arcade fire

reeferchief

Che not to be funny and I agree with a lot of your points, but surely if you felt apart of the grunge movement, you're an adult age now, no?

musicismylife78

i guess so, i am 23 but i dont like being called an adult. Read my political posts on moving train. I view adults with suspicion and anger. I feel they made a mess of the world. i call myself a youth, and identify as such. As ed said "all thats sacred comes from youth". I live and breath that motto.

I was really young during the early 90's, but I felt a part of it. I was 10 when kurt died. I didnt attend the concerts or see pearl jam live or nirvana live, but i felt a part of that movement. And thats what mattered. I felt the bands were speaking about what i felt as a kid then. And now I feel like arcade fire are speaking to me and to the new generation coming up.

indeed i admit i am hyping this band with sky high expectations but as I said before, its hard to believe in stuff these days, and this band seems like something I can believe in

Jeremy1012

Cheguevara6 wrote:

And to act like Win Butler is just talking about getting drunk, doing drugs and typical rock crap, then you are naive, my friend. He isnt talking about that.

when the hell did I say that? did you entirely miss the part where I said I love Arcade Fire? All I said was that for all these bands might WISH to start a revolution, its really never going to happen. Even when the world really needs it, for example during vietnam in the sixties, and we had a genuine, serious, musical revolution, the world still went on stagnating. The Arcade Fire and RATM are never going to change the world. they might change the perspectives of many people but its still a small drop in a huge ocean.

I for one think that Morello's comments suggesting that the coinciding of Rage's demise with the state of america today was somehow linked were laughably pompous and self-important. Rage had some brilliant songs but no one who actually has a say in this world give a shit what Tom Morello thinks. this isn't to say that I have a problem with bands with a political message. by all means they should do all they can to try and change the way people think but we shouldn't go about pretending that they are achieving or will achieve things that are beyond their means. I know this sounds like apocalyptic doom-mongering but its the way I see it. you are, of course, entitled to your opinions.

reeferchief

Cheguevara6 wrote:

i guess so, i am 23 but i dont like being called an adult. Read my political posts on moving train. I view adults with suspicion and anger. I feel they made a mess of the world. i call myself a youth, and identify as such. As ed said "all thats sacred comes from youth". I live and breath that motto.

I was really young during the early 90's, but I felt a part of it. I was 10 when kurt died. I didnt attend the concerts or see pearl jam live or nirvana live, but i felt a part of that movement. And thats what mattered. I felt the bands were speaking about what i felt as a kid then. And now I feel like arcade fire are speaking to me and to the new generation coming up.

indeed i admit i am hyping this band with sky high expectations but as I said before, its hard to believe in stuff these days, and this band seems like something I can believe in

I'm glad you feel the music that deeply, I would agree that Win's lyrics are very strong, have you watched the vid I posted of them covering The Clash's, Guns Of Brixton? it's a really good cover and a strong song that fits in the lyrical sense which you speak of in the Arcade Fire's writing, I'm nearly 30, it's not all adults that have got the world this way just a select few, a minority with the power of a majority, unfortunately.

musicismylife78

cool, i will check out the video of the guns of brixton. sounds cool

electronblue

'neon bible' is awesome! i sure hope to catch one of their 'live' shows...~

soulsinging

Cheguevara6 wrote:

i am hyping arcade fire so much because I feel they are the voice of me right now, or are writing songs that fit my view of the world. Although many people may disagree, I feel they are voicing our generations ideas just as Ed and Kurt did back in the day.

As for acting like they are revolutionary. When you make an album that is explicitly political as Arcade Fire did, and have a song where you state over and over again "i dont wanna live in my fathers house no more...i dont wanna live in america no more...i dont wanna fight in a holy war" or make songs that tell kids to "wake up" or make songs that say "I know a place where no cars go...us kids know", its really not up to the listener to decide it. Arcade fire created these songs. I didnt. And to act like Win Butler is just talking about getting drunk, doing drugs and typical rock crap, then you are naive, my friend. He isnt talking about that.

I feel many others are responding to arcade fire in the same manner. They arent placating our generation. They arent making fun of us. They are talking about escaping this crap that we live in everyday and moving to a utopia.

And excuse me for bringing up revolution in a thread about "RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE"! Wow, sorry to interupt the thread. I didnt know that talking about politics and revolution didnt fit when discussing a band whose stated goal was to ignite a revolution.

I really dont know what your getting at. Rage made music and according to Morello got back together to start a revolution. I didnt chip any revolutionary crap. Morello did. And as for Arcade fire, listen to their songs, read a Win Butler interview, and its clear they are wanting fans to dance and have a good time, but they also are speaking DIRECTLY to and about the world we live in right now.

When Win Butler says "Children, wake up, hold your mistake up
Before they turn the summer into dust" I have a feeling he isnt just talking about something silly, he is talking about something real.

I have high hopes for this band. And I feel I am not alone in this. Its great to have a band that actually cares.

funeral was inspired by the death of a loved one and about coping with loss. there was nothing political about it. you need a dose of reality man. you're more out of touch with it than i was when i was campaigning for ralph nader and smoking enough pot to make the whole world peaceful.

soulsinging

Cheguevara6 wrote:

I think thats why the hype for this band is so cool. Its not filler, its not marketing hype. These guys are the real deal.

I get so excited about it, because maybe you have been living in a cave for the last few years but with the exception of pearl jam and a few others the music scene has really sucked. I felt a part of the early 90's grunge movement. It changed my life. The music was honest and real. Then it died out. And its been crap in music for awhile. Then Arcade Fire comes out, and makes these two brilliant records that are full of rockin tunes, and they have a message of that children know better than adults and that adults are screwing up the planet. Thats really seductive to me, and really appealing and I think it would be naive not to think their are others who feel the same way.

I like feeling good about music. And its nice to see a band that deserves recognition, actually get it.

adults stink and children should rule the world? i've got a song for you... you'll love it. it's right on point with your message... adults are so cruel and they just dont get how HARD it is to be a teenager in the richest country in the world. so this one's for you man... it says everything you've been wanting to say:

parents just dont understand- will smith

Jeremy1012

soulsinging wrote:

so this one's for you man... it says everything you've been wanting to say:

parents just dont understand- will smith

ooh... burn. I wouldn't have gone that far
I kind of agree though

musicismylife78

so when you listen to "wake up" or "windowsill" or "no cars go" you get the feeling that Win Butler is talking about something else? I get the strong feeling of youth vs adults or young vs old on both albums. Its clear Fineral was inspired by deaths in the bands families but to argue that 'wake up" isnt an explicit call for youth to rise up is frankly crap. Absolute bunk and poppycock.

As for arcade fire not being political, have you even read an interview with the band, and have you even looked at their lyrics? To say "I dont wanna fight a holy war...i dont wanna live in america no more" thats about as political as one can get. "I live in an age that calls darkness light".

Either your high as a kite or you cant read or interpret basic political protest music. Its blunt. It isnt hidden. Win butler came out specifically and told fans to protest the war. To say arcade fire is not political is ignorant and misleading.

Sure they are no rage against the machine, every song isnt a protest song.

But if you dont get the feeling by listening to funeral or neon bible that both albums have a feeling of protest, a feeling that they believe youth are oppressed by adults who could give a crap, and that theya re urging youth to rebel, if you dont get that feeling by reading basic lyrics, maybe you are listening to a different band than I am.

"wake up" is clearly win butler's stated belief, that appears in song after song. This isnt tough stuff to understand. Frankly, if you dont want to hear the feelings of youth rebellion, dont yell at me, and dont pretend arcade fire arent singing about it.

CM1847

soulsinging wrote:

arcade fire is very good. i think they're in danger of clap your hands syndrome though... they stand out so much they can't possibly live up to the hype placed on them. so new people check them out expecting to hear the next sgt pepper's. what they get is one of the best rock bands out there. they're amazing, but they're not the second coming and they're not going to revolutionize anything. they're just an excellent band with excellent musicians and excellent songs. they're very unique and truly special. but dont let the music press build your expectations to unattainable heights. this "saviors of rock" crap happens every 2-3 years and it's always bullshit.

Well said. Getting into them after the Pitchfork/blog/forum hype around "Funeral" was a good time, because I have hated some of the bands they love, so my expectations weren't terriblely high, but it turns out "Funeral" is actually pretty good. Then I wasn't TOO excited about "Neon Bible" either until the day before just because I hadn't bought a new CD in a month or something. But with how much I like "Neon Bible" and the rapidly growing craze around them, I'm not sure whatever they do next will live up to the newly found hype.

They've made two very good rock albums, but people will expect more now that they have become so big, they debuted at #2 on the Billboard charts. I'm not sure what they will come out with next(2-3 years from now), but I'd be surprised if it were as well received as either of their first two albums. Everybody is going to want a "Kid A", but they are probably just going to release another good rock album and disappoint everybody.

soulsinging

Cheguevara6 wrote:

But if you dont get the feeling by listening to funeral or neon bible that both albums have a feeling of protest, a feeling that they believe youth are oppressed by adults who could give a crap, and that theya re urging youth to rebel, if you dont get that feeling by reading basic lyrics, maybe you are listening to a different band than I am.

"wake up" is clearly win butler's stated belief, that appears in song after song. This isnt tough stuff to understand. Frankly, if you dont want to hear the feelings of youth rebellion, dont yell at me, and dont pretend arcade fire arent singing about it.

no, i dont get any feeling that they're whining about how mean the big bad adults are to them and how hard it is just being a lil kid in this big bad world. i suggest you try growing up and stop blaming adults for all your problems. you ARE an adult now. act like one. and quit whining. teenage angst is pathetic for a college grad.

musicismylife78

frankly, soulsinging, your really ignorant and real mean person. I could care less what you say. You certainly are a fine human being my friend, a fine one. Couldnt make an improvement on you!

What the hell do these lyrics mean then? Obviously they arent talking about kids versus parents right....RIGHT!!!

Neighborhood #3 (Power Out)

I woke up with the power out,
not really something to shout about.
Ice has covered up my parents hands
don’t have any dreams don’t have any plans.

I went out into the night,
I went out to find some light.
Kids are swingin’ from the power lines,
nobody’s home, so nobody minds.

I went out into the night.
I went out to pick a fight with anyone.
Light a candle for the kids,
Jesus Christ don’t keep it hid!

---

Wake up

Somethin’ filled up
my heart with nothin’,
someone told me not to cry.

But now that I’m older,
my heart’s colder,
and I can see that it’s a lie.

Children wake up,
hold your mistake up,
before they turn the summer into dust.

If the children don’t grow up,
our bodies get bigger but our hearts get torn up.
We’re just a million little god’s causin rain storms
Turnin’ every good thing to rust.

---
Rebellion (Lies)

People say that you’ll die
faster than without water,
but we know it’s just a lie,
scare your son, scare your daughter,

Scare your son, scare your daughter.
---
Windowsill

I don't want to hear the noises on tv
I don't want the salesmen coming after me
I don't want to live in my father's house no more

I don't want it fast, I don't want it free
I don't wanna show you what they done to me
I don't want to live in my father's house no more

I don't want to choose black or blue
I don't wanna see what they done to you
I don't want to live in my father's house no more

because the tide is high
and it's rising still
and I don't want fear at my windowsill

I don't want to give 'em my name and address
I don't want to see what happens next
I don't want to live in my father's house no more

I don't want to live with my father's debt
You can't forgive what you can't forget
I don't want to live in my father's house no more

I don't want to fight in a holy war
I don't want the salesmen knocking at my door
I don't want to live in America no more

Because the tide is high
And it's rising still
And I don't want fear at my windowsill

I don't want to see it at my windowsill
Don't want to see it at my windowsill
Don't want to see it at my windowsill

MTV what have you done to me?
Save my soul, set me free
Set me free, what have you done to me?
I can't breathe, I can't sleep
World war three, when are you coming for me?
Been kicking up sparks to set the flames free
The windows are locked now, so what'll it be?
A house on fire or rising sea?

Why is the night so still?
Why did I take the pill?
Because I don't want to see it at my windowsill
I don't want to see it at my windowsill
---
No cars go
Little babies, let's go
Women and children, let's go
Old folks, let's go
Don't know where we're goin'

---

Now if you cant see the clear references to adults as corrupt and kids as the holders of innocence and truth, you really are as far gone as you sound. You are an ignorant person, dont yell at me just cause your a walking automaton who sold out. Instead of blaming the kids for the problems, why not look at yourself my friend.

You are a microcosm of whats wrong. Instead of listening to the younger people, people act like adults are the greatest gift to gods earth. A cant get elected and no one else from 13-34 can either. Its adults, older grey haired boomers who are in charge. So how would blaming kids solve a goddamn thing? We arent in power. The adults are sending kids to die in iraq. Not people in our generation. We have no power.

I mean this isnt really complex stuff. Who the hell do you have for senator and congressperson? It sure as hell aint a youth. Its a boomer. An adult.

So yeah, maybe your right. Ignore what Win Butler himself said in interview about politics in his songs. Ignore the lyrics themselves, and the explicit references to war and religion and politics that even an idiot could pick up, ignore all that. And lets all listen to soulsinging, the seer and allknowing god.

You want to tell me that kids these days blame too much on old people, fine thats an argument I would like to have. But dont act like a blind idiot who cant read simple lyrics. Its clear what the lyrics say, and if you cant pick up on that...your doomed my friend, we are all doomed. These are crytic, Tool like lyrics of metaphysics, these are straightforward lyrics

SOME PEOPLE!!!

musicismylife78

i refuse to be some corporate lacky pushing papers for crumbs. I aint gonna do that. I aint gonna live in some city where you cough up a lung from all the pollution. I aint gonna do that. I aint turn a blind eye to youth dying in iraq, just because they are you. Aint gonna. I want to live my life, working some dead end job till your sixty, that isnt living. Thats dying. You work in some factory pushing crap into the air, polluting our world, then you wonder why people get cancer and all these diseases. It aint worth it. Thats a life I will not choose. I am moving to a commune. To be free and to get away from that crap. You can go and live your life (ie dieing in the city from all that crap), but I am doing what my body says and what my heart says. And right now it says the most political and most intelligent thing to do right now, is to drop out of the ratrace, to just drop out, and to start living my life the way I feel it should be lived.

soulsinging

Cheguevara6 wrote:

Now if you cant see the clear references to adults as corrupt and kids as the holders of innocence and truth, you really are as far gone as you sound. You are an ignorant person, dont yell at me just cause your a walking automaton who sold out. Instead of blaming the kids for the problems, why not look at yourself my friend.

You are a microcosm of whats wrong. Instead of listening to the younger people, people act like adults are the greatest gift to gods earth. A cant get elected and no one else from 13-34 can either. Its adults, older grey haired boomers who are in charge. So how would blaming kids solve a goddamn thing? We arent in power. The adults are sending kids to die in iraq. Not people in our generation. We have no power.

I mean this isnt really complex stuff. Who the hell do you have for senator and congressperson? It sure as hell aint a youth. Its a boomer. An adult.

So yeah, maybe your right. Ignore what Win Butler himself said in interview about politics in his songs. Ignore the lyrics themselves, and the explicit references to war and religion and politics that even an idiot could pick up, ignore all that. And lets all listen to soulsinging, the seer and allknowing god.

You want to tell me that kids these days blame too much on old people, fine thats an argument I would like to have. But dont act like a blind idiot who cant read simple lyrics. Its clear what the lyrics say, and if you cant pick up on that...your doomed my friend, we are all doomed. These are crytic, Tool like lyrics of metaphysics, these are straightforward lyrics

SOME PEOPLE!!!

no, i see clear references to the loss of innocence that is an inevitable and natural part of growing up. nothing corrupt or evil about it. just sad. you're young and innocent... you grow old and learn that people die and the world isn't all peaches and cream. nothing to do with all adults being evil and corrupt.

i dont blame kids, i blame human beings who do fucked up things. they can be kids or adults. kids are not the holders of truth. nor are adults.

soulsinging

Cheguevara6 wrote:

i refuse to be some corporate lacky pushing papers for crumbs. I aint gonna do that. I aint gonna live in some city where you cough up a lung from all the pollution. I aint gonna do that. I aint turn a blind eye to youth dying in iraq, just because they are you. Aint gonna. I want to live my life, working some dead end job till your sixty, that isnt living. Thats dying. You work in some factory pushing crap into the air, polluting our world, then you wonder why people get cancer and all these diseases. It aint worth it. Thats a life I will not choose. I am moving to a commune. To be free and to get away from that crap. You can go and live your life (ie dieing in the city from all that crap), but I am doing what my body says and what my heart says. And right now it says the most political and most intelligent thing to do right now, is to drop out of the ratrace, to just drop out, and to start living my life the way I feel it should be lived.

let me ask you... when you move to the commune, how you going to post here? put your money where your mouth is mr truth-bearer. your plan worked REALLY well for the hippies.

musicismylife78

sure as hell has to do with adults. Who is taking those kids innocence? It aint other kids! Its the goddamn adults who send them to war and make them grow up way too soon.

Growing up doesnt have to mean loss of innocence. Its absurd to think otherwise.

If you admit there are clear references to loss of innocence in the music, who is Win Butler indicting then? From my reading he has never said in interview or otherwise what you seem to suggest, that loss of innocence is inevitable, and that it isnt adults to blame. He isnt saying parents or adults are great people. Thats how I read it.


to lose one's innocence, to realize the world is messed up, is what I feel and am angry as hell about it. I lost my innocence. But it didnt have to be that way. If the world was run by people who felt racism wasnt acceptable, or felt sending kids off to die in war wasnt good, or felt degredation of women was unexceptable, or even felt that women could be presidents, loss of innocence wouldnt exist. Utopia can exist. It should exist. Its what No Cars Go is about.

So I guess you dont think "All thats sacred comes from youth". Well tell me, my friend, if kids were running the world. If an 19 year old were president, and all 23 year olds were senators and congresspeople would we be more likely or less likely to be in the mess we are in. Children are innocent. They havent sold out like grouchy old people. They have a sense of exhuberance that is terrific.

Kids dont want war. Adults do and always have.

I still dont understand how someone can see those lyrics and say, "hey this song is a critique of youth and adults". Adults dont lose innocence. They already lost it.

I was sold a pack of lies, we all were. Of the world we were supposed to inherit. That everything was fair. And just as Tyler Durden said, we are waking up to that fact and we are really really pissed off.

Kids see the pack of lies and they see them for what they are, complete and utter crap,

I applaud Win Butler for being a voice of reason, for speaking for youth and speaking for us.

Adults dont listen to kids. Period. If they did, our world would be a hell of alot better. I said it before, and I will say it again. I and others are at war with anyone who identifies as an adult. As long as 50 year olds send kids to die in this war I am at war with those jerks. They have two choices. One, they step down, and say I am sorry. Or two, we force them out. It has become clear to me, the second option is the only option. And Win Butler proudly stands up for all of us of that persuasion. Us kids do know, and we have woken up.

I am sick of adults ruining my life. I am sick of seeing daily a 19 year old kid died in a war 50 year olds started. I am sick of 50 year olds ignoring the pleas of the youth. I am just sick of adults acting like they can ruin our lives and not have to pay the consequences. Kids know whats up. We know. And we know that adults ruined it. Selling out and death is all I see adults as. I want to live my life. I want to live. And I will be damned if the adults continue to massacre my entire generation, while I sit here twindling my thumbs.

How can someone trust an adult? They are old, and most of those in office right now are nearly dead. They are old, 20 years left in their lives most likely. They lived their lives. And they have the goddamn gall to to me and others that I cant live how I want to live and that I am forced to live in a world that continues to feel violence is the answer and that kids are disposable.

Thats whats so great about Arcade Fire. Kids arent disposable to them. Kids are wisdom and truth. How can people continue to put faith in old folks who feel we dont deserve to live essentially. Otherwise why would our generations death ellicit little response from these old folks. We are disposable to them. The sooner we overthrow them and take over, or the sooner they die off, the better

musicismylife78

who is tool railing against in "the pot" with that "fat finger you must have been outta your mind". It sure isnt the youth they are mad at! Its the same people Win Butler is railing against. Adults! eddie vedder on the storytellers show, railed against "adults playing b.s. games". He sure wasnt blaming the youth. Ben Harper spoke of "old men who send young men off to die in vain". He wasnt blaming youth. The Dixie Chicks talk about kids who lose their innocence from watching war. They didnt blame youth

Seems like I am not the only one trying to foment some kind of rebellion here. I am merely saying what alot of people are saying. That adults screwed up the world, and that they must account for that

electronblue

'the well and the lighthouse' (love how this song seems to have an echo like deep-well sound to it)

and now thinking... a lighthouse turned upside down is a well

oh no back and forth. i better stop...~

Jeremy1012

Cheguevara6 wrote:

sure as hell has to do with adults. Who is taking those kids innocence? It aint other kids! Its the goddamn adults who send them to war and make them grow up way too soon.

Growing up doesnt have to mean loss of innocence. Its absurd to think otherwise.

If you admit there are clear references to loss of innocence in the music, who is Win Butler indicting then? From my reading he has never said in interview or otherwise what you seem to suggest, that loss of innocence is inevitable, and that it isnt adults to blame. He isnt saying parents or adults are great people. Thats how I read it.


to lose one's innocence, to realize the world is messed up, is what I feel and am angry as hell about it. I lost my innocence. But it didnt have to be that way. If the world was run by people who felt racism wasnt acceptable, or felt sending kids off to die in war wasnt good, or felt degredation of women was unexceptable, or even felt that women could be presidents, loss of innocence wouldnt exist. Utopia can exist. It should exist. Its what No Cars Go is about.

So I guess you dont think "All thats sacred comes from youth". Well tell me, my friend, if kids were running the world. If an 19 year old were president, and all 23 year olds were senators and congresspeople would we be more likely or less likely to be in the mess we are in. Children are innocent. They havent sold out like grouchy old people. They have a sense of exhuberance that is terrific.

Kids dont want war. Adults do and always have.

I still dont understand how someone can see those lyrics and say, "hey this song is a critique of youth and adults". Adults dont lose innocence. They already lost it.

I was sold a pack of lies, we all were. Of the world we were supposed to inherit. That everything was fair. And just as Tyler Durden said, we are waking up to that fact and we are really really pissed off.

Kids see the pack of lies and they see them for what they are, complete and utter crap,

I applaud Win Butler for being a voice of reason, for speaking for youth and speaking for us.

Adults dont listen to kids. Period. If they did, our world would be a hell of alot better. I said it before, and I will say it again. I and others are at war with anyone who identifies as an adult. As long as 50 year olds send kids to die in this war I am at war with those jerks. They have two choices. One, they step down, and say I am sorry. Or two, we force them out. It has become clear to me, the second option is the only option. And Win Butler proudly stands up for all of us of that persuasion. Us kids do know, and we have woken up.

I am sick of adults ruining my life. I am sick of seeing daily a 19 year old kid died in a war 50 year olds started. I am sick of 50 year olds ignoring the pleas of the youth. I am just sick of adults acting like they can ruin our lives and not have to pay the consequences. Kids know whats up. We know. And we know that adults ruined it. Selling out and death is all I see adults as. I want to live my life. I want to live. And I will be damned if the adults continue to massacre my entire generation, while I sit here twindling my thumbs.

How can someone trust an adult? They are old, and most of those in office right now are nearly dead. They are old, 20 years left in their lives most likely. They lived their lives. And they have the goddamn gall to to me and others that I cant live how I want to live and that I am forced to live in a world that continues to feel violence is the answer and that kids are disposable.

Thats whats so great about Arcade Fire. Kids arent disposable to them. Kids are wisdom and truth. How can people continue to put faith in old folks who feel we dont deserve to live essentially. Otherwise why would our generations death ellicit little response from these old folks. We are disposable to them. The sooner we overthrow them and take over, or the sooner they die off, the better

you're 23, not a kid. why then do you refer to yourself as if you are one of the children being used, abused and corrupted? I'm almost on your side. I'm full of all these lovely idealistic views about society and the powers that be and all that. My favourite books are Fight Club and Fathers and sons by Ivan Turgenev. I consider myself very left wing. I would rather vote for a fringe party and waste my ballot paper than ever give my support to the right. Having said that, I'm not going to pretend that anyone gives a fuck what I think. And please, answer my genuine question... if you feel so strongly about this (and there is nothing wrong with that), how the hell is going off to live in a commune going to change things? hiding off on a little pastoral community and growing your hair out isn't going to make the world a better place. These "adults" that you are railing against are not going to take you seriously when you are sat around a campfire singing kumbaya with a bunch of naive stoners.