Oasis-Don't Believe the Truth official thread

Swallow Poison

DocChicago wrote:

Wonderful! Another one of these comments! You and glasshouse and the rest of the shit talkers can go post in the "hatred and vitriol" thread and pat yourselves on the back. We'll continue discussing this album over here. Thanks for your contribution.

Well said sir.

That is indeed the purpose of the vitriol thread - to allow people to vent their spleens in a place dedicated to negativity, as opposed to ruining perfectly good conversation with comments intended to inflame and annoy.

The problem is though, someone has just posted in there that they hate Oasis...

AxlUlrich

Swallow Poison wrote:

Well said sir.

That is indeed the purpose of the vitriol thread - to allow people to vent their spleens in a place dedicated to negativity, as opposed to ruining perfectly good conversation with comments intended to inflame and annoy.

The problem is though, someone has just posted in there that they hate Oasis...

yeh i kinda ignored that lol..im used to people bashing everyone i admire...especially Oasis,Lars Ulrich and Axl Rose...and more recently Perry Farrell

Swallow Poison

AxlUlrich wrote:

yeh i kinda ignored that lol..im used to people bashing everyone i admire...especially Oasis,Lars Ulrich and Axl Rose...and more recently Perry Farrell

Well I for one have a lot of time for all those guys.

pushmepullme

So, in a discussion about the new Oasis album, no one is allowed to say its crap?

Swallow Poison

pushmepullme wrote:

So, in a discussion about the new Oasis album, no one is allowed to say its crap?

Fair enough - post that if you want to.

I think merely lambasting a band is more likely to incense people though, whereas a well thought-out critique is a lot more pallatable and agreeable.

Cornflakegrl98

pushmepullme wrote:

So, in a discussion about the new Oasis album, no one is allowed to say its crap?

nah no one's saying that, i mean if you listened to it objectively and really can't stand it and you post a review of why you didn't like it, I mean that's fine. I haven't bought the album yet so i like reading about what tracks worked on the album and which didn't. that's cool.

however, the people that just come on and insult oasis and their fans just to start fights, not cool. when i read this thread i want to hear opinions about the album, i don't want to read bullshit about liam and noel's attitudes because i don't care about that and it deviates from the topic.

pushmepullme

Oasis. Well, well, well.
Back in the mid 1990's, there was a time when bands like Oasis roamed the earth. It was a time of increased machoism, and the 'lad' culture was newly born, fuelled by increased popularity in footall (EURO 96 helped), laddettes (Zoe Ball, Sara Cox), New Labour, Lad magazines (Loaded, FHM) and indie (Bands like Oasis, Blue, Stone Roses, OCS etc). The music defined an age, edgy, fashionable, rocky and sensitive. It was in this musical landscape that Oasis thrived, playing up on the age, by staging massive outdoor concerts, being drunk all the time, hanging out with Blair and being seen at all the right parties. Their music at this time was good too, properly rocking, with riffs, and the ballads were excellent.
However, Oasis' third record, signalled the end of the lad movement. Be Here Now was a terrible record, comprising not a single new tune, and moments of gross self indulgence (All Around The World, Do You Know What I Mean). As the other bands of that era have either disappeared, or reinvented themselves (Blur, Radiohead), Oasis have clung desparately to their past glories, still swearing and acting all cocky in interviews, which just sound stupid when they're all approaching their 40's.
Their records since this time, have all been largely dissappointing affairs, with only a trace of their former glories (Stop Crying Your Heart Out), overshadowed by the huge amounts of dross (Lyla).
With new bands challenging our perceptions of 'popular' music, and the mainstream sound getting heavier and heavier, Oasis are just embarrassing, to the large population of Britain, an embarrassment.

Of course, Oasis are shit would have been quicker.

kdpjam

why is the album crap? oasis is not my favorite band by far, but i enjoy the new one and don't see how someone could call it crap.

Swallow Poison

pushmepullme wrote:

Oasis. Well, well, well.
Back in the mid 1990's, there was a time when bands like Oasis roamed the earth. It was a time of increased machoism, and the 'lad' culture was newly born, fuelled by increased popularity in footall (EURO 96 helped), laddettes (Zoe Ball, Sara Cox), New Labour, Lad magazines (Loaded, FHM) and indie (Bands like Oasis, Blue, Stone Roses, OCS etc). The music defined an age, edgy, fashionable, rocky and sensitive. It was in this musical landscape that Oasis thrived, playing up on the age, by staging massive outdoor concerts, being drunk all the time, hanging out with Blair and being seen at all the right parties. Their music at this time was good too, properly rocking, with riffs, and the ballads were excellent.
However, Oasis' third record, signalled the end of the lad movement. Be Here Now was a terrible record, comprising not a single new tune, and moments of gross self indulgence (All Around The World, Do You Know What I Mean). As the other bands of that era have either disappeared, or reinvented themselves (Blur, Radiohead), Oasis have clung desparately to their past glories, still swearing and acting all cocky in interviews, which just sound stupid when they're all approaching their 40's.
Their records since this time, have all been largely dissappointing affairs, with only a trace of their former glories (Stop Crying Your Heart Out), overshadowed by the huge amounts of dross (Lyla).
With new bands challenging our perceptions of 'popular' music, and the mainstream sound getting heavier and heavier, Oasis are just embarrassing, to the large population of Britain, an embarrassment.

Of course, Oasis are shit would have been quicker.

I think one of the reasons for their emergence and initial popularity was that they were a complete opposite to the shoe-gazing, "our fans are idiots" and "I don't want to be famous" attitudes of their Grunge counterparts, thus were a welcome change. Oasis wanted it all.

The main reason though, was that they had great songs. Live Forever, Slide Away, Cast No Shadow, Wonderwall, Whatever - to name but a few of their earlier work. Never mind the oft-quoted superior B Sides that they virtually threw away.

I will agree that their music has been in decline somewhat since Morning Glory but firmly believe they still add gems to an already stagnant music scene in this country. Some often judge them by their own earlier and higher standards and I would agree, using this yardstick, they fail to reach those vertigo-inducing heights.

However, they still deserve our attention and I for one, believe this new album to be somewhat of a resurgence.

Of course, saying Oasis are still pretty great would have been quicker...

pushmepullme

Swallow Poison wrote:

I think one of the reasons for their emergence and initial popularity was that they were a complete opposite to the shoe-gazing, "our fans are idiots" and "I don't want to be famous" attitudes of their Grunge counterparts, thus were a welcome change. Oasis wanted it all.

The main reason though, was that they had great songs. Live Forever, Slide Away, Cast No Shadow, Wonderwall, Whatever - to name but a few of their earlier work. Never mind the oft-quoted superior B Sides that they virtually threw away.

I will agree that their music has been in decline somewhat since Morning Glory but firmly believe they still add gems to an already stagnant music scene in this country. Some often judge them by their own earlier and higher standards and I would agree, using this yardstick, they fail to reach those vertigo-inducing heights.

However, they still deserve our attention and I for one, believe this new album to be somewhat of a resurgence.

Of course, saying Oasis are still pretty great would have been quicker...

Cast No Shadow was good, I'll give you that.

kdpjam

Swallow Poison wrote:

I think one of the reasons for their emergence and initial popularity was that they were a complete opposite to the shoe-gazing, "our fans are idiots" and "I don't want to be famous" attitudes of their Grunge counterparts, thus were a welcome change. Oasis wanted it all.

The main reason though, was that they had great songs. Live Forever, Slide Away, Cast No Shadow, Wonderwall, Whatever - to name but a few of their earlier work. Never mind the oft-quoted superior B Sides that they virtually threw away.

I will agree that their music has been in decline somewhat since Morning Glory but firmly believe they still add gems to an already stagnant music scene in this country. Some often judge them by their own earlier and higher standards and I would agree, using this yardstick, they fail to reach those vertigo-inducing heights.

However, they still deserve our attention and I for one, believe this new album to be somewhat of a resurgence.

Of course, saying Oasis are still pretty great would have been quicker...

well said!!! i agree

Cornflakegrl98

anything from definitely maybe (except digsey's diner, hate that song) or morning glory were Oasis at their peak. and those 2 albums produced some great b-sides, "talk tonight", "headshrinker" and "acquiesce" just to name a few.

i definitely agree that Oasis did decline after Be Here Now, but even though Standing on the Shoulder of Giants and Heathen Chemistry were not perfect, they really did have their moments of greatness. hearing that the new album is like a resurgence makes me even more excited for when i will see them live at the end of the month!

Swallow Poison

pushmepullme wrote:

Cast No Shadow was good, I'll give you that.

It was indeed very good.

In my humble opinion, possibly Liam's best vocal performance. The drumming triplets by Alan White are excellent too.

If you didn't know (I'm sure most of you do) it was about Richard Ashcroft of the now defunct Verve.

Swallow Poison

Cornflakegrl98 wrote:

anything from definitely maybe (except digsey's diner, hate that song) or morning glory were Oasis at their peak. and those 2 albums produced some great b-sides, "talk tonight", "headshrinker" and "acquiesce" just to name a few.

i definitely agree that Oasis did decline after Be Here Now, but even though Standing on the Shoulder of Giants and Heathen Chemistry were not perfect, they really did have their moments of greatness. hearing that the new album is like a resurgence makes me even more excited for when i will see them live at the end of the month!

Enjoy the gig.

Hopefully it won't go the way of previous US tours...

AxlUlrich

Cornflakegrl98 wrote:

anything from definitely maybe (except digsey's diner, hate that song) or morning glory were Oasis at their peak. and those 2 albums produced some great b-sides, "talk tonight", "headshrinker" and "acquiesce" just to name a few.

i definitely agree that Oasis did decline after Be Here Now, but even though Standing on the Shoulder of Giants and Heathen Chemistry were not perfect, they really did have their moments of greatness. hearing that the new album is like a resurgence makes me even more excited for when i will see them live at the end of the month!

heh i actually like Digsy's Dinner alot...
i love Oasis's b sides..they are the only band whom i actually bothered collecting every single they put out (cept the OZ singles for Morning Glory and Champagne Supernova)
sadly i wasnt too impressed with the b-sides from Heathen Chemistry and Lyla

Cornflakegrl98

Swallow Poison wrote:

Enjoy the gig.

Hopefully it won't go the way of previous US tours...

heh that was in the back of my mind as i was buying the tickets, and I have awesome seats!

I do hope they are past that, though even if Liam were to refuse to perform, i wouldn't mind hearing noel, he did a great job at the unplugged show...

Swallow Poison

AxlUlrich wrote:

heh i actually like Digsy's Dinner alot...
i love Oasis's b sides..they are the only band whom i actually bothered collecting every single they put out (cept the OZ singles for Morning Glory and Champagne Supernova)
sadly i wasnt too impressed with the b-sides from Heathen Chemistry and Lyla

I've been listening to the Go Let It Out single a lot lately.

First of all, the A Side was really underrated in my opinion, but how good were the B Sides?

Let's All Make Believe is astounding and Cigarettes In Hell is excellent too.

Many believe all the best B Sides to be around the Cigarettes & Alcohol to Don't Look Back In Anger period (from which Underneath the Sky was an underdog favourite of mine) and often overlook this little classic...

Cornflakegrl98

AxlUlrich wrote:

heh i actually like Digsy's Dinner alot...
i love Oasis's b sides..they are the only band whom i actually bothered collecting every single they put out (cept the OZ singles for Morning Glory and Champagne Supernova)
sadly i wasnt too impressed with the b-sides from Heathen Chemistry and Lyla

heh, sometimes digsy's doesn't bother me, but it's definitely not a favorite. little james is another one i'm not crazy about.

i bought all the singles when i went to london in 1997, happiest day of my life since i couldn't find them anywhere. i've stopped collecting after "Do you Know What I mean", i'm not that big of a B-side freak because with most bands they are just disappointing.

DocChicago

I'm having a really hard time getting the Lyla B-sides from my quasi-legal file sharing service of choice. The decline in quality in B-sides over the past 2 albums has been unfortunate. I do agree that "Let's All Make Believe" is a gem, and "Carry Us All" is sweet as well. But I'm still hoping for another "Whatever."

Did someone say earlier that "The Importance of Being Idle" is confirmed as the next single? Is that true for the US as well?

(finally, thanks to pushmepullme for the more insightful post explaining why he thinks Oasis are shit. it showed a much higher level of civility and discourse than we often see around here. kudos.)

AxlUlrich

DocChicago wrote:

I'm having a really hard time getting the Lyla B-sides from my quasi-legal file sharing service of choice. The decline in quality in B-sides over the past 2 albums has been unfortunate. I do agree that "Let's All Make Believe" is a gem, and "Carry Us All" is sweet as well. But I'm still hoping for another "Whatever."

Did someone say earlier that "The Importance of Being Idle" is confirmed as the next single? Is that true for the US as well?

(finally, thanks to pushmepullme for the more insightful post explaining why he thinks Oasis are shit. it showed a much higher level of civility and discourse than we often see around here. kudos.)

yep it is confirmed..
one of the b-sides is Pass Me Down the Wine which can be found on itunes i think..and everyone's been raving about it..
atm it looks like after TIOBI..the next singles will be Let There Be Love in November and Love Like a Bomb in February