those who are female and are empowered by feminist music like Ani Difranco, and there are jerks who call her antigay names and slurs.

There has always been bands who speak to and for the youth, and there are those who listen and take heed, and others who laugh and make fun.

This thread is full of people who criticize and are jerks. And its full of people who act coy and snotty and arrogant and act difficult to piss people off...cough...soulsinging...cough...

but anyways...

you dont feel arcade fire speaks for the youth, fine dont post in the thread. Thats fine with me. Dont attack me.

Listen to britney spears or justin timberlake or something, but dont rain on my parade soul.

Excuse me for taking Win Butler's statements about youth's seriously. Obviously the band sings songs just for comic relief. They have no agenda, no social or political ideas. And I must have been hallucinating when reading about how political win butler, and must have had my ears full of wax when listening to neon bible with its overtly political lyrics and references to youth and adults. Sorry...I must have been off base.

I love how so many on this board consider lies to be truth and yell at others because they are so brainwashed. If you are some antigay proamerica loving, gun loving, meat loving person fine disagree with the lyrical content and the political aspects, but dont act silly and deny what the lyrics say and talk about.

Win Butler and Arcade fire are a band whcih wears its politics on its sleeve. If thats not your cup of tea, dont yell at me about it. Throw your cd out the window, and find a new band.

I have always loved how Pearl jam fans, are always the most intolerant, and arrogant people. Instead of respecting others, they are rude and mean. I post a thread and people come, axes and blades in hand and attack me for my opinions. I mean, give me a goddamn break.

soulsinging

Cheguevara6 wrote:

throughout music there are always those who rain on peoples parade. Those who said Eddie and Kurt were making music that resonated with them, there were others who criticized the music, and called it hyped crap. There are those in the inner city who feel hip hop is an accurate representation of their lives, and their are jerks who say the music is nothing more than glorified thug music. There are those who are female and are empowered by feminist music like Ani Difranco, and there are jerks who call her antigay names and slurs.

There has always been bands who speak to and for the youth, and there are those who listen and take heed, and others who laugh and make fun.

This thread is full of people who criticize and are jerks. And its full of people who act coy and snotty and arrogant and act difficult to piss people off...cough...soulsinging...cough...

but anyways...

you dont feel arcade fire speaks for the youth, fine dont post in the thread. Thats fine with me. Dont attack me.

Listen to britney spears or justin timberlake or something, but dont rain on my parade soul.

Excuse me for taking Win Butler's statements about youth's seriously. Obviously the band sings songs just for comic relief. They have no agenda, no social or political ideas. And I must have been hallucinating when reading about how political win butler, and must have had my ears full of wax when listening to neon bible with its overtly political lyrics and references to youth and adults. Sorry...I must have been off base.

I love how so many on this board consider lies to be truth and yell at others because they are so brainwashed. If you are some antigay proamerica loving, gun loving, meat loving person fine disagree with the lyrical content and the political aspects, but dont act silly and deny what the lyrics say and talk about.

Win Butler and Arcade fire are a band whcih wears its politics on its sleeve. If thats not your cup of tea, dont yell at me about it. Throw your cd out the window, and find a new band.

I have always loved how Pearl jam fans, are always the most intolerant, and arrogant people. Instead of respecting others, they are rude and mean. I post a thread and people come, axes and blades in hand and attack me for my opinions. I mean, give me a goddamn break.

sorry dude, im not throwing out my arcade fire cd becos my interpretation of the music doesnt jive with your nutty political agenda. i like them becos their music rocks and features touching lyrics that deal with the ADULT themes of growing up, losing innocence, and coping with loss and frustration. and i laso like the fact that you have NO answer whatsoever to the truth of this:

"who's paying for you internet and your college? since you've made it clear you never worked a day in your life, i know it isn't you. so adults are providing you the education to be aware of these issues. adults are making the music that you claim is inspiring you to move for change. adults are paying for your internet access to get on here and whine about how mean they are to you. are you in iraq? is your life on the line? no. you're in college, working towards a degree that is being paid for by adults adults on a computer bought by adults enraged becos of music written by adults.

no, all that's sacred does not come from youth. the adults are doing the best they can in a world with a lot of fucked up people. they're not perfect and neither are you."

what's the matter college boy? dont like being called out for being all talk?

glasshouse

neon bible is brilliant, can't stop listening to it.
i think it is more consistent/interesting than funeral

intodeep

Anyone know what time they are hitting the stage now adays? I'm seeing them tonight and i don't think i'll make the 8pm show time. I'm assuming opening band plays then they hit stage at 9.

Anyone know for sure?

clayton12

Im going tonight as well and i think they go on around 9-915. cant fricken wait. ive got great seats and i have been looking to this concert for a long ass time.

intodeep

If anyone has any doubts about this band please go see them live. I have seen them twice and they are incrediable.

Todd76

intodeep wrote:

If anyone has any doubts about this band please go see them live. I have seen them twice and they are incrediable.

2 weeks from tonight - can't freakin wait

....not sure if this show will be able to eclipse the first time I saw them.....my seats suck (obstructed view) and the first time I got to see Final Fantasy AND Wolf Parade open.....BUT i'm really excited about hearing the new material live

Danimal

Arcade Fire IS AWESOME! If you like Dashboard Confessional you will DEFINITELY love this band!

DOSW

intodeep wrote:

If anyone has any doubts about this band please go see them live. I have seen them twice and they are incrediable.

Damn, I passed up the opportunity to see them in Philly in two days. The only way I could have gotten tickets was through eBay, so I figured it wasn't worth it... but I'll end up regretting it, I'm sure. It's like Pearl Jam's 2006 tour all over again!

JonnyPistachio

All the talk of Arcade Fire on the board made me go out and get Neon Bible, and I have a few other songs from the other record from a mix a friend gave me. It seemed like it just wasnt growing on me fast enough, but I keep telling myself I need to give it another chance.

And here I am reading these responses, when I decided to randomly put on an arcade fire song...I chose Wake Up. It's one bad ass/weird song. I think it might be that I was only listening in my car. I needed a different perspective.

Any other song I should dig into right NOW?

soulsinging

Danimal wrote:

Arcade Fire IS AWESOME! If you like Dashboard Confessional you will DEFINITELY love this band!

if dashboard confessional annoys you, you will still love this band!