Led Zeppelin = ripoffs? (On Howard Stern)

NickyNooch

Anyone listen to Howard Stern this morning? They had a guy come in from http://www.classicrockcentral.com/ and the guy proved convincingly that Led Zeppelin ripped off their entire 1st album off other artists.

WOW. I am a Zeppelin fan, so I understand the rebuttals I'll get, but after listening to the proof (they played clips from the other bands where lyrics were BLATANTLY ripped off) I'm convinced... Zeppelin ripped off a LOT of people.

There is no way this is accidental either. Kinda sad that one of the greatest rock bands on the planet just stole other peoples material in a Puff Daddy fashion. No wonder that Godzilla song came out with Page and Puffy haha. They have a lot in common.

Anyways, I hope someone else listened to this. I know people who didn't listen to Stern this morning are gonna come back at me on this, but anyone who DID listen to Stern will find it hard to have Zeppelin's back on this one.

FinsburyParkCarrots

"When I hear a group like Led Zeppelin - without being derogatory about them - I'm not hearing any new riffs coming out of that style of band which I didn't hear put down four years ago."


- Mitch Mitchell, 1971

NickyNooch

I should also add if anyone has a link if someone converted todays show to mp3 I'd love to hear it again... it really blew my mind how obvious it was.

holtz

It's pretty common knowledge that Zep blatantly stole from old bluesmen

jdub3001

I heard it. Wasn't surprised at all that they covered so many songs, but I was very surprised that they took credit for all of them. I still think they are a great band, but apparently they just couldn't write their own stuff in the early days.

jdub3001

NickyNooch wrote:

I should also add if anyone has a link if someone converted todays show to mp3 I'd love to hear it again... it really blew my mind how obvious it was.

I'm listening to Howard 100 right now, and I think the Zep segment is going to be replayed here in a few - Sal is blowing up right now over his wife, and I think the segment in question is right after this one...

NickyNooch

jdub3001 wrote:

I'm listening to Howard 100 right now, and I think the Zep segment is going to be replayed here in a few - Sal is blowing up right now over his wife, and I think the segment in question is right after this one...

Yeah Sal is definately gonna get a divorce over the emotional friend haha. The bit should be up next. Yet I'm at work argh!

lksammkt

I know!!! What I thought was really weird was yesterday's show Howard was promoting the 4th of July Music special with all these Led Zeppelin covers from Incubus & STP. Than today - having Led Zeppelin ripoffs segment.

funkymonk

That shouldn't come as much of a surprise as most of the early blue rock acts from the 60s-70s (Cream, Stones, Hendrix, etc...) borrowed heavily from the old bluesman. Then later on, you see newer bands (GNR, Black Crowes, Wolfmother) borrowing heavily from the previously mentioned groups. Very little music out there is completely original. Some acts are just better at disguising it than others.

VrJxS

That segment was great.

Wasn't it Page and/or Plant who bitched about GTF ripping of Going to California???

Talk about the pot and the kettle.

VrJxS

funkymonk wrote:

That shouldn't come as much of a surprise as most of the early blue rock acts from the 60s-70s (Cream, Stones, Hendrix, etc...) borrowed heavily from the old bluesman. Then later on, you see newer bands (GNR, Black Crowes, Wolfmother) borrowing heavily from the previously mentioned groups. Very little music out there is completely original. Some acts are just better at disguising it than others.

Wasn't merely "borrowed"

A lot of it was note for note, same melody and all. They never gave anyone else any credit either.

Sathogwa

Yeah, this isn't new. It was a controversy when those albums first came out. In fact surviving members of Willie Dixon's estate (I believe) sued Zeppelin just a couple of years ago. When asked about it both Page and Plant are pretty upfront about it, its not like they are hiding anything, but they should have been more generous with crediting on those albums in my opinion.

NOCODE#1

NickyNooch wrote:

Anyone listen to Howard Stern this morning? They had a guy come in from http://www.classicrockcentral.com/ and the guy proved convincingly that Led Zeppelin ripped off their entire 1st album off other artists.

WOW. I am a Zeppelin fan, so I understand the rebuttals I'll get, but after listening to the proof (they played clips from the other bands where lyrics were BLATANTLY ripped off) I'm convinced... Zeppelin ripped off a LOT of people.

There is no way this is accidental either. Kinda sad that one of the greatest rock bands on the planet just stole other peoples material in a Puff Daddy fashion. No wonder that Godzilla song came out with Page and Puffy haha. They have a lot in common.

Anyways, I hope someone else listened to this. I know people who didn't listen to Stern this morning are gonna come back at me on this, but anyone who DID listen to Stern will find it hard to have Zeppelin's back on this one.

everyone steals from everyone, only one player could play like bonham and that was buddy rich (maybe neil piert)

NOCODE#1

Sathogwa wrote:

but they should have been more generous with crediting on those albums in my opinion.

nah

its music

dont_go_on_me

VrJxS wrote:

That segment was great.

Wasn't it Page and/or Plant who bitched about GTF ripping of Going to California???

Talk about the pot and the kettle.

they never got pissed or complained about it, merely made a few jokes in jist...see HOB Chicago with Plant as an example.

Sathogwa

NOCODE#1 wrote:

nah

its music

Not to the starving blues artist who isn't getting paid for what they created, while someone else is making millions off the exact same thing.

FinsburyParkCarrots

NOCODE#1 wrote:

everyone steals from everyone, only one player could play like bonham and that was buddy rich (maybe neil piert)

Ever see/hear Dannie Richmond, Charles Mingus's drummer, take the piss, savagely, cruelly, out of Bonham, in a mock-rock drum solo?

Richmond could stop in the middle of a drum solo, stay perfectly still for ages, and come back in on anywhere he liked - and I mean anywhere - and it would be near-on perfect.

Songburst

don't_go_on_me wrote:

they never got pissed or complained about it, merely made a few jokes in jist...see HOB Chicago with Plant as an example.

I thought that they did get pissed and threatened legal action resulting in Pearl Jam donating all of the proceeds from the sale of the Given to Fly single to a charity of Page and/or Plants choice. I could be wrong though.

glasshouse

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

Ever see/hear Dannie Richmond, Charles Mingus's drummer, take the piss, savagely, cruelly, out of Bonham, in a mock-rock drum solo?

Richmond could stop in the middle of a drum solo, stay perfectly still for ages, and come back in on anywhere he liked - and I mean anywhere - and it would be near-on perfect.

are you suggesting that bonham was not a super-fantastic-superior drummer? if so, you are an idiot. i had to say that, cause sometimes the truth hurts my brother

Blind Melon

Haha, I'm just surprised they actually played the Incubus cover... that one's a bit hard to come by, and at that, it sucks... well it's not that bad, just shite recording.

glasshouse

99.9999% of all artists will take existing ideas/music/art, take little pieces from different places and mold it into something new. basically what i'm saying is most artists are "rip-offs" in some way or form.

getting back to led zep - even if they blatantly ripped off other artists, it doesn't really matter in the slightest as far as i'm concerned because i have still not had the honour of seeing any band rock and roll so fuckin outright and pure as the mighty led zeppelin.

go listen to communication breakdown and be moved my brothers