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  • mareede
    mareede Posts: 76
    immortality_13 wrote:
    in response to ur rant, im with u, being from Australia its hard enough gettin ur fav band out here. as for bootlegs, i think the recordin of shows by people attendin various concerts is quite poor here in terms of quality and the actual recordin of shows. people in countries excludin australia seem to be better at it.

    its almost impossible for me to obtain shows that some of my fav bands did here, especially from the early 90s from bands like AIC, GNR and if there are any they are crap quality especially the GNR ones cos ive heard em. Havin said that people do seem to be able to record Pearl Jam shows quite well and aided by radio broadcasts for the first few times they toured, there is plenty of bootlegs from them.

    some of these bands like Soundgarden and AIC only toured here once or twice and will never again, at least in their orginal form, maybe there are some good bootlegs out there but obviously they are being with held by the people that recorded them as well as tv and radio stations in Aus. so its a real shame that younger people who werent around when they toured may never hear the concerts they played in their own country.

    What's interesting though is that it depends on the band. Every show Pearl Jam has ever played in Australia has surfaced in some form, though the two that interest me the most, the first show in Australia (3/06/95) and the last with Jack (3/20/98), both in Perth, are hard to track down. Even most of Nirvana's Australian shows have surfaced, save 1/26/92, 1/27/92 and 2/02/92. They were playing small clubs, too. Yet, Smashing Pumpkins' entire 1994 and 1996 Australian tours are unsurfaced save for about 2 shows and Soundgarden's shows are next to impossible to track down. It stands to reason that most or all of Soundgarden's shows were recorded...they just haven't surfaced. That's what I can't figure out.
  • terabyte23
    terabyte23 Posts: 8
    Hi all,

    I was excited to find this thread. Been a Soundgarden fan since 1988 and I am still amazed by their music. I've collected some Soundgarden shows over the years but they are mostly post-1991. I'm still looking for early material.

    Mareede - serious kudos to you for all the Soundgarden work you have done! The new online guide is great. And thanks for all the recent Dime uploads, much appreciated.

    I would love to find a lossless copy of 1989-02-12 San Francisco - anyone seeding that somewhere? Also any 1988 material...I don't have anything from 1988 and that's a shame! :)

    Thanks and cheers!
  • Marie Curie
    Marie Curie Posts: 1,250
    terabyte23 wrote:
    Hi all,

    I was excited to find this thread. Been a Soundgarden fan since 1988 and I am still amazed by their music. I've collected some Soundgarden shows over the years but they are mostly post-1991. I'm still looking for early material.

    Mareede - serious kudos to you for all the Soundgarden work you have done! The new online guide is great. And thanks for all the recent Dime uploads, much appreciated.

    I would love to find a lossless copy of 1989-02-12 San Francisco - anyone seeding that somewhere? Also any 1988 material...I don't have anything from 1988 and that's a shame! :)

    Thanks and cheers!


    The torrent for 1989-02-12 San Francisco is still up on dime:
    http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=134198
    “Life is life everywhere. Life is in ourselves and not outside us. There will be men beside me, and the important thing is to be a man among men and to remain a man always, whatever the misfortunes, not to despair and not to fall - that is the aim of life, that is its purpose.”
    Fyodor Dostoyevsky
  • terabyte23
    terabyte23 Posts: 8
    Marie Curie wrote:
    The torrent for 1989-02-12 San Francisco is still up on dime:
    http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=134198

    Hi MC,

    Thanks. I should have mentioned I've been trying to get it on dime for a few weeks but I'm only at 4%. No consistent seeders. Anyone here willing to seed that show on dime for a while? I know at least one other person is trying to get it too.

    Thanks!
  • Marie Curie
    Marie Curie Posts: 1,250
    terabyte23 wrote:
    Hi MC,

    Thanks. I should have mentioned I've been trying to get it on dime for a few weeks but I'm only at 4%. No consistent seeders. Anyone here willing to seed that show on dime for a while? I know at least one other person is trying to get it too.

    Thanks!

    I started seeding it when I posted the link ;)
    “Life is life everywhere. Life is in ourselves and not outside us. There will be men beside me, and the important thing is to be a man among men and to remain a man always, whatever the misfortunes, not to despair and not to fall - that is the aim of life, that is its purpose.”
    Fyodor Dostoyevsky
  • terabyte23
    terabyte23 Posts: 8
    Marie Curie wrote:
    I started seeding it when I posted the link ;)

    Yes, it is zipping along nicely now. You rock!! Thank you very much MC!!! :)
  • mareede
    mareede Posts: 76
    terabyte23 wrote:
    Hi all,

    I was excited to find this thread. Been a Soundgarden fan since 1988 and I am still amazed by their music. I've collected some Soundgarden shows over the years but they are mostly post-1991. I'm still looking for early material.

    Mareede - serious kudos to you for all the Soundgarden work you have done! The new online guide is great. And thanks for all the recent Dime uploads, much appreciated.

    I would love to find a lossless copy of 1989-02-12 San Francisco - anyone seeding that somewhere? Also any 1988 material...I don't have anything from 1988 and that's a shame! :)

    Thanks and cheers!

    If you need me to jump on and seed something let me know.

    What shows do you have? I'm always looking to get new shows out there, and it's always possible you have something the rest of us don't.

    Thanks for the kind words, by the way.
  • searchlightsoul
    searchlightsoul Posts: 583
    immortality_13 wrote:
    in response to ur rant, im with u, being from Australia its hard enough gettin ur fav band out here. as for bootlegs, i think the recordin of shows by people attendin various concerts is quite poor here in terms of quality and the actual recordin of shows. people in countries excludin australia seem to be better at it.

    its almost impossible for me to obtain shows that some of my fav bands did here, especially from the early 90s from bands like AIC, GNR and if there are any they are crap quality especially the GNR ones cos ive heard em. Havin said that people do seem to be able to record Pearl Jam shows quite well and aided by radio broadcasts for the first few times they toured, there is plenty of bootlegs from them.

    some of these bands like Soundgarden and AIC only toured here once or twice and will never again, at least in their orginal form, maybe there are some good bootlegs out there but obviously they are being with held by the people that recorded them as well as tv and radio stations in Aus. so its a real shame that younger people who werent around when they toured may never hear the concerts they played in their own country.

    I have seen snippets of pro-shot Soundgarden (Spoonman clip) from the Big Day Out which I am assuming was from Syndey on the 97' tour. I watched it on a channel V promotion for a documentary on the festival but the actual doco did not have much footage. They obviosly are not able to relase it for licensing reasons. Pro-shot Soundgarden......damn.
  • terabyte23
    terabyte23 Posts: 8
    mareede wrote:
    If you need me to jump on and seed something let me know.

    What shows do you have? I'm always looking to get new shows out there, and it's always possible you have something the rest of us don't.

    Thanks for the kind words, by the way.

    Thanks! Here's what I have. Looking at the breadth of material in this thread, I'm guessing you have all this already (some are from your recent seeds too). If not, let me know. If anyone can seed any other 1988-1990 shows on Dime or Zomb I would love to get 'em! I am currently downloading the 1988-02-11 video on Zomb.

    1989-02-12 - San Francisco, CA
    1989-05-14 - Hippodrome - London (Peel Sessions)
    1989-05-xx - Madone, Bergamo, Italy
    1989-10-29 - Providence, RI (Ugly Flowers)

    1990-01-21 - Paradise Ballroom, Boston, MA
    1990-04-16 - Philipshalle - Dusseldorf, Germany (proshot video)

    1991-10-06 - Hollywood, CA (Rip Magazine Awards - FM)
    1991-11-14 - Club 1313 - Charlotte, NC

    1992-07-22 - Kitsap Co Fairgrounds, Bremerton, WA
    1992-03-05+06 - Seattle, WA
    1992-03-12 - London
    1992-05-02 - Riviera - Chicago, IL
    1992-06-08 - Landgraaf, Netherlands (Pinkpop)
    1992-06-20 - Wurzburg, Germany
    1992-07-21 - UBC - Vancouver, Canada
    1992-08-25 - Blockbuster Pavilion - Charlotte, NC
    1992-09-08 - Phoenix, AZ (Lollapalooza)

    1994-02-08 - Tokyo, Japan
    1994-02-10 - Castle Hall - Osaka, Japan
    1994-03-21 - The Globe - Stockholm, Sweden
    1994-03-23 - Sentrum Scene - Oslo, Norway
    1994-04-08 - Elysee Montmartre - Paris, France
    1994-06-17 - New York City, NY
    1994-07-02 - Marcus Amphitheater - Milwaukee, WI
    1994-07-23 - Fair Park Coliseum - Dallas, TX
    1994-07-28 - Sunrise Musical Theatre - Sunrise, FL
    1994-08-05 - Guertin Arena - Hull, Quebec, Canada

    1996-07-05 - Molson Music Park - Ontario, Canada
    1996-09-19 - Brixton Academy - London
    1996-09-20 - MTV Studios - London
    1996-09-21 - Barcelona, Spain
    1996-09-22 - Peineta Stadium - Madrid, Spain
    1996-09-28 - The Docks - Hamburg, Germany
    1996-10-02 - Musikhalle - Hannover, Germany
    1996-10-11 - Rotterdam, Netherlands
    1996-11-09 - Aragon Ballroom - Chicago, IL

    1997-01-27 - Sydney, Australia

    And a few more that I'm currently downloading :)

    Note: Edited on 5/11/08 to fix incorrect dates - see following post by mareede
  • mareede
    mareede Posts: 76
    terabyte23 wrote:
    Thanks! Here's what I have. Looking at the breadth of material in this thread, I'm guessing you have all this already (some are from your recent seeds too). If not, let me know. If anyone can seed any other 1988-1990 shows on Dime or Zomb I would love to get 'em! I am currently downloading the 1988-02-11 video on Zomb.

    1989-02-12 - San Francisco, CA
    1994-04-08 - Elysee Montmartre - Paris, France (not 4/07/94)
    1994-08-05 - Guertin Arena - Hull, Quebec, Canada

    That's a nice list! We don't need any of those yet, although if you want to re-up 11/09/96 Chicago, I'd be happy as a pig in slop. I'm assuming you grabbed the master transfer from DIME a few years ago...I did too and then my computer crashed and I lost it.

    Also, I took the liberty of editing the shows you mislabeled. Sorry...I'm really militant about it as a result of all the mislabeled Soundgarden bootlegs out there. I think that with the renewed interest in collecting Soundgarden out there we have a really good chance to help snuff out all the mislabels and bad information out there once and for all. At least, I hope. That's why I put up the Mislabeled shows FAQ on the Live Guide.

    Finally, tonight I'll throw up 2/02/97 on DIME. It's the last of the Soundgarden shows I brought with me to France, so you'll have to wait another 3 months or so for more. I still have at least three dozen shows to share before you're all caught up with me, and by then I could have more as I'm always working on tracking down new shows to share. Among the shows I'll be putting up after my return to the USA, keep an eye out for the following:

    10/12/91 Day On The Green Festival, Oakland, CA - another 1991 show! They open with "Into The Void".
    5/10/92 Trocodero Theater, Philadelphia, PA - another excellent show from the 1992 club tour. Crummy sound, but an awesome show
    8/18/93 CNE Stadium, Toronto, ON - "Beyond The Wheel" and "Jesus Christ Pose" from the Black Hole Sun single are from this show. This is complete and also features an early "Mailman", but the sound is B+ at best. I would have upped this one earlier but I wasn't able to track down the master like I was hoping to...
    6/16/94 Armory, New York, NY - a rather infamous show, in that it was about 120 degrees in the arena and Soundgarden came on late. Really cool show.
    9/06/95 Offenbach, Germany - another 1995 show! It's really similar to 9/01/95 but the sound is better.
    7/07/96 Hippodrome, Quebec City, QC - really similar to 7/05/96, but the show is better. Last recorded performance of "Flower".
    11/15/96 Roseland Ballroom, New York, NY - complete DAT audio with good sound; also features an interview with Cornell from a NYC Radio Station
    12/05/96 Henry J. Kaiser Auditorium, Oakland, CA - complete DAT audio; if I can't track down an upgrade I'm putting this one out there. The tape suffers from degradation so I'd much rather get a clean copy, but I'm putting this out there if a clean copy can't be found. This should put to rest the debate about the 12/04/96 video.

    Also, I'm working with a fellow Soundgarden trader to up his collection of ANA cassettes and videos. He'll be doing the upping, though. Once he starts he won't stop, and I can tell you he's going to put about a dozen new 1996 shows into circulation.

    Things are going well, and I'm glad.
  • terabyte23
    terabyte23 Posts: 8
    mareede wrote:
    That's a nice list! We don't need any of those yet, although if you want to re-up 11/09/96 Chicago, I'd be happy as a pig in slop. I'm assuming you grabbed the master transfer from DIME a few years ago...I did too and then my computer crashed and I lost it.

    Also, I took the liberty of editing the shows you mislabeled. Sorry...I'm really militant about it as a result of all the mislabeled Soundgarden bootlegs out there. I think that with the renewed interest in collecting Soundgarden out there we have a really good chance to help snuff out all the mislabels and bad information out there once and for all. At least, I hope. That's why I put up the Mislabeled shows FAQ on the Live Guide.

    Thanks for fixing my show dates. I definitely want to avoid mislabels and bad info!! I tried checking the dates in the Live Guide but I haven't been able to access the guide for a few days (it won't load).

    That's exciting about the material you're planning to share!

    I can put up the 1996-11-09 show in a few days. It is the transfer from the DAT master. Here is the info file:
    Soundgarden 11/9/1996 Aragon Ballroom Chicago, IL

    DAT MASTER (Sony D7) > HHB CDR-800 > Apple G3 with xACT Flac conversion (Level 8)

    Mics: Sonic Studio DSM-P with 65hz roll-off. Taped FOB on the right side.

    Show Notes: This show is a must have. Cornell was drunk and he liked talking in between songs. Very nice sound and a great performance. This was one of my favorite Soundgarden shows (I seen them 21 times). Snag This one!!!


    d1:
    01. Spoonman
    02. Searching with my good eye closed
    03. Let me drown
    04. Pretty noose
    05. Burden in my hand
    06. My wave
    07. Ty cobb
    08. An unkind
    09. Fell on black days
    10. Helter skelter
    11. Boot camp
    12. Rusty cage
    13. Black hole sun
    14. Outshined
    15. Blow up the outside world


    d2:
    01. Drawing flies
    02. Dusty
    03. Slaves and bulldozers
    04. No attention
    05. Jesus christ pose


    Enjoy....The Tape Junkie
  • mareede
    mareede Posts: 76
    Thanks! I don't know the lineage of my copy, just DATx>???>CDRx. I'm really hoping the next night's show surfaces sometime, since it's supposedly a much better show than the first night. Check it out: http://web.stargate.net/soundgarden/images/chicago/
  • immortality_13
    immortality_13 Posts: 232
    wow this thread just seems to be gettin better and better, u guys are doin such a fantastic job and its very generous of u's to provide us a chance to listen and collect them, especially Mareede dont know how u track down all these shows, cant wait for that 1995 show love the 95 shows!

    that review was really cool and great pictures ive been to that website a few times but hadnt seen that review before so thanks for that.
  • terabyte23
    terabyte23 Posts: 8
    mareede wrote:
    Also, I took the liberty of editing the shows you mislabeled. Sorry...I'm really militant about it as a result of all the mislabeled Soundgarden bootlegs out there. I think that with the renewed interest in collecting Soundgarden out there we have a really good chance to help snuff out all the mislabels and bad information out there once and for all. At least, I hope. That's why I put up the Mislabeled shows FAQ on the Live Guide.

    1989-02-12 - San Francisco, CA
    1994-04-08 - Elysee Montmartre - Paris, France (not 4/07/94)
    1994-08-05 - Guertin Arena - Hull, Quebec, Canada
    It turns out I had just fat-fingered the info on the 1989-02-12 and 1994-08-05 shows. But my copy of 1994-04-08 was incorrectly labeled as 1994-04-07, as you indicated. I listened to it and could hear Chris say "Paris" a couple of times. Thanks for the corrections!
  • blinddogsdontbelieve
    blinddogsdontbelieve Posts: 110
    I have a SG bootleg related question. Is the b-side/rarity "hiv baby" a live track? It sure seems like it with the spanish intro with the crowd chanting Soundgarden. The crowd noise goes away when the music starts, this could be due to the mix of the soundboard. If it is live does anyone know the date of this peformance? Would be somewhere around 92, seeing as i have a 05/02/1992 chicago where it pops up.
  • mareede
    mareede Posts: 76
    immortality_13 wrote:
    .....especially Mareede dont know how u track down all these shows, cant wait for that 1995 show love the 95 shows!

    that review was really cool and great pictures ive been to that website a few times but hadnt seen that review before so thanks for that.

    The Unofficial Soundgarden Page is the greatest thing since sliced bread. It hasn't seen a real update since about 1999 and it still looks fantastic and contains more content than any other page could even hope to have. My guide wouldn't be nearly as complete, not even close, were it not for the archived section of concert reviews, articles and back SOMMS digest posts there.

    As for how I've tracked down all those shows, I can give you several reasons:

    1) I started trading before the old generation of Soundgarden traders dropped out of the scene, around 1998-99. We aren't finding too many new recordings anymore really, we're just resurrecting recordings that used to be really common amongst Soundgarden traders. I have been able to track down some new shows, but for the most part it's been an effort to get some of those shows that used to be common back into circulation. Believe it or not, we still have a ways to go. For example: these shows used to be really common:

    6/13/89 Pisa, Italy
    11/05/89 Detroit, MI
    3/17/92 Stockholm, Sweden
    4/12/94 Nottingham, UK
    6/06/94 Salt Lake City, UT
    7/25/94 New Orleans, LA
    8/25/95 Hasselt, Belgium
    6/20/96 Seattle, WA
    9/26/96 Milan, Italy
    1/25/97 Melbourne, Australia

    And that's just off the top of my head...I'm sure I've forgotten a bunch. Those shows used to be fairly common and today they're pretty much unsurfaced. I have hot leads on the Nottingham and New Orleans shows from 1994, but the others remain difficult to find, even on old trade lists of people who haven't been active since 1999-2000. A lot has disappeared over the past 10 years. I've been trying really hard to track down those shows, and when I succeed in getting ahold of a still-active older trader, I put the show out there. 9/21/96 was a good example of this. I traded for that show in like 2001 and only finally got it out this year.

    2) During my initial trade period I tracked down a trader who was liquidating his analog collection. I bought like 20 cassettes off him for like $40. I don't condone selling or buying bootlegs at all, but this was the old days (1999) and sometimes you just have to make an exception to get a bootleg out there. Here's what that purchase netted us:

    12/05/89 Phoenix, AZ
    1/29/92 Los Angeles, CA
    8/16/93 Clarkston, MI
    6/16/94 New York, NY
    7/17/94 Los Angeles, CA
    8/05/94 Hull, QC, Canada
    8/13/94 Seattle, WA
    8/04/96 Irvine, CA

    I think there were a few others too. Look for the 1989 Phoenix show and the 1994 LA show when I get back from France. I also bought a bunch of DAT>ANA1 Nirvana audios from 1993 too that are now obsolete.

    3) In the course of researching information for the Soundgarden Live Guide over the last nine years, I've stumbled upon a lot of bootlegs: sometimes it's random chance, sometimes it's a trader who has 1-2 shows on his/her list and doesn't really advertise, or sometimes it's just somebody making an off-hand comment about a show. Whatever the reason is, I have no choice but to pursue it until they stop responding to emails. This is how I tracked down 9/16/96, 12/05/96 et al. I have a method: using Google and Yahoo, I enter the date of a show into the search engine, enter Soundgarden and then enter audio/video and the city name. Most times it comes up with nothing, but sometimes you get lucky. I recently stumbled upon a new 1994 Australia show this way, so now let's just hope the guy decides he wants to trade with me.

    4) Because of my ties in the Nirvana community (I helped found http://www.livenirvana.com and I've been around for a LONG time in that community) I happen to know a lot of traders who specialize in recordings of Seattle bands. Sometimes these traders also collect Soundgarden, sometimes they happen to know somebody who collects Soundgarden and most of the time they know other traders with huge DAT lists who have been trading for a long time. Recordings then just fall into my lap this way.

    5) Recordings also fall into my lap because I run the Live Guide. No arrogance intended...that's just how it goes. Because of the guide I'm the one somebody contacts when they want to get a recording out there, or want information on a recording. I'm always happy to have something new to listen to and something new to share, so I get really excited when somebody tells me they have a show they want to get out.

    And to think-there are at least 400 shows that haven't surfaced in any way. We have work to do!
  • mareede
    mareede Posts: 76
    blinddogsdontbelieve wrote:
    I have a SG bootleg related question. Is the b-side/rarity "hiv baby" a live track? It sure seems like it with the spanish intro with the crowd chanting Soundgarden. The crowd noise goes away when the music starts, this could be due to the mix of the soundboard. If it is live does anyone know the date of this peformance? Would be somewhere around 92, seeing as i have a 05/02/1992 chicago where it pops up.

    It's studio. It was recorded for the split single with Sub Pop in 1990, though I believe they may have rerecorded it around the BMF era. The intro is live though, but I can't pin down the show. That song had been kicking around for awhile though, as they played it on their February-March 1989 tour.

    Also, 2/02/97 is now up on DIME for those who don't have it: http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=196285
  • immortality_13
    immortality_13 Posts: 232
    mareede wrote:

    And to think-there are at least 400 shows that haven't surfaced in any way. We have work to do!

    wow, see thats somethin i could never do, collect shows and more shows though in sayin that thats what i have been doin but each time i get one i think its gona be the last one i get and then another pops up, thats been happenin lately with the Soundgarden shows, i didnt think id have more than 2 from 1995 now it looks like ill have 4 thanks to u Mareede, love those shows!
    It would be too overwhelming for me to have 400 hundred shows however if the shows keep popin up i will download them cos i cant resist listenin to them, especially if they are good quality, and have those rarer songs i wont delete those ones.
  • mareede
    mareede Posts: 76
    Well, aside from the obsessive compulsive aspect of it, what motivates me is the fact we don't have many GREAT Soundgarden bootlegs. We have many good ones, but we don't have too many that you can put on any time and dig without worrying about sound quality, Chris' voice, etc. I'm motivated because I want to unearth more shows that are GREAT bootlegs. Like 2/08/94, 2/12/89, 9/09/95 etc. We're going to have another one soon-12/18/96, the last North American show. The quality is a bit rough, but it's a phenomenal show from what I've heard. My friend that has it is finally going to torrent it, I think. For the record, here's the setlist of that show:

    Spoonman
    Searching With My Good Eye Closed
    Let Me Drown
    Pretty Noose
    Burden In My Hand
    My Wave
    Ty Cobb
    Black Hole Sun
    Outshined
    Rusty Cage
    Fell On Black Days
    Head Down
    Never The Machine Forever
    Blow Up The Outside World
    Search And Destroy
    Nothing To Say
    Slaves And Bulldozers
    Dusty
    Jesus Christ Pose

    Chris sounds amazing too, from what I've heard. I can't wait.
  • Duder5k
    Duder5k Posts: 278
    opiumrebel wrote:
    It's a cool special, interviews and videos snippets and some live segments. But please keep in mind that it was produced for German-TV. So it's, unfortunately, in German, more annoying for all non German speakers it features voice over instead of subtitles. This can be annoying for some people.
    But nonetheless it's quite interesting.
    So, any updates on this? Did you convert it yet? Maybe matt can help you if you're having any problems uploading to the tracker...

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