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  • Dr. Delight
    Dr. Delight Posts: 11,210
    facepollution said:

    Haha, kudos on pulling up a ten year old thread! It was really weird reading my past comments, though I still stand by them! And cheers for the heads up on the Live Through This reissue, I've just pre-ordered. I saw a few days ago that the original members were all hanging out together, I wonder if a reunion is on the cards......

    Thought the same thing. That would be great.
    And so you see, I have come to doubt
    All that I once held as true
    I stand alone without beliefs
    The only truth I know is you.
  • JH6056
    JH6056 Posts: 2,437
    "Live Through This" is a brilliant album and is probably a good part of the reason I passed the Bar exam the first time (listened to it a ton while working out before Bar review). I saw Hole many times on the Live Through This tour as well and they were fantastic live, never quite the same show twice. Saw them twice on later tours, not the same band or the same amazing energy.

    All that said, I still remain convinced that Kurt Cobain wrote most of Live Through This, or at least co-wrote most of it. The fact that her lyrical content was never like that again is certainly part of the evidence for me. It also just sounds like his writing. So as much as I loved that album and that tour, their live show and musicianship is all I give them full credit for. We'll never really know how the songwriting of the album itself breaks down. Courtney's the only one alive now who knows.
  • JH6056
    JH6056 Posts: 2,437
    Obsidian22 said:

    I agree with facepollution. Courtney's an underrated lyricist. Hole rocks. I miss

    her anger and honesty. Angst!

    VIOLET

    And the sky was made of amethyst

    And all the stars looked just like little fish

    You should learn when to go

    You should learn how to say no



    Might last a day yeah

    Minus forever

    Might last a day yeah

    Minus forever



    When they get what they want

    And they never want it again

    When they get what they want

    And they never want it again



    Go on take everything, take everything I want you to

    Go on take everything, take everything I want you to



    And the sky was all violet

    I want it again, but violent more violent

    I'm the one with no soul

    One above and one below

    Might last a day, minus forever

    Might last a day, minus forever



    and so on... hmmmm! cheers from Toronto.

    Probably my favorite song on Live Through This. And as I said above, I am pretty sure Kurt Cobain wrote it, or at minimum co-wrote it. Which doesn't take away from what a great song it is. I just cannot and will not give Courtney full credit for it. And by the way, I'm a woman who absolutely adores and celebrates amazing female artists in all genres. And I also call it like I see it when I think men ripped off someone. So this isn't about gender. It's about the music and lyrics and whose work it sounds just like, and the fact that she was never able to come even close to the lyrics on this album again (beyond maybe a line or two on later albums, but not even a whole song).
  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    I really don't buy any of that, the lyrics are so female-centric and autobiographical. I also do think she came close to that again, the lyrics to Reasons To Be Beautiful and Dying are just as powerful to me.
    I don't think it's any secret that Courtney is better when she collaborates - the same can be said for many respected artists.

    If anything, I think that Nirvana's move to a more melodic style acted as a guide to many acts of that era, Hole included.



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