Consider this, what if it was a new band, their first record... does the album still suck then? I don't think so.
I say yes.
I hated it that much.
They say I'm rappin like BIG, jay, and tupac
Andre 3000 where is eryka badu at
Who dat
Who dat said dey gon beat lil wayne
My name ain't Bic but I keep dat flame man
i have said it in other posts about Zeitgeist and i will say it again. i don't understand the hate for it. i admit i haven't listened to it in a while but there seems to have been piles of music that i like thats been pushing things through my ipod every 2 weeks or so.
IMO, Zeitgeist freaking rocked. it was heavy and loud and awesome. i don't know if its there second best, but i would place it above Adore and Machina. as much as melancholy blew them up and i assume would be your #1, i don't think its there best. it was very hit and miss. the hits were amazing but the misses were up to and including terrible. my favorites list would probably be as follows:
honestly, like how people like to knock on pearl jam saying that everything after VS or Vitalogy is crap, i think thats what people are doing with Zeitgeist. Most people are probably pissy cause Darcy and Iha are not in the band so they all jumped on the same hate bandwagon to cry about it.
Can you give us a reason for that? Fair enough if thats your opinion, but I think there's lots about Zeitgeist that make it a worthwhile release. Doomsday Clock, Bleeding the Orchid, Tarantula, JC's drumming for example. Strong overall album i reckon.
The songs are not catchy, no great melodies, the vocals are shit, alot of it just sounds like one giant jam session of hitting guitar strings as fast as possible, lacking the nice synth of other albums, it does not have any nice mellow songs (no that last crap song on the record does not count), the production is awful. To top it off they didnt even release more than one single (which was by far their worst single). That enough of a reason?
Here is how I rank the records (this was tough because these are all so good with the exception of Zeitgeist)
Siamese Dream
Mellon Collie
Machina
Adore
Gish
Zeitgeist (its so bad I dont even want to put it near the other records)
Alpine Valley 2000
Summerfest 2006
"Why would they come to our concert just to boo us?" -Lisa Simpson
the production on the copy of Zeitgeist i have sounds great, but i admit i've been listening to Pearl Jam's O'brien-less albums lately and everything sounds great compared to that shit.
I'd say the glaring difference between this and other Pumpkins albums is the lyrics, they definately aren't on the same level as Mellon Collie or Siamese Dream.
For the record, Billy and Jimmy were the only ones who really played on the albums anyways. James and Darcey were mostly just the for touring sake cause Billy did all the guitar and Bass on Siamese Dream. He's a control freak like Trent Reznor but I think they are both brilliant musicans
If that's the case, then why not call his solo album a Smashing Pumpkins album? Why even break up the band in the first place? He could have just fired James and Darcey and found two new musicians willing to put up with his bullshit. I am sure James and Darcey would have a lot to say if told they basically didn't do anything in the band. That would be a hysterical conversation.
But aside from all of that, it's Corgan that's the biggest problem on Zeitgeist. His vocals are atrocious (and I mean bad, even for him). He basically sounded like he didn't give a shit. Everything sounds apathetic.
It makes much more sense to live in the present tense.
All these people who say Billy did everything i dont think its true. Ive seen a lot of interviews and to my memory i remember billy saying that he didn't play everything but then again he could be lying and also the story on the vieuphoria therapy session actually has some truth in so maybe it was the case.
hmm
I just felt zeitgeist was too perfect.. there was no rawness to it unlike all their other work and especially their live shows shows reflects this. Just listen to any 93 show and the passion and energy that goes into the performances is electric. Probably why i prefer live versions of pretty much every song rather than the studio.
Beavis: All my friends are brown and red? What does that mean?
Butthead: It means that his friends are like turds and that they like suck.
Beavis: Heh heh. Oh yeah. Yeah! Get those spoons out of my face before I shove them up your butt!
Butthead: Huh huh.
James and D'arcy left! He replaced them with Jeff and Ginger, lol its not a solo album cause he still has Jimmy drumming etc. I understand it may be a band that you love or hate but to bash his vocals I dont understand because he has always sounded like that which is the allure of the Pumpkins.
Siamese Dream is one of the top 3 albums of the nineties to me. after that its:
2: zeitgeist
3: melancholy
4: the rest
You think Zeitgeist is better than MCIS?
I know everyone has their own opinion, but man you are totally wrong.
They say I'm rappin like BIG, jay, and tupac
Andre 3000 where is eryka badu at
Who dat
Who dat said dey gon beat lil wayne
My name ain't Bic but I keep dat flame man
heh. MCIS doesnt come close. a lot of filler and i hate Bullet w Butterfly Wings.
WOW. Just fucking WOW. You have got to kidding me. please relisten and change your opinion before you disgrace all of Rock and Roll.
They say I'm rappin like BIG, jay, and tupac
Andre 3000 where is eryka badu at
Who dat
Who dat said dey gon beat lil wayne
My name ain't Bic but I keep dat flame man
heh. MCIS doesnt come close. a lot of filler and i hate Bullet w Butterfly Wings.
Are you insane? Mellon Collie has the least filler of any double album. I would take any one decent song from Mellon Collie over the whole Zeitgeist album.
Alpine Valley 2000
Summerfest 2006
"Why would they come to our concert just to boo us?" -Lisa Simpson
Yeah the last album kind of disappointed me... I like the pumpkins, I do... I just kind of loath Billy Corgan at this point... I think he's kind of dramatic and a bit too theatrical... which now a days comes off kind of corny and a bit cheese.
Anyone see the new Watchmen trailer? I love that it has The end is the beginning is the end on it. here let me find it on youtube....
Tonight, Tonight
Jellybelly
Here Is No Why
To Forgive
An Ode To No One (Fuck You)
Galapogos
Porcelina
Where the Boys Fear To Tread
Bodies
Thirty-Three
1979
Thru The Eyes Of Ruby
Stumbleine
XYU
Pretty good is an understatement. MCIS is classic.
They say I'm rappin like BIG, jay, and tupac
Andre 3000 where is eryka badu at
Who dat
Who dat said dey gon beat lil wayne
My name ain't Bic but I keep dat flame man
Yeah the last album kind of disappointed me... I like the pumpkins, I do... I just kind of loath Billy Corgan at this point... I think he's kind of dramatic and a bit too theatrical... which now a days comes off kind of corny and a bit cheese.
Anyone see the new Watchmen trailer? I love that it has The end is the beginning is the end on it. here let me find it on youtube....
I cannot wait for this movie.... as a very big comic book nerd and Watchmen fanboy. lulz.
Yeah, I love how they use that song simply to take a jab at shitty comic book movies...because he song was on the Batman And Robin soundtrack.
Still a cool song, and looks like an aweosme movie.
They say I'm rappin like BIG, jay, and tupac
Andre 3000 where is eryka badu at
Who dat
Who dat said dey gon beat lil wayne
My name ain't Bic but I keep dat flame man
Tonight, Tonight
Jellybelly
Here Is No Why
To Forgive
An Ode To No One (Fuck You)
Galapogos
Porcelina
Where the Boys Fear To Tread
Bodies
Thirty-Three
1979
Thru The Eyes Of Ruby
Stumbleine
XYU
Pretty good is an understatement. MCIS is classic.
Let's not also forget....
In the Arms of Sleep
Tales of a Scorched Earth
Beautiful
By Starlight
I really do think people underrate gish... its a fucking ace album. Every track just owns + live each song is just insane.. just like pj early 90s.. but imo better.
I really do think people underrate gish... its a fucking ace album. Every track just owns + live each song is just insane.. just like pj early 90s.. but imo better.
While I wouldn't say it's better than PJ, I will agree that Gish is a "fucking ace album." Lots of distortion and a lot of goth and pop influence help separate it from other Pumpkins albums.
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I say yes.
I hated it that much.
Andre 3000 where is eryka badu at
Who dat
Who dat said dey gon beat lil wayne
My name ain't Bic but I keep dat flame man
2008 CHICAGO CUBS MAGIC NUMBER = 62
BEAR DOWN!!!!!
IMO, Zeitgeist freaking rocked. it was heavy and loud and awesome. i don't know if its there second best, but i would place it above Adore and Machina. as much as melancholy blew them up and i assume would be your #1, i don't think its there best. it was very hit and miss. the hits were amazing but the misses were up to and including terrible. my favorites list would probably be as follows:
Siamese Dream
Melancholy
Pisces Iscariot (HIGHLY UNDERRATED)
Gish
Zeitgeist
everything else
honestly, like how people like to knock on pearl jam saying that everything after VS or Vitalogy is crap, i think thats what people are doing with Zeitgeist. Most people are probably pissy cause Darcy and Iha are not in the band so they all jumped on the same hate bandwagon to cry about it.
2: zeitgeist
3: melancholy
4: the rest
The songs are not catchy, no great melodies, the vocals are shit, alot of it just sounds like one giant jam session of hitting guitar strings as fast as possible, lacking the nice synth of other albums, it does not have any nice mellow songs (no that last crap song on the record does not count), the production is awful. To top it off they didnt even release more than one single (which was by far their worst single). That enough of a reason?
Here is how I rank the records (this was tough because these are all so good with the exception of Zeitgeist)
Siamese Dream
Mellon Collie
Machina
Adore
Gish
Zeitgeist (its so bad I dont even want to put it near the other records)
Summerfest 2006
"Why would they come to our concert just to boo us?" -Lisa Simpson
Did Mellon Collie even have good lyrics?
"God is empty, just like me."
If that's the case, then why not call his solo album a Smashing Pumpkins album? Why even break up the band in the first place? He could have just fired James and Darcey and found two new musicians willing to put up with his bullshit. I am sure James and Darcey would have a lot to say if told they basically didn't do anything in the band. That would be a hysterical conversation.
But aside from all of that, it's Corgan that's the biggest problem on Zeitgeist. His vocals are atrocious (and I mean bad, even for him). He basically sounded like he didn't give a shit. Everything sounds apathetic.
hmm
I just felt zeitgeist was too perfect.. there was no rawness to it unlike all their other work and especially their live shows shows reflects this. Just listen to any 93 show and the passion and energy that goes into the performances is electric. Probably why i prefer live versions of pretty much every song rather than the studio.
LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT! BRING THE LIIIIIGHT!
Butthead: It means that his friends are like turds and that they like suck.
Beavis: Heh heh. Oh yeah. Yeah! Get those spoons out of my face before I shove them up your butt!
Butthead: Huh huh.
-Eddie Vedder
6/24/06 Cincinatti, Ohio
6/14/08 Manchester, Tennessee
You think Zeitgeist is better than MCIS?
I know everyone has their own opinion, but man you are totally wrong.
Andre 3000 where is eryka badu at
Who dat
Who dat said dey gon beat lil wayne
My name ain't Bic but I keep dat flame man
2008 CHICAGO CUBS MAGIC NUMBER = 62
BEAR DOWN!!!!!
Definitely the best song on the album, in my opinion. In fact, the whole album's really great except for "United States" and "Starz".
WOW. Just fucking WOW. You have got to kidding me. please relisten and change your opinion before you disgrace all of Rock and Roll.
Andre 3000 where is eryka badu at
Who dat
Who dat said dey gon beat lil wayne
My name ain't Bic but I keep dat flame man
2008 CHICAGO CUBS MAGIC NUMBER = 62
BEAR DOWN!!!!!
Are you insane? Mellon Collie has the least filler of any double album. I would take any one decent song from Mellon Collie over the whole Zeitgeist album.
Summerfest 2006
"Why would they come to our concert just to boo us?" -Lisa Simpson
its an pretty good album.
Anyone see the new Watchmen trailer? I love that it has The end is the beginning is the end on it. here let me find it on youtube....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4blSrZvPhU
I cannot wait for this movie.... as a very big comic book nerd and Watchmen fanboy. lulz.
You forgot these...
Tonight, Tonight
Jellybelly
Here Is No Why
To Forgive
An Ode To No One (Fuck You)
Galapogos
Porcelina
Where the Boys Fear To Tread
Bodies
Thirty-Three
1979
Thru The Eyes Of Ruby
Stumbleine
XYU
Pretty good is an understatement. MCIS is classic.
Andre 3000 where is eryka badu at
Who dat
Who dat said dey gon beat lil wayne
My name ain't Bic but I keep dat flame man
2008 CHICAGO CUBS MAGIC NUMBER = 62
BEAR DOWN!!!!!
Yeah, I love how they use that song simply to take a jab at shitty comic book movies...because he song was on the Batman And Robin soundtrack.
Still a cool song, and looks like an aweosme movie.
Andre 3000 where is eryka badu at
Who dat
Who dat said dey gon beat lil wayne
My name ain't Bic but I keep dat flame man
2008 CHICAGO CUBS MAGIC NUMBER = 62
BEAR DOWN!!!!!
Let's not also forget....
In the Arms of Sleep
Tales of a Scorched Earth
Beautiful
By Starlight
This is by far the BEST Pumpkins album. Period.
-Eddie Vedder
6/24/06 Cincinatti, Ohio
6/14/08 Manchester, Tennessee
I still prefer Siamese Dream, but Mellon Collie is an absolute beast of an album.
No! you remove that period, mister!
That last track kills me, it's like a bad Christmas song, reminds me of East 17's Stay Another Day :(
In saying all that, I still love the album.
you say this obviously not reliezing corgan just laryerd himself on each track about 20 times
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And it sucks on this album. His final vocal product is shit.
See These Bones
While I wouldn't say it's better than PJ, I will agree that Gish is a "fucking ace album." Lots of distortion and a lot of goth and pop influence help separate it from other Pumpkins albums.
-Eddie Vedder
6/24/06 Cincinatti, Ohio
6/14/08 Manchester, Tennessee