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Are Metallica done?

Cropduster84Cropduster84 Posts: 1,283
edited April 2008 in Other Music
Just noticing some of the arguments in the RHCP thread and thought alot of them could easily apply to Metallica....

The Black album was released in 1991, they havent done much of any worth since....

To think Pearl Jam have had their whole career in that time too.....
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  • surfanddestroysurfanddestroy Posts: 2,786
    Cropduster84 wrote:
    Just noticing some of the arguments in the RHCP thread and thought alot of them could easily apply to Metallica....

    The Black album was released in 1991, they havent done much of any worth since....

    To think Pearl Jam have had their whole career in that time too.....

    They have been done for a long time now.
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  • intodeepintodeep Posts: 7,240
    They are working with Rick Ruben on the album coming out this year and it is supposed to be the come back album.

    I do find it annoying when bands take 5 years to put out a band. hopefully pj will come out with a new one sooner then it took for "pearl jam" to come out.
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  • Cropduster84Cropduster84 Posts: 1,283
    intodeep wrote:
    hopefully pj will come out with a new one sooner then it took for "pearl jam" to come out.


    I second that....
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  • Sian-of-the-deadSian-of-the-dead Posts: 8,963
    surfanddestroy wrote:
    They have been done for a long time now.

    I agree, anything after 'Load' is shite and that was tenuous....
    Been to this many PJ shows: Reading 2006 London 2007 Manchester & London 2009 Dublin, Belfast, London, Nijmegen & Berlin 2010 Manchester 1 & Manchester 2 2012...

    ... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,941
    Cropduster84 wrote:

    The Black album was released in 1991, they havent done much of any worth since....


    And if they bother to talk about PJ on Metallica's message board, they probably say that they haven't done anything since Vitalogy
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  • FlaggFlagg Posts: 5,856
    No they are not done. I expect a big comeback with their new album now that they got St. Anger out of their system. I think they realize that record sucked.

    Am I the only one that prefers Load and ReLoad over the Black album? I don't really like the Black album at all.
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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    Dont you mean 'Lica? cuz the Metal left a long time ago.
  • Super VedderSuper Vedder Posts: 1,531
    MrSmith wrote:
    Dont you mean 'Lica? cuz the Metal left a long time ago.

    genius, well done sir! :D
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  • Brain Of EBrain Of E Posts: 499
    I'm giving thme one last chance to put out a semi-listenable record. If Rick can't save them, they should give it up and do solo albums or start other bands with other people.
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  • Sian-of-the-deadSian-of-the-dead Posts: 8,963
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    And if they bother to talk about PJ on Metallica's message board, they probably say that they haven't done anything since Vitalogy

    I doubt that.

    Besides, we all know PJ have never written anything better than the lyrical genius that is "Frantic tick tock..." :rolleyes:

    I rest my case.
    Been to this many PJ shows: Reading 2006 London 2007 Manchester & London 2009 Dublin, Belfast, London, Nijmegen & Berlin 2010 Manchester 1 & Manchester 2 2012...

    ... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
  • Jack_C_GregoryJack_C_Gregory Posts: 540
    intodeep wrote:
    They are working with Rick Ruben on the album coming out this year and it is supposed to be the come back album.


    St. Anger was also suppose to be the "comeback" album. I remember they were promoting it, saying they went back to some of the traits they had on albums like ...And Justice for All. True, some of the songs were in the 7 minute range, but not one song had a solo with Kirk. How are you going to have an entire Metallica album without Kirk shredding on at least one song? After listening to St. Anger and watching the documentary Some Kind of Monster, my image of them have been tainted forever. '80s Metallica = amazing. '90s and so on Metallica = garbage. If you want some real metal, listen to Slayer.
  • muppetmuppet Posts: 980
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    And if they bother to talk about PJ on Metallica's message board, they probably say that they haven't done anything since Vitalogy

    Yeah that's probably true. People dismiss Metallicas later work just as people dismiss Pearl Jams later work. Bit unfair really.
  • Gremmie95Gremmie95 Posts: 749
    muppet wrote:
    Yeah that's probably true. People dismiss Metallicas later work just as people dismiss Pearl Jams later work. Bit unfair really.

    They dismiss their later work because everything after ....and justic for all was CRAP! How do you go from albums like: Kill 'em all, Ride the lightning, Master of Puppets, and justice for all to- Black album (decent), load (everything minus hero of the day sucked) re-load (crap) St. Anger (big steaming pile of crap.
  • ii44ii44 Posts: 430
    Sian-of-the-dead wrote:
    I doubt that.

    Besides, we all know PJ have never written anything better than the lyrical genius that is "Frantic tick tock..." :rolleyes:

    I rest my case.

    Metalica's lyrics have always sucked, this is not confined to St. Anger.
  • ii44ii44 Posts: 430
    Gremmie95 wrote:
    They dismiss their later work because everything after ....and justic for all was CRAP! How do you go from albums like: Kill 'em all, Ride the lightning, Master of Puppets, and justice for all to- Black album (decent), load (everything minus hero of the day sucked) re-load (crap) St. Anger (big steaming pile of crap.

    Justice kinda sucks though, yeah there are a couple of good songs, but it's just a rehash of everything the did on the previous two records.
  • upina2001upina2001 Indiana Posts: 764
    has anyone happened to catch the Metallica Documentary on VH1-Classic?
    Cameras are allowed into therapy, to see how Lars and Kurt interact without James cause he is away at rehab, while trying to write an album, and when James returns he has a set schedule of 4 hours rehearsal time a day. Period....no exceptions.
    Plus James struggles psychologically with the "role" he is supposed to "play" as the lead singer of Metallica and after playing that role for so long, he is finally owrn himself out and he cant play the role anymore.......it was very eye-opening at the "struggle within" the group. The therapist even made Lars go back and talk to Dave Mustaine to help understand the "bigger picture" of what they were, and how they have come to be what they are today. It was made really well and i highly recommend watching it. Made me feel like they arent going to be around much longer unless they turn into Aerosmith and continue to tour based only on past success. And sure, some people say PJ does the same thing, (tour based on past success), and I give Metallica credit, they've stuck it out. However, any band that is in therapy, might as well hang it up.

    I have seen them 3 times and each time it was terrific; granted the last time I saw them was 98, and James' voice just isnt the same. He's lost part of his growl....but I imagine it's still pretty intense.

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  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,522
    ii44 wrote:
    Justice kinda sucks though, yeah there are a couple of good songs, but it's just a rehash of everything the did on the previous two records.

    Justice is amazing. Too bad they havent released anything good since it came out. Black Album= overrated.
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    upina2001 wrote:
    The therapist even made Lars go back and talk to Dave Mustaine to help understand the "bigger picture" of what they were, and how they have come to be what they are today. It was made really well and i highly recommend watching it.
    That was great viewing....seeing Mustaine open up, take the blame for his mistakes while showing Lars that if they were true friends.....they would have tried to be more helpful back in the day.
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  • OdinOdin Posts: 599
    As I mentioned a few months ago, Metallica's next album is a make-or-break album. If they come out with another "St. Anger" or even another "Reload," their careers are over. However, if they return to form on their next album, everyone will be back on the Metallica bandwagon in no time. And let's keep in mind that they are one of the few bands from that era that could still sell out arenas all across the country.
  • lalalalaaaaaaaalalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    They might be done, but you never know with a band like this. When it really comes down to it, they've only made 2 really bad albums (the ones after Load). The rest were excellent, so it's hard for me to count them out totally yet. If this next one stinks, maybe I'll say yes.
  • Mike_Muse_RageMike_Muse_Rage Posts: 677
    Call me crazy but I like every Metallica album. As a band, they fascinate me; the changes of style are what keep them interesting. The production on St. Anger is appalling but some of the songs aren't too bad; they're just too long and the lack of solos wasn't a great idea either. I can't wait for the new album.
  • ii44ii44 Posts: 430
    Mike_Muse_Rage wrote:
    Call me crazy but I like every Metallica album. As a band, they fascinate me; the changes of style are what keep them interesting. The production on St. Anger is appalling but some of the songs aren't too bad; they're just too long and the lack of solos wasn't a great idea either. I can't wait for the new album.

    I don't hate St. Anger, but they have to realize that [long songs] doesn't equal [good(!)] A big problem with their post black-album records is that the albums are too long and many of the songs meander pointlessly and need to be trimmed down.
  • Its Evolution BabyIts Evolution Baby Posts: 849
    I hate how its so cool to talk trash on the Black Album. Its not as good as Master of Puppets (thats their masterpiece) but I think its their second best album. Enter Sandmon, Of Wolf and Man, Don't Tread on Me, The Unforgiven, Sad But True, Wherever I May Room, Through the Never. All rocking. All classics.

    True its less Metal then before but its more classic rock. Its the album that gave them cred with people who didn't really care for Metal.

    To me its like when a punk group gets to "good" they become less punk and more rock, ie Green Day, The Clash. I think this applies to Metal as well. This is what happened with Metallica with the Black Album. If Load and Reload had been combined to one album with the best 12 songs chosen it would have been a kick ass record as well.

    No excuse for St. Anger tho.
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Metallica were done the second they came up with their name.


    :p


    I'll give them some respect though. I liked them in high school when I was full of teen agnst and hated the world and acne, but that only lasts a few years.. What are these guys 50 now?

    I can't help but think about living in my parents basement when I hear a Metallica song.
  • spnkrispnkri Posts: 137
    ii44 wrote:
    I don't hate St. Anger, but they have to realize that [long songs] doesn't equal [good(!)] A big problem with their post black-album records is that the albums are too long and many of the songs meander pointlessly and need to be trimmed down.

    Even their self-titled album had a big yellow sticker on the cover advertising "over 62 minutes of music!" as if an hour long album was twice as goof as a 30 minute album.

    I personally dislike Master Of Puppets and And Justice For All, and of course Reload and St. Anger. The only good albums they've put out are Ride The Lightning, Metallica and a few songs on Load. And Garage Days Re-revisited was decent too, if that counts.

    I can't say I'm too excited about the new one, but I'll at least check it out. And by check it out, I mean I'll download it for free on Demonoid.
  • Sian-of-the-deadSian-of-the-dead Posts: 8,963
    ii44 wrote:
    Metalica's lyrics have always sucked, this is not confined to St. Anger.

    well they used to be a little better than StAnger....

    Metallica have gone seriously downhill.
    Been to this many PJ shows: Reading 2006 London 2007 Manchester & London 2009 Dublin, Belfast, London, Nijmegen & Berlin 2010 Manchester 1 & Manchester 2 2012...

    ... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
  • reeferchiefreeferchief Posts: 3,569
    Black album is a classic, Load is ok, but live Metallica have still continued to be awesome at least, Garage Inc was pretty good I thought(remember this is all my opinion) S&M was awesome the best thing they have done/put out whatever since, well since the 80's.
    St Anger I think gets bashed a little too much, by most bands standards this album is good, by Metallica's standards it's fairly lackluster, Metallica raised the bar so high in the 80's it was always going to get to the point where it was hard to reach again.
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  • intodeepintodeep Posts: 7,240
    I would rank their albums like this:
    Master of Puppets

    Ride the Lightening


    Kill Em All



    And Justice for All
    Black





    Load


    ReLoad











    St Anger
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  • muppetmuppet Posts: 980
    How are Metallica like live? I'm seeing them at the Leeds festival.
  • drlovemonkeydrlovemonkey Posts: 394
    Hopefully the new CD (St. Angrier?) will be a return to form for Metallica. I can't take another Load, Re-Load era.
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