Eddie doesnt have anywhere NEAR the voice he once had. If anything Ed sounds worse. James voice sounds fantastic considering
A)They are an older band than Pearl Jam They are a metal band, which should technically have more tear on his voice.
Not trying to stick up for Metallica, PJ is waaay better. But to say his voice is sounds sad and listen to PJ is kind of retarded.
Metallica's vocals have never exactly been as strenuous as, say, your average brutal death metal band.
How much of a strain can saying "YEAAAAAAAAAH" in an increasingly annoying fashion put on your voice? Christ, even Metallica's most frenetic thrash workouts have fairly pedestrian vocal performances. At least Ed has been singing his way to a damaged voice.
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not a huge fan of the first, slower part. Reminds me too much of The Unforgiven (one of my least favourite Metallica songs). However, the heavier part... wow. That is fucking metal
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Metallica's vocals have never exactly been as strenuous as, say, your average brutal death metal band.
How much of a strain can saying "YEAAAAAAAAAH" in an increasingly annoying fashion put on your voice? Christ, even Metallica's most frenetic thrash workouts have fairly pedestrian vocal performances. At least Ed has been singing his way to a damaged voice.
It's true. I'm fairly indifferent about Metallica all around so I don't really care one way or another about the new stuff but I've certainly never heard a challenging Hetfield vocal performance.
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It's true. I'm fairly indifferent about Metallica all around so I don't really care one way or another about the new stuff but I've certainly never heard a challenging Hetfield vocal performance.
Kill 'Em All has some pretty harsh vocals on it.
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I can't wait to hear this but not till I get home to listen to it through my stereo system. Then blast it!
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It's true. I'm fairly indifferent about Metallica all around so I don't really care one way or another about the new stuff but I've certainly never heard a challenging Hetfield vocal performance.
Al this running down Metallica is BS. OK, they haven't put out their best stuff for some years but not many bands manage to release anything like the quality they did on the first 4 or 5 records.
Anyone in any doubt....yayaya, put the Black album away and grab a copy of Ride the Lightning or Master of Puppets, the respect is still due :cool:
As for 'challenging vocal performance'...what, when was it decided there was a competition going on? Surely it's just about doing what comes natural to someone. It's about personal taste, and didn't someone once say music was about art and it shouldn't be put into competition, because you can't judge art.....hmmmm, who was that now?
And, as for being annoying, much as I love Ed I'm sure a lot of people find his "yeeeeehooohoooos" and "haahaahaas" equally as irritating as James' "Yeeeeaaaahhhhs" :rolleyes::p
I'll give the new one a chance when it comes out.
I've heard this song about 10 times on the new XM Metallica station in the past three days. I have given it plenty of chance and will continue to for a while longer. But...
...every time I hear it I hate it more. All I hear is new Metallica trying too hard to be old Metallica. They are trying so hard that they rip themselves off. It sounds like a Justice B-Side that wasn't good enough to be a B-Side. The solo is uninspired and borrows from several other Metallica solos. The lyrics are very non-Metallica as well.
Never thought I'd say this, but I'll take Load over what I've heard of Death Magnetic. At least Load was a change in an interesting direction, though extremely different from their past. Now they're trying to make ...And Justice for All 2.
Metallica is definitely in a no-win situation. They try something different, everyone writes them off for doing so. They go back to their roots, which everyone was begging them to do, and people call their sound old and dated. I find this reaction fascinating.
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Never thought I'd say this, but I'll take Load over what I've heard of Death Magnetic. At least Load was a change in an interesting direction, though extremely different from their past. Now they're trying to make ...And Justice for All 2.
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...every time I hear it I hate it more. All I hear is new Metallica trying too hard to be old Metallica. They are trying so hard that they rip themselves off. It sounds like a Justice B-Side that wasn't good enough to be a B-Side. The solo is uninspired and borrows from several other Metallica solos. The lyrics are very non-Metallica as well.
Never thought I'd say this, but I'll take Load over what I've heard of Death Magnetic. At least Load was a change in an interesting direction, though extremely different from their past. Now they're trying to make ...And Justice for All 2.
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im with you on this one. i caught myself thinkingcouple of times while listening to this song - havent i heard this before? they just try too hard to be something they used be to but but, are not anymore. i think they should have called it quits long time ago.
many people defend it just by saying its better than st. anger, if this is the only merrit of quality than i dont want to know what kind of music they listen to. christina aguilera???
Al this running down Metallica is BS. OK, they haven't put out their best stuff for some years but not many bands manage to release anything like the quality they did on the first 4 or 5 records.
Anyone in any doubt....yayaya, put the Black album away and grab a copy of Ride the Lightning or Master of Puppets, the respect is still due :cool:
As for 'challenging vocal performance'...what, when was it decided there was a competition going on? Surely it's just about doing what comes natural to someone. It's about personal taste, and didn't someone once say music was about art and it shouldn't be put into competition, because you can't judge art.....hmmmm, who was that now?
And, as for being annoying, much as I love Ed I'm sure a lot of people find his "yeeeeehooohoooos" and "haahaahaas" equally as irritating as James' "Yeeeeaaaahhhhs" :rolleyes::p
I'll give the new one a chance when it comes out.
Oh, we're not discussing challenging vocal performances as indicators of quality music, just that someone was defending Hetfield's voice by saying he's been a metal vocalist for 25 years and I was noting that Metallica have never been a band with particularly harsh vocals
God, I love a lot of music with absolutely horrendous vocals, if you're approaching them from a purely technical point of view. Hetfield is far from terrible.
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They aren't really in a no-win situation--unless you're talking in terms of popularity. They could've made a great original album. They are giving their fans too much input into their writing, which is terrible in my opinion. Of course the 80s fanboys cry for more thrash material. That's the Metallica I know and love best, but at least they were trying to mature and evolve their sound in the past 20 years. More than half of it is great. Metallica is living in the past now, making a shitty, nostalgiac (from what I've heard) album that will be praised for a bit then criticized.
They should've used this album to create fresh material in a new direction since this was Trujillo's first time recording with them.
They aren't really in a no-win situation--unless you're talking in terms of popularity. They could've made a great original album. They are giving their fans too much input into their writing, which is terrible in my opinion. Of course the 80s fanboys cry for more thrash material. That's the Metallica I know and love best, but at least they were trying to mature and evolve their sound in the past 20 years. More than half of it is great. Metallica is living in the past now, making a shitty, nostalgiac (from what I've heard) album that will be praised for a bit then criticized.
They should've used this album to create fresh material in a new direction since this was Trujillo's first time recording with them.
To be fair, their main point about Trujillo's playing has always been that he reminds them of Cliff. So in a way, it's natural for them to try to write something like the early albums.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
To be fair, their main point about Trujillo's playing has always been that he reminds them of Cliff. So in a way, it's natural for them to try to write something like the early albums.
He reminds them of Cliff. Just like this album reminds me of old Metallica. I don't think it's good though. Cliff was a rare and special breed of bass players.
He reminds them of Cliff. Just like this album reminds me of old Metallica. I don't think it's good though. Cliff was a rare and special breed of bass players.
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heard the single last night at a family get together. i wasn't really paying attention to it at first but when i figured out what it was i was amazed at how bad it was. Metallica hasn't made a good record since Load (i will stand by that record always) and based on this single, they haven't made a good one here. retire please.
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They should've used this album to create fresh material in a new direction since this was Trujillo's first time recording with them.
Only problem with that is that Trujillo probably wasn't given ANY artistic room for his creative skills much like how Jason wasn't given much either. It's all James and Lars but I'll give this a listen on my stereo tonight when I get home.
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I fucking love this song. I wasn't as impressed with Cyanide. In fact, the lyrics are pure shit... and the music is decent but not anything special. Which made me all the more surprised when I heard TDTNC. I was listening to it at work and I could not contain myself. This is the Metallica I loved as a kid.
Only problem with that is that Trujillo probably wasn't given ANT artistic room for his creative skills much like how Jason wasn't given much either. It's all James and Lars but I'll give this a listen on my stereo tonight when I get home.
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how many songs did Jason cowrite for Metallica? three, four tops.
Blackened (pretty sure of this one)
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i think that's it...maybe something else on the Load/ReLoad records. for being in the band that long he shoulda had more songs on albums IMO.
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how many songs did Jason cowrite for Metallica? three, four tops.
Blackened (pretty sure of this one)
one of the last two at the end of the Black Album
Where The Wild Things Are
i think that's it...maybe something else on the Load/ReLoad records. for being in the band that long he shoulda had more songs on albums IMO.
RIGHT and he wanted to give more but many of his writings were shut down and another reason why he got the hell away from this band.
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They aren't really in a no-win situation--unless you're talking in terms of popularity. They could've made a great original album. They are giving their fans too much input into their writing, which is terrible in my opinion. Of course the 80s fanboys cry for more thrash material. That's the Metallica I know and love best, but at least they were trying to mature and evolve their sound in the past 20 years. More than half of it is great. Metallica is living in the past now, making a shitty, nostalgiac (from what I've heard) album that will be praised for a bit then criticized.
They should've used this album to create fresh material in a new direction since this was Trujillo's first time recording with them.
I totally agree with this post. Very well put.
Am I the only one who thought (aside from the production) that St. Anger was actually okay (if you shaved two minutes off every song)?
Am I the only one who thought (aside from the production) that St. Anger was actually okay (if you shaved two minutes off every song)?
There were some decent songs on St. Anger. I agree the songs were too long and St. Anger needed a different verse in there. On a whole i thought it sounded like a bunch of well produced demos. I can't wait for Death Magnetic and hopefully i'll get tickets for the O2 next month.
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Eddie doesnt have anywhere NEAR the voice he once had. If anything Ed sounds worse. James voice sounds fantastic considering
A)They are an older band than Pearl Jam
Not trying to stick up for Metallica, PJ is waaay better. But to say his voice is sounds sad and listen to PJ is kind of retarded.
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How much of a strain can saying "YEAAAAAAAAAH" in an increasingly annoying fashion put on your voice? Christ, even Metallica's most frenetic thrash workouts have fairly pedestrian vocal performances. At least Ed has been singing his way to a damaged voice.
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It's true. I'm fairly indifferent about Metallica all around so I don't really care one way or another about the new stuff but I've certainly never heard a challenging Hetfield vocal performance.
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Kill 'Em All has some pretty harsh vocals on it.
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Mimic it.... it hurts.
Anyone in any doubt....yayaya, put the Black album away and grab a copy of Ride the Lightning or Master of Puppets, the respect is still due :cool:
As for 'challenging vocal performance'...what, when was it decided there was a competition going on? Surely it's just about doing what comes natural to someone. It's about personal taste, and didn't someone once say music was about art and it shouldn't be put into competition, because you can't judge art.....hmmmm, who was that now?
And, as for being annoying, much as I love Ed I'm sure a lot of people find his "yeeeeehooohoooos" and "haahaahaas" equally as irritating as James' "Yeeeeaaaahhhhs" :rolleyes::p
I'll give the new one a chance when it comes out.
...every time I hear it I hate it more. All I hear is new Metallica trying too hard to be old Metallica. They are trying so hard that they rip themselves off. It sounds like a Justice B-Side that wasn't good enough to be a B-Side. The solo is uninspired and borrows from several other Metallica solos. The lyrics are very non-Metallica as well.
Never thought I'd say this, but I'll take Load over what I've heard of Death Magnetic. At least Load was a change in an interesting direction, though extremely different from their past. Now they're trying to make ...And Justice for All 2.
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See the thing is their roots are metal. This isn't metal. This is generic, derivative hard rock.
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im with you on this one. i caught myself thinkingcouple of times while listening to this song - havent i heard this before? they just try too hard to be something they used be to but but, are not anymore. i think they should have called it quits long time ago.
many people defend it just by saying its better than st. anger, if this is the only merrit of quality than i dont want to know what kind of music they listen to. christina aguilera???
Its played before "Ecstasy of Gold" and sounds like Ac/Dc.
They definitely played it at Bonnaroo.
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God, I love a lot of music with absolutely horrendous vocals, if you're approaching them from a purely technical point of view. Hetfield is far from terrible.
They should've used this album to create fresh material in a new direction since this was Trujillo's first time recording with them.
good point, forgot he didnt record on st anger, but toured with them.
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Only problem with that is that Trujillo probably wasn't given ANY artistic room for his creative skills much like how Jason wasn't given much either. It's all James and Lars but I'll give this a listen on my stereo tonight when I get home.
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Blackened (pretty sure of this one)
one of the last two at the end of the Black Album
Where The Wild Things Are
i think that's it...maybe something else on the Load/ReLoad records. for being in the band that long he shoulda had more songs on albums IMO.
RIGHT and he wanted to give more but many of his writings were shut down and another reason why he got the hell away from this band.
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Am I the only one who thought (aside from the production) that St. Anger was actually okay (if you shaved two minutes off every song)?
There were some decent songs on St. Anger. I agree the songs were too long and St. Anger needed a different verse in there. On a whole i thought it sounded like a bunch of well produced demos. I can't wait for Death Magnetic and hopefully i'll get tickets for the O2 next month.
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