Perhaps ignorance... but anyone over 12 yrs old with an ounce of integrity would not fall prey to ignorant stereotypical bias. I give the PEOPLE who are pearl jam and the management more credit than that.
the South abides
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
So do I. A lot of what has been said today is out of hurt and anger. But, I do agree with those who say that the lack of communication is the real kick in the face.
That being said, maybe they don't KNOW when they'll be ready to tour. Let's face it, Stone and Mikey are going to be Dads for the first time. We don't know how long they held off going on the road when Ed became a Dad because it was all so fucking secretive.
Once the babies are here and lives get settled, we'll probably know a little more.
The major concern with this particular theory of mine is that they should have put Europe off and played the South. But we don't have any info to base anything on. It's all just opinions; no facts.
I for one don't think PJ has anything specifically against the South. It may not be their favorite area to play or something, but I don't think they, as people, are capable of that kind of ignorance.....not and write and play the subject matter they cover.
We're all pissed off - but I still support the band. They have a right to have families and live lives too. They're in their 40's for the most part now and have paid many dues.
JMO
~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
I don't think politics had anything to do with it. I think it is the 'lose money' arguement, but I highly disagree with that argument as you can see from my previous posts.
That being said, I don't really blame the band themselves for this. They want to take the rest of the year off and be with family and maybe do some studio work, more power to them. We all benefit in the long run from that. I blame whoever it was that released the dates last year for this entire situation.
Two things would have solved this whole problem.
1) Release all US dates at one time (as they did for every other tour except this one - that decision still bothers me). That way the South knows from the get-go that there will be no shows here at all and everyone plans accordingly, whether that plan involves getting pissed, staying home or traveling.
2) Sprinkle 8 or 10 shows down this way in between Leg 1 and 2. There was plenty of time for that. And don't give me that 'too much distance between shows' argument either because have you seen Australia?
That would have done it. And out of 80+ shows, if 2 or 3 don't see well in the south and money is lost, then big whoop. You had 80+ other shows to fall back on.
But I do think it was a mis-calculated, mis-handled money decision, and not a political one. After all, other red states got shows, including Ohio, which held the election in their hands and was the deciding vote.
Well, they are killing a fan who purchased "Ten" after only hearing "Alive" one complete time on the MTV (Feb. 1992) and has been with them despite only two shows in his hometown since that time. A fan who flew to Halifax, Nova Scotia to enjoy seeing Pearl Jam in that fine city. A fan who has spent a lot of time and money on the band. All good things come to an end, I guess?
Not all good things come to an end. They morph, adapt and change accordingly over time. That is the way with all types of relationships. It is just hard when it is all one sided. But that is when we have to let the intangible trust take over.
(I miss your chant that we have all copied)
the South abides
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
"I don't want to hear any splatty tongues!"
J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher
Not all good things come to an end. They morph, adapt and change accordingly over time. That is the way with all types of relationships. It is just hard when it is all one sided. But that is when we have to let the intangible trust take over.
(I miss your chant that we have all copied)
the South abides
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
Actually, since we're all being pissy today, it was MY freaking chant.
~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
1) Release all US dates at one time (as they did for every other tour except this one - that decision still bothers me). That way the South knows from the get-go that there will be no shows here at all and everyone plans accordingly, whether that plan involves getting pissed, staying home or traveling.
I think that would have resolved a large majority of the ill-will...at least from my prospective.
PBM
"We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"
So do I. A lot of what has been said today is out of hurt and anger. But, I do agree with those who say that the lack of communication is the real kick in the face.
That being said, maybe they don't KNOW when they'll be ready to tour. Let's face it, Stone and Mikey are going to be Dads for the first time. We don't know how long they held off going on the road when Ed became a Dad because it was all so fucking secretive.
Once the babies are here and lives get settled, we'll probably know a little more.
The major concern with this particular theory of mine is that they should have put Europe off and played the South. But we don't have any info to base anything on. It's all just opinions; no facts.
I for one don't think PJ has anything specifically against the South. It may not be their favorite area to play or something, but I don't think they, as people, are capable of that kind of ignorance.....not and write and play the subject matter they cover.
We're all pissed off - but I still support the band. They have a right to have families and live lives too. They're in their 40's for the most part now and have paid many dues.
JMO
I couldn't agree with you more... ask PissBottleMan about his focus lately (PissBottleBaby). When real life hits you, all else fades. We probably just don't exist to them right now... they have their eyes, minds and hearts busy right now.
My kids were babies in the late 80's and 90's and I saw/thought of not much else for about a decade. Thru all our problems and highs and lows the one thing that reached thru all the surrounding bullshit (that was growing) was the music of Pearl jam. It is about the only thing I remember from the early 90's (besides children, illness, panic, money, business, tears, etc). the music was faint at first, but has grown much more intense as I have become free-er.
So, I can understand that these men need to shut down for a while. I just wish they had left their business decision making to more capable hands.
So, hopefully they will hear our faint voices in the backgound of their lives and listen to us when they are ready.
the South abides
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
"I don't want to hear any splatty tongues!"
J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
since you are the only one on this thread who has seen JTR's "proof" that he has some connection to the band, the fact that you are taking his word to heart concerns me.
since you are the only one on this thread who has seen JTR's "proof" that he has some connection to the band, the fact that you are taking his word to heart concerns me.
is he truly legit, in your honest opinion?
Yes
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
OK, well JR has said that they intended and do intend to play down here... that they made business/perosnal decisions...not political...
so why are you so down on them? Do you not believe him?
the South abides
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
"I don't want to hear any splatty tongues!"
J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher
OK, well JR has said that they intended and do intend to play down here... that they made business decisions...not political...
so why are you so down on them?
the South abides
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
I seriously doubt it, I'm sure next year they will take off to record a new album, I just can't see them touring 3 years straight hardcore
OK, well JR has said that they intended and do intend to play down here... that they made business decisions...not political...
so why are you so down on them?
the South abides
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
Maybe he's not being told everything.....this situation stinks...is their management this piss poor? If so, I would be hiring some forensic accountants to check my books.
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
I seriously doubt it, I'm sure next year they will take off to record a new album, I just can't see them touring 3 years straight hardcore
That I don't know... I could see a quick release of a new album (didn't I read that Ed said they loads more material to release?) and then another short-shitty-half-assed tour to follow shortly thereafter - just in time to campaign for the elections.
the South abides
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
"I don't want to hear any splatty tongues!"
J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher
Maybe he's not being told everything.....this situation stinks...is their management this piss poor? If so, I would be hiring some forensic accountants to check my books.
Actually, they sound more like ***gasp*** POLITICIANS!
the South abides
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
"I don't want to hear any splatty tongues!"
J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher
That I don't know... I could see a quick release of a new album (didn't I read that Ed said they loads more material to release?) and then another short-shitty-half-assed tour to follow shortly thereafter - just in time to campaign for the elections.
the South abides
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
forgot it was an election year, they'd probobly wanna educate all of us dumb southerners
yea and I could say that I cook the bands meals for them but does that mean I am? Face it Ty, the guy played us all!
I don't think so... what has he really told us?...nothing. Which is real. Do you really think they are planning something this year?
Stoneg's source, Carter the DJ and JR all said the same thing (independently as far as I can tell) at about the same time, that there was a tour planned and it fell apart.
the South abides
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
"I don't want to hear any splatty tongues!"
J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher
I don't think so... what has he really told us?...nothing. Which is real. Do you really think they are planning something this year?
Stoneg's source, Carter the DJ and JR all said the same thing (independently as far as I can tell) at about the same time, that there was a tour planned and it fell apart.
the South abides
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
So this the second time a southern tour was planned and fell apart? I wonder what the issue was...
Awwww.. I'm sorry.... they YOU get credit... (but no royalties)
the South abides
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
No problemo.... I'm independently wealthy...
~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
So this the second time a southern tour was planned and fell apart? I wonder what the issue was...
bad management? bad feelings? All we know is that there exists some bad communication with both this band and its fan (?) club.
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
With regard to their management....
how many of YOU work at companies where one hand doesn't know what the other is doing? That's internal communication - and if it's screwed up inside J records/PJ it's not going to be any better for 10C to the fans.
PJ left Sony because they were "too restricted" among other things. I think part of what we're seeing is a bit of a hands-off management approach. With all the personal changes taking place within the band, it seems that they (PJ) are flexing their newfound freedom.
Again, though - my sore spot is the Euro tour. I was pretty much okay and feeling hopeful until that got announced. I felt really insulted - but got over it. Don't know the circumstances/timing whatever.
I just hope some of what we say gets to the RIGHT PEOPLE.
ARE YOU DOING THAT KAT?
GETTING OUR VIEWPOINTS TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE?
WE REALLY HOPE THAT'S THE CASE.
AND IF SO, A BIG THANKS FROM THE SOUTH!
~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
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So do I. A lot of what has been said today is out of hurt and anger. But, I do agree with those who say that the lack of communication is the real kick in the face.
That being said, maybe they don't KNOW when they'll be ready to tour. Let's face it, Stone and Mikey are going to be Dads for the first time. We don't know how long they held off going on the road when Ed became a Dad because it was all so fucking secretive.
Once the babies are here and lives get settled, we'll probably know a little more.
The major concern with this particular theory of mine is that they should have put Europe off and played the South. But we don't have any info to base anything on. It's all just opinions; no facts.
I for one don't think PJ has anything specifically against the South. It may not be their favorite area to play or something, but I don't think they, as people, are capable of that kind of ignorance.....not and write and play the subject matter they cover.
We're all pissed off - but I still support the band. They have a right to have families and live lives too. They're in their 40's for the most part now and have paid many dues.
JMO
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
That being said, I don't really blame the band themselves for this. They want to take the rest of the year off and be with family and maybe do some studio work, more power to them. We all benefit in the long run from that. I blame whoever it was that released the dates last year for this entire situation.
Two things would have solved this whole problem.
1) Release all US dates at one time (as they did for every other tour except this one - that decision still bothers me). That way the South knows from the get-go that there will be no shows here at all and everyone plans accordingly, whether that plan involves getting pissed, staying home or traveling.
2) Sprinkle 8 or 10 shows down this way in between Leg 1 and 2. There was plenty of time for that. And don't give me that 'too much distance between shows' argument either because have you seen Australia?
That would have done it. And out of 80+ shows, if 2 or 3 don't see well in the south and money is lost, then big whoop. You had 80+ other shows to fall back on.
But I do think it was a mis-calculated, mis-handled money decision, and not a political one. After all, other red states got shows, including Ohio, which held the election in their hands and was the deciding vote.
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Not all good things come to an end. They morph, adapt and change accordingly over time. That is the way with all types of relationships. It is just hard when it is all one sided. But that is when we have to let the intangible trust take over.
(I miss your chant that we have all copied)
the South abides
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher
I raise my Freak Flag High!!
Actually, since we're all being pissy today, it was MY freaking chant.
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
I think that would have resolved a large majority of the ill-will...at least from my prospective.
PBM
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I couldn't agree with you more... ask PissBottleMan about his focus lately (PissBottleBaby). When real life hits you, all else fades. We probably just don't exist to them right now... they have their eyes, minds and hearts busy right now.
My kids were babies in the late 80's and 90's and I saw/thought of not much else for about a decade. Thru all our problems and highs and lows the one thing that reached thru all the surrounding bullshit (that was growing) was the music of Pearl jam. It is about the only thing I remember from the early 90's (besides children, illness, panic, money, business, tears, etc). the music was faint at first, but has grown much more intense as I have become free-er.
So, I can understand that these men need to shut down for a while. I just wish they had left their business decision making to more capable hands.
So, hopefully they will hear our faint voices in the backgound of their lives and listen to us when they are ready.
the South abides
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher
I raise my Freak Flag High!!
is he truly legit, in your honest opinion?
Awwww.. I'm sorry.... they YOU get credit...
the South abides
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher
I raise my Freak Flag High!!
good enough for me.
the South abides
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher
I raise my Freak Flag High!!
dammit
That made me laugh really loud for some reason
OK, well JR has said that they intended and do intend to play down here... that they made business/perosnal decisions...not political...
so why are you so down on them? Do you not believe him?
the South abides
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher
I raise my Freak Flag High!!
I seriously doubt it, I'm sure next year they will take off to record a new album, I just can't see them touring 3 years straight hardcore
That I don't know... I could see a quick release of a new album (didn't I read that Ed said they loads more material to release?) and then another short-shitty-half-assed tour to follow shortly thereafter - just in time to campaign for the elections.
the South abides
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher
I raise my Freak Flag High!!
yea and I could say that I cook the bands meals for them but does that mean I am? Face it Ty, the guy played us all!
Actually, they sound more like ***gasp*** POLITICIANS!
the South abides
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher
I raise my Freak Flag High!!
forgot it was an election year, they'd probobly wanna educate all of us dumb southerners
I don't think so... what has he really told us?...nothing. Which is real. Do you really think they are planning something this year?
Stoneg's source, Carter the DJ and JR all said the same thing (independently as far as I can tell) at about the same time, that there was a tour planned and it fell apart.
the South abides
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher
I raise my Freak Flag High!!
So this the second time a southern tour was planned and fell apart? I wonder what the issue was...
No problemo.... I'm independently wealthy...
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
Therein lies the debate, speculation, grievance...
the South abides
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher
I raise my Freak Flag High!!
Yea I knew that before I even typed that out...don't know why I felt the need to ask again
how many of YOU work at companies where one hand doesn't know what the other is doing? That's internal communication - and if it's screwed up inside J records/PJ it's not going to be any better for 10C to the fans.
PJ left Sony because they were "too restricted" among other things. I think part of what we're seeing is a bit of a hands-off management approach. With all the personal changes taking place within the band, it seems that they (PJ) are flexing their newfound freedom.
Again, though - my sore spot is the Euro tour. I was pretty much okay and feeling hopeful until that got announced. I felt really insulted - but got over it. Don't know the circumstances/timing whatever.
I just hope some of what we say gets to the RIGHT PEOPLE.
ARE YOU DOING THAT KAT?
GETTING OUR VIEWPOINTS TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE?
WE REALLY HOPE THAT'S THE CASE.
AND IF SO, A BIG THANKS FROM THE SOUTH!
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
Ohh, rhetorical, I get it, sorry....
the South abides
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
~Play the South~
J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher
I raise my Freak Flag High!!
LOOK EVERYBODY - I'M ABOUT TO HIT 1,000 POSTS!!
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau