People Who Hate Scott Weiland....

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  • Matty Boy wrote:
    Slash should have never walked out on W. Axl Rose. Axl will have the last laugh on Slash, Duff, and Matt when Chinese Democracy comes out.


    dont' you mean "...IF Chinese democracy comes out" ?
  • MCGMCG Posts: 780
    I could care less why VR broke up. The end result was STP getting back together and that is a win in my books.
    Which came first,
    the bad idea or me befallen by it?
  • holtzholtz Posts: 509
    dont' you mean "...IF Chinese democracy comes out" ?


    It will come out eventually but we may have to wait until after Axl dies and the record company puts it out.
  • Scott is good lead singer. Slash is a great guitar player.

    VR was an 'effort', although it offered nothing new, nothing original. So for me, it never challenged my senses. In other words it sucked, almost as bad as STP's Tiny music album.
    Scott with STP is better. I really enjoyed the Purple album.

    I think this STP reunion is knee jerk reaction to being let go from VR. I don't think it will last.
  • dharma69dharma69 Posts: 1,275
    I think this STP reunion is knee jerk reaction to being let go from VR. I don't think it will last.
    Actually the STP reunion was in the works prior to Weiland being booted out of VR; before Weiland went back to rehab.
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  • direwolf74direwolf74 Posts: 1,622
    Matty Boy wrote:
    Slash should have never walked out on W. Axl Rose. Axl will have the last laugh on Slash, Duff, and Matt when Chinese Democracy comes out.

    I highly doubt that.
    "I try my best to chug, stomp, weep, whisper, moan, wheeze, scat, blurt, rage, whine, and seduce. With my voice I can sound like a girl, the boogieman, a Theremin, a cherry bomb, a clown, a doctor, a murderer. I can be tribal. Ironic. Or disturbed. My voice is really my instrument."

    -Tom Waits
  • CServantCServant Posts: 1,182
    holtz wrote:
    It will come out eventually but we may have to wait until after Axl dies and the record company puts it out.

    ...and that's the ONLY way it ever comes out!
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  • HermanBloomHermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    Can't we just agree that all of these bands suck?
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  • Can't we just agree that all of these bands suck?

    No.
  • Can't we just agree that all of these bands suck?

    I don't agree to that...
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  • why hate scott?? he is a good artist. well, he has problems anyway he is talented ....
    "You're the eve of my destruction in the garden of fears"
  • Can't we just agree that all of these bands suck?


    no, we can agree that drugs have whacked them out
    they write great music, they just fuck it up as far as touring and releasing it.
    Some people have religion I have Pearl Jam.


    no more shows
  • no, we can agree that drugs have whacked them out
    they write great music, they just fuck it up as far as touring and releasing it.

    Really, for Libertad, they didn't write anything that could be considered "great". Contraband had its share of wonderful music, I'll grant you, but that was their last worthy contribution, in my opinion.
    Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
  • Really, for Libertad, they didn't write anything that could be considered "great". Contraband had its share of wonderful music, I'll grant you, but that was their last worthy contribution, in my opinion.


    still havent heard that yet, I like contraband, i like guns, i liked snakepit, stp, weiland solo.
    so you got me.
    Ill have to check it out, I believe you though.
    Some people have religion I have Pearl Jam.


    no more shows
  • iluvcatsiluvcats Posts: 5,153
    is brett scallions formerly of fuel replacing scott?
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  • jezebeloriajezebeloria Posts: 600
    iluvcats wrote:
    is brett scallions formerly of fuel replacing scott?


    Where did you hear that? Was always a Fuel fan and think this might not be a bad idea.
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  • facepollutionfacepollution Posts: 6,834
    iluvcats wrote:
    is brett scallions formerly of fuel replacing scott?

    I reckon he could probably pull it off, he has a decent voice - not a million miles from Weiland's sound.
  • iluvcatsiluvcats Posts: 5,153
    Where did you hear that? Was always a Fuel fan and think this might not be a bad idea.

    I think a fan asked brett on his myspace. so I don't know the fan's source.
    maybe he was hoping?
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  • holtzholtz Posts: 509
    I don't think they have anyone yet. Slash is claiming they will have a website up for people to audition but he also did mention before that they worked with someone before Weiland even quit/was fired.
  • hailhail82hailhail82 Posts: 330
    Yeah, according to Slash, they don't have anyone. The guy they were working with must have not worked out.
    I'm betting whatever they come up with will pretty much be a joke. I can't see them getting anyone that will bring their music up to the level it needs to be besides Weiland.
    Using the word "methinks" in your message board posts doesn't make you look smart.
  • I think with Slash being in the business as long as he has and having problems before, I think he should have handled the situation more proffessionally. He makes himself sound foolish in this articel.
    Some people have religion I have Pearl Jam.


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  • holtzholtz Posts: 509
    Scott talks about VR and STP in Classic Rock mag-

    "Velvet Revolver are a band full of junkies and fucking tramps who are
    trying to pretend they're fucking St. Francis!"
    At least that's what Scott Weiland says. In a world exclusive the former
    Velvet Revolver singer gives Classic Rock his side of the story, just
    days before he was sacked from the band.

    "I guess the problem at the moment is that I have some great things
    ahead of me and I'm in a band that I'm not getting along with who are
    junkies and fucking tramps and are trying to pretend that they are St.
    fucking Francis!"
    Scott Weiland is, to use an American colloquialism, pissed. It's Easter
    Monday, the day before Velvet Revolver's first night in London's Brixton
    Academy ((4 days after the Glasgow gig when he announced the split)) and
    Weiland's relationship with the band is in meltdown. Right now he's
    aggrieved because he claims the management have confiscated his passport
    to prevent him absconding before the end of the tour. But he is also
    very optimistic about future prospects including a reunited Stone Temple
    Pilots tour; a solo double album and a biography - all happening this year.
    Wearing a skinny black suit and Wayfarer shades, he looks like a hybrid
    of Bob Dylan and John Cooper Clarke - the epitome of grunge chic. Still
    very raw from a recent and much publicised stint in rehab, in this
    interview - a week before his sacking from the band - he speaks openly
    and uncensored about his grievances with Velvet Revolver, the tragic
    death of his brother Michael, his on-going battles with addiction and
    the re-formation of Stone Temple Pilots.

    *What's your take on the Velvet Revolver situation?*
    Theres a lot of baggage that comes with the band, and a lot of displaced
    anger. Y'know when I first joined Velvet Revolver I already had issues
    regarding the politics of a rock'n'roll band. When you're the frontman
    and the person who writes the majority of the music - all the melodies,
    all the lyrics - the person who comes up with all the creative ideas -
    video ideas, concepts for covers, that sort of thing - eventually other
    band members start looking at you.
    Initially you're the asset, especially in the first couple of years.
    You're the one who has to give all the interviews, when times are great
    and when times are not so great. So suddenly people are saying "Why is
    he getting all the attention?" Well sometimes none of the other guys
    want the attention. Well, they want the attention but they don't want
    the responsibility that comes with it. Which is one of the issues I
    brought with me from STP. The problem with STP - which leads into the VR
    problem - was that we were best friends for a long time. We grew up
    together as kids. I was 19 when I formed the band together with Robert
    (DeLeo, bass) and I knew him from when I was 16. It started out as every
    band does as a gang and it really never was a case of me trying to jump
    out and sieze the spotlight; because I was really conflicted about the
    whole thing.
    I don't mind doing photo shoots and I don't mind doing an interview if
    it's an important interview. Talking to Classic Rock - that's an
    important thing. It's a respected, legendary magazine. I'm not one of
    those people who are into saturating the media. if you have an important
    thing to say then say it.
    But along the way with STP our communication broke down. it was this
    great band with great chemistry. We were not only great songwriters
    together, it was based on camaraderie, experience, the friendship I had
    with Robert. All of this ended up breaking down because of resentment we
    never spoke about. It ended up with Dead (DeLeo, guitar) and I having
    fist fights.
    So there was this period of time before Velvet Revolver that I really
    didn't want to play in a rock band again. I was knee-deep in recording
    my solo record, I was in the process of putting together my record
    company and I was producing other bands. I produced two of the Limp
    Bizkit records. Not my favourite band by any stretch of the imagination,
    but it definitely put me on the map as a producer. I also had kids and
    didn't want to spend the rest of my life on the road.
    But those guys (the rest of VR) were looking at a bunch of singers and
    doing a movie. They were sending me Cd's of songs and eventually I heard
    some stuff that I found intriguing and I started to get to know them a
    little bit. I felt a kinship with them in the beginning because they had
    gone through some shit with their previous band.
    *

    From the outside you and those guys getting together looked like two
    people comming out of horrendous divorces; relating to each others
    appearance but also having the baggage that comes with that experience.*
    Definitely but it was almost like comming off a rebound. At first it was
    very exciting and we did jive. We had a lot of common interests; Duff
    and I shared a lot of the same musical interests with punk rock; Matt
    and I shared an interest in experimental music. Dave and I had known
    each other from back in the days of playing clubs in Hollywood. And then
    you had Slash and I who were - and I don't want to come over as
    lifesaving - two iconic figures, which the media tried to turn into a
    Mick/Keef kind of thing. We did have that gang type camaraderie at
    first. At the same time I was going through the worst period of my drug
    addiction that I'd ever gone through.

    *Was Slash messed up too?*
    Not at that time, he was just drinking a lot, he hadn't done drugs in a
    few years. He seemed pretty cool at the time. Duff had been sober for a
    long time and Matt had been sober for five and a half years. Dave, of
    course, was solid as a rock.
    So VR was a musical thing that looked like it could be promising, but it
    also looked like it could be a life-raft. These were guys that had
    walked the same streets that I'd walked and in the same shoes. They were
    totally supportive and non-judgemental.
    In the last couple of years in STP the guys had become very judgemental
    and, to jump ahead a little, ironically Dean ended up comming to me a
    couple of years later and said "Listen man I need to make amends to you.
    I was a horrible hypocrite, I was strung out too."
    *
    You told me in our last interview that you were getting the brunt of
    STP's criticism while Dean was getting wasted at home.*
    Yeah. There were some tours where we would be smoking crack and heroin
    together. And then the next tour I would say "Alright! Let's get on with
    it." And he'd say "What are you talking about man? Get your shit
    together!" But he made amends to me and I was shocked because he had
    gone to rehab and he's been clean for some time now.
    But going back to VR, at the time it seemed like a completely different
    situation to STP. It felt like the most non-judgemental situation
    because the first six months was like the process of me getting clean.
    The first thing to go was the heroin and then the cocaine and then the
    pills. Then I got into treatment and I got clean. I was clean and sober
    for two years and then I started drinking. And all that seemed cool for
    about a year, but then it started escalating. During that time is when
    the guys started falling off the wagon. Matt relapsed and went into
    treatment and then Duff relapsed and went into treatment and then Slash
    had his situation. So everybody in the band ended up falling off except
    for Dave of course. At that time I was maintaining my problem in a sane
    way and I didn't really fall off intensely until my brother died.
  • holtzholtz Posts: 509
    *I was going to bring that up. It seemed a little too current the last
    time we spoke as you had just been to his funeral a week before.*
    He was a great guy. Very smart, very well read, a great writer. He was
    very loving, a great dad. Unfortunately he didn't love himself as much
    as he loved other people. There were years when we were just ripping and
    roaring together and then unfortunately we were never clean at the same
    time. I was loaded, he was clean; he was clean I was loaded. We could
    never be on the same page, on the same schedule, to support each other.
    *
    Did you write the song For A Brother before or after he died?*
    I wrote it for him when...it's the most fucked up story. He had a
    custody date in court. There was a restraining order against him and he
    was going to be able to see his kids and have visitation again which
    would lead up to partial custody. We'd been getting along the best we
    had in years, he spent Christmas with me. Two days before the court date
    he did the same thing he always does: whenever something good is going
    to happen he shot himself in the foot. And he went out and got loaded
    and got arrested for possession. So that completely fucked up his
    situation. He turned up at court and told his wife what had happened and
    that he wouldn't be able to see his girls for a while and to tell them
    that he loved them. She told me afterwards that she had a feeling that
    she wasn't going to see him again.
    I was so angry when I heard about it that I never called him. I felt I
    had to wait a week before I called him, to let it sink in. So I never
    had a chance to talk to him again. I got a call when they found him, I
    had to go over and identify the body. Nobody knows for sure if it was
    intentional. When I got to his place he was lying on the bed with the
    sheets pulled up to his chest. There weren't any works nearby. I felt he
    just sort of gave up, died of a broken heart. There were drugs in his
    system but not enough to kill a junkie. There was a notice on his fridge
    door that said "Live for Sophia and Claudette' - his daughters.
    So that's when things started going downhill for me. The family came out
    and we kind of had a wake for a week. I started drinking non-stop.

    *It's strange that you responded to your brothers relapse and tragic
    death by relapsing yourself.*
    Exactly! It was a bad year, my mother got cancer, they got the cancer
    but she had to go through radiation therapy. My grandfather got really
    sick with heartdisease and emphysema. A lot of bad stuff happened that year.
    *
    You also split up with your wife. How do you deal with all that? Where
    does that stress go?*
    How did I deal with it? It was even more confusing because in the band I
    was playing with until then we'd all had each others backs and then
    suddenly it all started evaporating. Suddenly these guys who had all
    fallen appart themselves all became very judgemental. When they went
    through their shit I was the last person who would be judgemental after
    what I had gone through in my life.
    The relationship I had with Matt became horrendous, he and I came close
    to fist-fights so many times it became ridiculous. He has an attitude
    with lead singers - it's a problem he had before Velvet Revolver, in
    Guns and The Cult and who knows, maybe even before that. Slash and I
    have always been able to maintain, except on a few occasions, a
    professional relationship. Duff and I have usually been close. Then
    everything started to erode. I couldn't believe I was in this situation
    where I was getting ostracised by these people who had been in the same
    fucking situation I was in.
    So while all this was going on I had been talking to the guys in STP and
    we said: "Let's get back together. This story's not over." I feel like
    we had the best shit ahead of us. I definitely didn't want to put VR to
    bed. I also don't believe in outstaying your welcome when you're touring
    a dead album.
    We toured Contraband for a long time because it sold 3.5 million copies.
    But when you have an album that didn't do that well you don't tour it
    for over a year. You take a break, you wait for the songs to happen.
    Like Keith Richards said: "Don't fucking labour over songs."
    So the whole thing with STP doing a tour and some festivals was a
    perfect window of opportunity while the rest of the band could have been
    taking some time off, working on some songs of their own. And then when
    I was done VR could get back together.
    Right now it's like a relationship that's dead in the water where you
    need some space to figure out if it's important enough to last. The band
    need time out to sit back and let the creative juices flow and also to
    realise what everyone's part is in why things have reached the point
    they have. Now I'm not saying I'm innocent in all of this but
    everybody's at this place where the fucking finger is getting pointed
    and they're all pointing the finger at me. When you think about it isn't
    it ironic that they did with Axl Rose in the last band where the lead
    singer was deamonised? Originally I thought: "What a troll he must have
    been. What an evil man." But you know what? I have to say that I have an
    entirely different opinion of him today.

    *That's a turnaround. Last year you verbally laid into him in a very
    public manner.*
    But you know what? That was a long time ago and I'd heard a lot of
    stories. But there are two sides to every story and having been in this
    band I actually feel for the guy and understand him a whole lot more.

    *Is it true that VR's Australian tour was cancelled because you relapsed
    and the band and management insisted you went back into rehab before
    going back on the road?*
    Oh that's a bunch of bullshit! There's absolutely zero truth in that.
    The band had nothing to do with me going to rehab at all. I never even
    had a conversation with them about it. I wasn't even speaking to them at
    the time, as a matter of fact they didn't even know I was going until
    the night of the show.

    *Did you do that impulsively?*
    I was talking to my manager - who is not their manager - and trying to
    get a bed at this place. The only person who had an idea I was going was
    Matt because he went when the original tour got cancelled. What happened
    then was I went to dry out for three days at a place my shrink has,
    because I was drinking a lot. We were supposed to leave for Australia
    but Matt came to rehearsals and was so fucked up the band sent him back
    to rehab. That's why the first tour of Australia got cancelled. A tour
    gets cancelled and regardless of what Matt's offences were no one pays
    attention to that because quite honestly no one gives a shit.
    A couple of months later I was saying to my manager "I can't believe I'm
    saying this but I think I need to go back to rehab again." I was looking
    for a place by my house but prices had changed from five years ago. So
    Matt directed me to a place in Orange County. It's fucking ironic that
    the band says they asked me to go because I tried to stop the tour
    earlier and go. So eventually I said "fuck it! Book me a bed and after
    the gig I'm going." So I packed a bag, did the gig and split off without
    them even knowing. So the last couple of dates (in the US) we didn't do.
    But y'know what? It was more important that I went because I was in a
    really miserable place. It was the first time in years that I went to a
    rehab place because I wanted to.
    *
    Comming out of rehab this time and going straight on tour must have been
    quite a shock to the system. You must be in quite a raw and vulnerable
    place.*
    Yeah but it's not like it's the first time I've done it. It's what my
    life is really. But it has changed my philosophy to the concept of what
    VR is about. With this band everything is about touring. I think by this
    time we should have made three albums but we've spent almost the entire
    life of the band on the road and I've missed a lot of things in my
    children's lives because of it. At this point I prefere recording. At
    least it gives you something a little more thrilling to do when you are
    touring. Something more challenging than playing 'It's So Easy/Sex Type
    Thing' every night.
    I think the emotional let-down that we achieved was something special.
    We pushed the envelope and created something special and then blew it.
    The initial goal was to tour our albums and not fall back on our old
    catalogue from our respective past. What ended up happening was exactly
    the opposite. We needed up falling back on the old material because
    there's not enough confidence in what this band is about. It seemed to
    be more important to play the old rock stuff than to build a legacy with
    the new band and it just became not fun. I think I have a lot more to
    say musically.

    *There have been rumors on the net that during the last shows you're
    going to destroy the stage or just split prematurely.*
    Oh I can't do that because the management have threatened to arrest me.
    How do you figure that one? What is this a fucking Mormon Tabernacle choir?

    *Wouldn't an alternative to this heated situation be that you all cool
    off, do your respectively projects and then regroup and see how the land
    lies?*
    I think they should get Guns N' Roses back together to tell you the
    truth. I think that would be the greatest thing they could do. I think
    the world would be very happy. If they could stop talking trash about
    Axl in the press. It almost happened, the pens were ready to sign. With
    the Greatest Hits there was the possibility but there was too much stuff
    being said but it was a close call. As A GNR fan I would love to see that.


    In the same article, VELVET REVOLVER bassist Duff McKagan was asked
    about Weiland's statement that Duff, guitarist Slash and drummer Matt
    Sorum should reunite with Axl Rose in GUNS N' ROSES, as well as Scott's
    claim that "the pens were ready to sign" at one point for a GN'R reunion
    and that the contracts were on the table. "I know he [Weiland] was
    really paranoid about that and we had to allay his fears at one point,
    when we were writing for [VELVET REVOLVER's second album] 'Libertad',"
    McKagan responded. "He got wind that our manager at that point had been
    talking to Axl about bringing Axl over to what was our management
    company back then. And Scott freaked out that we were getting GN'R back
    together and we weren't going to make the second record. I don't know
    where it came from — there was no contract on the table or pens ready to
    sign. Maybe now he's convinced himself that's what happened."

    Blabbermouth.net
  • DanimalDanimal Posts: 2,000
    Matty Boy wrote:
    I can't wait till Axl releases Chinese Democracy and crushes these traitors.

    Yes! They will be touring with Danger Danger, Cinderella, and Geraldo.
    "I don't believe in PJ fans but I believe there is something, not too sure what." - Thoughts_Arrive


  • Everybody rips scott including myself, but you cant deny his passion for his fans, this obviously has upset him, and I think its great that he is back on with stp, I hope he at least gets on a straighter path, he is super creative and a good singer.
    Some people have religion I have Pearl Jam.


    no more shows
  • Matty Boy wrote:
    I can't wait till Axl releases Chinese Democracy and crushes these traitors.

    ...............'and they were smite to the ground'.
  • iluvcatsiluvcats Posts: 5,153
    I asked the fan on brett's myspace about his source (brett replacing scott) and did he have a link to an article....it was wishful thinking he said.
    9/98, 9/00 - DC, 4/03 - Pitt., 7/03 - Bristow, 10/04 - Reading, 10/05 - Philly, 5/06 - DC, 6/06 - Pitt., 6/08 - Va Beach, 6/08 - DC, 5/10 - Bristow, 10/13 B'more
    8/08 - Ed solo in DC, 6/09 Ed in B'more,
    10/10 - Brad in B'more
  • Matty Boy wrote:
    Slash should have never walked out on W. Axl Rose. Axl will have the last laugh on Slash, Duff, and Matt when Chinese Democracy comes out.


    AMEN!
    Whats got the whole world faking?
  • elmerelmer Posts: 1,683
    Slash is too cool a fucker to have played with Scotty in the first place.
  • Matty BoyMatty Boy Posts: 421
    AMEN!
    I was just listening to "Better" today and thinking about how much ass Chinese Democracy will kick when it's finally released.
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