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  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    He has a long list of being shady and inept, getting caught, and explaining it away to the unsuspecting public. The tour grade zip tie pack is snakenoily enough for me to avoid him.

    https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/vertex-information-thread.2260521/
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,052
    DewieCox said:
    He has a long list of being shady and inept, getting caught, and explaining it away to the unsuspecting public. The tour grade zip tie pack is snakenoily enough for me to avoid him.

    https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/vertex-information-thread.2260521/
    unfortunately i can't view it because i do not have an account. sounds like a real asshole though.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,296
    I don't like piling on when I don't know the full situation, but Dewey seems right about this guy / company being shady.   And this seems like PSA info that we should consider.  This is from Gear Page...

    " just to remind everyone again:

    Vertex Mason’s Greatest Hits

    1a.) BBE/Axis wah scam
    *1b.) Cease and desist letters to TGP members who exposed the scam
    Supposedly refunds were given but seriously who buys cheap Wahs at a premium, relabels/brands, goops to cover logos and the fact that there were no mods and jacks up the price, while selling as NOS.
    **somehow he now plays victim here.

    2.) Belden/Vertex cable scam
    *3.) Dynamic Distortion SD9 scam https://www.thegearpage.net/board/i...tex-visits-andertons-uk.1992038/post-27483798

    4.) using RACKDOCTOR’s (LA Sound Design) work and advertising it as his own
    LA Sound design board on Vertex site. https://web.archive.org/web/20140105044932/http://vertexeffectsystems.com/
    *4b.) not a scam but notice the name? David Phillips known as RACKDOCTOR (not rigdoctor) has been a state side rig guru since the 90s. infact Mason didn’t know how to solder when RACKDOCTOR built the board.

    5.) Passing off a Paul Trombetta fuzz as the Vertex 109 Fuzz
    6.) Vertex Boost expression jack design lie: “out of the audio path” straight up lies to sell product.
    7.) Boss FV-500 volume pedal mod scam - similar to BBE but a bit more transparent (hard to not be because it’s Boss)
    8.) “Claimed to have EE from Berkeley“
    9.) “Berkeley d/c’d their EE program”
    10.) Bonamassa affair - Joe writes an open letter about Mason https://forum.jbonamassa.com/viewtopic.php?id=27168
    11.) “I modeled this pedal after a Dumble” (fake Dumble in video) ODS
    12.) “I modeled this pedal after a Dumble” (actually a Jack Orman circuit design) Steel String
    13.) Name-dropping/claiming artist endorsement where there is none
    14.) Demoing dangerous/stupid/useless amp mods on Youtube, showboating as the RIGDOCTOR (see 4b)

    just a jist.+  "



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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,052
    Jason P said:
    I don't like piling on when I don't know the full situation, but Dewey seems right about this guy / company being shady.   And this seems like PSA info that we should consider.  This is from Gear Page...

    " just to remind everyone again:

    Vertex Mason’s Greatest Hits

    1a.) BBE/Axis wah scam
    *1b.) Cease and desist letters to TGP members who exposed the scam
    Supposedly refunds were given but seriously who buys cheap Wahs at a premium, relabels/brands, goops to cover logos and the fact that there were no mods and jacks up the price, while selling as NOS.
    **somehow he now plays victim here.

    2.) Belden/Vertex cable scam
    *3.) Dynamic Distortion SD9 scam https://www.thegearpage.net/board/i...tex-visits-andertons-uk.1992038/post-27483798

    4.) using RACKDOCTOR’s (LA Sound Design) work and advertising it as his own
    LA Sound design board on Vertex site. https://web.archive.org/web/20140105044932/http://vertexeffectsystems.com/
    *4b.) not a scam but notice the name? David Phillips known as RACKDOCTOR (not rigdoctor) has been a state side rig guru since the 90s. infact Mason didn’t know how to solder when RACKDOCTOR built the board.

    5.) Passing off a Paul Trombetta fuzz as the Vertex 109 Fuzz
    6.) Vertex Boost expression jack design lie: “out of the audio path” straight up lies to sell product.
    7.) Boss FV-500 volume pedal mod scam - similar to BBE but a bit more transparent (hard to not be because it’s Boss)
    8.) “Claimed to have EE from Berkeley“
    9.) “Berkeley d/c’d their EE program”
    10.) Bonamassa affair - Joe writes an open letter about Mason https://forum.jbonamassa.com/viewtopic.php?id=27168
    11.) “I modeled this pedal after a Dumble” (fake Dumble in video) ODS
    12.) “I modeled this pedal after a Dumble” (actually a Jack Orman circuit design) Steel String
    13.) Name-dropping/claiming artist endorsement where there is none
    14.) Demoing dangerous/stupid/useless amp mods on Youtube, showboating as the RIGDOCTOR (see 4b)

    just a jist.+  "



    oh wow. dude seems like a real jabroni,

    thanks guys for pointing that out.

    will have to look elsewhere for a steel string like pedal.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,296
    ok, back to happy things ... amps! :)

    I've been doing homework on amps ... some background, I gave up on electric guitars after a fire some years back when most my stuff went up in flames.  I never liked my amps (2 Crates that sounded generic and a low watt VOX that I don't think I understood at the time), thus I always reverted to acoustic due to frustrations.  But I've figured out I'm attracted to 60's era sound and thus Fender tube amps are at the top of my list.  But I've been looking at Supro recently.  Anyone have experience with Supro?

    The Supro Keeley Custom amps (1968 RK) are in price range with similar Fender amps.  Three things that interest me 1) Effects loops (rare in tube amps outside a few)  2) Master volume 3) Simple controls

    It has a creamback Celestion and 6V6 tubes.  100% analog

    I've got a Big Sky, so not having built in reverb isn't a deal killer.  I've been really hung up on volume and I'm not sure if I'm analyzing it correctly ... This will be played in my home mostly and I don't want to go deaf.  The master volume is advertised as keeping tone at home levels.


    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Jason P said:
    I don't like piling on when I don't know the full situation, but Dewey seems right about this guy / company being shady.   And this seems like PSA info that we should consider.  This is from Gear Page...

    " just to remind everyone again:

    Vertex Mason’s Greatest Hits

    1a.) BBE/Axis wah scam
    *1b.) Cease and desist letters to TGP members who exposed the scam
    Supposedly refunds were given but seriously who buys cheap Wahs at a premium, relabels/brands, goops to cover logos and the fact that there were no mods and jacks up the price, while selling as NOS.
    **somehow he now plays victim here.

    2.) Belden/Vertex cable scam
    *3.) Dynamic Distortion SD9 scam https://www.thegearpage.net/board/i...tex-visits-andertons-uk.1992038/post-27483798

    4.) using RACKDOCTOR’s (LA Sound Design) work and advertising it as his own
    LA Sound design board on Vertex site. https://web.archive.org/web/20140105044932/http://vertexeffectsystems.com/
    *4b.) not a scam but notice the name? David Phillips known as RACKDOCTOR (not rigdoctor) has been a state side rig guru since the 90s. infact Mason didn’t know how to solder when RACKDOCTOR built the board.

    5.) Passing off a Paul Trombetta fuzz as the Vertex 109 Fuzz
    6.) Vertex Boost expression jack design lie: “out of the audio path” straight up lies to sell product.
    7.) Boss FV-500 volume pedal mod scam - similar to BBE but a bit more transparent (hard to not be because it’s Boss)
    8.) “Claimed to have EE from Berkeley“
    9.) “Berkeley d/c’d their EE program”
    10.) Bonamassa affair - Joe writes an open letter about Mason https://forum.jbonamassa.com/viewtopic.php?id=27168
    11.) “I modeled this pedal after a Dumble” (fake Dumble in video) ODS
    12.) “I modeled this pedal after a Dumble” (actually a Jack Orman circuit design) Steel String
    13.) Name-dropping/claiming artist endorsement where there is none
    14.) Demoing dangerous/stupid/useless amp mods on Youtube, showboating as the RIGDOCTOR (see 4b)

    just a jist.+  "



    oh wow. dude seems like a real jabroni,

    thanks guys for pointing that out.

    will have to look elsewhere for a steel string like pedal.
    Gladio Cornerstone or SC is the route Id go. 

    Zendrive is a great option and for awhile you could find some slightly tweaked versions from Lovepedal for reasonable.

    I believe Mike used to or still might use a Shin Music Dumbloid. 


  • BALLBOY
    BALLBOY Australia Posts: 1,035
    Finally got my first Tube amp a Blues Jr iv after 2 solid states & the sound quality is incredible compared too the solid states. Only issue I have is I can't turn the master up too loud as I have serious buzzing when going through the pedal board, straight into the amp is fine. My neighbour who plays in band says there maybe an earthing issue or the cables connecting the pedals. Has anyone had this problem & can give me some advice?
    Eastern Creek 95,Syd 1 98,Bris 2 98, Syd 1&2 03, Reading Fest 06, Bris 1 06, London 09, Hyde Park 10, Gold Coast BDO 14 Budapest 22 Krakow 22 Amsterdam 22 St Paul 1&2 23 Chicago 1&2 23 Chicago 1&2 24 New York 1 24 Philly 1&2 24 Boston 1&2 24 Gold Coast 24 Melbourne 1 24 Sydney 1&2 24
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,296
    What do you think of a company advertising a 100W speaker and then after several years of production switching the speaker to a 40W version without putting out any media release that they made the change or reasoning why?

    I was looking at a Mesa Boogie California Tweed and it originally shipped with a Jensen Blackbird 100W.  I almost bought one last week but was watching a recent video that only had a few views and the guy mentioned that Mesa started shipping the Cali Tweeds with a Jensen 40W blackbird late last year.

    I sent an email to my Sweetwater tech to verify the speaker make and model, but I've seen others in music forums verify that recent amps have the 40W.

    Now if Mesa has a good reason for the change, I would be more than happy the hear the reason why.  It just seems weird because in Mesa's promo video for the Cali Tweed, they specifically go over how important the speaker choice is to the amp and how they specifically chose the Jensen BB100W to design the amp around.  It is one of the key talking points in a promo video so if they are changing something so apparent, then what else has changed within the amp?

    Am I overthinking this? 
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    I’m sure there’s a disclaimerabout specs changing somewhere on their website. 

    Getting the speaker rating closer to the power output of the amp will let more of the speaker  personality to come through. I this case, I’d personally be happy with the change but could see being annoyed if I ordered the amp expecting a 100w speaker. Likely never be a issue for 99% of players. Pumping a 40w amp loud and long enough to damage a likely conservatively rated 40w speaker will have your head spinning long before your speakers blows. 
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,052
    personally i like lower wattage speakers like the celestion greenback. it is only 25 watts. it breaks up earlier and does not need to be pushed hard to break up. greenbacks are my favorite speaker. only took me 20 years of playing in bands to figure that out....
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,296
    Good advice.  I figured I might be overthinking things.  But figuring out amps takes lots of thinking.  I still think it is strange that they changed the speaker, scrubbed mention of the 100W version and stuck a different speaker in.  Maybe it is a supply chain issue, but the internet can only speculate.  Sounds like Mesa had to find a different transformer supplier as their main supplier went out of business.  I have yet to hear from my Sweetwater salesperson, but I think it is safe to assume the 40W version is standard now.

    Mesa appears to be in transition right now.  Gibson bought them last year. 
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • Kswheeler
    Kswheeler Philadelphia Posts: 84

    Just picked this relic bronco 
  • BO175983
    BO175983 Posts: 79
    Kswheeler said:

    Just picked this relic bronco 
    Love the vintage tweed amps… how does it sound
  • Kswheeler
    Kswheeler Philadelphia Posts: 84
    Thing kicks for a solid state you can also use it as a cabinet head too which is cool 
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    I’ve been playing my LP through a Fender DeVille at rehearsals, and it sounds phenomenal. 

    I’m looking into buying one for my practice space. Anybody have any experience with these? I’m thinking it might be a bit much for a bedroom, but I really love the way it sounds. 
    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • BALLBOY
    BALLBOY Australia Posts: 1,035
    dankind said:
    I’ve been playing my LP through a Fender DeVille at rehearsals, and it sounds phenomenal. 

    I’m looking into buying one for my practice space. Anybody have any experience with these? I’m thinking it might be a bit much for a bedroom, but I really love the way it sounds. 
    Blues Jr is not much different & only 15w but still with some kick, great amp
    Eastern Creek 95,Syd 1 98,Bris 2 98, Syd 1&2 03, Reading Fest 06, Bris 1 06, London 09, Hyde Park 10, Gold Coast BDO 14 Budapest 22 Krakow 22 Amsterdam 22 St Paul 1&2 23 Chicago 1&2 23 Chicago 1&2 24 New York 1 24 Philly 1&2 24 Boston 1&2 24 Gold Coast 24 Melbourne 1 24 Sydney 1&2 24
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,052
    i had a blues jr and did not love it. ended up trading it in towards one of the wine red princeton reverbs. i love that princeton so much.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    i had a blues jr and did not love it. ended up trading it in towards one of the wine red princeton reverbs. i love that princeton so much.

    I finally bit the bullet and bought (and just set up!) a '65 Princeton reissue.  Next to it (behind and to the left) is also a Bugera PS1 attenuator to keep my ears from exploding.  I wish the amp's speaker wire going from the amp to the Bugera were a bit longer so I could face the attenuator out.  It barely reaches as is.
    Everything seems to work fine but I'm almost thinking I put the cart before the horse.  Both of my my electric guitars have dual humbuckers and I'm thinking this amp would sound better with single coil pickups.  With what I have, the amp has more "boom" than I would like.  Maybe time to re-visit that desire for a tele.  I really wanted this to sound better with the guitars I have.  But maybe I just don't have it dialed in right yet.
    IMG

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,052
    brianlux said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    i had a blues jr and did not love it. ended up trading it in towards one of the wine red princeton reverbs. i love that princeton so much.

    I finally bit the bullet and bought (and just set up!) a '65 Princeton reissue.  Next to it (behind and to the left) is also a Bugera PS1 attenuator to keep my ears from exploding.  I wish the amp's speaker wire going from the amp to the Bugera were a bit longer so I could face the attenuator out.  It barely reaches as is.
    Everything seems to work fine but I'm almost thinking I put the cart before the horse.  Both of my my electric guitars have dual humbuckers and I'm thinking this amp would sound better with single coil pickups.  With what I have, the amp has more "boom" than I would like.  Maybe time to re-visit that desire for a tele.  I really wanted this to sound better with the guitars I have.  But maybe I just don't have it dialed in right yet.
    IMG

    i know we have been talking about this, but another idea besides using a single coil guitar would be to just remove the attenuator. attenuators have been known to knock off high end so the amp can sound a little dark or muddier than usual. to compensate for this, many attenuators have an option to boost treble and if you do that it can be kind of ice picky and harsh. this happens with my vintage marshall with a thd hot plate. take the treble boost off and it is too muddy, put it back in and it can be too bright depending on what guitar i use.

    i'd try a single coil guitar, and making sure you are running the amp on a cleaner setting. distortion and high amounts of reverb can sound pretty bad at times. 
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    edited September 2022
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    brianlux said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    i had a blues jr and did not love it. ended up trading it in towards one of the wine red princeton reverbs. i love that princeton so much.

    I finally bit the bullet and bought (and just set up!) a '65 Princeton reissue.  Next to it (behind and to the left) is also a Bugera PS1 attenuator to keep my ears from exploding.  I wish the amp's speaker wire going from the amp to the Bugera were a bit longer so I could face the attenuator out.  It barely reaches as is.
    Everything seems to work fine but I'm almost thinking I put the cart before the horse.  Both of my my electric guitars have dual humbuckers and I'm thinking this amp would sound better with single coil pickups.  With what I have, the amp has more "boom" than I would like.  Maybe time to re-visit that desire for a tele.  I really wanted this to sound better with the guitars I have.  But maybe I just don't have it dialed in right yet.
    IMG

    i know we have been talking about this, but another idea besides using a single coil guitar would be to just remove the attenuator. attenuators have been known to knock off high end so the amp can sound a little dark or muddier than usual. to compensate for this, many attenuators have an option to boost treble and if you do that it can be kind of ice picky and harsh. this happens with my vintage marshall with a thd hot plate. take the treble boost off and it is too muddy, put it back in and it can be too bright depending on what guitar i use.

    i'd try a single coil guitar, and making sure you are running the amp on a cleaner setting. distortion and high amounts of reverb can sound pretty bad at times. 

    More good advice, thanks man! 
    The attenuator is a plug in add on that bought separately and I'm thinking of taking your advice and doing without it.  It's easy to plug in and out but since the amp itself has not overdrive or gain channel, I'm thinking if I want to add any grit,  I'd do better adding pedals as you suggested elsewhere. 
    And yeah, I'm actually kind appreciating having the motivation to get a single coil guitar- probably a Tele.  I mean, hey, you can't have too many guitars, right? :lol:

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

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