What a sellout!!!

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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    lowlight10 wrote:
    dude, if i looked like cornell, i'd be modeling too. and if i was in the shape that kravitz is in, i'd probably do most videos with my shirt off. and i'm a very straight guy.

    we have to remember that these people dont create the pedestal that the media and fans put them on. fans, especially on this board, are always freakin out about seeing mike on the street or planning on how they can meet the band. they're just people. theyre very talented artists, but still human. they have tastes, desires, habits, just like you and me. the ridiculous expectations and limits that you put on them, in my eyes, is a reflection on you, not them.

    i expect nothing more than that musicians earn their accolades based on their music, not their looks.
  • Being a sell out is letting others dictate what you do with your career. As long as you are staying true to what YOU want to do, and your expression as an artist, you aren't selling out.

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  • libragirl wrote:
    yeah i dunno about that...their is only so far you could get with a small record label. If your looking to get more exposure you need to major one. It's unfortunate but it seems to be the case. Im an AFI fan...and I really don't see how them moving on to dreamworks matters. Although AOD is still my fav. album...they've yet to really make that one breakout one...imo

    I don't think that record swithching record labels schouldn't be considered selling out( keep in mind I think the term is bullshit). Switching up record labels is a good buisness move. The bigger the more to offer. It is all about money.



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  • seagoat2seagoat2 Posts: 241
    Yes, I agree.....relax ppl.....sellout, shmellout - People have families to support.

    Having said that, I really don't want to see a PJ song in a car commercial....there are ways to protect your talent & use it in a way that's not silly or greedy...whatever.
  • hailhail82hailhail82 Posts: 330
    Whoever started this thread has balls!!!

    It doesn't take balls to make an anonymous complaint on a message board about what other anonymous people say about celebrities and musicians.
    Using the word "methinks" in your message board posts doesn't make you look smart.
  • lowlight10lowlight10 Posts: 619
    i expect nothing more than that musicians earn their accolades based on their music, not their looks.

    what accolades?
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    lowlight10 wrote:
    what accolades?

    fame, respect, attention, promotion, reverence... pick your word. artists should have their art judged on its merit, not by how good their ass looks in CK jeans.
  • drivingrldrivingrl Posts: 1,448
    I don't think Gwen Stefani is a sellout for giving advice for the kids on American Idol anymore than I think the Rolling Stones sold out for doing Ed Sullivan's show.

    People really need to lighten up.

    No, I'm sorry, but I have to put my foot down when it comes to Gwen Stefani. She is a sell out.

    Granted, Gwen Stefani has only ever written one song - from one of my favorite records 'Return of Saturn' - but at least when she was lead singer of No Doubt there was something behind her lyrics. The band wrote the music, she wrote the lyrics, and the lyrics were honest and heart-felt because they came from her moments of joy and moments of suffering.

    What does Gwen Stefani write about now? Being a hollaback girl? "Cleaning out Vivienne Westwood in her Galiano gown?" One of two things is happening here: 1. Gwen Stefani has thrown away the opportunity to write the same heart-felt songs she had been writing for years and traded in that opportunity to make lots of money and a fucking fashion line or 2. The "music" she "makes" now is a reflection of her true self, and the songs she's contributed to previously were a sham.

    I don't know which idea is more heartbreaking, quite honestly.
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  • lowlight10lowlight10 Posts: 619
    fame, respect, attention, promotion, reverence... pick your word. artists should have their art judged on its merit, not by how good their ass looks in CK jeans.

    come on man, be realistic! granted, these things increase exposure, but we live in a superficial world. i think youre letting your thoughts about certain actions, like modeling, affect your feelings about the art. its not like he's out there marketing cigarettes or child porn. if you think any art is judged 100% on its merit, youre kidding yourself.

    personally, it doesnt bother me. if pearl jam has to promote their record in order to get more independence/options with other things, thats fine. if they talk to that rag rolling stone just because they want to talk, thats fine. they can do what they want, when they want. theyve earned that freedom.

    i love PJ as much as the next guy and have followed them religiously for the last 14 years, and will continue to do so until the day i die, but you cant be so over-protective of it. its unrealistic and youre setting yourself up for a letdown.
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  • lowlight10lowlight10 Posts: 619
    gwen sucks. still.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    lowlight10 wrote:
    come on man, be realistic! granted, these things increase exposure, but we live in a superficial world. i think youre letting your thoughts about certain actions, like modeling, affect your feelings about the art. its not like he's out there marketing cigarettes or child porn. if you think any art is judged 100% on its merit, youre kidding yourself.

    personally, it doesnt bother me. if pearl jam has to promote their record in order to get more independence/options with other things, thats fine. if they talk to that rag rolling stone just because they want to talk, thats fine. they can do what they want, when they want. theyve earned that freedom.

    i love PJ as much as the next guy and have followed them religiously for the last 14 years, and will continue to do so until the day i die, but you cant be so over-protective of it. its unrealistic and youre setting yourself up for a letdown.

    overprotective of what? im not overprotective of anything. i dont give a damn who pearl jam talks to. i just dont like chris cornell whoring for CK of whoever he's posing for. it's weird. yeah, in general i dont like modeling. it's a ridiculous profession and fosters a spiritually bankrupt, superficial culture. not like im telling chris what to do. not like im saying soundgarden didnt have some good tunes. just saying posing and modeling to move product seems ethically opposed to everything soundgarden's music stood for... being on the outside and angry about it.
  • lowlight10lowlight10 Posts: 619
    in my opinion, youre doing exactly what youre preaching against...judging someone's art based on something external.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    lowlight10 wrote:
    in my opinion, youre doing exactly what youre preaching against...judging someone's art based on something external.

    according to you it's impossible to do anything else. that the image is part of the art. therefore, arent we all justified in criticizing their art based on the image associated with it? perhaps to an extent i am. but that's why i dislike this shit. cos now i cant hear chris cornell without hearing in between every lyrics "i am a sexy bitch and if you want to get laid as much as i do, you will buy CK jeans to be more like me. now go lemming, buy some clothes, try to fit in, and listen to me wail on the chorus."
  • some bands ARE simply sellouts, sacrificing quality for a quick buck.
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  • I would have a problem with artists like R.E.M. and Pearl Jam doing commercial things. Not because of the commercials themselves, but because both bands are so vocal about being against it.

    I am a fan of Gwen Stefani, U2, and The Rolling Stones. I kind of like some of the commercial things they've done. how dull would the world be if every artist promoted themselves like Pearl Jam? (they are the greatest band on Earth, but I wouldn't want every artist shunning the spotlight like they do)
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  • angryyoungmanangryyoungman Medford, NY Posts: 1,028
    I would have a problem with artists like R.E.M. and Pearl Jam doing commercial things. Not because of the commercials themselves, but because both bands are so vocal about being against it.

    I am a fan of Gwen Stefani, U2, and The Rolling Stones. I kind of like some of the commercial things they've done. how dull would the world be if every artist promoted themselves like Pearl Jam? (they are the greatest band on Earth, but I wouldn't want every artist shunning the spotlight like they do)
    it would be a breath of fresh air, actually
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  • lowlight10lowlight10 Posts: 619
    according to you it's impossible to do anything else. that the image is part of the art. therefore, arent we all justified in criticizing their art based on the image associated with it? perhaps to an extent i am. but that's why i dislike this shit. cos now i cant hear chris cornell without hearing in between every lyrics "i am a sexy bitch and if you want to get laid as much as i do, you will buy CK jeans to be more like me. now go lemming, buy some clothes, try to fit in, and listen to me wail on the chorus."

    maybe i'm just not that attached to advertising, because i dont think of an ipod when i hear vertigo, or jeans when i see cornell, or any of the other products when i hear a song.

    if it affects your enjoyment of music THAT much, that you can no longer enjoy the artist, that sucks and i dont blame you for being bothered. i really dont think its a huge deal and think its just another thing people like being pissed off about because they are looking for something to rage against.
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  • SLH916SLH916 Posts: 132
    lowlight10 wrote:
    maybe i'm just not that attached to advertising, because i dont think of an ipod when i hear vertigo, or jeans when i see cornell, or any of the other products when i hear a song.

    if it affects your enjoyment of music THAT much, that you can no longer enjoy the artist, that sucks and i dont blame you for being bothered. i really dont think its a huge deal and think its just another thing people like being pissed off about because they are looking for something to rage against.

    This is a really interesting thread. I agree that the word sell-out is overused. If you don't sell any records, you probably aren't going to get the opportunity to make very many. But there is a certain sleaziness factor that exists within the recording industry, regardless of what artist you talking about.

    I saw an interview with Peter Wentz from Fall Out Boy in which he was talking about how important to him it is to sell a lot of records. Fall Out Boy very systematically thinks about what can be done to maximize the commercial potential of each song. I guess that makes them sell-outs, but does that make the music bad? Most of the people on this board would probably say yes, but a lot of kids out there would disagree.

    Pearl Jam have never written songs based on what they thought might be "commercial," and I'm not trying to downgrade the impact of Ten in the early 90's, but Epic did sell a certain number of copies of Ten based on the fact that Eddie had a nice body and looked good in long hair.
  • bill hicks has a great rant about how if you ever do a commercial you are automatically off the artistic roll call. it's pretty funny.

    Don't forget Bill Hicks gave Willie Nelson an exemption. I miss Hicks. He'd have a fucking field day with the bands of today.
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  • Don't forget Bill Hicks gave Willie Nelson an exemption. I miss Hicks. He'd have a fucking field day with the bands of today.

    Not to mention the reality TV phenomenon. Remember his TV show?....."Let's Hunt and Kill Billy Ray Cyrus."
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    the other foot in the gutter
    sweet smell that they adore
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  • I am a fan of Gwen Stefani, U2, and The Rolling Stones. I kind of like some of the commercial things they've done. how dull would the world be if every artist promoted themselves like Pearl Jam? (they are the greatest band on Earth, but I wouldn't want every artist shunning the spotlight like they do)

    I hate to quote the master Bill Hicks again.....but here goes.

    "They're whores at the capitalist gang bang."
    one foot in the door
    the other foot in the gutter
    sweet smell that they adore
    I think I'd rather smother
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  • superdeluxesuperdeluxe Posts: 119
    Yes I am sick of the word.

    It seems people call bands sellouts..when they become popular (Gasp. Success!)

    Its like Death cab for Cutie/Modest Mouse. Back in the late 90's early 2000's no one else really knew about these bands. Its all this elitist bullcrap, But once other people started liking them, elitist hipsters started spouting off about these bands being sell outs. Why? Because other people are finally hearing their music? Its like they can't horde their indie elitist music.

    Get over it people.
  • dirtyTdirtyT Posts: 3,620
    Is anyone else sick of the overused, lost all meaning term "sellout?" Anytime a musician does anything, a certain portion of the population calls them a "sellout."

    If an artist follows a successful record with a similar one, they are a sellout because they only stuck with what sold well. But if they try something new, they are a sellout for doing that.

    Doing videos, appearing on American Idol, letting video game companies use your song, playing on talk shows....that isn't selling out. That is the world we live in today. If I made a record, I'd want to be sure people heard it. I'd hate for that work to go to waste. And I know damn well that FM radio and MTV can't be counted on to get the songs out there.

    A perfect example is Metallica, I hate Metallica because I think they are douchebags and the only likable member (Jason Newstead) left because he thought they were douchebags too, Even though I hate them, I have to laugh when people call them sellouts. I would never expect a 45 year old James Hetfield to be as angry as he was at 22. Times change, artists grow up and want to try new things. It doesn't make them a sellout.

    Just because a few artists like to keep their "integrity" by not "selling out to the man" when they release a record, it doesn't mean that the other artists are some kind of whore.

    I don't think Gwen Stefani is a sellout for giving advice for the kids on American Idol anymore than I think the Rolling Stones sold out for doing Ed Sullivan's show.

    People really need to lighten up.

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  • libragirllibragirl Posts: 4,632
    I don't think that record swithching record labels schouldn't be considered selling out( keep in mind I think the term is bullshit). Switching up record labels is a good buisness move. The bigger the more to offer. It is all about money.


    yeah, but it's about getting more exposure too...indy labels could only do so much for a band. People always look at it in a negative way. Hell I want a better job that pays more..maybe that makes me a sellout :p
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  • HaijayHaijay Posts: 376
    hippiemom wrote:
    ""You do a commercial, you're off the artistic roll call forever, end of story. You're another corporate fucking shill, another whore at the capitalist gang-bang. If you do a commercial everything you say is suspect and every word that comes out of your mouth is now like a turd falling into my drink." :D

    I don't think anyone has summed it up better than Tom Waits though:

    "Songs carry emotional information and some transport us back to a poignant time, place or event in our lives. It's no wonder a corporation would want to hitch a ride on the spell these songs cast and encourage you to buy soft drinks, underwear or automobiles while you're in the trance. Artists who take money for ads poison and pervert their songs. It reduces them to the level of a jingle, a word that describes the sound of change in your pocket, which is what your songs become. Remember, when you sell your songs for commercials, you are selling your audience as well.

    When I was a kid, if I saw an artist I admired doing a commercial, I'd think, "Too bad, he must really need the money." But now it's so pervasive. It's a virus. Artists are lining up to do ads. The money and exposure are too tantalizing for most artists to decline. Corporations are hoping to hijack a culture's memories for their product. They want an artist's audience, credibility, good will and all the energy the songs have gathered as well as given over the years. They suck the life and meaning from the songs and impregnate them with promises of a better life with their product."
    fucken-a. that's why pj turned away from it all.theyfelt the same way. tom waits is smart dude
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    lowlight10 wrote:
    maybe i'm just not that attached to advertising, because i dont think of an ipod when i hear vertigo, or jeans when i see cornell, or any of the other products when i hear a song.

    if it affects your enjoyment of music THAT much, that you can no longer enjoy the artist, that sucks and i dont blame you for being bothered. i really dont think its a huge deal and think its just another thing people like being pissed off about because they are looking for something to rage against.

    actually, i never think of ipods when i listen to u2. i just dont like cornell and never have and finding out that he was deciding to try and get by on his looks these days only confirmed what i always suspected: he wasnt half as talented as people want to believe.
  • larslars Posts: 524
    actually, i never think of ipods when i listen to u2. i just dont like cornell and never have and finding out that he was deciding to try and get by on his looks these days only confirmed what i always suspected: he wasnt half as talented as people want to believe.
    I actually think I´m gonna agree with soulsinging here....yes, the day did come :-) Cornell has a good voice but his songwriting is not strong enough standing alone...he needs soundgarden, especially the badmotorfinger era. He was cool at that time, but since then he´s just gotten more and more french....prettyboy. He is a true sellout from what he came from.
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  • RicsardRicsard Posts: 1,943
    Sellout? This word has a connotation of disappointment...
    I had been an enthusiastic long time RHCP fan till By The Way came out...I could not believe they chose the easiest and most secure way to remain an elite pop act. Their crazy and innovative One Hot Minute (a top record) was a commercial flop and letdown so Frusciante's return produced a predictable but still good album called Californication. But since 2002-2003 their music to me simply sounds boring, mediocre, uncreative and powerless and totally unemotional. They kinda sound like a third class empty RHCP clone.
    Don't get me wrong:
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    Here's where I get disappointed in bands. The Violent Femmes gave "Blister in the Sun" to Wendy's. :(
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    i expect nothing more than that musicians earn their accolades based on their music, not their looks.

    oh conor you're simply asking too much. ;):D:p




    I met a boy wearing vans, 501s, and a
    Dope beastie t, nipple rings, and
    New tattoos that claimed that he
    Was ogt,
    From 92,
    The first ep.

    And in between
    Sips of coke
    He told me that
    He thought
    We were sellin out,
    Layin down,
    Suckin up
    To the man.

    Well now Ive got some
    A-dvice for you, little buddy.
    Before you point the finger
    You should know that
    Im the man,

    And if Im the man,
    Then youre the man, and
    Hes the man as well so you can
    Point that fuckin finger up your ass.

    All you know about me is what Ive sold you,
    Dumb fuck.
    I sold out long before you ever heard my name.

    I sold my soul to make a record,
    Dip shit,
    And you bought one.

    So Ive got some
    Advice for you, little buddy.
    Before you point your finger
    You should know that
    Im the man,
    If Im the fuckin man
    Then youre the fuckin man as well
    So you can
    Point that fuckin finger up your ass.

    All you know about me is what Ive sold you,
    Dumb fuck.
    I sold out long before you ever heard my name.

    I sold my soul to make a record,
    Dip shit,
    And you bought one.

    All you read and
    Wear or see and
    Hear on tv
    Is a product
    Begging for your
    Fatass dirty
    Dollar

    So...shut up and

    Buy my new record
    Send more money
    Fuck you, buddy.
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
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