lebeterman10, I usually agree with you, not hear though,
Chris is very talanted.
he has done some wierd shit unexplainable shit that has caused me to back off
he prob has a drug problem
his last album had alot of cheese on it, and the tour was lame
he never stays consistant with his associates either
ever
producers
bandmates
women
friends
he was all over every seattle bands jocks, and never even mentions them
he was tight with brendan obrien
rick rubin, steve lilywhite
the guys in audioslave
the guys in sg
he has 0 to do with any of them.
the guys in buck cherry
the guys in 11
wtf
he cant keep friends
he bailed on sg
they are like the only band that dissapeared, nothing from them
no dvd
no live stuff
i know they are not together, but still, they were good enough to keep the spirt alive
what he did with audioslave was bullshit, regardless if you like them or not
he burned that sound,
they developed a big fan base and than spoof vanish with nothing for the fans
not even a last tour for an album
he waited to bail after the hype so the album would sell
fuck that move
that was a dickhead move
i never witnessed anything like that ever
heres are album, buy it its like zeppelin meets earth wind and fire
play it on the radio
3 months later split
that purely was done to fuck the fans
i was a big fan but i cant even listen to them anymore especially the last album, and i loved it
i saw him with audioslave in november and he looked so happy, i was loving the fact that they were togther and they were playing new material
they broke up in feb
fuck him
his solo album blew
the shows blew.
2 bands completeley vanished and 1 not even listenable, the other not salvagable
bands break up, and still get played and respected not his
drugs
Well, vocal talent he's above Vedder. Thats obvious to anyone. He'd be in the same league as Plant and Mercury and very few others. Use of vocals in the song, he's in the top of that category too; along with Vedder. The way the two of them use the melody is crazy and good. My favorites of my favorite style of singer.
I laugh at the people here who are so intimidated by Cornell's popularity. Only a few of many Cornell fans would post here, just as only 1% of PJ fans that I've met post here. In fact, I've met hundreds of PJ fans none of which have ever posted or even know about this place. Why is his popularity so bothersome? It doen't take away from PJ.
thats hard to say
chris changes like a fucking chameleon
ive seen it all
his voice on the second audioslave tour was great and right there
solo album and tour he sucked
nowhere in vedders league
soundgarden every other year chris had stagefright, thats why they broke up
vedder has done thousand shows
how can you make a blind statement like chris is above ed
is chris capable of sounding better than ed
sure
does he do the things he needs to do to keep up
never
1 thing I asked brendan obrien in vegas hanging at a bar in the mgm
is why ed didnt do the fancy studio stuff chris did
His answer, was great.
Becasue Ed wants to be able to sound the same way live and sound just as adequate and tru to form
he went onto say if you listen to the songs where Ed does mix his voice up usually the band plays them completeley differant or not at all.
mainly jeremey, or do the evelution
this is a big reason chris sounds like shit live and great on record.
To compare chris to neil young is crazy
neil is as plain jane as you get, chris is almost as studio as sebastion bach
Neither guy is a million anything
they are both capable of being great
My opinion on chris and new work
he fucking chris cornell, sure he can do great stuff, this album could be a lets dance
he could outdo vedder
the problem is chris will leave before it starts
hell do a cheesey tour with differant musicians than on the album, and than hide from it and than in turn it cheapens the history.
For the supposedly greates singer in the world, and a super talent with tons of expierence, who creates art. And a great songwriter who makes his fans hang on a cross for him.
He holds himself to 0 accountability.
And gets away with it for 1 reason.
Soundgarden, who he doesnt even give the same respect that all his fans on here do.
And there were 3 guys in that band that helped create that sound, and he snuffs them. And parades his reputation off them, that is bullshit.
Becasue without that music with matt on drums, chris would still be in seattle playing with the shemps.
Neither guy is a million anything
they are both capable of being great
My opinion on chris and new work
he fucking chris cornell, sure he can do great stuff, this album could be a lets dance
he could outdo vedder
the problem is chris will leave before it starts
hell do a cheesey tour with differant musicians than on the album, and than hide from it and than in turn it cheapens the history.
For the supposedly greates singer in the world, and a super talent with tons of expierence, who creates art. And a great songwriter who makes his fans hang on a cross for him.
He holds himself to 0 accountability.
And gets away with it for 1 reason.
Soundgarden, who he doesnt even give the same respect that all his fans on here do.
And there were 3 guys in that band that helped create that sound, and he snuffs them. And parades his reputation off them, that is bullshit.
Becasue without that music with matt on drums, chris would still be in seattle playing with the shemps.
How did he parade his reputation from Soundgarden? That band was the least commercial of the big 4 and all the respect he has recieved has come purely from the quality of the material he was responsible (in latrge part) for producing.Of course he is going to get the attention because he is been the lead singer/songwriter in three multiplatinum selling bands. He has always been the common denominator.
i think Chris Cornell is a damn good rock singer, and I truly do appreciate everything he has done, and his first solo album is awesome but i believe I read it perfectly put...
he has become a douche
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lebeterman10, I usually agree with you, not hear though,
Chris is very talanted.
he has done some wierd shit unexplainable shit that has caused me to back off
he prob has a drug problem
his last album had alot of cheese on it, and the tour was lame
he never stays consistant with his associates either
ever
producers
bandmates
women
friends
he was all over every seattle bands jocks, and never even mentions them
he was tight with brendan obrien
rick rubin, steve lilywhite
the guys in audioslave
the guys in sg
he has 0 to do with any of them.
the guys in buck cherry
the guys in 11
wtf
he cant keep friends
he bailed on sg
they are like the only band that dissapeared, nothing from them
no dvd
no live stuff
i know they are not together, but still, they were good enough to keep the spirt alive
what he did with audioslave was bullshit, regardless if you like them or not
he burned that sound,
they developed a big fan base and than spoof vanish with nothing for the fans
not even a last tour for an album
he waited to bail after the hype so the album would sell
fuck that move
that was a dickhead move
i never witnessed anything like that ever
heres are album, buy it its like zeppelin meets earth wind and fire
play it on the radio
3 months later split
that purely was done to fuck the fans
i was a big fan but i cant even listen to them anymore especially the last album, and i loved it
i saw him with audioslave in november and he looked so happy, i was loving the fact that they were togther and they were playing new material
they broke up in feb
fuck him
his solo album blew
the shows blew.
2 bands completeley vanished and 1 not even listenable, the other not salvagable
bands break up, and still get played and respected not his
drugs
ive seen it all
his voice on the second audioslave tour was great and right there
solo album and tour he sucked
nowhere in vedders league
soundgarden every other year chris had stagefright, thats why they broke up
vedder has done thousand shows
how can you make a blind statement like chris is above ed
is chris capable of sounding better than ed
sure
does he do the things he needs to do to keep up
never
1 thing I asked brendan obrien in vegas hanging at a bar in the mgm
is why ed didnt do the fancy studio stuff chris did
His answer, was great.
Becasue Ed wants to be able to sound the same way live and sound just as adequate and tru to form
he went onto say if you listen to the songs where Ed does mix his voice up usually the band plays them completeley differant or not at all.
mainly jeremey, or do the evelution
this is a big reason chris sounds like shit live and great on record.
To compare chris to neil young is crazy
neil is as plain jane as you get, chris is almost as studio as sebastion bach
lebeterman10, I usually agree with you, not hear though,
Chris is very talanted.
he has done some wierd shit unexplainable shit that has caused me to back off
he prob has a drug problem
his last album had alot of cheese on it, and the tour was lame
he never stays consistant with his associates either
ever
producers
bandmates
women
friends
he was all over every seattle bands jocks, and never even mentions them
he was tight with brendan obrien
rick rubin, steve lilywhite
the guys in audioslave
the guys in sg
he has 0 to do with any of them.
the guys in buck cherry
the guys in 11
wtf
he cant keep friends
he bailed on sg
they are like the only band that dissapeared, nothing from them
no dvd
no live stuff
i know they are not together, but still, they were good enough to keep the spirt alive
what he did with audioslave was bullshit, regardless if you like them or not
he burned that sound,
they developed a big fan base and than spoof vanish with nothing for the fans
not even a last tour for an album
he waited to bail after the hype so the album would sell
fuck that move
that was a dickhead move
i never witnessed anything like that ever
heres are album, buy it its like zeppelin meets earth wind and fire
play it on the radio
3 months later split
that purely was done to fuck the fans
i was a big fan but i cant even listen to them anymore especially the last album, and i loved it
i saw him with audioslave in november and he looked so happy, i was loving the fact that they were togther and they were playing new material
they broke up in feb
fuck him
his solo album blew
the shows blew.
2 bands completeley vanished and 1 not even listenable, the other not salvagable
bands break up, and still get played and respected not his
drugs
You basically have no idea what you are talking about. You don't know who Chris "associates" with.
Audioslave broke up because Rage got back together...no matter how they tried to spin it, thats what happened.
You're talking out of your ass about the rest of it.
lebeterman10, I usually agree with you, not hear though,
Chris is very talanted.
he has done some wierd shit unexplainable shit that has caused me to back off
he prob has a drug problem
his last album had alot of cheese on it, and the tour was lame
he never stays consistant with his associates either
ever
producers
bandmates
women
friends
he was all over every seattle bands jocks, and never even mentions them
he was tight with brendan obrien
rick rubin, steve lilywhite
the guys in audioslave
the guys in sg
he has 0 to do with any of them.
the guys in buck cherry
the guys in 11
wtf
he cant keep friends
he bailed on sg
they are like the only band that dissapeared, nothing from them
no dvd
no live stuff
i know they are not together, but still, they were good enough to keep the spirt alive
what he did with audioslave was bullshit, regardless if you like them or not
he burned that sound,
they developed a big fan base and than spoof vanish with nothing for the fans
not even a last tour for an album
he waited to bail after the hype so the album would sell
fuck that move
that was a dickhead move
i never witnessed anything like that ever
heres are album, buy it its like zeppelin meets earth wind and fire
play it on the radio
3 months later split
that purely was done to fuck the fans
i was a big fan but i cant even listen to them anymore especially the last album, and i loved it
i saw him with audioslave in november and he looked so happy, i was loving the fact that they were togther and they were playing new material
they broke up in feb
fuck him
his solo album blew
the shows blew.
2 bands completeley vanished and 1 not even listenable, the other not salvagable
bands break up, and still get played and respected not his
drugs
You basically have no idea what you are talking about. You don't know who Chris "associates" with.
Audioslave broke up because Rage got back together...no matter how they tried to spin it, thats what happened.
You're talking out of your ass about the rest of it.
I spend days talking with old sg fans and chris fans and have seem them and him many times
so as far as talking out my ass, your crazy and stepping out of bounds.
And he is always in the rock news and he has burned bridges everywhere.
Obviously he whined his way out of audioslave, and their reuinon was really not much more.
So I guess his decision was acurate, considering his last tour and album.
Asfar as the rest odf the info you can pretty much read liner notes. I guess I wasnt supposed to listen to his phone calls to the radio stations, where he stated he was going to do many albums with liliwhite, and how he basicaaly had 0 interest in an sg reunion, nor how he makes the awesome solo record with the band 11, than to read in an oold spin magazine that he felt they were in inadequate.
Its the same old story and alot of what i have rambled is my opinion, so im sure people will beg to differ.
But 1 thing is the bottom line, he usually bails on everyhting.
If you have differant reasons or excuses, and you know him, thats all well and good, maybee he confides in you. You should give him some advice, of course I am not going to know what a friend of his would.
But he has failed, and people notice.
How did he parade his reputation from Soundgarden? That band was the least commercial of the big 4 and all the respect he has recieved has come purely from the quality of the material he was responsible (in latrge part) for producing.Of course he is going to get the attention because he is been the lead singer/songwriter in three multiplatinum selling bands. He has always been the common denominator.
last year he was calling radio stations the day before his ticket sales mentinog his work, and not giving credit to any of the band members
and just sitting boasting about his 20 years in rock and what he did.
His falling out with his ex wife who happened to be the manager of sg, destroyed any future keeping that bands spirit alive.
you cant tell that I was a fan who was tired of being let down time and time again, I didnt make up his band failures
they are what they are and are open to specullation.
I go back and read all the original sg fanpages which have tons of interviews, and are all still up and working I might add.
its not like im all that off.
I listen to his quotes. Ive heard alot directly from his mouth at shows.
I am sorry i have ears
ive seen him prob 12 to 13 times and formed my own opinions.
Its not like I am talking about a singer who has stayed consistant and been fair to his fans.
Honestly that is the 1 part of my rambles that are tru to the fact.
Sg had numerous problems touring, chris hated playing live, big part of the reason they broke up
His voice was shot for years, his last tour the stage presence was horrible, I called a few of my pals from here and asked them if I was wrong ,and they said no, we have videos from baltimore and philly.
read some old fan pages from sg, wasnt as good as you think.
Listen to the audioslave dvd
not his best moment.
last year he was calling radio stations the day before his ticket sales mentinog his work, and not giving credit to any of the band members
and just sitting boasting about his 20 years in rock and what he did.
His falling out with his ex wife who happened to be the manager of sg, destroyed any future keeping that bands spirit alive.
Well its fucking obvious to all but the most stupid that songs written as "Soundgarden" as opposed to "Chris Cornell" must have involved the other members of Soundgarden. Everytime he discusses songs as "Soundgarden songs" he is doing just that-giving credit to the other members.
You call it boasting, he simply mentioned that he has been around for a while.
I don't have any idea about what happened between himself and Susan Silver and neither do you. Your implying that he should have stayed with her despite whatever issues he had so that the bands spirit could survive?WTF?
An even stupider statement given SG ended before his divorce.
Like the Bowie comparisons. Bowie has is one of my favorites and has been since I can remember. When you said "teaming up with Jimmy Page", my heart skipped a beat. Thats a glorious dream I had never conjured up. Bowie has had an amazing career with all kinds of diversity, same with Neil young. They always sound like them selves but do different stuff. I'm thinking Cornell's career may be like that.
So, did any of his current band play on the album?
No, none of his current touring band played on the new CC album - Peter Thorn explained that in his recent post on cc.com. No real reason why they necessarily would when you think about it - Chris plainly left Audioslave in order to go solo and please himself what he did, not join another band. They are wonderful musicians, though, he obviously loves playing with them and they are still his touring band - they just played South Africa and have a whole series of dates booked for this year both in Europe and the US. I don't know when the new album will emerge, but personally I'd doubt if it'll be before the autumn.
I hear you on the Jimmy Page thing - have been a fan since the 70s & I was finally lucky enough to meet him in CC's dressing room after I interviewed him last year in London. But I think it's healthier to look forward and reach out rather than hark back to the past. although JP's one of the greatest musicians of all time, he's no longer a trailblazer. Robert Plant is much more forward-looking and experimental.
Does anyone else get the idea that "nowayi'mfaithfull" is the one who's "on something?" I mean, five posts in a row, and none of them make sense. But let's address one or two points, just for the sake of fair play.
For a start - if Chris hates playing live so much, why has he done over 125 shows since he began touring solo last year, including touring in territories (South America, South Africa...) that he was never able to visit with SG or AS because the other members didn't fancy the trip? With a whole load more scheduled?
Regarding drugs etc, it's common knowledge that CC spent time in rehab in 2002 (dependency on alcohol and prescription drugs, he said) and cleaned up before AS's first tour. He even gave a phone interview from the clinic, it was hardly a secret. Since then he seems to have stayed 100% clean. I've met him several times to do interviews etc and every time he's been sober as a judge and seemed as happy as Larry. He has a lovely family who support him and he's working hard and trying to evolve. Dunno about anyone else, but I think that's admirable, really, though I can well believe there are spooks from his past that might want to cast all that in an unpleasant light to suit their own agenda.
Also, my site has pretty much all of Chris's press interviews and I've heard most of the radio stuff as well. To my knowledge CC never said he was going to record "many albums" with Steve Lillywhite. I interviewed SL as well, last year - you can read that one on my site, too. He certainly wasn't assuming that would happen, though he did say he would love to work with CC again at some point because.... "contrary to what a few people have said, he was one of the nicest - and still is one of the nicest - people I've ever met. I think he's very different from how he was maybe ten, fifteen years ago, but I certainly had no problems. We got on really well…he's really, you know, one of a kind. He's a very private person, a very honourable person, and extremely charismatic. And a brilliant singer and writer. I think people, when they talk about, you know, "Chris is arrogant" or . . . you know, "he's bloody-minded" or something like that . . . it comes from him just not wanting to be around idiots."
That pretty much describes the CC I've seen and talked to, too. And I think that's probably a good place to stop.
No, none of his current touring band played on the new CC album - Peter Thorn explained that in his recent post on cc.com. No real reason why they necessarily would when you think about it - Chris plainly left Audioslave in order to go solo and please himself what he did, not join another band. They are wonderful musicians, though, he obviously loves playing with them and they are still his touring band - they just played South Africa and have a whole series of dates booked for this year both in Europe and the US. I don't know when the new album will emerge, but personally I'd doubt if it'll be before the autumn.
So presumably if he's keeping his current touring band, it will be a rock record of sorts? I kind of hoped he would record with them, because they are such an amazing group, but I understand why he hasn't. I hope we don't have to wait til the autumn!
So presumably if he's keeping his current touring band, it will be a rock record of sorts? I kind of hoped he would record with them, because they are such an amazing group, but I understand why he hasn't. I hope we don't have to wait til the autumn!
The Trent Reznor approach, he is taking.;)
You Know My Name really put me of buying Carry On, I'll have to pick it up before this next one comes out.:)
So presumably if he's keeping his current touring band, it will be a rock record of sorts? I kind of hoped he would record with them, because they are such an amazing group, but I understand why he hasn't. I hope we don't have to wait til the autumn!
I don't know whether it will be noticeably rock-influenced or not...Timbaland's worked with a lot of diverse artists from all sorts of genres so I think it could be anything, although he did say we'd be hearing "the first rock star in the club" so interpret that however you want, lol. The band guys are very competent musicians, I'd imagine they'd adapt to anything, and other musos can always be added to a touring band, so I suppose we'll see!
What drugs did he use then? Its pretty easy to tell if someones using drugs.
Yes exactly, like quiting civilian/audioslave cant forget that one. and droppoing off the ozzfest last minute, I have no idea what he used, but his behavior tends to be sporatic. Can you imagine how another singer of his stature would get treated if they did what he did/does.
Well its fucking obvious to all but the most stupid that songs written as "Soundgarden" as opposed to "Chris Cornell" must have involved the other members of Soundgarden. Everytime he discusses songs as "Soundgarden songs" he is doing just that-giving credit to the other members.
You call it boasting, he simply mentioned that he has been around for a while.
I don't have any idea about what happened between himself and Susan Silver and neither do you. Your implying that he should have stayed with her despite whatever issues he had so that the bands spirit could survive?WTF?
An even stupider statement given SG ended before his divorce.
No not at all, but get some form of new management, or take control of your bands history for the fans, so do not put words in my mouth.
Do you seriously need to keep calling me names, we are debating music, you obviously enjoy the talk, if not go post in some silly thread.
Everything I am commenting about has happened, its opinions being formed as to why.
You gotts figure after failing over and over with bands and tours peopel tend to jump off the bandwagon, I sincerely appologize if I have upset you.
Now last night I probably could have toned it down and eddited my long posts but I had a few beers in me, so I apologize again, but most of that was posted while listening to SG, and chris was one of my most admired musicians for a long time, but his scene has grown old.
Its like this I was super let down when they botched the upside tour, in philly shephard was giving fans the middle finger while him and chris disagreed, they took like a 14 min break and we thought they werent comming back on.
Totally effected the music.
Point if a crowd effects how bands play you know when they fight with themselves their energy is low.
Than I see him live in philly with the solo tour, they show up late, the performannce was better than sg chris boasted on how these musicians were the best and he planned on writing more music with them.
I took a while warming up to the change but that album is great.
So than he dissapears for a while and the news hits about civilian.
Like everyone I was skeptical but interested, it took like 3 years, they even canned the whole band for a while and I was supper pissed when they dropped off the ozzfest, I had tix,
Than the music came out and it took a while for me to like and on the lolla tour they were not good in philly, than they came back and he played for and hour and 15 mins.
I enjoyed the show though was starting too see the tightness grow.
The second album I loved what Chris did. The tour was great man he looked good, at the time best singer I had ever seen, they were playing new material, I believe a song he was calling sleight of had, I swear to god that was the title. I saw them again a month later and they changed the set up and played 2112 from Rush they were moving in the right direction.
Than I joined their fan club, who actually was employing street team memebers, which I thought was funny, and kept bragging about the new album and its funk meets zep sound, I was so pumped while the new song played on the radio.
Than I got the album loved it.
Than thee rumours hit, they are breaking up, I was like that is bs, I just saw them I fought on hear from jan thru march denying the rumours,
The way he left the band was horrible, it sucked.
Than he did the phone calls and promoted himself.
He was doing fashion adds for magazines, for quiet Chris he was boasting in these phone calls I heard 3 of them, about himself the whole time.
When asked about Sg he blew it off not mentioning any member jus tthe fact that it was his music.\
His personal excuse for the audio debacle was, it was time for hi to celebrate his 20 year career and that he never seen that as long term because the fit wasnt there.
So why might I add did they have a fanclub and use memebers for a street team, and promote themselves liken they are on the level of a zep, or a pearl jam or rush for that matter.
MONEY
Than he was bragging about his girlfriend buying some rich tennis players house for like 15 million.
He promoted that solo stuff like it was the shiznit, he sounded so pumped about it.
The tour was not as good as the last audio slave tour. The band was not tight, poor versions of old songs.
Now he is doing an album with timbaland. Fine whatever, I am still hoping this was an April fools joke but none the less, you cant call me stupid and nasty names for forming a deep hearted opinion on someone that I have followed this much.
Every statement has been in conjunction with his carreer, you give him a free pass and thats cool, I listen to sg albums every day bro, I love them. I wouldnt have minded a dvd, or some live stuff, or maybee a reunion, he scoffs at those questions like yeah right.
Peace I have enjoyed talking but cmon dont trash me.
What drugs did he use then? Its pretty easy to tell if someones using drugs.
I shouldnt have said that, I was in a mode like we were standing around aggressivley talking and that came out in kind of a angry joke like he must have been way and I am sorry, iof I offended anyone.
but their were stories flying around here about htis in 01 / 02.
You guys make like I made all his history up. As far as the lillwhite stuff he said that when he called the radiostation in philly.
You guys give him a free pass.
You look at him from the I love him side, and whats good for him is all that counts.
Thats great but he shouldnt throw himself in the mainstream eye and suck up fans, and than bail because it made him feel better. Hes done this way to much.
And if I want to post 5 times in a row I will, I didnt realize IT MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE YOU ARE ON SOMETHING.
I drank 4 beers.
I think its co cute when everyone says ohh Chris is so talented he shouldnt have been in Audioslave, or he is better solo and more low key.
He made the decisions to blow up super huge, you cant fault the millions of fans for following him, its like you look down on us and laugh like we were foolish for beliving in the band. He was the singer.
He is obviously living of all the cash and he was doing clothing adds, wherwe does that fit in line with being a structured progressive solo musician.
You stated that his solo band on the last tour was great, totally opinion, the guitar players were not that good, the guy from tom waits was, the guy from buck cherry was sub par.
The drumming was average. This band was nowhere near as good as 11 on the first album.
My hates playing live comments come from the soungarden days which any one who followed them would now this, so why discredit me.
But its fair play right, only point out the good, he was great ever did anything wrong.
And his new band is the furthest from amazing.
That is a blind statement.
I am sure they got better, but amazing to me, would be as far as tightness.
Rush
Dream Theater
the dead
jerry cantrells touring band
pearl jam
springsteens band both of them play pretty amazing
its hard to put cc band in the amzing category/
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4) Stop assuming you know Cornell because you've read a couple of interviews. You don't like him becuase of the women he hangs out with and the friends he keeps? Who the fuck cares? I'll be the first to admit that I'm not overly fond of Cornell's new ventures but that's strictly on a music basis - I couldn't give two shits if he was shagging Kim Thayil, as long as the music is good.
You dismiss any postive remarks made about Cornell as "totally opinion" and then spout out criticisms of your own, which are apprently not opinion yet fact. And that's a nice list of bands you've just put there, all of them been active for over a decade (with the likes of Springsteen and the Dead for more than 35 years). Is every band going to be compared to them? I'd say considering Cornells band have been playing for less than a year, they've doe pretty damn good.
I always get annoyed when I see people blindly follow an artist to the point of pathetic worship, but it annoys me as well when people seem to go out of their way to bring somebody down. The way you're talking, it's as if Cornell has done you some personal injury.
I think Cornell did use drugs, but again who cares? When arguments start to get away from the music then I just don't see the point. The guys a douche, oh dear, what a shame.
I don´t give a rats ass what you think and what anyone think about the timberland/cornell collaboration. I´m looking forward to the new album - I simply love the voice and I respect the fact that he (if he does) has the guts to try all new areas/sounds/songs whatever.
and I´m really really looking forward to seeing him again this summer in Denmark. Last visit was amazing nothing less.
Its not about giving a free pass to anyone, for me. The material you have to judge on is the cds and live performances you've seen/ heard. His personal decisions can't be fully known by anyone that doesn't know him personally. Alot of people ask me if my best friend is on drugs or if he has some personality defect because of his quitting a job after loving it and having different friends and associates at different times and not acting like what they expect. Well, he doesn't do drugs. He is a musician, and I remember CC once saying that musicains are commonly self-absorbed and not as concerned with what others want. See,now I'm rambling like you. The thing is, I can speak for him because I've known him as well as anyone all this time. I can't say anything for Chris Cornell's personality, and I really don't give a fuck. He may be someone I'd never want to be around, I don't fucking know or care to.
From reading your posts, you seem to like most of his work, including the not so popular Revelations. It doesn't make sense why anyone would let non-musical issue interfer with their opinon of the actual .... MUSIC. You wanted more Audioslave, I'm sure alot did. But thats over. If you don't like something because of the way it sounds thats one thing. If your opinion is shaped by a personal grudge you hold against someone you don't know personally, thats rediculous. Just enjoy what you enjoy. You seem like the type that watches celebs on E! and reads tabloids.
A couple of things: I didn't say Cornell sounds liked Neil. I didn't say he sounds like Bowie either. Certainly Neil is on the opposite end of the spectrum from Bowie when it comes to rawness vs studio. Cornell would be in the very large middle somewhere.I was saying he may have the great, long term career that includes being musically all over the place like those two have.
He does something artificial to his voice in the studio very rarely. Their really aren't too many songs with a vocal effect on them. Per haps, its for the end product of the song and thats what matters to him at the time.
AND, I've seen Cornell just twice. Once, in October with Audioslave (a month before you did that tour). He sounded great, was having fun. But, as great as that concert was, it was topped by his show last year, from the tour you call, "lame". An opinon that would differ from 99% of witnesses to that particuar tour. When I saw them, he sounded even better than Oct 05, was having even more fun. And the band kicked ass. Considering the set list, its really difficult not to place that concert at the top of my list.
Down On The Upside was the last fantastic record he was involved in
since that he has done solo stuffs (I haven't been amazed by them) and 3 Audioslave records (they were good, sounded good but sounded predictable and familiar).
I don't really know what to expect of him...however I can't stand American hip-hop and urban radio shit (I'm sorry...) this freaky cooperation might produce something groundbreaking, unique or interesting...hence his carreer could turn into a good direction again - I can sense he lost his way somehow since 1997 but that's just my opinion...he is still a fuckin genious as a singer as a musician and a songwriter but I know he could be a LOT MORE better than anything he's done since SG breakup...is he uninspired or what???
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Chris is very talanted.
he has done some wierd shit unexplainable shit that has caused me to back off
he prob has a drug problem
his last album had alot of cheese on it, and the tour was lame
he never stays consistant with his associates either
ever
producers
bandmates
women
friends
he was all over every seattle bands jocks, and never even mentions them
he was tight with brendan obrien
rick rubin, steve lilywhite
the guys in audioslave
the guys in sg
he has 0 to do with any of them.
the guys in buck cherry
the guys in 11
wtf
he cant keep friends
he bailed on sg
they are like the only band that dissapeared, nothing from them
no dvd
no live stuff
i know they are not together, but still, they were good enough to keep the spirt alive
what he did with audioslave was bullshit, regardless if you like them or not
he burned that sound,
they developed a big fan base and than spoof vanish with nothing for the fans
not even a last tour for an album
he waited to bail after the hype so the album would sell
fuck that move
that was a dickhead move
i never witnessed anything like that ever
heres are album, buy it its like zeppelin meets earth wind and fire
play it on the radio
3 months later split
that purely was done to fuck the fans
i was a big fan but i cant even listen to them anymore especially the last album, and i loved it
i saw him with audioslave in november and he looked so happy, i was loving the fact that they were togther and they were playing new material
they broke up in feb
fuck him
his solo album blew
the shows blew.
2 bands completeley vanished and 1 not even listenable, the other not salvagable
bands break up, and still get played and respected not his
drugs
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thats hard to say
chris changes like a fucking chameleon
ive seen it all
his voice on the second audioslave tour was great and right there
solo album and tour he sucked
nowhere in vedders league
soundgarden every other year chris had stagefright, thats why they broke up
vedder has done thousand shows
how can you make a blind statement like chris is above ed
is chris capable of sounding better than ed
sure
does he do the things he needs to do to keep up
never
1 thing I asked brendan obrien in vegas hanging at a bar in the mgm
is why ed didnt do the fancy studio stuff chris did
His answer, was great.
Becasue Ed wants to be able to sound the same way live and sound just as adequate and tru to form
he went onto say if you listen to the songs where Ed does mix his voice up usually the band plays them completeley differant or not at all.
mainly jeremey, or do the evelution
this is a big reason chris sounds like shit live and great on record.
To compare chris to neil young is crazy
neil is as plain jane as you get, chris is almost as studio as sebastion bach
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chris is great at times
but this is offbase
no such thing chris voice gives me a headache, it sounds like a bad demo
parachutes sounds pretty good to me with vedder.
live chris could be talk in key
its hard to judge studio albums\
now sure temple of the dog he blows ed away, but he played say hello to heaven on the last tour and he sounded like someone from the audience
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they are both capable of being great
My opinion on chris and new work
he fucking chris cornell, sure he can do great stuff, this album could be a lets dance
he could outdo vedder
the problem is chris will leave before it starts
hell do a cheesey tour with differant musicians than on the album, and than hide from it and than in turn it cheapens the history.
For the supposedly greates singer in the world, and a super talent with tons of expierence, who creates art. And a great songwriter who makes his fans hang on a cross for him.
He holds himself to 0 accountability.
And gets away with it for 1 reason.
Soundgarden, who he doesnt even give the same respect that all his fans on here do.
And there were 3 guys in that band that helped create that sound, and he snuffs them. And parades his reputation off them, that is bullshit.
Becasue without that music with matt on drums, chris would still be in seattle playing with the shemps.
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How did he parade his reputation from Soundgarden? That band was the least commercial of the big 4 and all the respect he has recieved has come purely from the quality of the material he was responsible (in latrge part) for producing.Of course he is going to get the attention because he is been the lead singer/songwriter in three multiplatinum selling bands. He has always been the common denominator.
he has become a douche
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Like you know him personally? I call bullshit.
Chris sounds great live.
You basically have no idea what you are talking about. You don't know who Chris "associates" with.
Audioslave broke up because Rage got back together...no matter how they tried to spin it, thats what happened.
You're talking out of your ass about the rest of it.
that was strictly opinion.
He needs some excuse eventually it will catch up to him.If it hasnt allready.
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I spend days talking with old sg fans and chris fans and have seem them and him many times
so as far as talking out my ass, your crazy and stepping out of bounds.
And he is always in the rock news and he has burned bridges everywhere.
Obviously he whined his way out of audioslave, and their reuinon was really not much more.
So I guess his decision was acurate, considering his last tour and album.
Asfar as the rest odf the info you can pretty much read liner notes. I guess I wasnt supposed to listen to his phone calls to the radio stations, where he stated he was going to do many albums with liliwhite, and how he basicaaly had 0 interest in an sg reunion, nor how he makes the awesome solo record with the band 11, than to read in an oold spin magazine that he felt they were in inadequate.
Its the same old story and alot of what i have rambled is my opinion, so im sure people will beg to differ.
But 1 thing is the bottom line, he usually bails on everyhting.
If you have differant reasons or excuses, and you know him, thats all well and good, maybee he confides in you. You should give him some advice, of course I am not going to know what a friend of his would.
But he has failed, and people notice.
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last year he was calling radio stations the day before his ticket sales mentinog his work, and not giving credit to any of the band members
and just sitting boasting about his 20 years in rock and what he did.
His falling out with his ex wife who happened to be the manager of sg, destroyed any future keeping that bands spirit alive.
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you cant tell that I was a fan who was tired of being let down time and time again, I didnt make up his band failures
they are what they are and are open to specullation.
I go back and read all the original sg fanpages which have tons of interviews, and are all still up and working I might add.
its not like im all that off.
I listen to his quotes. Ive heard alot directly from his mouth at shows.
I am sorry i have ears
ive seen him prob 12 to 13 times and formed my own opinions.
Its not like I am talking about a singer who has stayed consistant and been fair to his fans.
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Honestly that is the 1 part of my rambles that are tru to the fact.
Sg had numerous problems touring, chris hated playing live, big part of the reason they broke up
His voice was shot for years, his last tour the stage presence was horrible, I called a few of my pals from here and asked them if I was wrong ,and they said no, we have videos from baltimore and philly.
read some old fan pages from sg, wasnt as good as you think.
Listen to the audioslave dvd
not his best moment.
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Well its fucking obvious to all but the most stupid that songs written as "Soundgarden" as opposed to "Chris Cornell" must have involved the other members of Soundgarden. Everytime he discusses songs as "Soundgarden songs" he is doing just that-giving credit to the other members.
You call it boasting, he simply mentioned that he has been around for a while.
I don't have any idea about what happened between himself and Susan Silver and neither do you. Your implying that he should have stayed with her despite whatever issues he had so that the bands spirit could survive?WTF?
An even stupider statement given SG ended before his divorce.
No, none of his current touring band played on the new CC album - Peter Thorn explained that in his recent post on cc.com. No real reason why they necessarily would when you think about it - Chris plainly left Audioslave in order to go solo and please himself what he did, not join another band. They are wonderful musicians, though, he obviously loves playing with them and they are still his touring band - they just played South Africa and have a whole series of dates booked for this year both in Europe and the US. I don't know when the new album will emerge, but personally I'd doubt if it'll be before the autumn.
I hear you on the Jimmy Page thing - have been a fan since the 70s & I was finally lucky enough to meet him in CC's dressing room after I interviewed him last year in London. But I think it's healthier to look forward and reach out rather than hark back to the past. although JP's one of the greatest musicians of all time, he's no longer a trailblazer. Robert Plant is much more forward-looking and experimental.
Does anyone else get the idea that "nowayi'mfaithfull" is the one who's "on something?" I mean, five posts in a row, and none of them make sense. But let's address one or two points, just for the sake of fair play.
For a start - if Chris hates playing live so much, why has he done over 125 shows since he began touring solo last year, including touring in territories (South America, South Africa...) that he was never able to visit with SG or AS because the other members didn't fancy the trip? With a whole load more scheduled?
Regarding drugs etc, it's common knowledge that CC spent time in rehab in 2002 (dependency on alcohol and prescription drugs, he said) and cleaned up before AS's first tour. He even gave a phone interview from the clinic, it was hardly a secret. Since then he seems to have stayed 100% clean. I've met him several times to do interviews etc and every time he's been sober as a judge and seemed as happy as Larry. He has a lovely family who support him and he's working hard and trying to evolve. Dunno about anyone else, but I think that's admirable, really, though I can well believe there are spooks from his past that might want to cast all that in an unpleasant light to suit their own agenda.
Also, my site has pretty much all of Chris's press interviews and I've heard most of the radio stuff as well. To my knowledge CC never said he was going to record "many albums" with Steve Lillywhite. I interviewed SL as well, last year - you can read that one on my site, too. He certainly wasn't assuming that would happen, though he did say he would love to work with CC again at some point because.... "contrary to what a few people have said, he was one of the nicest - and still is one of the nicest - people I've ever met. I think he's very different from how he was maybe ten, fifteen years ago, but I certainly had no problems. We got on really well…he's really, you know, one of a kind. He's a very private person, a very honourable person, and extremely charismatic. And a brilliant singer and writer. I think people, when they talk about, you know, "Chris is arrogant" or . . . you know, "he's bloody-minded" or something like that . . . it comes from him just not wanting to be around idiots."
That pretty much describes the CC I've seen and talked to, too. And I think that's probably a good place to stop.
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So presumably if he's keeping his current touring band, it will be a rock record of sorts? I kind of hoped he would record with them, because they are such an amazing group, but I understand why he hasn't. I hope we don't have to wait til the autumn!
The Trent Reznor approach, he is taking.;)
You Know My Name really put me of buying Carry On, I'll have to pick it up before this next one comes out.:)
I don't know whether it will be noticeably rock-influenced or not...Timbaland's worked with a lot of diverse artists from all sorts of genres so I think it could be anything, although he did say we'd be hearing "the first rock star in the club" so interpret that however you want, lol. The band guys are very competent musicians, I'd imagine they'd adapt to anything, and other musos can always be added to a touring band, so I suppose we'll see!
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Yes exactly, like quiting civilian/audioslave cant forget that one. and droppoing off the ozzfest last minute, I have no idea what he used, but his behavior tends to be sporatic. Can you imagine how another singer of his stature would get treated if they did what he did/does.
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No not at all, but get some form of new management, or take control of your bands history for the fans, so do not put words in my mouth.
Do you seriously need to keep calling me names, we are debating music, you obviously enjoy the talk, if not go post in some silly thread.
Everything I am commenting about has happened, its opinions being formed as to why.
You gotts figure after failing over and over with bands and tours peopel tend to jump off the bandwagon, I sincerely appologize if I have upset you.
Now last night I probably could have toned it down and eddited my long posts but I had a few beers in me, so I apologize again, but most of that was posted while listening to SG, and chris was one of my most admired musicians for a long time, but his scene has grown old.
Its like this I was super let down when they botched the upside tour, in philly shephard was giving fans the middle finger while him and chris disagreed, they took like a 14 min break and we thought they werent comming back on.
Totally effected the music.
Point if a crowd effects how bands play you know when they fight with themselves their energy is low.
Than I see him live in philly with the solo tour, they show up late, the performannce was better than sg chris boasted on how these musicians were the best and he planned on writing more music with them.
I took a while warming up to the change but that album is great.
So than he dissapears for a while and the news hits about civilian.
Like everyone I was skeptical but interested, it took like 3 years, they even canned the whole band for a while and I was supper pissed when they dropped off the ozzfest, I had tix,
Than the music came out and it took a while for me to like and on the lolla tour they were not good in philly, than they came back and he played for and hour and 15 mins.
I enjoyed the show though was starting too see the tightness grow.
The second album I loved what Chris did. The tour was great man he looked good, at the time best singer I had ever seen, they were playing new material, I believe a song he was calling sleight of had, I swear to god that was the title. I saw them again a month later and they changed the set up and played 2112 from Rush they were moving in the right direction.
Than I joined their fan club, who actually was employing street team memebers, which I thought was funny, and kept bragging about the new album and its funk meets zep sound, I was so pumped while the new song played on the radio.
Than I got the album loved it.
Than thee rumours hit, they are breaking up, I was like that is bs, I just saw them I fought on hear from jan thru march denying the rumours,
The way he left the band was horrible, it sucked.
Than he did the phone calls and promoted himself.
He was doing fashion adds for magazines, for quiet Chris he was boasting in these phone calls I heard 3 of them, about himself the whole time.
When asked about Sg he blew it off not mentioning any member jus tthe fact that it was his music.\
His personal excuse for the audio debacle was, it was time for hi to celebrate his 20 year career and that he never seen that as long term because the fit wasnt there.
So why might I add did they have a fanclub and use memebers for a street team, and promote themselves liken they are on the level of a zep, or a pearl jam or rush for that matter.
MONEY
Than he was bragging about his girlfriend buying some rich tennis players house for like 15 million.
He promoted that solo stuff like it was the shiznit, he sounded so pumped about it.
The tour was not as good as the last audio slave tour. The band was not tight, poor versions of old songs.
Now he is doing an album with timbaland. Fine whatever, I am still hoping this was an April fools joke but none the less, you cant call me stupid and nasty names for forming a deep hearted opinion on someone that I have followed this much.
Every statement has been in conjunction with his carreer, you give him a free pass and thats cool, I listen to sg albums every day bro, I love them. I wouldnt have minded a dvd, or some live stuff, or maybee a reunion, he scoffs at those questions like yeah right.
Peace I have enjoyed talking but cmon dont trash me.
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but their were stories flying around here about htis in 01 / 02.
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You guys give him a free pass.
You look at him from the I love him side, and whats good for him is all that counts.
Thats great but he shouldnt throw himself in the mainstream eye and suck up fans, and than bail because it made him feel better. Hes done this way to much.
And if I want to post 5 times in a row I will, I didnt realize IT MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE YOU ARE ON SOMETHING.
I drank 4 beers.
I think its co cute when everyone says ohh Chris is so talented he shouldnt have been in Audioslave, or he is better solo and more low key.
He made the decisions to blow up super huge, you cant fault the millions of fans for following him, its like you look down on us and laugh like we were foolish for beliving in the band. He was the singer.
He is obviously living of all the cash and he was doing clothing adds, wherwe does that fit in line with being a structured progressive solo musician.
You stated that his solo band on the last tour was great, totally opinion, the guitar players were not that good, the guy from tom waits was, the guy from buck cherry was sub par.
The drumming was average. This band was nowhere near as good as 11 on the first album.
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But its fair play right, only point out the good, he was great ever did anything wrong.
And his new band is the furthest from amazing.
That is a blind statement.
I am sure they got better, but amazing to me, would be as far as tightness.
Rush
Dream Theater
the dead
jerry cantrells touring band
pearl jam
springsteens band both of them play pretty amazing
its hard to put cc band in the amzing category/
The chris cornell fan club is what is amazing.
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4) Stop assuming you know Cornell because you've read a couple of interviews. You don't like him becuase of the women he hangs out with and the friends he keeps? Who the fuck cares? I'll be the first to admit that I'm not overly fond of Cornell's new ventures but that's strictly on a music basis - I couldn't give two shits if he was shagging Kim Thayil, as long as the music is good.
You dismiss any postive remarks made about Cornell as "totally opinion" and then spout out criticisms of your own, which are apprently not opinion yet fact. And that's a nice list of bands you've just put there, all of them been active for over a decade (with the likes of Springsteen and the Dead for more than 35 years). Is every band going to be compared to them? I'd say considering Cornells band have been playing for less than a year, they've doe pretty damn good.
I always get annoyed when I see people blindly follow an artist to the point of pathetic worship, but it annoys me as well when people seem to go out of their way to bring somebody down. The way you're talking, it's as if Cornell has done you some personal injury.
I think Cornell did use drugs, but again who cares? When arguments start to get away from the music then I just don't see the point. The guys a douche, oh dear, what a shame.
I don´t give a rats ass what you think and what anyone think about the timberland/cornell collaboration. I´m looking forward to the new album - I simply love the voice and I respect the fact that he (if he does) has the guts to try all new areas/sounds/songs whatever.
and I´m really really looking forward to seeing him again this summer in Denmark. Last visit was amazing nothing less.
Its not about giving a free pass to anyone, for me. The material you have to judge on is the cds and live performances you've seen/ heard. His personal decisions can't be fully known by anyone that doesn't know him personally. Alot of people ask me if my best friend is on drugs or if he has some personality defect because of his quitting a job after loving it and having different friends and associates at different times and not acting like what they expect. Well, he doesn't do drugs. He is a musician, and I remember CC once saying that musicains are commonly self-absorbed and not as concerned with what others want. See,now I'm rambling like you. The thing is, I can speak for him because I've known him as well as anyone all this time. I can't say anything for Chris Cornell's personality, and I really don't give a fuck. He may be someone I'd never want to be around, I don't fucking know or care to.
From reading your posts, you seem to like most of his work, including the not so popular Revelations. It doesn't make sense why anyone would let non-musical issue interfer with their opinon of the actual .... MUSIC. You wanted more Audioslave, I'm sure alot did. But thats over. If you don't like something because of the way it sounds thats one thing. If your opinion is shaped by a personal grudge you hold against someone you don't know personally, thats rediculous. Just enjoy what you enjoy. You seem like the type that watches celebs on E! and reads tabloids.
A couple of things: I didn't say Cornell sounds liked Neil. I didn't say he sounds like Bowie either. Certainly Neil is on the opposite end of the spectrum from Bowie when it comes to rawness vs studio. Cornell would be in the very large middle somewhere.I was saying he may have the great, long term career that includes being musically all over the place like those two have.
He does something artificial to his voice in the studio very rarely. Their really aren't too many songs with a vocal effect on them. Per haps, its for the end product of the song and thats what matters to him at the time.
AND, I've seen Cornell just twice. Once, in October with Audioslave (a month before you did that tour). He sounded great, was having fun. But, as great as that concert was, it was topped by his show last year, from the tour you call, "lame". An opinon that would differ from 99% of witnesses to that particuar tour. When I saw them, he sounded even better than Oct 05, was having even more fun. And the band kicked ass. Considering the set list, its really difficult not to place that concert at the top of my list.
since that he has done solo stuffs (I haven't been amazed by them) and 3 Audioslave records (they were good, sounded good but sounded predictable and familiar).
I don't really know what to expect of him...however I can't stand American hip-hop and urban radio shit (I'm sorry...) this freaky cooperation might produce something groundbreaking, unique or interesting...hence his carreer could turn into a good direction again - I can sense he lost his way somehow since 1997 but that's just my opinion...he is still a fuckin genious as a singer as a musician and a songwriter but I know he could be a LOT MORE better than anything he's done since SG breakup...is he uninspired or what???
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